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The AK-47 was first adopted in 1949 by the Soviet Union Red Army. It fires the 7.62x39mm M43 round.
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The M16 was first introduced into service in 1964 with the United States Air Force.
^ It was a miracle of God with the assistance of the Girandoni air rifle, that they were never directly attacked, a miracle that paid huge dividends for the United States".
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^ Whose trying to make the United States Secret Service look incompetent?
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^ As an organized force of 'constitutional activists,' the WTP Congress is organizing into 'ward republics' in every county, with a "Citizen Vigilance Center" in every State Capitol."
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It fires the high velocity 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge.
.An assault rifle is loosely defined as a selective fire rifle designed for combat that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.^ Futhermore select fire weapons are assault rifles, not any rifle in an AR15 configuration.
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^ "Assault rifles" have selective fire capabilty.
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^ An assault rifle is a select fire rifle firing an intermediate cartridge, of light weight.
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.Assault rifles are the standard infantry weapons in most modern armies.^ The very rifle Zumbo carries with him is more than likely deadlier at longer range than any of the so-called assault weapons he condemns.
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^ The "assault weapons" ban was a total misnomer(lie) on semi-automatic weapons, not one automatic fire rifle was on the list.
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^ Zumbo states that, "To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing."
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.Examples of assault rifles include the M16 rifle, AK family, G36, FN FNC, and the Steyr AUG.^ Examples of assault rifles include the M16 rifle and the AK-47.
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^ The SKS & AK style rifles are very reliable but one of the less acurate 'assault' style rifles - and even those are PLENTY acurate for hunting, as the above experience indicates.
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^ The commonly owned AR-15 and AK variants are semi-auto only and hence not "Assault Rifles".
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Definition

.The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally "storm rifle", as in "to storm a position").^ When people buy "assault rifles" (a term of the truly ignorant) they are NOT buying from Remington.
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^ One looks "black and scary" as the gun-grabbers would have the public believe, making it an "assault rifle," or "terrorist rifle" in your own words.
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^ "Yeah, I own guns, I have some old lever actions, a revolver....OH, and a few 'assault rifles' (then a good laugh as you mock the term) .
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.The name was coined by Adolf Hitler[1] to describe the Maschinenpistole 44, subsequently re-christened Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally considered the first true assault rifle that served to popularize the concept.^ Would you consider it an assault rifle?
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^ First it's so-called assault rifles.
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^ Its FUN! My 416 Rigby and 470 Nitro Express will never be considered assault rifles; but they do not border on "Fun" to shoot either.
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The translation assault rifle gradually became the common term for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the StG 44. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4]
.Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles despite frequently being considered as such.^ Technically, they are not assault rifles as ALL assault rifles are machine guns.
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^ Would you consider it an assault rifle?
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^ An AR-15 is technically an assault rifle...
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.For example, semi-automatic-only rifles that share designs with assault rifles such as the AR-15 (which the M16 rifle is based on) are not assault rifles, as they are not capable of switching to automatic fire and thus not selective fire.^ Semi-automatic rifles, including commercial versions of the AR-15, and "automatic" rifles limited to firing "single shots" are not assault rifles as they are not selective fire.
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^ I have an AR-15 semi automatic rifle and I have a 5 round magazine to use with it for hunting.
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^ An assault weapon is a rifle that is capable of selective fire, I.E. semi and full auto or burst.
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.Belt-fed weapons (such as the M249 SAW) or rifles with fixed magazines are likewise not assault rifles because they do not have detachable box magazines.^ It is apparent that many Indians, if they had seen such an assault rifle in action, would have been anxious to get aboard the expedition boats to see if the group had a supply of these amazing guns.
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^ Their first step was to locate a Girandoni air rifle that they could use to precisely guide their work, but no such specimen was immediately evident in America.
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^ Just a technical point, unless the weapon's selector switch allows for full automatic, it's not an assault rifle, just a semi-automatic wannabe that looks scary.
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.However, in this case, the M249 SAW has the ability for both being fed by belt or detachable box magazine.^ They both shoot the same round, they are both semi-automatic, they both have detachable magazines.
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^ (F) A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has— ‘(i) a second pistol grip; ‘‘(ii) a threaded barrel; ‘‘(iii) a barrel shroud; or ‘‘(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at a location outside of the pistol grip.
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.The term "assault rifle" is often more loosely used for commercial or political reasons to include other types of arms, particularly arms that fall under a strict definition of the battle rifle, or semi-automatic variant of military rifles such as AR-15s.^ AR-15: not an assault rifle.
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^ That killing had more impact than any killings by lunatics armed with "assault" rifles.
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^ By your definition of the rifles we used, at least.
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.The US Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges."^ Rifles - China Army armage [ Assault Rifles ] .
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^ Cowan also made one firing museum copy specimen of this Short Rifle for Dr. Mrs.
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^ Just a technical point, unless the weapon's selector switch allows for full automatic, it's not an assault rifle, just a semi-automatic wannabe that looks scary.
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.In Russia term "assault rifle" ("Avtomat") is defined in state standard GOST 28653-90 (ГОСТ 28653-90 «Оружие стрелковое.^ Can you define "Assault Rifle" for me?
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^ Zumbo states that, "To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing."
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^ When people buy "assault rifles" (a term of the truly ignorant) they are NOT buying from Remington.
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Термины и определения):
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.32. Rifle — rifled small arm, designed to hold and control when shooting with two hands from the shoulder.^ Originally, it was planned to have one such wheeled air machine for each five air rifles, plus the little hand pumps, but only two of the wheeled pumps actually were produced [9] .
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^ Am I a worse companion in the woods than the guy that only shoots two rounds a year through his wood-stocked deer rifle?
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^ The "arms" referred to in the 2nd amendment generally designated flintlock muskets, pistols with poor aim and really slow loading rifles.
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35. Carbine — lightweight rifle with a shortened barrel.
.36. Assault rifle — automatic carbine.^ The "assault weapons" ban was a total misnomer(lie) on semi-automatic weapons, not one automatic fire rifle was on the list.
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^ FYI, the AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle and is NOT an "assault rifle", a name grafted on these weapons by the gun grabbing press.
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^ Awhile back M-1 Carbines and M-14's were considered assault rifles, at one point an M-1 Garand was an assault rifle.
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.37. Submachinegun — Assault rifle, designed to fire pistol cartridge.^ "Assault rifles" have selective fire capabilty.
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^ An assault rifle is a select fire rifle firing an intermediate cartridge, of light weight.
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^ The "assault weapons" ban was a total misnomer(lie) on semi-automatic weapons, not one automatic fire rifle was on the list.
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Assault rifles vs. Assault weapons

.The term assault weapon is a political and legal term used to describe a variety of semi-automatic firearms that have certain features generally associated with military assault rifles.^ They are semi-automatic rifles.
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^ Semi auto only rifles are NOT Assault Weapons.
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^ After all no hunters use semi automatic weapons.
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.The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired on September 13, 2004, codified the definition of an assault weapon.^ According to Wilipedia, the definition of an Assault weapon is: .
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^ The "assault weapons" ban was a total misnomer(lie) on semi-automatic weapons, not one automatic fire rifle was on the list.
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^ Jim, call Senator McCarthy, and jump on her bandwagon to renew & make permanent the Clinton Assault Weapons ban!
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It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine containing more than 10 rounds, and two or more of the following:
.The assault weapons ban did not restrict weapons capable of fully automatic fire, such as assault rifles and machine guns, which have been continuously and heavily regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed.^ Technically, they are not assault rifles as ALL assault rifles are machine guns.
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^ The "assault weapons" ban was a total misnomer(lie) on semi-automatic weapons, not one automatic fire rifle was on the list.
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^ I hope you people know that machine guns have been banned and/or heavily regulated since 1935!
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.Subsequent laws such as the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 also affected the importation and civilian ownership of fully automatic firearms, the latter fully prohibiting sales of newly-manufactured machine guns to non-law enforcement or SOT (special occupational taxpayer) dealers.^ I then moved to civilian law enforcement.
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^ But to lump owners of such firearms in with terrorists?
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^ I am a proud Law Enforcement Officer, gun owner, and shooter.
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History

The changing face of infantry combat

From ancient times, light infantry had fought in dispersed formations, while heavy infantry had fought in tightly packed formations. This continued as the sling and spear were replaced by musket and bayonet. .Bright colored uniforms (German: Blue, Russian: Green; British: Red, French: White) became a standard for unit cohesion in the midst of clouds of black powder smoke.^ I don't care if it's black or white or red all over.
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^ Or, I can color anodize the receivers blue, red, green, teal, or about any other choice, and install furniture that is painted in any color of the rainbow; this rifle will look like a fair portion of the rifles used for benchrest, position, and silhouette shooting; this rifle will also look like a "sporting rifle".
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^ In Quill and Beadwork of the Western Sioux , Carrie Lyford notes that red, yellow, and black were the only natural dye colors used by the Sioux on quillwork before the advent of the white man.
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.Muskets were inaccurate at distances greater than 50 to 100 meters and were slow to reload, which lead to formation-style war as multiple ranks maximized firepower and guaranteed that at least part of the unit would be ready to fire at all times.^ And it would leave all surfaces of the reservoir with at least traces of the brazing metal!
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^ In addition, there would be a specially trained journeyman gunsmith for each 100 airguns and a large supply of replacement seals, air reservoirs, mainsprings and other parts.
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^ All of these machine run Linux 100% of the time and for every single one of these machines I had to pay for a Microsoft Windows license that was never used.

Tight formations also aided officers in controlling their men during combat.
.The adaptation of rifled muskets for military use in the mid-19th century increased range and power of guns and made battle from dense formations an extremely bloody affair, as witnessed by the high level of casualties in the American Civil War.^ Fred Baer (1973) suggested that t he power could be in the .38 Special area of modern firearms, or even into the range of the .45 ACP cartridge, famous in pistols and submachine guns favored by police, gangsters, and the military for several wars of the 20th century.
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^ The only specimen of a Staudenmayer Girandoni-system air rifle known to have been in America prior to the mid-20th century is shown in Wolff (1958).
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^ Fortunately, I had the advantage of having read Baker and Curries first study of the Girandoni military air rifle before disassembling the gun.
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.Skirmisher tactics were given greater emphasis as gunpowder weapons increased in reliability, accuracy, and rate of fire.^ The ever greater call for higher sustainable rates of fire lead to the bolt action single shot and later bolt action repeaters.
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.Cavalry adapted by dismounting, and using skirmisher tactics with breechloading rifles (which could be reloaded from a prone position, reducing vulnerability to enemy fire).^ Their first step was to locate a Girandoni air rifle that they could use to precisely guide their work, but no such specimen was immediately evident in America.
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^ Thus this gun could fire most unexpectedly from the half-notch position.
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^ Thus a shooter, familiar only with flintlocks, could cause just two clicks on the airgun and think that he is in the full cock position and ready to fire.
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.After the American Civil War, further developments such as the adaptation of magazine-fed rifles, rapid-fire machine guns and high explosive shells for the artillery, spelled the end of the dense infantry formation during World War I.^ Originally, it was planned to have one such wheeled air machine for each five air rifles, plus the little hand pumps, but only two of the wheeled pumps actually were produced [9] .
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^ I would like a high end, small form factor machine like the Dell Studio XPS 13 .

^ Officials at the National Rifle Association and the U.S. Army War College have indicated that they feel that Lewis' airgun was the most important individual gun in American history.
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.What this meant in practice was that infantry units no longer engaged each other at long range in open fields; the high power of relatively unwieldy bolt-action rifles of the day (which had been tripled by the adaptation of smokeless powder, along with a corresponding increase in recoil and report) was no longer suited to the close-range engagement of modern warfare.^ Bolt Action rifles are "Terrorist" rifles.
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^ Shotguns at close range are even more destructive than bolt action rifles.
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^ I will no longer support Outdoor Life as long as they provide you a tool to convey your disparaging remarks and I know plenty others feel the same way.
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.Military leaders and arms manufacturers thus began grasping for a new type of weapon for this new era.^ No sir the only type of rifle you have a right to own is a weapon suitable to arm a well regulated militia.
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^ Force manufacturers to build only military style arms that can be used in the defense of life and liberty.
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^ So I guess our Military uses terroist weapons so we must have a terrorist armed forces?
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1900s–1930s: Pre-Sturmgewehr Light automatic rifles

These automatic firearms generally used pre-existing rifle cartridges, with kinetic energies between 1960–5,000 J (2,200–3,700-foot-pounds), velocities of 660–900 m/s (1,445–2,950 ft/s) and bullets of 9 to 13 g (139–200 grains).
Amerigo Cei-Rigotti developed a rifle with essentially all the characteristics of an assault rifle between 1890-1900.. It was tested but did not see service. .The first in-service precursor of the assault rifle was the Russian Fedorov Avtomat issued for the first time in 1915 and chambered for the Japanese 6.5x50mm Arisaka rifle cartridge.^ First it's so-called assault rifles.
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^ Our service men and wopmon are using those M-16 and M-4 Terrorist rifle's to kill TERRORISTS. I do't think you can apologize enough for this at this time.
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^ Even some others that have responded have called their semiauto an assault rifle and an M1A would not be considered an assault rifle because it's cartridge does not follow the criteria for the definition of an assault rifle.
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.Like the 6.5x52mm Mannlicher-Carcano round used in the Cei-Rigotti, this was a relatively low-powered rifle cartridge already in production.^ I have an AR-15 semi automatic rifle and I have a 5 round magazine to use with it for hunting.
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^ It's also a poor rifle to use to defend my home and a bad choice for high power shooting matches.
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^ People like Jim Zumbo must be squelched in their tracks before they come knocking on our doors to take even the "High Powered - Long Range -Sniper Rifle" he uses.
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.The 1,960 J bullet energy of the Arisaka round from the short barrel of the Avtomat was in fact less than the 2,010 J bullet energy of the AK-47.^ Rifles that shoot more potent rounds than an AK-47.
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^ I also hunt with an AR-15, AK-47 and even a russian SKS. I probably shoot more in 1 year than you have in the last 20 years.
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^ If a 5 round mag is installed in a semi auto AK or AR type rifle it is no more lethal than any other semi auto rifle but is less destructive than a multi shot shotgun.
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The Fedorov Avtomat, though a service rifle, was only used in small numbers. .It was however highly favored by Russian and Soviet troops and saw service until World War II. Both these rifles had selective fire capability.^ "Assault rifles" have selective fire capabilty.
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^ To be an assault rifle you have to have Selective Fire capabilities.
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^ A rifle capable of automatic fire.
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.During World War I the French Chauchat was introduced, a light machine gun and a precursor to the modern assault rifle.^ Three of the museum copy guns were made exactly as were the original guns, except for rifled barrels of modern steel.
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^ AZ Assault Rifle-Wielding Man And Gun-Toter In NH Belong To Same Right-Wing Group .
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It was produced in large numbers (250,000). .Like the later assault rifle it was capable of both single and automatic fire, and was loaded with a magazine and also featured a pistol grip.^ An assault rifle, by definition, is a carbine chambered in an intermediate calibre that is capable of automatic fire.
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^ "Assault rifles" have selective fire capabilty.
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^ The original "assault rifle" was a single shot.
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.Compared to other light machine guns of the time the Chauchat was fairly light at the weight of 9 kg but it was still too cumbersome for closer quarters and had recoil that was too heavy to control when firing fully automatic due to the use of full powered rifle rounds like original French chambering of the 8 mm Lebel (8x50mmR) or variants produced later for US forces in .30-06 Springfield and other international customers in 7.92 mm and 7.65 mm rifle calibers.^ It carries an intermediate, non full powered rifle round.
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^ An assault rifle is a select fire rifle firing an intermediate cartridge, of light weight.
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^ An assault rifle is a rifle manufactured for military use, capable of 3-round bursts and/or fully automatic fire.
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.Despite some serious flaws it was so important to infantry combat that desperate German troops who had no comparable weapon of their own started using captured Chauchats.^ The civilian who owns the semi version of our military's weapon (a "terrorist" rifle to you) or the guy who goes on an all-expense paid canned hunt to shoot animals he has no intention of consuming?
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^ I will not go into your use of "terrorist weapons" because i believe you have made your own ignorance clear!!!
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^ You just alientated hundreds of thousands of people who own and use AR-15 style rifles.
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[6] .While it was chambered for the full-size caliber and therefore did not use an intermediate cartridge, it was an intermediate weapon between submachine guns and heavier machine guns such as the Lewis Gun.^ And while we are at it, what's with all this use of military cartridges and calibers?
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^ In US V Miller the Supreme Court found that because there was no evidence that such weapons could be or are part of the arms suitable for military use that the 2nd Amendment did not protect them.
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^ Does that mean you consider accurate scoped bolt actions chambered for high power centerfire cartridges "sniper weapons"?
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Ribeyrolle 1918 automatic carbine
.The Ribeyrolle 1918 may be the first weapon fitting the definition of an assault rifle (including select fire and portability) to use a purpose-designed intermediate round.^ An assault weapon is a rifle that is capable of selective fire, I.E. semi and full auto or burst.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ To be an assault rifle you have to have Selective Fire capabilities.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An assault rifle, by definition, is a carbine chambered in an intermediate calibre that is capable of automatic fire.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

The cartridge was based on the .351 Winchester Self-Loading case necked down to accept a 8 mm Lebel bullet. It was first introduced to the Army Technical Service on July 6, 1918. Its official designation was Carabine Mitrailleuse (English: machine carbine; German: Maschinenkarabiner). .It was finally rejected in 1921 because it was not accurate enough at distances beyond 400 meters.^ Zumbo might think I am "up to no good" because I am able to shoot long distances accurately with a suppressed "assault" rifle.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Similar weapons were the Danish Weibel M/1932 and Greek EPK light machine guns chambered in experimental rounds considered similar to what would become the 7.92x33mm Kurz within the following decade.^ Does that mean you consider accurate scoped bolt actions chambered for high power centerfire cartridges "sniper weapons"?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Even some others that have responded have called their semiauto an assault rifle and an M1A would not be considered an assault rifle because it's cartridge does not follow the criteria for the definition of an assault rifle.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The first fielded machine gun was carried by Lewis and Clarke, an Italian made automatic capable of firing 22 rounds in 20 seconds.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.The American M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) copied the Chauchat concept in a more reliable design but was not introduced or used in any significant numbers before the end of the First World War.^ Many of my friends and colleagues have used semi-automatic, magazine fed rifles during the discharge of their official duties as police officers and soldiers.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Like many people have previously stated, these "terrorist" rifles are functionally no different than many "sporting" semi-automatic firearms such as the Remington 7400 or Browning BAR. .
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ My revolvers are .45 Colt and .45 ACP, the latter using half moon clips as fielded during the first world war because there was a shortage of 1911s.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Later developments added heavier barrels and bipods that made it more like today's light machine gun or squad automatic weapon, though it did help establish the doctrine of use for light selective fire rifles.^ Futhermore select fire weapons are assault rifles, not any rifle in an AR15 configuration.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ "Assault rifles" have selective fire capabilty.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An assault rifle is a select fire rifle firing an intermediate cartridge, of light weight.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.These versions of the BAR were produced in large numbers, widely adopted, and served well into the 1960s with the U.S. military and other nations.^ I am upholding our long and proud heritage of owning and competing with military firearms in this nation, and I'm damn proud to do it as well.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The branch to do this will be merged soon, its just waiting on some sysadmin love to get these new versions into its merge-test environment.

^ In both these nations, as in other mature societies, it would never occur to anyone that the ubiquitous presence of "high-powered military-style assault weapons" would constitute a threat to public safety.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

EPK Machine gun (1939)
.During World War I, submachine guns also entered service, such as the Villar Perosa, the Beretta Model 1918 and the MP18.^ It is attitudes like yours that are not needed in the gun world, much less published in a magazine such as this one.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.These weapons shared many elements with assault rifles, but they fired pistol cartridges such as the 9x19 mm Parabellum.^ They were the 'assault weapons' of their day.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I own many rifles, shotguns, and pistols.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ At what point do they become assault rifles?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.The developers of the Thompson submachine gun (also developed during the 1910s) originally intended to use rifle-powered rounds.^ The bolt rifle was developed for use by the military.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ After being dropped from the Austrian Army arsenal in 1799, the original Girandoni air rifles became scattered in Europe as odd collectors' items among gun enthusiasts.
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^ I have an AR-15 semi automatic rifle and I have a 5 round magazine to use with it for hunting.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

However, a mechanical system that could handle their power was not available and the .45 ACP cartridge was chosen instead. .These firearms are considered part of the submachine gun class, but were an important step in the development of assault rifles.^ Would you consider it an assault rifle?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ You think your cruddy bolt gun will safe from the gun grabbers, but after they ban all the so-called "assault rifles", they will come after yours.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Technically, they are not assault rifles as ALL assault rifles are machine guns.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

1930s: Automatic intermediate weapons

M1 carbine (U.S.). The later M2 and M3 variants were capable of fully automatic fire.
.Continuing evolution of the intermediate-caliber automatic rifle was primarily driven by ammunition.^ An assault rifle, by definition, is a carbine chambered in an intermediate calibre that is capable of automatic fire.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ This company makes ammunition in calibers that fit those evil assault rifles that you badmouth.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An assault rifle is a selective fire rifle or carbine firing ammunition with muzzle energies intermediate between those typical of pistol and battle rifle ammunition…” .
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Handgun ammunition used by submachine guns was only effective at shorter ranges.^ As for Remington -- since their name and ads border this page, I'll use my meager economic muscle to buy only other brands of ammunition (I find Remington some of the dirtiest handgun ammo on the planet anyway).
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ A weapon that can be used to hunt with is not the only distinction or qualification between a gun or a "Terrorists Weapon".
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Granted they may not be my choice of firearm to use but if that is the only gun they own and they feel comfortable with it so be it.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Conversely, full-sized military rifle calibers were uncomfortable to fire repeatedly, were large and lead to unwieldy and heavy rifles, and were difficult to control during fully automatic or rapid fire because of significant recoil.^ Because they resemble military rifles?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ A rifle capable of automatic fire.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ True assault rifles are capable of being fired fully automatic.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

The cost of design and manufacture of full-size rifles ammunition was also higher. .One attempt to combine an intermediate cartridge with an automatic rifle by the Italian arms company Beretta resulted in the MAB 38 (Moschetto Automatico Beretta 1938).^ The "assault weapons" ban was a total misnomer(lie) on semi-automatic weapons, not one automatic fire rifle was on the list.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I'm about to turn 27 years old, and have built to Romanian AK47 rifles, and one Stag Arms AR15.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An assault rifle, by definition, is a carbine chambered in an intermediate calibre that is capable of automatic fire.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.The MAB 38 used a Fiocchi 9M38 cartridge, a higher-powered version of the 9x19mm Parabellum pistol cartridge, which could provide longer effective range up to 200 m.^ Fred Baer (1973) suggested that t he power could be in the .38 Special area of modern firearms, or even into the range of the .45 ACP cartridge, famous in pistols and submachine guns favored by police, gangsters, and the military for several wars of the 20th century.
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^ Can't you sneak up on them a little closer and use a less dangerous cartridge?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.In 1942, the United States introduced the M1 carbine, which was an intermediate power weapon chambered for the .30 Carbine cartridge.^ Does that mean you consider accurate scoped bolt actions chambered for high power centerfire cartridges "sniper weapons"?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An assault rifle, by definition, is a carbine chambered in an intermediate calibre that is capable of automatic fire.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ What if someone decided to use an O3, or an M1, or a 30 caliber carbine, or a semi auto shotgun, or on and on and on.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.While select-fire capability was initially planned for the M1 carbine, this was dropped from the initial version.^ Semi-automatic rifles, including commercial versions of the AR-15, and "automatic" rifles limited to firing "single shots" are not assault rifles as they are not selective fire.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An assault weapon is a rifle that is capable of selective fire, I.E. semi and full auto or burst.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ A true ASSAULT RIFLE is a weapon capable of select fire..ie, safe, semi, full/burst.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Later in the war, selective fire variants were made (M2 and M3).^ Having already made it through the expedition, the terrible destructions in America of the War of 1812, and 41 years past the expedition, it would be quite unlikely that it was destroyed later.
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.The weapon had greater range and accuracy than submachine guns, but was not as powerful as full-size automatic rifles such as the M1918 BAR.^ There are more than enough restrictions on illegal weapons such as "Full Automatic".
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The very rifle Zumbo carries with him is more than likely deadlier at longer range than any of the so-called assault weapons he condemns.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The "assault weapons" ban was a total misnomer(lie) on semi-automatic weapons, not one automatic fire rifle was on the list.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.The longer barrel provided the carbine with a higher muzzle velocity than pistols and submachine guns chambered for the same .30-caliber round.^ I even have a few 30 round magazines, (that's clips for you Fudds), somewhere in the bottom of my gun vault.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ They are both chambered for the same cartridge and neither capable of a higher rate of fire than the other.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Disagreeing on a round or caliber is normal in the gun world, but to take a certain kind of gun and lump all owners of it as "terrorists"?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Originally the carbine was envisioned as an inexpensive lightweight weapon for issue to rear-echelon and support troops (truckers, tankers, cooks, etc.) in place of the more expensive M1911 pistol or M1 Garand rifle. The M1 series was soon found suitable for close quarter battle engagements, a concept that would be re-applied later. .The M1 carbine series would remain in service with the U.S. military primary forces until supplemented and finally replaced by the M16 rifle in the 1960s; it continued to be used in limited roles, particularly by the U.S. Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, and many Training Commands in the various branches of the U.S. armed forces well into the 1980s.^ Especially considering the folks making the cannon would be, well, the bellmakers, as they were the fellows with the experience and facilities for casting that much iron into that kind of shape.
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^ This would be particularly useful in emergencies as a great example.

^ In terms of interacting with government directly, using open API’s would lower the cost of business transactions and ultimately service delivery for government as well as potentially making goverment better at partnering with others.

The 1930s was also the beginning of the important German Maschinenkarabiner program of arms development that resulted in the prototype Maschinenkarabiner M35 that was however not adopted for service.[7]

1940s–early 1950s: Maschinenkarabiner, Sturmgewehr & AK-47

Sturmgewehr 44 (Germany). Its development began in earnest with the Maschinenkarabiner project
.Some of these automatic firearms used pre-existing rounds; others used new intermediate cartridges.^ It is how a firearm or other item is used.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ As for me, I plan to distance myself from Remington firearms for some time to come, and I'll encourage others likewise.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Although, there were some Minutemen who used them in the 1700's to assault Tyranny and give you the RIGHT to own firearms; bolt actions or otherwise.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Kinetic energy ranged between 1,400–2,100 J (1,033–1,550-foot-pounds), muzzle velocities of 600–800m/s (1,970–2,625 ft/s) and bullets of 7–9g (108–139 grains).
.Germany, under the Versailles Treaty was limited to a professional army of long service soldiers numbering only 100,000 men and forbade tanks or military aircraft.^ If you can afford a $5,000 hand made tool and I can only afford a $500 tool, what does it matter as long as they both get the job done correctly?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ As far as ARs, most men in their 20s-40s first exposure to firearms was in military service.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ You say that AR-15's are terrorist rifles so then i guess you are calling US Soldiers terrorists as thay are the only military in the world that uses the AR-15 platform (in the military this would be the M-16).
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.This encouraged an approach that emphasized high quality, and reduced emphasis on low cost.^ To meet that interest, and hopefully to recover a small part of the five figure commission costs, we have arranged to have a very limited number of very high quality copies made.
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.Infantry tactics became based on teams of General Purpose Machine Guns (GPMG) supporting and supported by a section of infantry.^ I wondered how they got to that number and what that generally means to the amount of support of H.264 vs Ogg Theora on the HTML5-based Web.

.GPMG had high rates of fire to permit small numbers of men to fire at long range to defend a wide front.^ After that, it'll most likely be rifles, with their high-power scopes, powerful ammunition, and ability for snipers to inflict death at incredibly long ranges.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ So, does that make my Sharps Rifle a long range terrorist weapon JAKE. It still fires a freaking bullet you idiot.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Enemy soldiers, briefly exposed, would be engaged with a high rate burst of fire to cause casualties before they could take cover.^ As far as being a "terrorist's weapon", as a soldier I am amazed at your ignorance and would not piss on you if you were on fire.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ They are both chambered for the same cartridge and neither capable of a higher rate of fire than the other.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ They criticize my choice in rifles, and bad mouth me before blasting away with their high powered "mega magnum whitetail waster this and that."
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Close range assaults would be conducted by units with submachine guns, for greater mobility, and higher rates of fire.^ Another quick check by yourself, would teach you that an assault weapon is a select fire weapon.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ They are both chambered for the same cartridge and neither capable of a higher rate of fire than the other.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ BTW, I have rifles, and pistols, and shot guns, but nothing that antigun folk like Sarah Brady or Jim Zumbo would call an "assault weapon".
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

This tactical approach was a refinement of the "Hutier" tactics used by Germany in the last year of WWI.
.Germany, like other countries, had observed and studied the emerging demand of infantry rifles evolving since World War I, and their factories made a variety of non-standard cartridges, therefore having less incentive to retain their existing calibers.^ Nothing like them appears on any other known Girandoni system air rifle.
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^ I find it utterly incomprehensible that such a statement such as this could be possibly made when it is more than blatantly obvious that .223/5.56 comes in a much wider variety of loadings than just about any other cartridge.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ You remember, the rifle that lost 2 world wars in the last century.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

The 7.92x30 mm (Kurz) cartridge was an example of these experiments; in 1941, it was improved to 7.92x33mm Kurz Infanterie Kurz Patrone ("Infantry Short Cartridge"). In 1942, it was again improved as Maschinenkarabiner Patrone S, and in 1943, Pistolen Patrone 43mE; then, finally, Infanterie Kurz Patrone 43. .The similarity in size between the 7.92x33mm German cartridge and the 7.62x33mm developed for the M1 Carbine is a curious coincidence, but was ultimately nothing more than independent yet similar solutions to the same problem.^ You sir are nothing more than a "shill" for the bolt action community.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Anything more than that is approaching a cache similar to what terrorists like to hide around the world.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I found your thoughts to be nothing more than fuel for the Anti-Gunners and ignorant.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.The 7.92x33mm round used the same cartridge case head as the standard 7.92x57mm Mauser and the bullet was made from the same diameter rod.^ They may not use the same operating system, but they are identical in that they fire only one round per pull of the trigger.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Oh, while I was in there, I permanently attached the 30-30 upper I had specially made so that I could be a hunter using a hunting round.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I know MANY hunters who use AR's for hunting and what is the difference between an AR that uses a 223 round or a bolt action rifle that uses that same round?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

In 1942, Walther presented the Maschinenkarabiner ("automatic carbine," abbr. MKb), named MKb42(W). .In the same year, Haenel presented the MKb42(H), designed by Hugo Schmeisser as a result of this program.^ Sure it took years and in some cases decades but the end result is just the same.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An "assault" rifles, just like your vaunted "hunting" rifles are tools, designed to provide the user with a means to garner the same results.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Rheinmetall-Borsig (some said Krieghoff) presented its FG42 (Fallschirmjäger Gewehr 42, sponsored by Hermann Göring) though this was in a different role, and using a heavy 7.92x57mm Mauser cartridge, which was not an intermediate round.^ It may smooth some ruffled feathers but is it an apology for what he said, and about to get his hand slapped and sponsors removed apology, or an I can't stand up for what I already said apology?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I know MANY hunters who use AR's for hunting and what is the difference between an AR that uses a 223 round or a bolt action rifle that uses that same round?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Jim, How can a man on the forefront of hunters rights be so ignorant as to condemn some for the tool that they use, just because it is different then what you prefer?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Wartime tests in Russia indicated the MKb42(H) performed better than the other two.^ We use them because they do what we want to do and they do it better than many other types of rifles.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ NOT once EVER did it perform any better then any other rifle chambers in .223 Caliber.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ You apparently feel that some guns are better or more justified than others.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Schmeisser developed it first as the MP43, then MP43/1, and finally as the MP44/Sturmgewehr 44 (abbreviated StG44, or sometimes Stg 44). It immediately entered large scale production. .More than 5,000 units had been produced by February 1944, and 55,000 by the following November.^ We support the industry far more than the guys who buy a box of .270 a year and end up with half of it left over for the following year.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ True, the rifle has been used in more conflicts around the world than any other small arm, but this is due to the rifle's simple design, durability and sheer number produced.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Following the end of the war in 1947, Mikhail Kalashnikov developed the AK-47, inspired by the concept and layout of the German StG44, but is quite different mechanically.^ Let me say I also own the Ak-47 that I target shoot with quite often.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.It fired the 7.62x39mm cartridge, which had been developed as model 43 for use in their SKS carbines that were developed by Simonov in 1945 and subsequently adopted as the SKS-45 .^ Perhaps, you should be using only rocks and spears because all fire arms were originally developed for the miltary.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Further more there are many people who successfully I might add use the 7.62x39mm cartridge in AK style rifles and SKS carbines to take everything from deer to varmints.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ People use AR-15s and AKs and SKS carbines, because they're available, work well, and do what they want them to do, for a price that they can afford.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.The round was similar to the StG44's in that the bullet was an intermediate round of the same caliber as the larger full-size Russian rifle ammunition.^ It carries an intermediate, non full powered rifle round.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ This company makes ammunition in calibers that fit those evil assault rifles that you badmouth.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Perhaps one day someone will decide all rounds over a particular caliber size or weight in grains is too large or too heavy for civilains to own.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Though it further supports claims that Kalashnikov closely followed his German counterpart, Russian historians point out that Hugo Schmeisser arrived to Izhevsk in late 1947, while Kalashnikov had relocated development of his rifle to the same premises only as late as 1948 (the development itself began in 1943).^ Any airgun historian or student would immediately realize that this description could only apply to a Girandoni system repeating air rifle.
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^ As a consequence of his actions and your tacit support of them, not only will I not peruse Outdoor Life in the future, I will actively encourage family, friends, and associates to do the same.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I will also point out that many terrorists use bolt action rifles with scopes as “tack drivers”.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Still, Schmeisser greatly helped Soviet gunsmiths to master the cold stamping technology, which was extensively used in the AK design (this especially relates to the later stamped receiver variant)[8].^ The long slim pump, designed almost without dead space, would be especially useful in topping off high pressure in partially expended cylinders.
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.Mauser had developed several prototype Sturmgewehr 45 assault rifles, first with the Gerät 06 (Device 6) using a roller-delayed blowback mechanism originally adapted from the roller-locked recoil operation of the MG42 machine gun but with a fixed barrel and gas system.^ Technically, they are not assault rifles as ALL assault rifles are machine guns.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The original "assault rifle" was a single shot.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ First it's so-called assault rifles.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.It was realized that with careful attention to the mechanical ratios, the gas system could be omitted.^ Any airgun historian or student would immediately realize that this description could only apply to a Girandoni system repeating air rifle.
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The resultant weapon, the Gerät 06(H) was supposedly slated for adoption by the Wehrmacht as the StG45.
CEAM Modèle 1950, a French StG45 derivative in .30 US Carbine
The German technicians involved in developing the Sturmgewehr 45 continued their research in France at CEAM. .The StG45 mechanism was modified by Ludwig Vorgrimler and Theodor Löffler at the Mulhouse facility between 1946 and 1949. Three versions were made, chambered in .30 Carbine, 7.92x33mm Kurz as well as the 7.65x35mm cartridge developed by Cartoucherie de Valence and adopted in 1948. A 7.5x38mm cartridge using a partial aluminium bullet was abandoned in 1947. Engaged in the Indochina war and being the second NATO contributor, France canceled the adoption of these new weapons.^ Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these bullets.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I have a desire to be as proficient as possible with these weapons, because someday I may darn well need them.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ These "military" weapons are the basis of the second amendment, not the sole called "sporting" weapons.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Vorgrimler moved to Spain and began production of CETME Modelo A,B and C precursors of Heckler & Koch's G3 battle rifle and MP5 submachine gun

Late 1950s–1960s: Lighter rifles & smaller bullets

Many of these automatic firearms used intermediate cartridges with much lighter bullets and smaller calibers, but fired at very high velocity; kinetic energy ranged between 1300–1800J (960–1,330-foot-pounds), velocities of 900–1050m/s (2,950–3,450 ft/s), and bullets of 3–4g (46–62 grains).
The M16 had its trial by fire with the USAF in Vietnam in the early 60s; by 1967 the M16A1 became the Army's standard service rifle
.Following the end of World War II, the U.S. Army conducted a number of studies of what happened in the war and how it was actually fought.^ Remember how much damage the bolt action weapon can do and did in the world wars?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Several things were learned which applied directly to personal weapon design. .Perhaps most important, research found that most combat casualties caused by small-arms fire took place at short range.^ Perhaps the most likely is the most casual - he saw it fired many, many times , an astonishing number of times, but not even to the end of a magazine load.
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^ He then found the cause and in some measure prevented the airs escaping, and then she fired seven times; but when in perfect order she fires 22 times in a minute.
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^ This donation, and the donors, of what the leading Army arms curators announced is the Most Important Individual Gun in American History (any gun, not just airgun!
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So the long range and accuracy of the standard rifle was, in a real sense, wasted. Second, the research found that aiming was not a major factor in causing casualties. .Instead, the number one predictor of casualties was the total number of bullets fired.^ The "assault weapons" ban was a total misnomer(lie) on semi-automatic weapons, not one automatic fire rifle was on the list.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

[9] Third, psychological studies found that many riflemen (as much as 2/3) never fired their weapons at the enemy. .By contrast, those soldiers equipped with rapid-fire weapons (submachine guns and the early assault rifles) were far more likely to actually use their weapons in battle.^ One of the big contributing factos to the backlash against the 'assault weapons ban' is that it did nothing whatsoever to actually address assault weapons.
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^ After moving a ball into firing position, the gun is cocked by pulling back on a hammer-like cocking lever.
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^ This is strong evidence that Lewis' airgun was one of the small number of military rifles (reportedly up to 200 guns, but probably a far lower actual number) known to have been slipped to private buyers by Girandoni before his death in 1799.
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[10] .This combination of factors led to the conclusion that a fairly short-range weapon capable of rapid fire would be the most effective general purpose weapon for infantry.^ Another quick check by yourself, would teach you that an assault weapon is a select fire weapon.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ As far as being a "terrorist's weapon", as a soldier I am amazed at your ignorance and would not piss on you if you were on fire.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The round would be terrible for that, it is short ranged and is not very flat shooting.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.While these studies were being digested, the United States insisted on introducing their own 7.62x51mm full-power cartridge as the standard for NATO armies.^ A people can never be deprived of their liberties, while they retain in their own hands, a power sufficient to any other power in the state."
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Do you notice how many members of the United States' Military who are offended by these comments?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ As a former member of the United States Army I am deeply offended by your article.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.It could kill at distances of more than 500 meters (though this was increasingly seen as irrelevant).^ You have just done more to hurt the 2A cause than any army of hoplophobes could have hoped to do.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ You must take great pride in owning and maintaining a quality piece of equipment and in being more than capable of making a difficult shot at distance.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Zumbo, sir, you are truly clueless to the fact that you are doing more damage to all American gun owners than your "leftist" friends could ever do.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.At the time, the British were developing their own 7x43mm (.280 British) intermediate cartridge for their modern EM-2 bullpup assault rifle.^ Posted by: Doesn't own an assault rifle .
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I own several "assault" rifles.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An assault rifle is a select fire rifle firing an intermediate cartridge, of light weight.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Due to political pressure from the Conservative Party, which agreed with the American standardization campaign, the whole project was shelved at the eve of introduction. In Belgium, the famous arms producer FN Herstal started experimenting with the German 7.92x33mm Kurzpatrone. .They built a prototype of a rifle using this cartridge, but the impending NATO standardization forced them to rebuild it to use American ammo, giving birth to the FN FAL, Switzerland introduced the SIG 510 that still fired Swiss service full-length rifle rounds but also produced the SIG 510-4 that fired the 7.62x51mm NATO round.^ We use them because they do what we want to do and they do it better than many other types of rifles.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The AR-15 platform is a proven weapons system, and a proven hunting rifle that has been in use by American hunters and law enforcement officers for decades.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ They are going to take your shotgun, 22 rifle, anything they deam as a weapon capable of shooting a modern cartridge projectile.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Bolivia and Chile adopted the SIG 510-4 as their service rifle, Bolivian/Chilean exports were licence produced by the Italian firm Beretta.
.In conjunction with the 7.62x51mm Cartridge, The United States had developed the M14 rifle, which was largely based on the WWII M1 Garand, the most significant change being the addition of a 20 round detacheable box magazine and selective fire capability.^ "Assault rifles" have selective fire capabilty.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An assault rifle is a select fire rifle firing an intermediate cartridge, of light weight.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The Girandoni military air rifle had a magazine listed at 20 rounds.
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.While initial tests looked promising, professional rifleman were able to put on favorable demonstrations that quickly proved unrealistic once the rifle was in the hands of a more average soldier; The 7.62mm NATO cartridge is a full power rifle cartridge and produces too much recoil to control a lightweight rifle in full automatic fire.^ A rifle capable of automatic fire.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ So you have a higher risk of wounding an animal with a handgun than with a much more powerful rifle.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Well it looks like I am going to have alot more time on my hands and save alot of money.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.About the same time the M-14 was entering service, Eugene Stoner of Armalite was devloping a totally new rifle named the AR-10, which was still designed to fire the 7.62mm NATO cartridge.^ The "assault weapons" ban was a total misnomer(lie) on semi-automatic weapons, not one automatic fire rifle was on the list.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ If someone wants to hunt with an AR, an AK, a 1903 Springfield, a Sharps rifle, or a new 17 caliber Remington provided to them by the maufacturer more power to them.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ If AR's and other "black rifles" are terrorist rifles, what are Ruger Mini-14's, Ruger 10/22's, Remington 4700's, Winchester Semi-autos, and others?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.As testing of the Stoner rifle progressed, army ordinance finally decided to look more seriously at the intermediate cartridge concept, and the 5.56x45mm NATO was born.^ I will be looking very careful at everyone that advertises in Outdoorlife and deciding on wether or not I want to do any more business with them again.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An assault rifle is a select fire rifle firing an intermediate cartridge, of light weight.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An "ASSAULT" rifle, is a rifle fireing an intermediate sized cartridge [smaller than a rifle, larger than a pistol], with a selector switch allowing FULLY auto fire, as well as semi-auto fire.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Stoner scaled down his design and renamed the smaller weapon the AR-15, which would ultimately be adopted by the US armed forces as the M-16 rifle.^ AR-15: not an assault rifle.
  • AZ Assault Rifle-Wielding Man And Gun-Toter In NH Belong To Same Right-Wing Group | TPMMuckraker 10 February 2010 11:41 UTC tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Posted by: AR-15's are Freedom Rifles .
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ AR-15 which is a semi auto rifle.
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The M16A1 version soon followed to rectify issues found during use in the Vietnam War. .The M16A2 was a further refinement and upgrade introduced in 1986 meant to use the Belgian-updated 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge with a heavier 62-grain (4.0 g) bullet known as the SS109 or M855. The latest incarnation of the M-16 rifle is the M4A1 selective fire carbine.^ "Assault rifles" have selective fire capabilty.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An assault rifle is a select fire rifle firing an intermediate cartridge, of light weight.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Correct me if I am wrong, since when has a semi-auto rifle been considered a selective fire weapon?
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.The smaller-caliber military cartridges such as the 5.56x45mm and 5.45x39mm were sometimes considered less lethal than the previous generation of assault rifle rounds, such as the 7.62x39mm, which were large-caliber bullets with reduced propellant or cases.^ So considered, a.32 caliber rifle would not be a large airgun.
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^ Would you consider it an assault rifle?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ And while we are at it, what's with all this use of military cartridges and calibers?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.However, the lighter, small-caliber bullets achieved higher velocities, more favorable ballistic properties, and reduced carrying weight.^ Words like "Clueless", "Opinionated" and "Fool" will carry more weight.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

One aspect of the smaller caliber ammunition that is sometimes hotly debated is its fragmentation behavior. .Stopping capability is the effectiveness of the round in completely stopping the target when it hits—either killing or fully incapacitating.^ Not one round hit the target...
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An assault rifle is a rifle manufactured for military use, capable of 3-round bursts and/or fully automatic fire.
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^ The M16 is capable of shooting in semi automatic or in fully automatic mode, which was a 3 round burst when I was in the Army.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Within a certain range of ballistic conditions, the lighter 5.56 mm and 5.45 mm will, upon striking tissue, first tumble and then fragment. .Beyond 100 yards (91 m), or when fired from shorter barrels, such bullets can often fail to fragment upon impact because of insufficient velocity.^ Never having shot beyond 25 yards before, at 100 I was able to hit a 12" metal plate with EVERY shot using cheap ammo and iron sites.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Thus, the result in a target is a rather small .22 caliber bullet hole, instead of a much larger wound channel.^ "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it" .
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ (Hey, pistol target shooters do not need any thing larger than a .22) .
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Effectiveness depends on what tissues of the enemy body the round destroys. Larger destroyed areas increases the probability that sufficient damage will be done to end enemy resistance. Ultimately, any pointed (spitzer) round will tumble in soft tissue. .If the jacket has a cannelure, such as the U.S. 5.56x45mm M193 round, and the bullet is in the proper ballistic state and high enough velocity, the bullet will fragment, inflicting significant blood loss and internal damage, as well as a wound channel profile that is more complex to address medically.^ I would have more respect for you if you stood your ground, instead, you issued a weak apology, knowing full well the damage you have caused.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I don't hunt with it, but if I did, with a legal 5 round magazine and the proper bullet on an appropriate animal, it would hunanely do the job.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.If the bullet acts as a solid, and doesn't fragment, full effectiveness occurs only if striking the brain or spinal cord, causing immediate loss of control.^ Thus a shooter, familiar only with flintlocks, could cause just two clicks on the airgun and think that he is in the full cock position and ready to fire.
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There is a distinct, though lesser effectiveness if the heart, large blood vessels, or liver (which last tends to tear) is hit causing fairly quick loss of blood pressure, and consequent unconsciousness.
Part of the dispute over small-caliber rounds arises here. Blood loss leads to indirect incapacitation, but often takes longer than direct destruction of tissue. .Defense Secretary Robert McNamara presented wounding ability as a reason for adoption of the M16 over the M14 as a question of battlefield efficiency - that it is better to wound an adversary than kill him, as wounded must be tended to by their comrades, taking them out of the fight and demoralizing them in the process.^ Bring him down, take him out.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Take the fight directly to him.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ You obviously know better than anyone else how to take game in the field and you are obviously compensated quite well by those whose purse strings you are bound by.
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[11] .Many claim that this theory was wed to the findings of Project SALVO, but nowhere in the SALVO findings was reduced lethality of rifle rounds ever stressed or presented as an argument for adoption of a lighter/smaller caliber round.^ Many people aren't aware of how two-faced Zumbo's arguments are, so let's present a little breakdown.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I use many rifles that you do not find appropriate for hunting but are excellent target rifles in my sport.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I know MANY hunters who use AR's for hunting and what is the difference between an AR that uses a 223 round or a bolt action rifle that uses that same round?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.SALVO concluded that the main factor in inflicting casualties in infantry combat was solely rounds fired - aiming had negligible impact.^ Not only are most of these guns NEVER used in any type of 'combat' even defined in the most open of ways, but the majority of rounds fired in America are used for target shooting.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.The theory that enemy soldiers would stop to aid a wounded comrade was questionable.^ Talking about aiding and abetting the enemy!...I thought I would never see one of our own, sell us out to the other side.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ While a serious wound , even a wound resulting from a shot from a partially empty air reservoir, would take an enemy soldier out of battle, only quickly lethal wounds were appropriate to hunting.
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.The heavier 7.62 mm bullets in use were claimed to hit harder with more mass, would not deflect or destabilize as readily, and more reliably killed what it hit.^ When a bystander was hit by a ball from the airgun would a more serious injury have been expected from a .51 caliber Girandoni?
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^ And, of course, it would have been necessary to have had the tools and bullet molds that were needed for the use of the airgun.
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^ We used circle-circle collision detection, however there are also hash maps for more complications collision detection such as used in “ bullet hell ” games.

.(Some of the substantiated issues were later addressed in 1982 with the changes made in the M16A2, which used a heavier 62-grain (4.0 g) bullet with different ballistic characteristics than its M16A1 predecessor.^ I hope that you will re-consider your words and your attitude towards the people who happen to own a different rifle than you use.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The ballistics of the 7.62 x 39 aren't all that different from the traditional 30-30.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Just because they look different than what you’re used to doesn’t make them bad.
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)

1970s–1990s: Development of features and form factors

FAMAS bullpup rifle (France). Adopted in 1978.
QBZ-95 (China), using 5.8x42mm rounds. Adopted in 1995.
The G36 (Germany), was adopted by the German Army in 1997.
The L85A1 bullpup rifle was adopted by the British Army in 1985.
Many of these automatic firearms used the same rounds as in older eras, but developed new layout designs, materials, and features, like standard telescopic and reflex sights.
.In the 1980s and 1990s, high velocity, smaller-caliber ammunition was becoming the standard of assault rifle ammunition.^ At what point do they become assault rifles?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ As many others have said, your high-powered, scoped hunting rifle is far more accurate at distance then most semi-auto "assault rifles".
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ They'll go after .50 caliber rifles, then handguns, and then after your precious hunting rifles (which they will call high powered sniper rifles).
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Following the trend set by the United States (which went from 7.62x51mm to 5.56x45mm), the Soviet Union developed its own smaller-caliber cartridge: the 5.45x39mm. In 1974, the 5.45x39 AK-74 became the successor to the AK-47/AKM series. .Though AK-74s began utilizing synthetic materials as opposed to wood, the weapon largely maintained the design of the AK-47.^ I shot my first deer with a AK 47 style rifle in the woods of Virginia.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I am deeply disappointed in this comment, comparing AR-15's and AK-47's to terrorist weapons.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The weapon most often associated with terrorists is the AK-47.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.China in the 1980s introduced the 5.8x42mm DBP87 round, to compete with the assault rifle rounds of NATO and Russia.^ I know they aren't automatic, heck i don't think they even allow them to have a 3 round burst so it is kind of hard for me to even consider them as assault rifles.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I think hunting with a assault rifle is only okay if you have a 5 round clip in it.
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^ I shoot 4000 plus rounds a year out of my M1A assault rifle with a 20 round mag .
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.One notable development in ammunition in the 1970–1980s was the German Heckler & Koch G11 rifle, which used 4.73 mm caseless ammunition.^ I have also used one of these rifles for hunting.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The bolt rifle was developed for use by the military.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I have no use for any "Remchester" hunting rifle, but I would never condemn anyone for having one, nor would I advocate banning them for any reason.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Because of German reunification and heat-dissipation issues with the caseless ammunition, the rifle never entered full production.
.New developments were rifle designs that utilized modularity, new form factors, sights, electronics, and new materials.^ And, the Lewis airgun, of course, simply was not available to them for any examination from 1803 to 1806, a time that may well have been their formative period for basic design development.
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^ AR15/AR10 rifles are popular for their modular design, ease of maintenance, reliability and accuracy.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.A number of bullpup rifles entered service in the late 1970s, 1980s and 1990s.^ Permalink These are the same anti-tax Hollywood "Wild West" cowboys from the late-1980s and the 1990s.
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.Although bullpup design had existed since the 1930s, the United Kingdom's EM-2 was one of the few bullpup assault rifles prior to this time.^ Wasn't the M98 Mauser an assault rifle at one time?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I 've owned at one time or another over two dozen Remington rifles and shotguns in my life.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ But wait, the M1 isn't an assault rifle and 30.06 bullet isn't designed for assault uses.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Examples of the trend include the FAMAS, Steyr AUG, and SA80. .All three are bullpup rifles that make heavy use of composites and plastics, the FAMAS and AUG both have ambidextrous controls, and the AUG, and SA80 both added a low-power telescopic sight to the standard service version.^ I have other rifles better suited, but both the AR and AK are capable when used within their limitations.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ If you are a true sportsman than I urge you to hunt with a single shot rifle with iron sights like I have all my life.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ One rifle can be used for urban varmint control and wilderness varmints.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

The QBZ-95, SAR-21, and the Tavor TAR-21 follow a similar trend as well, with a bullpup configuration and heavy use of composites.
The German Heckler & Koch G36, adopted in the late 1990s by Germany and Spain , had integral telescopic and red dot sights and a composite exterior. The G36C, a compact variant, featured a different barrel assembly, a shorter foregrip, and a Picatinny rail in place of the standard sight assembly to accommodate a detachable sight.
Through the 1990s, modular accessories for use on rifles, of a variety of types, started to become widespread with the rapidly increasing practice of mounting Picatinny pattern rails on firearms. .This was primarily driven by the growing visibility and number of tactical police, counter-terrorist units, SWAT teams, special forces, and other groups that desired the capability to specifically tailor their weapons.^ Since when was the weapon I and all other US forces issued, a terrorist weapon?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Are my Remington 700PSS and 870 Police "terrorist weapons" also?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Are you going to call my SWAT team a band of terrorists too?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Tactical lights, visible lasers, weapon suppressors, infrared lights, drum magazines, ergonomic accessories (such as vertical foregrips), folding or collapsible stocks, and a plethora of other options appeared.^ Their Model 7615 "tactical rifle" is a pump action with a collapsible stock.
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^ FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK.—The term ‘folding or telescoping stock’ means a stock that folds, telescopes, or otherwise operates to reduce the length, size,or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances concealability, of a firearm.
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^ I carry an M-1 carbine because it is light, but also termed by the anti-gunners, such as you Mr. Zumbo an "assualt weapon".
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.As these options became available to civilians, customization of weapons other than assault rifles, such as the SKS rifle became common.^ We use them because they do what we want to do and they do it better than many other types of rifles.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The very rifle Zumbo carries with him is more than likely deadlier at longer range than any of the so-called assault weapons he condemns.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The "assault weapons" ban was a total misnomer(lie) on semi-automatic weapons, not one automatic fire rifle was on the list.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Intertwined with the growth of the modular accessories was the concept of rifles being modular themselves. .While some assault rifles can be modified through the use of attachments (such as the M4 carbine with SOPMOD), other assault rifles like the H&K G36, can have their entire function modified.^ An AR-15 is functionally just like any other rifle.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ If a hunter would like to use an "assault" rifle to hunt with so what?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ So you don't like "assault" rifles?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.The G36 can be converted from a standard rifle to a compact carbine for closer engagements or a squad automatic weapon for support, simply by swapping parts.^ Together we can unite with common sense gun control organizations to find support for licensing and the eventual elimination of automatic weapons from civilian ownership.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ What other semi-automatic rifles and shotguns will he say are terrorist weapons next?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The "assault weapons" ban was a total misnomer(lie) on semi-automatic weapons, not one automatic fire rifle was on the list.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Interchangeable or quick-detachable barrel assemblies of different lengths are emerging for some weapons, with retrofit kits to provide similar capabilities on older types.^ Civilian revenue allows for the deeply discounted weapons provided to government contracts as a result of the relatively high price we pay for the same weapons, thereby differing costs.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Very similar to the types of weapons used my military snipers in Iraq and assassins around the world.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Perhaps you think the type of weapon you have is intimidating but then again perhaps that only occurs to you as you are trying to compensate for some shortage or deficiency.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.The AR-15 in particular has an entire industry that has grown to make variations of every component of the rifle.^ AR-15: not an assault rifle.
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^ AR-15 rifles to terrorists.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The Colt AR-15 is not an assault rifle.
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.A variety of upper receivers of many types of operation (bolt, direct gas impingement, gas piston, blowback) are manufactured that allow the weapon to fire different ammunition than the standard assault rifle round (from small target rounds such as .22 LR to pistol rounds such as .380 ACP) without permanently changing the rifle.^ It is apparent that many Indians, if they had seen such an assault rifle in action, would have been anxious to get aboard the expedition boats to see if the group had a supply of these amazing guns.
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^ (This paper was also the basis for Fred Baer's excellent 1973 paper, which corrected many of the mistakes of his unfortunate1955 paper, but still led Hummelberger and Scharer to repeat many of the standard errors about the Girandoni military repeating air rifle - such as the caliber.
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^ It has no higher a rate of fire than any other semi-automatic weapon: it fires once every time you pull the trigger."
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21st Century Developments

The Micro Tavor (M.T.A.R) will be the standard assault rifle of the Israel Defence Forces infantry units by 2011.
The Belgian FN F2000, a bullpup, modular assault rifle with integrated electronics such as a laser rangerfinder and an LCD display
The XM8's modular variants.
.21st century assault rifles tend to be refinements of innovations made in previous decades.^ Previous attempts at defining and banning 'assault rifles' did not ban the creation of AR15 rifles.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Around the turn of the last century, that was the Assault Rifle of it's time.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Looking at the previous century the insurgencies and full scale wars were fought with bolt action rifles until the latter half of the last century.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.For example Israel's IMI Tavor TAR-21 is a 21st-century assault rifle that continues earlier trends of design: it has a compact bullpup layout, uses the 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge, can be set up for left- or right- handed shooters, exists in several modular variants, is made of lightweight composite materials, and comes standard with a reflex sight.^ Grow up and come into the 21st century.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ When they come for our "terrorist assault rifles", who will stand up for our rights?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ I own several "assault" rifles.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.The United States funded development of a replacement for the M16 rifle, eventually leading to the XM8 rifle, an experimental 21st-century design.^ Since this is the rifle carried by the military of the United States I can only assume that they must be the people you consider terrorists.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ How many terrorist attacks have happened in the United States where one of your so-called "Terrorist Rifles" was used?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ As a former United States Marine I am insulted by the insinuation that the rifle I carried and used to defend our nation was a "terrorist rifle".
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Based on the Heckler & Koch G36 it had similar features, but added electronics such as a laser sight, round counter, and integral infrared and visible lights. .The XM8 was a modular design: the rifle could fulfill different roles by changing the parts.^ I'm trying to design a change that will allow the rifle to be manually operated with a bolt action.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ AR15/AR10 rifles are popular for their modular design, ease of maintenance, reliability and accuracy.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Since Wal-Mart for the most part no longer sells rifles and shotguns, possibly you could become a "greeter" for them.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Weapons manufacturer Heckler and Koch has also created a redesigned M4 assault rifle.^ By definition a true assault rifle is a submachine gun so, to be precise, you are condemning a so-called "black rifle" as a terroristic weapon solely because of its looks.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The very rifle Zumbo carries with him is more than likely deadlier at longer range than any of the so-called assault weapons he condemns.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An assault weapon is a rifle that is capable of selective fire, I.E. semi and full auto or burst.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.The new weapons, the HK416 (firing 5.56x45 NATO) and the HK417 (firing 7.62x51 NATO), have updated features, but are not completely different weapons platforms.^ An assault rifle is a select fire weapon with a choice between semi-auto and either full-auto or a burst feature.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.They feature a piston (not gas-operated) action, Picatinny rails, a drop free magazine release, a bolt that is sealed from the action (reducing dirt, heat and chance of failure) and other additions.^ Ar-15's may "look" different to your traditional bolt action, but they fuction very much the same.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Please convert me by sending me free of charge the most expensive bolt action rifle made.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ If they can't hunt with a bolt action rifle then they shouldn't be hunting at all.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Another trend of the 21st century is the combination of sophisticated electronics with modern rifle designs.^ The Mauser designed action found on many modern bolt action rifles was use by both sides in World War 1 and 2.
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The US spent millions on the Objective Individual Combat Weapon program, to create a more advanced combat rifle. .The XM29 OICW rifle design was finalized in in the early 2000s- it featured an integrated laser rangefinder, thermal vision and night vision capabilities, and an integral smart grenade launcher.^ Mine suggests that a firearm which is designed to be carried night and day, at the ready; to be reliable and capable of downing a human sized quarry, has every place in hunting.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The .223 round is a very capable round and the AR platform was designed around it which lends to it being reliable and accurate , everything a person wants in a hunting rifle .
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The .223 round is a very capable round and the AR platform was designed around it which lends to it being reliable and acurate , everything a person wants in a hunting rifle .
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.The project was cancelled in 2004, but the US's experimental XM29 rifle lead to other countries developing similar systems.^ Nothing like them appears on any other known Girandoni system air rifle.
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^ The AR platform is a rifle that many of us are intimately familiar with due to our service to this country.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Even today's bolt action rifles were originally developed to kill other human beings - Paul Mauser didn't make bolt action rifles for hunting!
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France's PAPOP program is currently underway to create a computerized infantry weapon system. .South Korea's prototype XK11 Korean New Rifle has a ballistics computer, a laser rangefinder, and a digital scope that provides the operator with combat data and is capable of night operation through thermal imaging.^ If someone wants to hunt with an AR, an AK, a 1903 Springfield, a Sharps rifle, or a new 17 caliber Remington provided to them by the maufacturer more power to them.
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^ After all, one of America's most beloved Presidents, a war hero and the image of the New Frontier, was cut down with a scoped bolt action rifle.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The main new data structure that a developer if provided with is a FileList objects which represents an array of File objects.

The future

Small arms technology including the assault rifle can be described as a mature technology. However, changes in battlefield realities can be expected to lead to technological changes. .As weapons evolve, the delicate balance for assault rifle systems between power, weight, recoil and terminal effects will likely shift once again in an attempt to defeat body armor, to match the range of full-power cartridges, and to penetrate through windshields and thin-skinned vehicles while still producing good terminal effects.^ An assault rifle is a select fire rifle firing an intermediate cartridge, of light weight.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ "Assault" rifles are NFA weapons - ie - full auto weapons.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ So you don't like "assault" rifles?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Possible future directions are armor piercing or saboted sub-caliber tungsten darts, more powerful cartridges, application of new composite materials such as carbon fiber or carbon nanotubes, and use of exotic metals such as titanium and scandium.^ If someone wants to hunt with an AR, an AK, a 1903 Springfield, a Sharps rifle, or a new 17 caliber Remington provided to them by the maufacturer more power to them.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ More concerning for me is the possibility that there are many other such crash bugs lurking in the new sqlite based code.

^ As I recall, progressive governmets such as Mexico and some sub-saharan african nations have outlawed the use of Military calibers in pursuit of game.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.As personal body armor technology improves, for example from the development of Magnetorheological fluid-based smart materials, assault rifle designs will be forced to adapt in order to remain effective.^ I personally do not own nor would I hunt with an Assault Rifle - But could care less if that is what someone else prefers to hunt with.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ As the situation dictates a deer rifle can much more "effective " than an "assault rifle".
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ How about a Precssion Rifleworks stub rifle that is based on that NEF/H&R design?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Changes in assault rifle technology may come from maturation of other fields - as camera technology becomes more advanced, cameras may be integrated into rifles.^ At what point do they become assault rifles?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The very rifle Zumbo carries with him is more than likely deadlier at longer range than any of the so-called assault weapons he condemns.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ This quote from you is pure diatribe:"I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Much research and development has already been put into integration of rifles with advanced electronics.^ So, that being a truism, I suggest you put more research into your columns, and curb YOUR opinion's, prior to becoming an enemy of millions of gunowners nationwide.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The small diameter of the air vent passage would allow much higher pressures, with much greater effort, to be put into the tanks for testing.
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The FN SCAR.
.The future of the assault rifle may not be entirely in the design of the firearm itself, but rather in the ammunition it fires.^ "Assault rifles" have selective fire capabilty.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ It's not really about the assault rifle, it is about the rifle itself.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ This quote from you is pure diatribe:"I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Reducing weight and cost being one of the original reasons for the development of the intermediate powered round and subsequently the assault rifle, that goal has been taken to a whole new level with the development of caseless ammunition which does away with the weight and cost of shell casings.^ It carries an intermediate, non full powered rifle round.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ An assault rifle is a select fire rifle firing an intermediate cartridge, of light weight.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The original "assault rifle" was a single shot.
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Limitations of current technology prevent this idea from being successful but the concept is still being researched.

Legal ownership by civilians

Possession of assault rifles by civilians is illegal in most nations, but there are a few notable exceptions, including the following:

United States

.Civilian ownership of assault rifles is tightly regulated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives under the National Firearms Act of 1934 as amended by Title II of the Gun Control Act of 1968. In addition, the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of 1986 halted the manufacture of assault rifles for the civilian market and currently limits legal civilian ownership to units produced and properly registered with the BATFE before May 1986. Some states have enacted laws against civilian possession of automatic weapons that override NFA clearance; Kansas, on the other hand, repealed its own state law against civilian ownership of assault rifles in July 2008.[12] Civilians may purchase semi-automatic versions of such firearms without requiring NFA clearance, although some states (including California and New Jersey) also enforce their own restrictions on such weapons.^ We legally own the weapons you claim are "terrorist" rifles.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ They are semi-automatic rifles.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are 'tackdrivers.'"
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Canada

.Limited civilian ownership of assault rifles is allowed under Prohibited-class licenses.^ I know they aren't automatic, heck i don't think they even allow them to have a 3 round burst so it is kind of hard for me to even consider them as assault rifles.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ All of those assault rifles are just civilian versions of the M-16.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ To sum up this first part 1.There are no assault rifles in the hands of civilians.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.These licenses are not freely available and are only issued under specific circumstances.^ Keep creating free software and content *under a copyleft license*.

Czech Republic

.The Ministry of the Interior, under the provisions of Act 119/2002, regulates civilian ownership of assault rifles, which are classified in the Czech Republic as Category A (Restricted Firearms and Accessories).^ So how does Congress "prescribe" the "discipline" under which the well REGULATED Militia is to be REGULATED? By making LAW, that being "Militia Act" of 1792.
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[13] .In addition to a valid gun license, the prospective civilian owner must obtain a Category A Exemption from a local police agency and demonstrate the reason for owning an assault rifle, e.g.^ Remember that such unmarked specimens of the Girandoni military repeating air rifles apparently were guns which had been diverted from the Girandoni shops to "gentlemen" civilians.
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^ AZ Assault Rifle-Wielding Man And Gun-Toter In NH Belong To Same Right-Wing Group .
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a legitimate firearms collection. The largest rifled bore available to civilians is .50-caliber.

Switzerland

.Canton police agencies may issue special permits for civilians to own assault rifles (typically as licensed collectors), but such weapons may not be fired in full-automatic mode.^ Futhermore select fire weapons are assault rifles, not any rifle in an AR15 configuration.
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^ "Assault rifles" have selective fire capabilty.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Do you know that real assault rifles are full automatics, not semi.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Civilians may also purchase semi-automatic versions of such firearms.^ Like many people have previously stated, these "terrorist" rifles are functionally no different than many "sporting" semi-automatic firearms such as the Remington 7400 or Browning BAR. .
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ We also have the right to legitimately own the fully automatic and selective fire versions of those rifles, currently banned by the unconstitutional "Firearms Owner's Protection Act of 1986".
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ If an AR-15 is considered a "terrorist" rifle, then what about all the other semi-automatic rifles out there such as mini-14's.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Finland

.The Firearms Act of 1998 (amended in 2001) outlawed possession of assault rifles by the general public, although licensed collectors in good standing may be able to obtain permits for older assault rifles from the Gaming and Weapons Administration.^ My "evil terrorist assault rifles" are the only thing standing between you, Jim, and Chuck Schumer.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The very rifle Zumbo carries with him is more than likely deadlier at longer range than any of the so-called assault weapons he condemns.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ This quote from you is pure diatribe:"I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

Police must verify that the collector is able to store the gun securely to discourage theft.[14]

Pakistan

.Civilian gun licenses in Pakistan vary considerably in terms of region and class of firearm.^ Together we can unite with common sense gun control organizations to find support for licensing and the eventual elimination of automatic weapons from civilian ownership.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ The term "assault rifle" is a term coined by the gun grabbers of the U.S. Assualt is an action and just like any other firearm the person is the one that takes the action not the weapon!
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Local police agencies can issue permits for assault rifles that are only legal in the state in which they are issued, although a license issued by the Prime Minister will allow the rifle in question to be transported anywhere in the country.^ They are not terrorist rifles or assault rifles.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ At what point do they become assault rifles?
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ My "evil terrorist assault rifles" are the only thing standing between you, Jim, and Chuck Schumer.
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There are complaints that the licensing process has become too politicized.[15]

Poland

.Assault rifles may only be owned by licensed collectors and hunters, but cannot be fired in full-automatic mode.^ The only rifle I might own may be a M1 Garand.
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^ "Assault rifles" have selective fire capabilty.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

^ Do you know that real assault rifles are full automatics, not semi.
  • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

.Civilians may purchase semi-automatic versions of such firearms.^ Semi-automatic rifles, including commercial versions of the AR-15, and "automatic" rifles limited to firing "single shots" are not assault rifles as they are not selective fire.
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^ If all of this offends you, why ban a class of firearms from hunting which are functionally identical to sporting semi automatic firearms?
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^ This is far more devastating than the "assault weapon", especially the civilianized semi-automatic version legal for sale, which can only shoot one shot at a time!
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See also

Notes

  1. ^ "Machine Carbine Promoted," Tactical and Technical Trends, No. 57, April 1945.
  2. ^ C. Taylor The fighting rifle – A complete study of the rifle in combat, ISBN 0-87947-308-8
  3. ^ F.A. Moyer Special Forces foreign weapons handbook, ISBN 0-87364-009-8
  4. ^ R.J. Scroggie, F.A. Moyer Special Forces combat firing techniques, ISBN 0-87364-010-1
  5. ^ US Army intelligence document FSTC-CW-07-03-70, November 1970
  6. ^ Toward Combined Arms Warfare: a Survey
  7. ^ Historic Firearm of the Month, February 2000
  8. ^ "Тайна автомата Калашникова раскрыта?" ("The mystery behind Kalashnikov rifle unraveled?") Russian Life magazine, 2009-01-12; Link: http://life.ru/news/53051/
  9. ^ Ezell, Edward Clinton (1983). Small Arms of the World (in English). New York: Stackpole Books
  10. ^ Marshall, S.L.A. (1966). Men against Fire:The Problem of Combat Command in Future War. New York: Morrow. pp. 50–60. 
  11. ^ Edward Clinton Ezell "The Great Rifle Controversy: Search for the Ultimate Infantry Weapon from World War II Through Vietnam and Beyond," ISBN 978-0811707091
  12. ^ "Sebelius signs machine gun bill". AP. April 22, 2008. http://www.nbcactionnews.com/content/news/kansas/story.aspx?content_id=94c7bb5a-b5d0-43d1-badf-94b760c4984b. 
  13. ^ http://aplikace.mvcr.cz/archiv2008/sbirka/2002/sb052-02.pdf
  14. ^ http://www.kaapeli.fi/~rauhanl/pdf/Artikkelit/AKIBTBRAP090505.pdf
  15. ^ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123120431026355961.html

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  • Cutshaw, C. (2006). Tactical Small Arms of the 21st Century. Gun Digest Books. ISBN 0-87349-914-X
  • Halls, Chris. (1974) Guns in Australia, Paul Hamlyn, Sydney. ISBN 0-600-07291-6
  • Lewis, J. (2004). .Assault Weapons: An In-Depth Look at the Hottest Weapons Around.^ By definition a true assault rifle is a submachine gun so, to be precise, you are condemning a so-called "black rifle" as a terroristic weapon solely because of its looks.
    • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

    ^ I can take any firearm that Remington makes and make it appear to be an "Assault Weapon" because the critera is in looks only.
    • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

    ^ You always hear of people jumping on people who use "assault weapons" but if you look at the numbers (which I have extensively) more people are killed by "sporting weapons" every day.
    • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

    Krause Publications. ISBN 0-87349-658-2
  • Popenker, M. et al. (2004). .Assault Rifle: the Development of the Modern Military Rifle and its Ammunition.^ This company makes ammunition in calibers that fit those evil assault rifles that you badmouth.
    • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

    ^ WE that is to say our military uses the assault rifle version of the ar-15 the m-16/M4A1.
    • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

    ^ I feel you are ignorant, as you forget all the modern rifles are a derivation of military weapons, including that bolt action you hold in your photo.
    • Hunting With Jim Zumbo 20 September 2009 1:21 UTC razoreye.net [Source type: General]

    Wiltshire: The Crowood Press Ltd. ISBN 1-86126-700-2
  • Senich , P. (1987). German Assault Rifle: 1935-1945. Paladin Press. ISBN 0-87364-400-X

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An assault rifle is a rifle that has a magazine that can be removed, can be fired automatically, and fires bullets that do not have the power of other rifles like hunting rifles or battle rifles, but have more power and penatration than pistol bullets fired by submachine guns.

The first assault rifles were used by Russia in World War I in small numbers, but the Germans were the first to use assault rifles in large numbers.

An example of an assault rifle is the AK-47.


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