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in 1612 Jewish teacher Jacob Barnet was arrested and imprisoned by officials of the University of Oxford for changing his mind about being baptized?
when the 18th century artist Alexis Simon Belle (pictured) had his son baptized, the godmother was only six years old?
during the Holocaust, Capuchin friar Père Marie-Benoît created fake passports and baptism certificates in order to smuggle hundreds of Jews out of Southern France?
Santa Rosa Creek (pictured) was the scene of an 1827 baptism of a Pomo maiden, which event led to the naming of the creek and also the city of Santa Rosa, California?
Charles Atangana was the first Ewondo to be baptised Catholic in German Cameroon?
Horatia N. Thompson (pictured) was christened with Lord Nelson and Mrs Emma Hamilton as godparents and was later adopted by them as an orphan, even though they were her biological parents?
Russian writer and activist Zoya Krakhmalnikova's baptism in 1971 resulted in her dismissal from her job and from the USSR Union of Writers, which effectively banned her from publishing?

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Baptism of Neophytes by Masaccio, 15th century, Brancacci Chapel, Florence.^[1]

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In Christianity, baptism (from Greek baptizo: "immersing", "performing ablutions", i.e., "washing")^[2] is the ritual act, with the use of water, by which a person is admitted to membership of the Christian Church.^[3]^[4]

Jesus himself was baptized.^[5] The usual form of baptism among the earliest Christians was for the candidate (or "baptizand") to be immersed totally or partially.^[6]^[7]^[8]^[9]^[10] While John the Baptist's use of a deep river for his baptism suggests immersion,^[11] pictorial and archaeological evidence of Christian baptism from the 3rd century onward indicates that the normal form was to have the candidate stand in water while water was poured over the upper body.^[12]^[13]^[14]^[15] Other common forms of baptism now in use include pouring water three times on the forehead.

.Baptism was seen as in some sense necessary for salvation, until Huldrych Zwingli in the sixteenth century denied its necessity.^ There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of personal stories of people who are just as clear-headed as you are who have seen spirits (some related to them, some not) who have asked them to do their baptism for them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ "There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of personal stories of people who are just as clear-headed as you are who have seen spirits (some related to them, some not) who have asked them to do their baptism for them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[16] .Martyrdom was identified early in church history as "baptism by blood", enabling martyrs who had not been baptized by water to be saved.^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ As far as the 1995 agreement, the LDS Church has fulfilled and continues to fulfill its agreement by purging the names of holocaust victims who don't have a Mormon blood-relative, when ever they are found.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Stipulating that those who are baptized into the LDS church can decline this baptism in the afterlife is worse than Medieval.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Later, the Catholic Church identified a baptism of desire, by which those preparing for baptism who die before actually receiving the sacrament are considered saved.^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It isn't about being right or wrong- as I said before, everyone chooses their path and who am I to say a Catholic or a buddhist or a Pagan is wrong to follow that path.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I learned more about what actually goes on in the Mormon church from that website than from any deceitful missionaries who have talked to me.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[17]

Some Christians, particularly Quakers and the Salvation Army, do not see baptism as necessary. Among those that do, differences can be found in the manner and mode of baptizing and in the understanding of the significance of the rite. .Most Christians baptize "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (following the Great Commission), but some baptize in Jesus' name only.^ About Joseph Smith, obviously the only thing you know about him was that he was a polygamist - but know nothing about this writings or the philosophical dilemmas he solved in Christianity, through the revelations he received from God the Father and Jesus Christ, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Most Christians baptize infants,^[18] many others do not. .Some insist on submersion or at least partial immersion of the person who is baptized, others consider that any form of washing by water is sufficient.^ There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of personal stories of people who are just as clear-headed as you are who have seen spirits (some related to them, some not) who have asked them to do their baptism for them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It's also about a religious practice that not only offends others but directly and personally involves the deceased relatives of others who have a right to rest in peace."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ From personal experience I know unless the person is a direct relative (e.g., grandparent, parent, sibling) you must obtain permission from other members of the family who are direct relatives.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

The English word "baptism" has been used in reference to any ceremony, trial, or experience by which a person is initiated, purified, or given a name.^[19] See Other initiation ceremonies below.

1 Meaning of the word in the New Testament
2 History
3 Mode and manner of baptism
4 Meaning and effects of baptism
5 Other Baptism traditions
6 Opposition to water baptism
7 Other initiation ceremonies
8 Endnotes
9 See also
- 9.1 Related articles and subjects
- 9.2 People and ritual objects
10 Resources
11 External links

Meaning of the word in the New Testament

Catacombs of San Callisto: baptism in a third-century painting

.As Christians of different traditions dispute whether total immersion (submersion) is necessary for baptism, the precise meaning of the Greek word has become important for discussion.^ They really do have a strange idea of death and of the after-life, which is creatively different from all other Christian tradition.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ And if the afterlife wasn't so important to the Judeo-Christian tradition, why are you doing this?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Two loving parents and a stable home for children is far more important than whether or not the parents have different sets or equipment or not.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

The Greek-English Lexicon of Liddell and Scott gives the primary meaning of the word βαπτίζω (transliterated as "baptizô"), from which the English word "baptism" is derived, as "dip, plunge", but indicates, giving Luke 11:38 as an example, that another meaning is "perform ablutions".^[2]

Usual meaning of the verb βαπτίζω

Although the Greek word βαπτίζω does not exclusively mean dip, plunge or immerse (at least partially), lexical sources note that this is the usual meaning of the word in both the Septuagint^[20]^[21]^[22] and the New Testament.^[23] .A related word, βάπτω, is also used in the New Testament, with the senses "dip" or "dye",^[24]^[25]^[26]^[27] The dipping may be incomplete, as in dipping a morsel of bread in wine (Ruth 2:14).^ EMMA HERRING was born on 11 May 1836 in Sheffield, was baptised on 24 Jul 1836 in Sheffield, and was buried on 26 Jun 1837 in All Saints Church, Ecclesall, Sheffield.

Outta My Tree - Descendants of William Herring 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com [Source type: Academic]

^ WILMORE MEMMOTT was born on 26 May 1872 in Heeley, Sheffield, was baptised on 10 May 1874 in Heeley, Sheffield, died on 12 May 1874 in Heeley, Sheffield, at age 1, and was buried on 14 May 1874 in Heeley, Sheffield.

Outta My Tree - Descendants of William Herring 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com [Source type: Academic]

^[28]

Representation of baptism in early Christian art.

Deviations from the above meaning

Two passages in the New Testament indicate that the word βαπτίζω, when applied to a person, did not always indicate submersion. The first is Luke 11:38^[29] which tells how a Pharisee, at whose house Jesus ate, "was astonished to see that he did not first wash (ἐβαπτίσθη, aorist passive of βαπτίζω—literally, "be baptized") before dinner." This is the passage that Liddell and Scott cites as an instance of the use of βαπτίζω to mean perform ablutions. Jesus' omission of this action is similar to that of his disciples: "Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash (νίπτω) not their hands when they eat bread."^[Mt 15:1-2] The other New Testament passage pointed to is: "The Pharisees…do not eat unless they wash (νίπτω, the ordinary word for washing) their hands thoroughly, observing the tradition of the elders; and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they wash themselves (literally, "baptize themselves"—βαπτίσωνται, passive or middle voice of βαπτίζω)".^{[Mk 7:3–4]}

.Scholars of various denominations^[30]^[31]^[32] claim that these two passages show that invited guests, or people returning from market, would not be expected to immerse themselves ("baptize themselves") totally in water but only to practise the partial immersion of dipping their hands in water or to pour water over them, as is the only form admitted by present Jewish custom.^ Or worse, would you have them separated from your "normal" Mormon society, which is a freak show to many people, and then would you have them punished, or maybe even put to death?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Do you alter original records to show that Jewish people were actually Mormons?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I am totally offended that Mormons would baptize the dead of other religions.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[33]

.The lexicographical works of Zodhiates and Balz & Schneider also say that in the second of these two cases, Mark 7:4, the word βαπτίζω means that, after coming from the market, the Pharisees only immersed their hands in collected water, and so did not immerse themselves totally.^ Daniel ITLD wrote about Deity "working these things out," but what if Deity has a plan that in essence says He will not do for mankind what mankind can do for themselves--in fact the growth that brings is the very essence of the plan.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You wrote:"Daniel ITLD wrote about Deity "working these things out," but what if Deity has a plan that in essence says He will not do for mankind what mankind can do for themselves--in fact the growth that brings is the very essence of the plan."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[34] .They understand the meaning of βαπτίζω to be the same as βάπτω, to dip or immerse,^[35]^[36]^[37] a word used of the partial dipping of a morsel held in the hand into wine or of a finger into spilled blood.^ You just used EXACTLY the right word to describe what Mormons do to other relgiions; they seek to "PREEMPT" them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Just because many people don't think of THAT use of their names as particularly intrusive because it's well-intended, doesn't mean that they would agree, if consulted.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They are not going into your church and telling you to accept gay marriages, so by the same token you should not be sticking you head into theirs.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[38]

Derived nouns

Two nouns derived from βαπτίζω appear in the New Testament: βαπτισμός and βάπτισμα.

Βαπτισμός refers in Mark 7:4 to a water-rite for the purpose of purification, washing, cleansing, of dishes;^[39]^[40] in the same verse and in Hebrews 9:10 to Levitical cleansings of vessels or of the body;^[41] and in Hebrews 6:2 perhaps also to baptism, though there it may possibly refer to washing an inanimate object.^[40] .In Colossians 2:12, inferior manuscripts have βάπτισμα, but the best have βαπτισμός, and this is the reading given in modern critical editions of the New Testament.^ Marcionites were dualists who thought the OT God was an inferior judgmental God who was replaced by a better, forgiving New Testament God.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[42] .This is the only New Testament instance in which βαπτισμός is clearly used of Christian baptism, rather than of a generic washing, but Hebrews 6:2 may also refer to baptism.,^[40] When referring merely to the cleansing of instruments, βαπτισμός is equated with ῥαντισμός (sprinkling), found only in Hebrews 12:24 and 1Peter 1:2, a word used to indicate the symbolic cleansing by the Old Testament priest.^ If LDS posthumous baptisms were merely "symbolic" I'd feel much better.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Book of Mormon is patterned on the King James version of what Christians call the Old Testament.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Obnoxious because you think you can disreapect theri memories by imposing your own, may I say, rather screwed up version of christianity.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[43]

Βάπτισμα, which must not be confused with βαπτισμός,^[43] is found only in writings by Christians.^[39] In the New Testament, it appears at least 21 times:

13 times with regard to the rite practised by John the Baptist;^[44]
3 times with reference to the specific Christian rite^[45] (4 times if the use in some inferior manuscripts in Colossians 2:12 is counted);
5 times in a metaphorical sense.^[46]

History

.Baptism has been part of Christianity from the start, as shown by the many mentions in the Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline epistles.^ Corinthian 15:29 KJV. If these were being performed at the time of the apostle Paul, it would seem to me that they are part of Christian tradition.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Catholic Church and many Protestant Churches do not regard Mormons as Christian, because the Mormon Church just appeared at their own starting point, and did not evolve from any previous formal tradiiton.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Christians consider Jesus to have instituted the sacrament of baptism. How explicit Jesus' intentions were and whether he envisioned a continuing, organized Church is a matter of dispute among scholars.^[16]

Background in Jewish ritual

Main article: Mikvah

.Although the term "baptism" is not used to describe the Jewish rituals, the purification rites (or mikvah—ritual immersion) in Jewish laws and tradition have some similarity to baptism, and the two have been linked^[47] In the Jewish Bible and other Jewish texts, immersion in water for ritual purification was established for restoration to a condition of "ritual purity" in specific circumstances.^ In my religion, there are historical, traditional and religious reasons why the idea of proxi-baptism is abhorrent, not the least the establishment of an actual record.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You just used EXACTLY the right word to describe what Mormons do to other relgiions; they seek to "PREEMPT" them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The term baptism for the dead is specifically referred to in the New Testament in 1 Corinthians 15:29.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.For example, Jews who (according to the Law of Moses) became ritually defiled by contact with a corpse had to use the mikvah before being allowed to participate in the Holy Temple.^ It isn't about being right or wrong- as I said before, everyone chooses their path and who am I to say a Catholic or a buddhist or a Pagan is wrong to follow that path.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Participating in Temple ordinances is being a part of bring the blessings of the atonement of Jesus Christ to millions who did not receive the opportunity while living - THAT one of the sweetest joys of all.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Anyway, as I said before, Mormons are very intolerant, without even being aware of it; DrRock is a PERFECT example of this unconscious type of intolerance.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Immersion is required for converts to Judaism as part of their conversion. Immersion in the mikvah represents a change in status in regards to purification, restoration, and qualification for full religious participation in the life of the community, ensuring that the cleansed person will not impose uncleanness on property or its owners Num. 19 and Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Chagigah, p. 12). .This change of status by the mikvah could be obtained repeatedly, while Christian baptism, like circumcision, is, in the general view of Christians, unique and not repeatable.^ Try being a REAL Christian for a change, instead of scapegoating a minority that you personally do not like.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[48] .(Seventh-day Adventists, however, see baptism as repeatable if a believer comes to a new knowledge of Christianity, as in Acts 19:1-5.^ Relying on this misinformation to increase your knowledge of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is equivocal to asking a Christian Minister about Sukkot.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.It is also possible for a person who has fallen away from following Christ to make a new commitment via rebaptism.^ I carry some emotional baggage around this, as a descendant of Irish Catholics who risked their lives to follow Christ as they knew Christ.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ But then, I'm not a believer in a system which has taught me that my personal salvation requires that I make every possible effort to save others' souls, even over passionate objections.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

)^[49]

John the Baptist adopted baptismal immersion as the central sacrament in his messianic movement.^[50]

Baptism of Jesus

Main article: Baptism of Jesus

The Baptism of Christ, 1450 (National Gallery, London).

John the Baptist was a 1st-century mission preacher on the banks of the River Jordan.^[51] According to Christian theology, he was selected by God to proclaim the first coming of the Christ. He baptized Jews for repentance in the River Jordan.^[52]

At the start of his ministry, Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. .Many of the earliest followers of Jesus were other people who, like him, were baptized in the Jordan by John the Baptist.^ Marcedward1 said, "Baptizing the dead of other religions into your religion is not only a slap in the face to those people, but it underlies the emptiness of your own faith."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ As I said before, it is the straight people like Dr. Rock who pick on and persecute gay people and not the other way around.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ But respect means accepting me for who I am, and my history and if my religion says I don't believe in Jesus and will never want to be baptized, it is disrespectful to refuse to honor my beliefs.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[53]

Scholars broadly agree that the baptism of Jesus is one of the most authentic, or historically likely, events in the life of the historical Jesus. .Jesus and his earliest disciples accepted the validity of John's baptism, though Jesus himself detached the notion of repentance from baptism and promoted purity ethic in tension with rituals.^ "Baptism for the dead is akin to saying a prayer for the deceased and hoping that they will accept Jesus Christ's covenant in the afterlife, after they have been invited there."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism for the dead is akin to saying a prayer for the deceased and hoping that they will accept Jesus Christ's covenant in the afterlife, after they have been invited there.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[54] Early Christianity practiced a baptism of repentance which conferred the remission of sins. Christian baptism has its origin in the baptism of Jesus, in both a direct and historical sense.^[55]

.The event raised the issue of Jesus' potential submission to John the Baptist and seemed contradictory to the Christian belief in the sinless nature of Jesus Christ.^ Relying on this misinformation to increase your knowledge of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is equivocal to asking a Christian Minister about Sukkot.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

John's baptism did not remit sin. It was only for repentance and to prepare the way for Christ (remission of sins is only by baptism into Jesus which was commanded by Christ himself after the resurrection). Attempts to address this theological difficulty are apparent in the earliest Christian writings, including the Gospels. For Mark, the baptism by John is the setting for the theophany, the revelation of Jesus' divine identity as the Son of God.^[Mk 1:7-11] .Matthew shows John objecting to baptizing Jesus, an obvious superior, and only agreeing when overruled by Jesus^{[Mt 3:14-15]} and omits Mark's reference to baptism for the forgiveness of sins.^ The term baptism for the dead is specifically referred to in the New Testament in 1 Corinthians 15:29.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Luke emphasizes the subservience of John to Jesus while both are still in the womb^{[Lk 1:32-45]} and omits the role of John in the baptism of Jesus. ^[3:18-21] The Gospel of John omits the episode.^[56]

Early explanations for Jesus' baptism that have remained popular include Ignatius of Antioch's assertion that Jesus was baptized to purify the waters of baptism and Justin Martyr's explanation that Jesus was baptized in his role as the ideal example for everyone.^[56]

Baptism by Jesus

The Gospel of John^{[Jn 3:22-30]} ^[4:1-4] states that Jesus at an early stage led a mission of baptism that drew crowds. John 4:2, considered by many scholars to be a later editorial insertion,^[57] denies that Jesus himself baptized and states that he did so only through his disciples.

Some prominent scholars conclude that Jesus did not baptize. Gerd Theissen and Annette Merz assert that Jesus did not baptize, detached the notion of repentance from baptism, recognized John's baptism, and put forward a purity ethic in tension with baptism.^[54] .The Oxford Dictionary of World Religions also states that Jesus did not baptize as part of his ministry.^ But respect means accepting me for who I am, and my history and if my religion says I don't believe in Jesus and will never want to be baptized, it is disrespectful to refuse to honor my beliefs.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[15]

E. P. Sanders omits John's account of Jesus' baptizing mission from his portrait of Jesus as a historical figure.^[58]

.Robert W. Funk considers the account of Jesus' baptism ministry in John to have internal difficulties: that, for instance, it reports Jesus coming to Judea even though he is already in Jerusalem and thus in Judea.^ For the record, I am Protestant, and even though I think a posthumous baptism would have no effect on me, I would still object on symbolic grounds!

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[59] .John 3:22 actually speaks of Jesus and his disciples coming, not "εἰς τὴν Ἰουδαίαν" (into Judea), but "εἰς τὴν Ἰουδαίαν γῆν" (into the Judean countryside),^[60] which some interpret as contrasted with Jerusalem, the scene of the encounter with Nicodemus described immediately before.^ A person's view of God, my view of God, does not come from my free choice, but is colored by all the human interpretations of God that I encounter, together with my own conscious thinking and wondering, and then analyzed by some mysteriously autonomic analyzing process that operates in my head.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[61] .According to the Jesus Seminar, the passage about Jesus "coming to Judea" (as they interpret "εἰς τὴν Ἰουδαίαν γῆν") to lead a mission of baptism probably preserves no historical information (a "black" rating).^ The problem with gay people according to snobs like you, is that they have come out of the closet and found a voice.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You are respecting no one by imposing a fake baptism on the dead- you are simply dishonoring them by ignoring who they were and what they wanted.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ "Baptism for the dead is akin to saying a prayer for the deceased and hoping that they will accept Jesus Christ's covenant in the afterlife, after they have been invited there."

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^[59]

.On the other hand, the Cambridge Companion to Jesus^[62] takes a different view.^ Church leaders have asked members to treat other members with "civility, respect and love," despite their differing views.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.According to this source, Jesus accepted and made his own John the Baptist's message of repentance, forgiveness and baptism;^[63] taking over from John, when the latter was imprisoned, he called for repentance and for baptism as a first step in accepting the imminent kingdom of God;^[64] and the central place of baptism in his message is confirmed by the passage in John about Jesus baptizing.^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ And so believing in the reality of a physically existing God, Jesus, and angels who dwell in a physical place as real as the earth, with bodies as real as our own, they were then forced to question and then to answer the nature of the lives of these beings.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For the dead, after they accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, cannot be baptized for themselves because they are not in the body.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[65] .After John's execution, Jesus ceased baptizing, through he may have occasionally returned to the practice; accordingly, while baptism played an important part in Jesus' ministry before John's death and again among his followers after his resurrection, it had no such prominence in between.^ Allow me to correct myself; if your grandmother does not wish to be baptized, of course no-one should force her, either before or after death.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ In a world where we finally have learned what I call the “holy envy”, it’s a beautiful thing; I could think of myself as taking part in such an act [baptism for the dead], extending the blessings that have come to me in and through Jesus Christ.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Jesus Christ conquered death - meaning death no longer, by itself, can separate souls from the blessings of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[66]

.New Testament scholar Raymond E. Brown, a specialist in the Johannine writings, considers that the parenthetic editorial remark of John 4:2 that Jesus baptized only through his disciples was intended to clarify or correct the twice repeated statement in the preceding verses that Jesus did baptize, and that the reason for its insertion may have been that the author considered the baptism that the disciples administered to be a continuation of the Baptist's work, not baptism in the Holy Spirit.^ In a world where we finally have learned what I call the “holy envy”, it’s a beautiful thing; I could think of myself as taking part in such an act [baptism for the dead], extending the blessings that have come to me in and through Jesus Christ.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The term baptism for the dead is specifically referred to in the New Testament in 1 Corinthians 15:29.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ About Joseph Smith, obviously the only thing you know about him was that he was a polygamist - but know nothing about this writings or the philosophical dilemmas he solved in Christianity, through the revelations he received from God the Father and Jesus Christ, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[67]

Other New Testament scholars also accept the historical value of this passage in John. This is the view expressed by Joel B. Green, Scot McKnight, I. Howard Marshall.^[68] Another states that there is "no a priori reason to reject the report of Jesus and his disciples' conducting a ministry of baptism for a time", and mentions that report as one of the items in John's account^[3:22-26] "that are likely to be historical and ought to be given due weight".^[69]

In his book on the relationship between John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth, Daniel S. Dapaah says that John's account "may be a snippet of historical tradition", and comments that the silence of the Synoptic Gospels does not mean that the information in John was invented, and that Mark's account also suggests that Jesus worked with John at first, before moving to Galilee.^[70] Frederick J. Cwiekowski agrees that the account in John "gives the impression" that Jesus baptized.^[71]

.The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible says that "though he [Christ] himself baptized not so many as his disciples; 'For he suffered them for an example, preferring one another.'^ Understanding is different from one person to another but when you say G-d, the concept is universal.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For my part I believe Joseph Smith suffered from several psychological and social diseases that led him to believe in polygamy and Moroni.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You said: "But through a series of meetings with the Angel Morni, Joseph Smith came into the possesion of "magic" translation stones, " .

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[72]

.The Gospel of John remarks, in John 3:32, that, though Jesus drew many people to his baptism, they still did not accept his testimony,^[73] and the Jesus Seminar concludes, on the basis of Josephus's accounts, that John the Baptist likely had a larger presence in the public mind than Jesus.^ In that place, people still have the freedom to choose - to accept or reject it.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For the record, I am Protestant, and even though I think a posthumous baptism would have no effect on me, I would still object on symbolic grounds!

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[52]

New Testament

.The New Testament includes several references to baptism as an important practice among early Christians and, while giving no actual account of its institution by Jesus, portrays him as giving instructions, after his resurrection, for his followers to perform the rite (see Great Commission).^ Weird practices like baptizing the dead makes religions no different than the early worshipers of Nana and Inana.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Second, the doctrine of vicarious ordinances for the dead is not new, or a made-up Mormon doctrine, but is actually a part of the "restoration of all things" spoken of in the Old and New Testaments by several prophets.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Now, you might say that posthumous baptism is just a harmless sacred rite that your religion compels you to practice.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[74] It also gives interpretations by the Apostle Paul and in the First Epistle of Peter of the significance of baptism.

Paul's epistles

The Apostle Paul wrote several influential letters in the AD 50s, later accepted as canonical. .For Paul, baptism effects and represents the believer's union with Christ, Christ's death, and his resurrection; cleanses one of sin; incorporates one into the Body of Christ, and makes one "drink of the Spirit."^ After death, LDS believe that the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ continues in the world of spirits, where the souls created by God, await the resurrection and the final judgment.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Because of this truth, the only complaint that one could have about LDS proxi baptism is that he/she doesn’t believe in it or an after life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Proxi baptism is just a ritual that represents a covenant with Christ in the LDS faith - it doesn't guarantee anything.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^{[1 Co 12:13]}^[16] On the basis of Paul's writings, baptism was interpreted in the terms of the mystery religions.^[75]

Gospel of Mark

Mark 1:1-11

This gospel, generally believed to be the first and to have been used as a basis for Matthew and Luke, begins with Jesus' baptism by John, who preached a baptism of repentance for forgiveness of sins. .John says of Jesus that he will baptize not with water but with the Holy Spirit.^ But respect means accepting me for who I am, and my history and if my religion says I don't believe in Jesus and will never want to be baptized, it is disrespectful to refuse to honor my beliefs.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.At Jesus' baptism, he hears God's voice proclaiming him to be his Son, and he sees the spirit like a dove descend on him.^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ After death, LDS believe that the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ continues in the world of spirits, where the souls created by God, await the resurrection and the final judgment.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ But in God's mercy and plan, he will not force anyone to become like him - we must choose.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.During Jesus' ministry, when James and John ask Jesus for seats of honor in the coming kingdom, Jesus likens his fate to a baptism and to a cup, the very baptism and cup in store for John and James (that is, martyrdom).^ The concept of baptism of dead bodies that are actually not present during the ceremony (and without the relatives supporting it) is very bizarre and macabre (picture Vincent Price).

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[76]

Mark 16:19-20

The traditional ending of Mark is thought to have been compiled early in the second century, and initially appended to the gospel by the middle of that century.^[77] .It says that those who believe and are baptized will be saved.^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ So long as they don't try to inflict it on those who don't believe the same way, I don't care.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For those who believe so strongly in the afterlife, it is- as Mormons seem to- the practice is a deliberate slap in the face to other religions.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^{[Mk 16:9-20]}

Gospel of Matthew

Matthew 3:12-14; Matthew 28:18-20

Matthew includes a brief version of the baptism of Jesus.^{[Mt 3:12-14]}

The Gospel of Matthew also includes the most famous version of the Great Commission.^[28:18-20] Here, the resurrected Jesus appears to the apostles and commissions them to make disciples, baptize, and teach.^[78] This commission reflects the program adopted by the infant Christian movement.^[78]

Acts

.Acts of the Apostles, written c. 85–90,^[79] states that about 3,000 people in Jerusalem were baptized in one day on Pentecost.^ This is an article about Mormons baptizing dead people, not whether gay couples are the end of civilization.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ We could even start claiming that the people we baptize for the dead are accepting those baptism – and there is one thing you can do about it, accept complain.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[2:41] .It further relates baptisms of men and women in Samaria,^[8:12-13] of an Ethiopian eunuch,^[8:36-40] of Saul of Tarsus,^[9:18] ^[22:16] of the household of Cornelius,^[10:47-48] of Lydia's household,^[16:15] of the Philippi jailer's household,^[16:33] of many Corinthians^[18:8] and of certain Corinthians baptized by Paul personally.^ There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of personal stories of people who are just as clear-headed as you are who have seen spirits (some related to them, some not) who have asked them to do their baptism for them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The term baptism for the dead is specifically referred to in the New Testament in 1 Corinthians 15:29.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ In 1 Corinthians 1:15, Paul defends the doctrine of the resurrection by (correctly) pointing out that if there is no resurrection, there would be no point to do baptisms for the dead: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

In Acts, the prerequisites of baptism are faith and repentance.^[16] Acts associates baptism with receiving the Spirit, but the exact connection is not always the same.^[16]

.Also in Acts, twelve individuals who had undergone John's baptism, and who consequently had yet to receive the Holy Spirit, were directed by Paul to be rebaptized, whereupon they received the Holy Spirit.^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of personal stories of people who are just as clear-headed as you are who have seen spirits (some related to them, some not) who have asked them to do their baptism for them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[19:1-7]

.Acts 2:38, Acts 10:48 and Acts 19:5 speak of baptism "in the name of Jesus" or "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ", but whether this was a formula that was used has been questioned.^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ "Baptism for the dead is akin to saying a prayer for the deceased and hoping that they will accept Jesus Christ's covenant in the afterlife, after they have been invited there."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[16]

Apostolic period

Main article: Apostolic Age

The Apostolic Age is the period from Jesus' life to the death of the last apostle c. 100 (see Beloved Disciple). .Most of the New Testament was written during this period, and the primary sacraments of baptism and the Eucharist were established.^ The term baptism for the dead is specifically referred to in the New Testament in 1 Corinthians 15:29.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Protestants in particular value the church of the Apostolic Age as a witness to Jesus' true message, which they believe was subsequently corrupted during the Great Apostasy.^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You can't seem to accept that not everyone believes as you do, nor do they believe in Jesus.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If one person believes in Buddha, and another in Jesus, what difference if they both lead good lives and come to understand G-d in their respective ways?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Along with fasting, the practice of baptism may have entered Christian practice under the influence of former followers of John's.^[52]

The Didache or Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, an anonymous book of 16 short chapters, is probably the earliest known written instructions, outside of the Bible, for administering baptism. The first edition was written c. 60–80 AD.^[80] The second, with insertions and additions, was written c. 100–150 AD.^[80] This work, rediscovered in the 19th century, provides a unique look at Christianity in the Apostolic Age. In particular, it describes the two foundational sacraments of Christianity: the Eucharist and baptism. .It indicates a preference for baptizing by immersion in "living water" (i.e., running water seen as symbolic of life)^[81] or, if that is unavailable, in still water, preferably at its natural temperature, but considers that, when there is not enough water for immersion, it is sufficient to pour water on the head.^ As if there aren't enough reasons for the living to argue, fuss and fight with each other about religion, now the dead are getting involved.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Today, there is a popular notion that homosexuals should be paired in marriage but it serves no natural purpose in the human species - in this life or the next.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[82]^[83]^[84]^[85]^[86]

In Matthew's (c. 80–85^[79]) Great Commission, Christians are to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.^[78] Baptism has been in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit since at least the end of the 1st century.^[16] In Acts (c. 90),^[79] Christians baptize "in the name of Jesus"^[Ac 19:5] though whether that meant a spoken formula has been questioned.^[16]

.There is general agreement that the New Testament contains no positive evidence for infant baptism,^[87]^[88] and the requirements made by the Didache on baptismal candidates are typically understood as precluding infant baptism.^ Yishai- Had you not made a rather snarky comment about Jews who were upset about the practice of proxi-baptism, not being confident in their identity there would be no issue.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ This is an untenable position - there are no laws in the UNited States that reflect your position.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The term baptism for the dead is specifically referred to in the New Testament in 1 Corinthians 15:29.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[89]^[90]^[91]

Early Christianity

Main article: Early Christianity

.Early Christian beliefs (Christianity practiced after the apostolic age) regarding baptism were variable.^ It is important to recognize that the practice of baptizing on behalf of the dead is not new--it was practiced by early Christians, and the Mormons have simply brought it back.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I can only attest to the extremity of your beliefs regarding proxi-baptism, which is abhorrent, and your views on gays- also abhorrent.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[15] In the most usual form of early Christian baptism, the candidate stood in water and water was poured over the upper body.^[15] Baptism of the sick or dying usually used means other than even partial immersion and was still considered valid.^[92] The theology of baptism attained precision in the 3rd and 4th centuries.^[15]

While instruction was at first given after baptism, believers were given increasingly specific instructions before being baptized, especially in the face of heresies in the fourth century.^[93] .By then, postponement of baptism had become general, and a large proportion of believers were merely catechumens (Constantine was not baptized until he was dying); but as baptisms of the children of Christians, using an adaptation of the rite intended for adults, became more common than baptisms of adult converts, the number of catechumens decreased.^ Donny and Marie were/are Mormons - They're in Salt Lake City - They claim to be Christian but Christians don't accept that - They have a Mormon center in Jerusalem that was to be used for missionizing until we protested (and yes, I live in Israel) - They believe that they can convert our dead ancestors, which is complete naarishkeit.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You are doing more than offering a prayer- you are taking names and performing a ritual- baptism-, and associating it with them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The French found that the rights of French children are more important than the rights or aspirations of French adults with unnatural sexual preferences.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[93]

As baptism was believed to forgive sins, the issue of sins committed after baptism arose. .Some insisted that apostasy, even under threat of death, and other grievous sins cut one off forever from the Church.^ I hate to be the one to break it to you but the minute you deny one group the rights every other American has ( under the constitution), you become a bigot.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It's even funnier when people think some people think they have a some sort of right to stop other people from practicing their particular brand of voodoo.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

As indicated in the writings of Saint Cyprian, others favoured readmitting the "lapsi" easily. The rule that prevailed was that they were readmitted only after undergoing a period of penance that demonstrated sincere repentance.

What is now generally called the Nicene Creed, longer than the text adopted by the First Council of Nicaea of 325, and known also as the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed because of its adoption in that form by the First Council of Constantinople in 381, was probably the baptismal creed then in use in Constantinople, the venue of the 381 Council.^[94]

Early Middle Ages

Infant baptism became common, alongside the developing theology of original sin, displacing the earlier common practice of delaying baptism until the deathbed.^[15] .Against Pelagius, Augustine insisted that baptism was necessary for salvation even for virtuous people and for children.^ We could even start claiming that the people we baptize for the dead are accepting those baptism – and there is one thing you can do about it, accept complain.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Baptism of Augustine of Hippo as represented in a sculptural group in Troyes cathedral (1549)

Middle Ages

The twelfth century saw the meaning of the word "sacrament" narrowed down and restricted to seven rites, among them that of baptism, while other symbolic rites came to be called "sacramentals".^[95]

.In the period between the twelfth and the fourteenth centuries, affusion became the usual manner of administering baptism in Western Europe, though immersion continued to be found in some places even as late as the sixteenth century.^ For the record, I am Protestant, and even though I think a posthumous baptism would have no effect on me, I would still object on symbolic grounds!

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[92] Throughout the Middle Ages, there was therefore considerable variation in the kind of facility required for baptism, from the baptismal pool large enough to immerse several adults simultaneously of the 13th century Baptistery at Pisa, to the half-metre deep basin in the 6th century baptistery of the old Cologne Cathedral.^[96]

Both East and West considered washing with water and the Trinitarian baptismal formula necessary for administering the rite. Scholasticism referred to these two elements as the matter and the form of the sacrament, employing terms taken from the then prevailing Aristotelian philosophy. The Catechism of the Catholic Church, while teaching the necessity of both elements, nowhere uses these philosophical terms when speaking of any of the sacraments.^[97]

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Awaiting submersion baptism in the Jordan river

In the 16th century, Martin Luther considered baptism to be a sacrament. .For the Lutherans, baptism is a "means of grace" through which God creates and strengthens "saving faith" as the "washing of regeneration"^[Titus 3:5] in which infants and adults are reborn.^ The answer to your question is one that Mormons have invented, without having any reason at all for believing that baptism of the dead has any meaning for God.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Another commenter indicated thatt God should be able to arrange for fairness through supernatural means eventually.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ How do you stand by and allow someone to proxi-baptize someone of another faith, and create a record of this baptism, yet cling to your own heritage?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[Jn 3:3-7] .Since the creation of faith is exclusively God's work, it does not depend on the actions of the one baptized, whether infant or adult.^ Allow me to correct myself; if your grandmother does not wish to be baptized, of course no-one should force her, either before or after death.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Since we will never be parents together, neither by birth nor adoption, does that mean that our marriage is not valid in the eyes of your god?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I really don't think you're qualified to comment matters of faith or God, since, in reality, you don't know anything about him/her/it, by your own admission.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Even though baptized infants cannot articulate that faith, Lutherans believe that it is present all the same.^ I might well regretfully refrain from the practice, even though I believed that I was thereby doing greater harm.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I do not believe that all religious truths are the same, and I do not believe that "many paths lead to the summit of the mountain."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ As a Catholic, I don't really want to be on their registry, even though I don't believe their registry has any worth outside this life whatsoever.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[98] Because it is faith alone that receives these divine gifts, Lutherans confess that baptism "works forgiveness of sins, delivers from death and the devil, and gives eternal salvation to all who believe this, as the words and promises of God declare."^[99] In the special section on infant baptism in his Large Catechism, Luther argues that infant baptism is God-pleasing because persons so baptized were reborn and sanctified by the Holy Spirit.^[100]

Swiss Reformer Huldrych Zwingli differed with the Lutherans by denying sacramental status of baptism. Zwingli identified baptism and the Lord's supper as sacraments, but in the sense of an initiatory ceremony.^[16] His understanding of these sacraments as symbolic differentiated him from Luther.

.Anabaptists (a word that means "rebaptizers") rejected so thoroughly the tradition maintained by Lutherans as well as Catholics that they denied the validity of baptism outside their group.^ They don't know anything, and I mean ANYTHING. (Oh well, I have met one or two who were not totally clueless).

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Well, the Mormons are doing just that not only by the irritating prosletizing they do but also this bizarre baptism of the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Just because many people don't think of THAT use of their names as particularly intrusive because it's well-intended, doesn't mean that they would agree, if consulted.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.They "rebaptized" converts on the grounds that one cannot be baptized without wishing it, and an infant, who does not understand what happens in a baptism ceremony and who has no knowledge of the concepts of Christianity, is not really baptized.^ The Mormon appeal to converts today as in the past, is for people who have only a partial and fragmented knowledge of their Christian tradition, and who are themselves, like the early church fathers, naive "folk-Christians" who do not really understand their own heritage, and for whom the extremely complex and complete Mormon theology is appealing.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For the record, I am Protestant, and even though I think a posthumous baptism would have no effect on me, I would still object on symbolic grounds!

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If after she has talked to him he still intends to baptize her, it would be best for her or another family member to inform the church that she does not wish to be baptized.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

They saw as non-biblical the baptism of infants, who cannot confess their faith and who, not having yet committed any sins, are not in the same need of salvation. .Anabaptists and other Baptist groups do not consider that they rebaptize those who have been baptized as infants, since, in their view, infant baptism is without effect.^ By incorporating Jews, catholics and any others without their consent, into a baptismal database of a church they never attended and were never interested in, you destroy the truth, and the historical record.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ So long as they don't try to inflict it on those who don't believe the same way, I don't care.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.The Amish, Restoration churches (Churches of Christ/ Christian Church), Hutterites, Baptists, Mennonites and other groups descend from this tradition.^ Some of the customs of the Mormon Church are politically hostile and intrusive to other groups.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They really do have a strange idea of death and of the after-life, which is creatively different from all other Christian tradition.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ "I disagree with Christian Churches marrying gay men and women in their churches, and believe it is in direct violation with the Bible and is disrespectful to my own and 1000s of other Christians" .

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Pentecostal, charismatic and most non-denominational churches share this view as well.^[4]

Modern practice

A baptism in the Roman Catholic Santa Cruz Parish, Chile, in 1991.

Today, baptism is most readily identified with Christianity, where it symbolizes the cleansing (remission) of sins, and the union of the believer with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection so that he may be called "saved" or "born again". Most Christian groups use water to baptize and agree that it is important, yet may strongly disagree with other groups regarding aspects of the rite such as:

Manner or method of baptism
Recipients of baptism
Meaning and effects of baptism

Mode and manner of baptism

Baptism of a child by affusion

A Christian baptism is administered in one of the following forms, performing the action either once or thrice:^[101]^[102]

Aspersion

Main article: Aspersion

Aspersion is the sprinkling of water on the head.

Affusion

An affusion baptism, in the Santa Cruz Parish, 1991.

Main article: Affusion

Affusion is the pouring of water over the head.

Immersion

Main article: Immersion baptism

The word "immersion" is derived from late Latin immersionem, a noun derived from the verb immergere (in- "into" + mergere "dip"). .In relation to baptism, some use it to refer to any form of dipping, whether the body is put completely under water or is only partly dipped in water; they thus speak of immersion as being either total or partial.^ They always come back to some form of "It's in the Bible."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I'm guessing that the Jewish bodies have not been consulted on whether or not they wished to renew their vows post mortem.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Others, of the Anabaptist tradition, use "immersion" to mean exclusively plunging someone entirely under the surface of the water (submersion).^[103]^[104]. .The term "immersion" is also used of a form of baptism in which water is poured over someone standing in water, without submersion of the person.^ How do you stand by and allow someone to proxi-baptize someone of another faith, and create a record of this baptism, yet cling to your own heritage?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Please explain to us, Mr. Waters, exactly how the Mormon practice of posthumous baptism interferes with deceased persons' right to "rest in peace."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[105]^[106] On these three meanings of the word "immersion", see Immersion baptism.

When "immersion" is used in opposition to "submersion",^[107] it indicates the form of baptism in which the candidate stands or kneels in water and water is poured over the upper part of the body. .Immersion in this sense has been employed in West and East since at least the second century and is the form in which baptism is generally depicted in early Christian art.^ AGAINST baptism of the dead, a practice taught by Marcion, a second century heretic.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

In the West, this method of baptism began to be replaced by affusion baptism from around the 8th century, but it continues in use in Eastern Christianity.^[105]^[106]^[108]

Submersion

Baptism by submersion in the Eastern Orthodox Church (Sophia Cathedral, 2005)

.The word Submersion comes from the late Latin (sub- "under, below" + mergere "plunge, dip")^[109] and is also sometimes called "complete immersion". It is the form of baptism in which the water completely covers the candidate's body.^ My own baptism is the same for me - if I don't live the covenant - then baptism was just a quick dip in the water.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Submersion is practiced in the Orthodox and several other Eastern Churches (although immersion, as distinct from submersion, is now also common), as well as in the Ambrosian Rite. It is one of the methods provided in the Roman Rite of the baptism of infants. .The supposition that the term "immersion", used by historians when speaking of the usual practice of the early Christians,^[84]^[85] referred to submersion has been challenged from the evidence of primitive pictorial representations and from measurements of surviving early baptismal fonts.^ It is important to recognize that the practice of baptizing on behalf of the dead is not new--it was practiced by early Christians, and the Mormons have simply brought it back.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[110] It is still frequently confused with immersion.

Baptism by submersion in a river

Baptists believe that "Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water. …It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer's death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus" [ellipsis retained from quoted text].^[111] .Baptists, like most other Christians who believe in baptism by total immersion, read Biblical passages^[112] to imply that the practice intentionally symbolizes burial and resurrection.^ It's also about a religious practice that not only offends others but directly and personally involves the deceased relatives of others who have a right to rest in peace."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They do it because they are told to do it by the top-down hierarchy, but basically, I believe, it is meaninglss to most Mormons who participate in it.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ As I said before, it is the straight people like Dr. Rock who pick on and persecute gay people and not the other way around.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Especially when performed before onlookers, the total immersion ceremony depicts a burial (when the person being baptized is submerged under the water, as if buried), and a resurrection (when the person comes up out of the water, as if rising from the grave)—a "death" and a "burial" to an old way of life focused on sinning, and a "resurrection" to the start of a new life as a Christian focused on God.^ Try being a REAL Christian for a change, instead of scapegoating a minority that you personally do not like.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Now when the subject of gay marriage comes up, straight people, especially homophobic Christian types do not laugh; now they tremble in fear.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Such Christians typically believe that John 3:3-5 also supports this view, with its implication that water baptism symbolizes (but does not produce) a Christian being "born again" spiritually.^ Placing my name or anyone else's name in a public records database of Mormon baptisms does not constitute a symbolic gesture.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Mormons do not believe in the traditional view of the transcendent world of "outside space and time" - such appeals to the primacy of consciousness, which is a philosophical error.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[113]

A submersion baptism in Community of Christ, in Las Terrazas Beach, Pichilemu, Chile.

.Baptism by submersion is also practiced by the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ),^[114] although the faith does not suggest rebaptism of those who have undergone a different Christian baptism tradition.^ Why does mainstream Christianity not practice this?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The practice of LDS baptism for the dead does nothing to change that memory.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[115] .Baptism in Churches of Christ, which also have roots in the Restoration Movement, is performed only by bodily immersion.^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[116]^:p.107^[117]^:p.124 .This is based on their understanding of the meaning of the word baptizo as used in the New Testament, a belief that it more more closely conforms to the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, and that historically immersion was the mode used in the first century, and that pouring and sprinkling later emerged as secondary modes when immersion was not possible.^ After death, LDS believe that the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ continues in the world of spirits, where the souls created by God, await the resurrection and the final judgment.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Jesus Christ conquered death - meaning death no longer, by itself, can separate souls from the blessings of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ One evangelical church I used to attend had as its motto: "One more for Jesus."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[118]^[119]^:p.139-140

Seventh-day Adventists believe that "Baptism symbolizes dying to self and coming alive in Jesus." They practice full immersion baptism.^[120]

Latter-day Saints beliefs concerning baptism state "You are briefly immersed in water, as Jesus Christ was baptized. .Baptism by immersion is a sacred symbol of the death, burial, and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, and it represents the end of your old life and the beginning of a new life as a disciple of Jesus Christ."^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Because Jesus Christ conquered death, death cannot separate those souls from God’s mercy.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Proxi baptism is just a ritual that represents a covenant with Christ in the LDS faith - it doesn't guarantee anything.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[121] The Community of Christ also practices submersion for their baptisms.

.Jehovah's Witnesses teach "When a person is baptized, his whole body should be put under the water momentarily."^ If the Mormons want to posthumously baptize every person who ever lived, why should anybody else care?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[122]

Apparel

.Until the Middle Ages, most baptisms were performed with the candidates completely naked—as is evidenced by most of the early portrayals of baptism (some of which are shown in this article), and the early Church Fathers and other Christian writers.^ The practice was also criticized by St. John Chrysotom, an early church father.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Some of the customs of the Mormon Church are politically hostile and intrusive to other groups.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It's not the beliefs of the LDS church in the case of posthumous baptisms that are harmful to others.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Typical of these is Cyril of Jerusalem who wrote "On the Mysteries of Baptism" in the 4th Century (c. 350 A.D.):

.Do you not know, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ, were baptized into His death?^ Or worse, would you have them separated from your "normal" Mormon society, which is a freak show to many people, and then would you have them punished, or maybe even put to death?
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You have no more right to baptize my dad as a mormon (a religion he had zero respect for) than I have to 'baptize' all the dead mormons back into the Catholic church.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For the dead, after they accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, cannot be baptized for themselves because they are not in the body.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

etc.…for you are not under the Law, but under grace.
.
1. Therefore, I shall necessarily lay before you the sequel of yesterday's Lecture, that you may learn of what those things, which were done by you in the inner chamber, were symbolic.^ Is that more important then all those other things you could be spending time doing?
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ "Well, good Daniel, maybe you've learned a couple of things about nature, science and genetics.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Well, good Daniel, maybe you've learned a couple of things about nature, science and genetics.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.
2. As soon, then, as you entered, you put off your tunic; and this was an image of putting off the old man with his deeds.^ You said: "putting together a coherent reason why gay people are not as good as you and your brethren."
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You disrespect other faiths by imposing your own on those names, you blow off their families and put it down to it's just because we think other religions are wrong.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Or worse, would you have them separated from your "normal" Mormon society, which is a freak show to many people, and then would you have them punished, or maybe even put to death?
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[Col 3:9] .Having stripped yourselves, you were naked; in this also imitating Christ, who was stripped naked on the Cross, and by His nakedness put off from Himself the principalities and powers, and openly triumphed over them on the tree.^ Again, you obviously know that this 'baptism' is just mumbo-jumbo, having no meaning or power in the real world.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You are stripping the head of all they have left- the memory of who they were in life.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.For since the adverse powers made their lair in your members, you may no longer wear that old garment; I do not at all mean this visible one, but the old man, which waxes corrupt in the lusts of deceit.^ Have you no respect at all?"
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Have you no respect at all?
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Face folks, no matter how old you religion is or what your religion is, it is all made up.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[Eph 4:22] .May the soul which has once put him off, never again put him on, but say with the Spouse of Christ in the Song of Songs, I have put off my garment, how shall I put it on?^ You may as well rewrite history and now say Hitler was a buddhist and you've given him the choice of staying in the afterlife or coming back again (horrors!
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ But respect means accepting me for who I am, and my history and if my religion says I don't believe in Jesus and will never want to be baptized, it is disrespectful to refuse to honor my beliefs.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^{[Song of Sol 5:3]} O wondrous thing! .You were naked in the sight of all, and were not ashamed; for truly ye bore the likeness of the first-formed Adam, who was naked in the garden, and was not ashamed.^ You may push all you like.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I conclude that that puts you all in the same position ethically as the Californians who so recently voted in favor of Proposition 8."
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I conclude that that puts you all in the same position ethically as the Californians who so recently voted in favor of Proposition 8.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.
3. Then, when you were stripped, you were anointed with exorcised oil, from the very hairs of your head to your feet, and were made partakers of the good olive-tree, Jesus Christ.^ You said: "putting together a coherent reason why gay people are not as good as you and your brethren."
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Hold your heads up high -- you did a great job on this most important cause.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I have made a number of valid, very rational arguments but you can't seem to grasp them.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.
4. After these things, you were led to the holy pool of Divine Baptism, as Christ was carried from the Cross to the Sepulchre which is before our eyes.^ In a world where we finally have learned what I call the “holy envy”, it’s a beautiful thing; I could think of myself as taking part in such an act [baptism for the dead], extending the blessings that have come to me in and through Jesus Christ.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ We could even start claiming that the people we baptize for the dead are accepting those baptism – and there is one thing you can do about it, accept complain.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I know that you do not like me to say these things, but it is for your own good; it is called "tuff luv."
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

And each of you was asked, whether he believed in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, and you made that saving confession, and descended three times into the water, and ascended again; here also hinting by a symbol at the three days burial of Christ.… And at the self-same moment you were both dying and being born;^[123]

The symbolism is three-fold:

1. Baptism is considered to be a form of rebirth—"by water and the Spirit"^[Jn 3:5]—the nakedness of baptism (the second birth) paralleled the condition of one's original birth. For example, St. John Chrysostom calls the baptism "λοχείαν", i.e., giving birth, and "new way of creation…from water and Spirit" ("to John" speech 25,2), and later elaborates:

."For nothing perceivable was handed over to us by Jesus; but with perceivable things, all of them however conceivable.^ Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ are powerful because they know all things, they know all laws, and they obey them, and all things (matter and energy) are subject them them.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

This is also the way with the baptism; the gift of the water is done with a perceivable thing, but the things being conducted, i.e., the rebirth and renovation, are conceivable. .For, if you were without a body, He would hand over these bodiless gifts as naked [gifts] to you.^ So if you went ahead and dded them to the Mormon lists without their permission, I certainly have the right to say something, because you would have taken that away from them.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If you would explain any of this to a Mormon, they would look at you blankly, and without understanding; how could you not see the superiority of Mormonism?
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.But because the soul is closely linked to the body, He hands over the perceivable ones to you with conceivable things " (Chrysostom to Matthew., speech 82, 4, c.^ On one hand you blather about the afterlife and allowing souls to accept Christ, on the other you pooh pooh it here by claiming it's not guaranteed, and its about the dead.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You are the one that is unnatural, against God, against society, against the natural order of things.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ We could even start claiming that the people we baptize for the dead are accepting those baptism – and there is one thing you can do about it, accept complain.
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390 A.D.)

2. The removal of clothing represented the "image of putting off the old man with his deeds" (as per Cyril, above), so the stripping of the body before for baptism represented taking off the trappings of sinful self, so that the "new man," which is given by Jesus, can be put on.

3. As St. Cyril again asserts above, as Adam and Eve in scripture and tradition were naked, innocent and unashamed in the Garden of Eden, nakedness during baptism was seen as a renewal of that innocence and state of original sinlessness. Other parallels can also be drawn, such as between the exposed condition of Christ during His crucifixion, and the crucifixion of the "old man" of the repentant sinner in preparation for baptism.

.Changing customs and concerns regarding modesty probably contributed to the practice of permitting or requiring the baptismal candidate to either retain their undergarments (as in many Renaissance paintings of baptism such as those by da Vinci, Tintoretto, Van Scorel, Masaccio, de Wit and others) and/or to wear, as is almost universally the practice today, baptismal robes.^ The practice of LDS baptism for the dead does nothing to change that memory.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Sorry Marced, those are not valid reasons, and tolerance of religion requires that you be tolerant of my beliefs and my practices.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

These robes are most often white, symbolizing purity. .Some groups today allow any suitable clothes to be worn, such as trousers and a t-shirt—practical considerations include how easily the clothes will dry (denim is discouraged), and whether they will become see-through when wet.^ "Respecting another religion or their beliefs is allow them to practice their religion how they see fit.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Respecting another religion or their beliefs is allow them to practice their religion how they see fit.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I don't slam the door in their faces - I just answer it in the nude when I see white shirts, name tags, and bicycles through the peephole.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Meaning and effects of baptism

.There are differences in views about the effect of baptism for a Christian.^ We could even start claiming that the people we baptize for the dead are accepting those baptism – and there is one thing you can do about it, accept complain.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Some Christian groups assert baptism is a requirement for salvation and a sacrament, and speak of "baptismal regeneration". This view is shared by the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox traditions, and by Churches formed early during the Protestant Reformation such as Lutheran and Anglican.^ Some of the customs of the Mormon Church are politically hostile and intrusive to other groups.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Catholics, evangelicals, Protestants, Orthodox Jews, Muslims -- all supported Yes on 8.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Actually, the Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant understanding is that I Cor.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

For example, Martin Luther said:

To put it most simply, the power, effect, benefit, fruit, and purpose of Baptism is to save. No one is baptized in order to become a prince, but as the words say, to "be saved". To be saved, we know, is nothing else than to be delivered from sin, death, and the devil and to enter into the kingdom of Christ and live with him forever.

– Luther's Large Catechism, 1529

.The Churches of Christ and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also espouse baptism as necessary for salvation.^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8 campaign.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say they are abiding by a 1995 agreement to limit the baptism of Jews who were killed in Nazi concentration camps.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

For Roman Catholics, baptism by water is a sacrament of initiation into the life of children of God (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1212-13). .It configures the person to Christ (CCC 1272), and obliges the Christian to share in the Church's apostolic and missionary activity (CCC 1270).^ Relying on this misinformation to increase your knowledge of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is equivocal to asking a Christian Minister about Sukkot.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.The Catholic Tradition holds that there are three types of baptism by which one can be saved: sacramental baptism (with water), baptism of desire (explicit or implicit desire to be part of the Church founded by Jesus Christ), and baptism of blood (martyrdom) (see topic below).^ Leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say they are abiding by a 1995 agreement to limit the baptism of Jews who were killed in Nazi concentration camps.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism for the dead allows church members participate in extending the mercy of God to those who have passed on without an opportunity to hear and decide on the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

By contrast, most Reformed (Calvinist), evangelical, and fundamentalist Protestant groups recognize baptism as an act of obedience to and identification with Jesus as the Christ. .They say that baptism has no sacramental (saving) power, and only testifies outwardly to the invisible and internal operation of God's power, which is completely separate from the rite itself.^ Jesus Christ conquered death - meaning death no longer, by itself, can separate souls from the blessings of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ "Let everyone keep only the level of knowledge that they have, no growth allowed."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Well, the Mormons are doing just that not only by the irritating prosletizing they do but also this bizarre baptism of the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Churches of Christ consistently teach that in baptism a believer surrenders his life in faith and obedience to God, and that God "by the merits of Christ's blood, cleanses one from sin and truly changes the state of the person from an alien to a citizen of God's kingdom.^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Proxi baptism is just a ritual that represents a covenant with Christ in the LDS faith - it doesn't guarantee anything.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism for the dead allows church members participate in extending the mercy of God to those who have passed on without an opportunity to hear and decide on the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Baptism is not a human work; it is the place where God does the work that only God can do."^ Placing my name or anyone else's name in a public records database of Mormon baptisms does not constitute a symbolic gesture.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ And this God does not live up in the sky, nor in some sort of Heavenly Paradise, or Elysium, such as many people believe, but that God, a physical being, a personage, lives in a physical place much like the earth, only it is a perfected place, where every thing works perfectly, all of the time.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The purpose of humanity and this life is to become like God - to learn his ways, and do what he does.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[124]^:p.66 Thus, they see baptism as a passive act of faith rather than a meritorious work; it "is a confession that a person has nothing to offer God."^[125]^:p.112

Baptism in most Christian traditions

The baptistry at St. Raphael's Cathedral, Dubuque, Iowa. This particular font was expanded in 2005 to include a small pool to provide for immersion baptism of adults. Eight-sided font architectures are common symbology of the day of Christ's Resurrection: the "Eighth Day".

.The liturgy of baptism in the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican, and Methodist traditions makes clear reference to baptism as not only a symbolic burial and resurrection, but an actual supernatural transformation, one that draws parallels to the experience of Noah and the passage of the Israelites through the Red Sea divided by Moses.^ Because of this truth, the only complaint that one could have about LDS proxi baptism is that he/she doesn’t believe in it or an after life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Actually, the Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant understanding is that I Cor.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Thus, baptism is literally and symbolically not only cleansing, but also dying and rising again with Christ. .Catholics believe that baptism is necessary for the cleansing of the taint of original sin, and for that reason infant baptism is a common practice.^ The answer to your question is one that Mormons have invented, without having any reason at all for believing that baptism of the dead has any meaning for God.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

The Eastern Churches (Eastern Orthodox Church and Oriental Orthodoxy) also baptize infants on the basis of texts, such as Matthew 19:14, which are interpreted as supporting full Church membership for children. In these traditions, baptism is immediately followed by Chrismation and Communion at the next Divine Liturgy, regardless of age. Orthodox likewise believe that baptism removes what they call the ancestral sin of Adam.^[126] .Anglicans believe that Baptism is also the entry into the Church and therefore allows them access to all rights and responsibilities as full members, including the privilege to receive Holy Communion.^ No baptism into your church.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Individual members of the church were encouraged to support the Yes on 8 efforts and, exercising their constitutional right to free speech, donated whatever they felt like donating.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You have no more right to baptize my dad as a mormon (a religion he had zero respect for) than I have to 'baptize' all the dead mormons back into the Catholic church.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Most Anglicans agree that it also cleanses the taint of what in the West is called original sin, in the East ancestral sin.

Eastern Orthodox Christians usually insist on complete threefold immersion as both a symbol of death and rebirth into Christ, and as a washing away of sin. Latin Rite Catholics generally baptize by affusion (pouring); Eastern Catholics usually by submersion, or at least partial immersion. However, submersion is gaining in popularity within the Latin Catholic Church. In newer church sanctuaries, the baptismal font may be designed to expressly allow for baptism by immersion.^{[citation needed]} Anglicans baptize by submersion, immersion, affusion or sprinkling.

.According to a tradition, evidence of which can be traced back to at latest about the year 200,^[127] sponsors or godparents are present at baptism and vow to uphold the Christian education and life of the baptized.^ They really do have a strange idea of death and of the after-life, which is creatively different from all other Christian tradition.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It is important to recognize that the practice of baptizing on behalf of the dead is not new--it was practiced by early Christians, and the Mormons have simply brought it back.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Baptists argue that the Greek word βαπτίζω originally meant "to immerse". They interpret some Biblical passages concerning baptism as requiring submersion of the body in water. They also state that only submersion reflects the symbolic significance of being "buried" and "raised" with Christ.^[Rom 6:3-4] .Baptist Churches baptize in the name of the Trinity—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.^ This is very different than taking the names of the dead, incorporating them into a Mormon church database and baptizing them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

However, they do not believe that baptism is necessary for salvation; but rather that it is an act of Christian obedience.

.Some "full gospel" charismatic churches such as Oneness Pentecostals baptize only in the name of Jesus Christ, citing Peter's preaching baptism in the name of Jesus as their authority.^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Our hope is that every person will accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, just like it is a hope and a prayer here on earth.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For the dead, after they accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, cannot be baptized for themselves because they are not in the body.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[Ac 2:38] They also point to several historical sources that maintain that the early church always baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until development of the Trinity Doctrine in the Second Century.^[128]^[129]

Ecumenical statements

.In 1982 the World Council of Churches published the ecumenical paper Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry.^ If I choose to go to Hell, and not to accept your "charitable gesture," who will tell the LDS church back on earth that I want to be removed from the published LDS baptism rolls?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

The preface of the document states:

.Those who know how widely the churches have differed in doctrine and practice on baptism, Eucharist and ministry, will appreciate the importance of the large measure of agreement registered here.^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Anyone who wants to know about this church, read my many comments, which Dr. Rock did not contradict, but also read his own shocking comments and judge for yourself.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ When you are promkoting your anti-gay agenda, how do you know who, in your presence, you may be offending?
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Virtually all the confessional traditions are included in the Commission's membership. That theologians of such widely different traditions should be able to speak so harmoniously about baptism, Eucharist and ministry is unprecedented in the modern ecumenical movement. Particularly noteworthy is the fact that the Commission also includes among its full members theologians of the Catholic and other churches which do not belong to the World Council of Churches itself."^[130]

A 1997 document, Becoming a Christian: The Ecumenical Implications of Our Common Baptism, gave the views of a commission of experts brought together under the aegis of the World Council of Churches. It states:

…according to .Acts 2:38, baptisms follow from Peter's preaching baptism in the name of Jesus and lead those baptized to the receiving of Christ's Spirit, the Holy Ghost, and life in the community: "They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers"^[2:42] as well as to the distribution of goods to those in need.^ Your church claims to be making a decision to save their souls by baptizing them so they can accept Christ if they so wish.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I have a feeling the names, which are continuously removed from the list, were placed there by converts, such as myself, because they are direct descendants of those deceased.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For the dead, after they accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, cannot be baptized for themselves because they are not in the body.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[2:45]

Those who heard, who were baptized and entered the community's life, were already made witnesses of and partakers in the promises of God for the last days: the forgiveness of sins through baptism in the name of Jesus and the outpouring of the Holy Ghost on all flesh.^[Ac 2:38] Similarly, in what may well be a baptismal pattern, 1 Peter testifies that proclamation of the resurrection of Jesus Christ and teaching about new life^{[1 Pe 1:3-21]} lead to purification and new birth.^[1:22-23] This, in turn, is followed by eating and drinking God's food,^[2:2-3] by participation in the life of the community—the royal priesthood, the new temple, the people of God^[2:4-10]—and by further moral formation.^[2:11ff] At the beginning of 1 Peter the writer sets this baptism in the context of obedience to Christ and sanctification by the Spirit.^[1:2] .So baptism into Christ is seen as baptism into the Spirit.^ There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of personal stories of people who are just as clear-headed as you are who have seen spirits (some related to them, some not) who have asked them to do their baptism for them.

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^cf. .^{[1 Co 12:13]} In the fourth gospel Jesus' discourse with Nicodemus indicates that birth by water and Spirit becomes the gracious means of entry into the place where God rules.^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ After death, LDS believe that the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ continues in the world of spirits, where the souls created by God, await the resurrection and the final judgment.

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^[Jn 3:5]^[131]

Validity considerations by some Churches

Russian Orthodox priest greeting an infant and its godparents on the steps of the church at the beginning of the Sacred Mystery of Baptism.

Since the Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Methodist and Lutheran Churches teach that baptism is a sacrament that has actual spiritual and salvific effects, certain key criteria must be complied with for it to be valid, i.e., to actually have those effects. .If these key criteria are met, violation of some rules regarding baptism, such as varying the authorized rite for the ceremony, renders the baptism illicit (contrary to the Church's laws) but still valid.^ First, it seems to me that the Church is doing all it can within the bounds of individual privacy and the law to urge members to not do these ordinances for Holocaust Survivors at the family request.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

One of the criteria for validity is use of the correct form of words. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that the use of the verb "baptize" is essential.^[92] Catholics of Latin Rite, Anglicans and Methodists use the form "I baptize you…." Eastern Orthodox and some Eastern Catholics use the form "This servant of Christ is baptized…" or "This person is baptized by my hands…." These Churches generally recognize each other's form of baptism as valid.

Use of the Trinitarian formula "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" is also considered essential; thus these churches do not accept as valid baptisms of non-Trinitarian churches such as Oneness Pentecostals.

Another essential condition is use of water. A baptism in which some other liquid was used would not be considered valid.

Another requirement is that the celebrant intends to perform baptism. .This requirement entails merely the intention "to do what the Church does", not necessarily to have Christian faith, since it is not the person baptizing, but the Holy Spirit working through the sacrament, who produces the effects of the sacrament.^ There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of personal stories of people who are just as clear-headed as you are who have seen spirits (some related to them, some not) who have asked them to do their baptism for them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If after she has talked to him he still intends to baptize her, it would be best for her or another family member to inform the church that she does not wish to be baptized.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If you believe in God, and if you are a Christian, you cannot believe that any person "set" on this earth, within the "setting" of their birth can be any more or less favored by God, merely by the "accident" of their birth.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Doubt about the faith of the baptizer is thus no ground for doubt about the validity of the baptism.

Some conditions expressly do not affect validity—for example, whether submersion, immersion, affusion or aspersion is used. However, if water is sprinkled, there is a danger that the water may not touch the skin of the unbaptized. If the water does not flow on the skin, there is no ablution and so no baptism.

If for a medical or other legitimate reason the water cannot be poured on the head, it may be poured over another principal part of the body, such as the chest. .In such case validity is uncertain and the person will be considered to be conditionally baptized – until such time as they can be baptized in the traditional manner later.^ Personally, I'm offended by the thought of re-baptizing the dead who proudly lived and died in the faith they knew and practiced; I feel it is disrespectful.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Corinthian 15:29 KJV. If these were being performed at the time of the apostle Paul, it would seem to me that they are part of Christian tradition.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Mormons do not believe in the traditional view of the transcendent world of "outside space and time" - such appeals to the primacy of consciousness, which is a philosophical error.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

For many communions, validity is not affected if a single submersion or pouring is performed rather than a triple, but in Orthodoxy this is controversial.

.According to the Catholic Church, baptism imparts an indelible "seal" upon the soul of the baptized.^ If the LDS Church was baptizing everyone to remain Jewish or Catholic, would the ritual be unethical, harmful or illegal?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You have no more right to baptize my dad as a mormon (a religion he had zero respect for) than I have to 'baptize' all the dead mormons back into the Catholic church.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Your church claims to be making a decision to save their souls by baptizing them so they can accept Christ if they so wish.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Thus, once baptized, an individual cannot be baptized again. This teaching was affirmed against the Donatists who practiced rebaptism. Baptism is said to operate ex opere operato and is valid even if administered in heresy or schism.^[15] Like holy orders, it confers a "character" on the recipient, who can never be re-baptized.^[15]

Recognition of baptism by other denominations

.The Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, Presbyterian and Methodist Churches accept baptism performed by other denominations within this group as valid, subject to certain conditions, including the use of the Trinitarian formula.^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Some of the customs of the Mormon Church are politically hostile and intrusive to other groups.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It's not the beliefs of the LDS church in the case of posthumous baptisms that are harmful to others.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.It is only possible to be baptized once, thus people with valid baptisms from other denominations may not be baptized again upon conversion or transfer.^ Marcedward1 said, "Baptizing the dead of other religions into your religion is not only a slap in the face to those people, but it underlies the emptiness of your own faith."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I agree, it's only meaning is to insult people of other faiths (or who are free from faith) and swell the appearaance of the number of mormons.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptizing the dead of other religions into your religion is not only a slap in the face to those people, but it underlies the emptiness of your own faith.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Such people are accepted upon making a profession of faith and, if they have not yet validly received the sacrament of confirmation or chrismation, by being confirmed. In some cases it can be difficult to decide if the original baptism was in fact valid; if there is doubt, conditional baptism is administered, with a formula on the lines of "If you are not yet baptized, I baptize you…."^[132]

.In the still recent past, it was common practice in the Roman Catholic Church to baptize conditionally almost every convert from Protestantism because of a perceived difficulty in judging about the validity in any concrete case.^ Anyone who wants to know about this church, read my many comments, which Dr. Rock did not contradict, but also read his own shocking comments and judge for yourself.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If after she has talked to him he still intends to baptize her, it would be best for her or another family member to inform the church that she does not wish to be baptized.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.In the case of the major Protestant Churches, agreements involving assurances about the manner in which they administer baptism has ended this practice, which sometimes continues for other groups of Protestant tradition.^ It's not the beliefs of the LDS church in the case of posthumous baptisms that are harmful to others.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I think this has not been done in a manner that gets a majority agreement.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I think the Mormon Church is doing its very best to abide by the agreement it made about the Holocaust names.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.The Catholic Church has always recognized the validity of baptism in the Churches of Eastern Christianity, but it has explicitly denied the validity of the baptism conferred in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8 campaign.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Relying on this misinformation to increase your knowledge of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is equivocal to asking a Christian Minister about Sukkot.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[133]

.Practice in the Eastern Orthodox Church for converts from other communions is not uniform, but even a convert received without administration of baptism is considered to have his previous baptism retroactively filled with grace by whatever form is used to accept him, such as by chrismation or confession.^ Since he apparently (according to your statements) intends to perform a baptism even against her express wishes, this seems to be a family conflict, and the best resolution would be between him and her, not involving the church at all.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It's not the beliefs of the LDS church in the case of posthumous baptisms that are harmful to others.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ When do they concede that what they do affects others and when will they accept that whatever their reasoning or excuse, they don't get a free pass because its faith?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

The exact procedure is dependent on local canons and is the subject of some controversy.^{[citation needed]}

Oriental Orthodox Churches recognise the validity of baptisms performed within the Eastern Orthodox Communion. Some also recognise baptisms performed by Catholic Churches. Any supposed baptism not performed using the Trinitarian formula is considered invalid.^{[citation needed]}

.In the eyes of the Catholic Church, all Orthodox Churches, Anglican and Lutheran Churches, the baptism conferred by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is invalid.^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8 campaign.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say they are abiding by a 1995 agreement to limit the baptism of Jews who were killed in Nazi concentration camps.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[134] .An article published together with the official declaration to that effect gave reasons for that judgment, summed up in the following words: "The Baptism of the Catholic Church and that of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints differ essentially, both for what concerns faith in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in whose name Baptism is conferred, and for what concerns the relationship to Christ who instituted it."^ The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8 campaign.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say they are abiding by a 1995 agreement to limit the baptism of Jews who were killed in Nazi concentration camps.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[135]

.The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints stresses that baptism must be administered by one having proper authority; consequently, the Church does not recognize the baptism of any other church as valid.^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8 campaign.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say they are abiding by a 1995 agreement to limit the baptism of Jews who were killed in Nazi concentration camps.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[136]

.Jehovah's Witnesses do not recognise any other baptism occurring after 1914^[137] as valid,^[138] as they believe that they are now the one true church of Christ,^[139] and that the rest of "Christendom" is false religion.^ By incorporating Jews, catholics and any others without their consent, into a baptismal database of a church they never attended and were never interested in, you destroy the truth, and the historical record.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ No one should feel forced, pushed, cooerced, threatened, even cajoled into believing or not believing a certain way about religion or any other topic in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[140]

Who may administer a baptism

A baptism administered by a U.S. Navy chaplain in Iraq

.There is debate among Christian churches as to who can administer baptism.^ There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of personal stories of people who are just as clear-headed as you are who have seen spirits (some related to them, some not) who have asked them to do their baptism for them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ In fact, a lot of information about the LDS church can be found there; I would recommend it as a resource for anyone who wants to learn about Mormons.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

The examples given in the New Testament only show apostles and deacons administering baptism. .Ancient Christian churches interpret this as indicating that baptism should be performed by the clergy except in extremis, i.e., when the one being baptized is in immediate danger of death.^ Allow me to correct myself; if your grandmother does not wish to be baptized, of course no-one should force her, either before or after death.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Christians, Jews and Muslims wouldn't dream of 'baptizing after death'.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Allow me to correct myself; if your grandmother does not wish to be baptized, of course no-one should force her, either before or after death."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Then anyone may baptize, provided, in the view of the Eastern Orthodox Church, the person who does the baptizing is a member of that Church, or, in the view of the Catholic Church, that the person, even if not baptized, intends to do what the Church does in administering the rite.^ If the Mormons want to posthumously baptize every person who ever lived, why should anybody else care?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If you actually want to learn about the LDS church, as opposed to spewing libel, I suggest you contact a member, the missionaries, or someone else who actually knows something about it.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Anyone who wants to know about this church, read my many comments, which Dr. Rock did not contradict, but also read his own shocking comments and judge for yourself.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Many Protestant churches see no specific prohibition in the biblical examples and permit any believer to baptize another.^ If after she has talked to him he still intends to baptize her, it would be best for her or another family member to inform the church that she does not wish to be baptized.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You have no more right to baptize my dad as a mormon (a religion he had zero respect for) than I have to 'baptize' all the dead mormons back into the Catholic church.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.In the Catholic Church the ordinary minister of baptism is a member of the clergy (bishop, priest or deacon),^[141] but in normal circumstances only the Parish Priest of the person to be baptized, or someone authorized by the Parish Priest, may do so licitly^[142] "If the ordinary minister is absent or impeded, a catechist or some other person deputed to this office by the local Ordinary, may lawfully confer baptism; indeed, in a case of necessity, any person who has the requisite intention may do so^[141] By "a case of necessity" is meant imminent danger of death because of either illness or an external threat.^ It's not the beliefs of the LDS church in the case of posthumous baptisms that are harmful to others.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Some of the customs of the Mormon Church are politically hostile and intrusive to other groups.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

."The requisite intention" is, at the minimum level, the intention "to do what the Church does" through the rite of baptism.^ The LDS Church does not count "baptisms for the dead" on their current membership rolls.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Why does the LDS Church teach that baptism for the dead is essential anyway?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Drrock wrote: "Why does the LDS Church teach that baptism for the dead is essential anyway?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

In the Eastern Catholic Churches, a deacon is not considered an ordinary minister. Administration of the sacrament is reserved, as in the Catholic Rite, to the Parish Priest. .But, "in case of necessity, baptism can be administered by a deacon or, in his absence or if he is impeded, by another cleric, a member of an institute of consecrated life, or by any other Christian faithful; even by the mother or father, if another person is not available who knows how to baptize."^ Homosexuals are incapable by nature of fulfilling the natural roles that function within the institution of marriage – because the institution of marriage IS, husband-wife-mother-father by design.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Marcedward1 said, "Baptizing the dead of other religions into your religion is not only a slap in the face to those people, but it underlies the emptiness of your own faith."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[143]

The discipline of the Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy and the Assyrian Church of the East is similar to that of the Eastern Catholic Churches. .They require the baptizer, even in cases of necessity, to be of their own faith, on the grounds that a person cannot convey what he himself does not possess, in this case membership in the Church.^ They want to deny it, oppress it and, in the case of the Mormons, even torture their gays with electro-shock to "cure" them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Marcedward1 said, "Baptizing the dead of other religions into your religion is not only a slap in the face to those people, but it underlies the emptiness of your own faith."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The LDS Church does not count "baptisms for the dead" on their current membership rolls.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[144] .The Latin Rite Catholic Church does not insist on this condition, considering that the effect of the sacrament, such as membership of the Church, is not produced by the person who baptizes, but by the Holy Spirit.^ There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of personal stories of people who are just as clear-headed as you are who have seen spirits (some related to them, some not) who have asked them to do their baptism for them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If after she has talked to him he still intends to baptize her, it would be best for her or another family member to inform the church that she does not wish to be baptized.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If the LDS Church was baptizing everyone to remain Jewish or Catholic, would the ritual be unethical, harmful or illegal?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.For the Orthodox, while Baptism in extremis may be administered by a deacon or any lay-person, if the newly-baptized person survives, a priest must still perform the other prayers of the Rite of Baptism, and administer the Mystery of Chrismation.^ You are doing more than offering a prayer- you are taking names and performing a ritual- baptism-, and associating it with them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If you'd like, you can say a prayer or perform a ritual that undoes the LDS baptism for the dead, if it will make you feel better?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ From personal experience I know unless the person is a direct relative (e.g., grandparent, parent, sibling) you must obtain permission from other members of the family who are direct relatives.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

The discipline of Anglicanism and Lutherans is similar to that of the Latin Rite Catholic Church. .For Methodists and many other Protestant denominations, too, the ordinary minister of baptism is a duly ordained or appointed minister of religion.^ And I am also aware of much Protestant hostility against Mormons, but I think that is just garden variety ill-will that all the many Protestant sects feel towards each other.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Newer movements of Protestant Evangelical churches, particularly non-denominational, have begun to allow those persons most instrumental in one's faith to baptize.^ Marcedward1 said, "Baptizing the dead of other religions into your religion is not only a slap in the face to those people, but it underlies the emptiness of your own faith."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Allow me to correct myself; if your grandmother does not wish to be baptized, of course no-one should force her, either before or after death.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ And the non-Mormon dead ones who got posthumously baptized?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, only a man who has been ordained to the Aaronic Priesthood holding the priesthood office of Priest or higher office in the Melchizedek Priesthood may administer baptism.^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8 campaign.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say they are abiding by a 1995 agreement to limit the baptism of Jews who were killed in Nazi concentration camps.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[145]

A Jehovah's Witnesses baptism is performed by a "dedicated male" adherent.^[146]^[147] .Only in extraordinary circumstances would a "dedicated" baptizer be unbaptized (see section Jehovah's Witnesses).^ And seeing as I am not the only one upset by this, you would think you have a clue.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Other Baptism traditions

Anabaptist baptism

A river baptism in North Carolina at the turn of the 20th century. Full-immersion (submersion) baptism continues to be a common practice in many African-American Christian congregations today.

Anabaptists ("re-baptizers") and Baptists promote adult baptism, or "believer's baptism." Baptism is seen as an act identifying one as having accepted Jesus Christ as Savior.

.Early Anabaptists were given that name because they re-baptized persons whom they felt had not been properly baptized, having received infant baptism, sprinkling, or baptism of any sort by another denomination.^ As a single straight person, I find extending any special privileges to people just because they're having sex with each other to be the most bizarre and unjust societal norms ever perpetrated by a majority on a minority.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Because of the laws of justice, no one can enter heaven unless he/she has received the covenant of baptism.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For the dead, after they accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, cannot be baptized for themselves because they are not in the body.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Anabaptists perform baptisms indoors in a baptismal font, a swimming pool, or a bathtub, or outdoors in a creek or river. .Baptism memorializes the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.^ After death, LDS believe that the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ continues in the world of spirits, where the souls created by God, await the resurrection and the final judgment.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[Rom 6] .Baptism does not accomplish anything in itself, but is an outward personal sign or testimony that the person's sins have already been washed away by the cross of Christ.^ Proxi baptism is just a ritual that represents a covenant with Christ in the LDS faith - it doesn't guarantee anything.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[148] It is considered a covenantal act, signifying entrance into the New Covenant of Christ.^[149]^[148]

Baptist views

.For the main majority of all Baptists, Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.^ Gay marriage leads to 1000s of more families without mothers or fathers - this is an attack on the human family - all in the name of sexual preferences of adults.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The answer to your question is one that Mormons have invented, without having any reason at all for believing that baptism of the dead has any meaning for God.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[Mt 28:19] .It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer's death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus.^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ After death, LDS believe that the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ continues in the world of spirits, where the souls created by God, await the resurrection and the final judgment.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Because Jesus Christ conquered death, death cannot separate those souls from God’s mercy.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.It is a testimony to the believer's faith in the final resurrection of the dead.^ After death, LDS believe that the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ continues in the world of spirits, where the souls created by God, await the resurrection and the final judgment.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[150]

Most Baptists believe that baptism in itself does not convey salvation or transformation, but is a sign of what has already happened in a spiritual sense to a new believer. .Since it is considered not to bestow "saving grace" or be salvific as such, Baptists consider it an "ordinance" rather than a "sacrament."^ Such is the philosophy and world view of gays and lesbians - appealing to their urges rather than the natural structure of the human family.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Being a church "ordinance"—a teaching of the Bible that Jesus intended his followers to observe,^[4] it is prerequisite to the privileges of church membership and to the Lord's Supper (Baptists' preferred term for communion).^[150]

.Baptism cannot be separated from one’s doctrine of Christ, since Christ himself was baptized and his redemptive work is depicted in baptism by immersion as a new relationship in Christ which all believers enjoy.^ We could even start claiming that the people we baptize for the dead are accepting those baptism – and there is one thing you can do about it, accept complain.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Because of this truth, the only complaint that one could have about LDS proxi baptism is that he/she doesn’t believe in it or an after life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For the dead, after they accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, cannot be baptized for themselves because they are not in the body.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[4]

.Baptists also believe that baptism is an important way of professing one’s faith in Christ.^ Proxi baptism is just a ritual that represents a covenant with Christ in the LDS faith - it doesn't guarantee anything.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The answer to your question is one that Mormons have invented, without having any reason at all for believing that baptism of the dead has any meaning for God.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Because of this truth, the only complaint that one could have about LDS proxi baptism is that he/she doesn’t believe in it or an after life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Typically, adults, youth, or older children who understand the commitment of faith to Christ and wish to respond to God’s call are acceptable candidates for baptism.^ The commission was comprised of sociologists who studied the effects of the reforms on children and found that children’s rights are more important to the family than the sexual preferences of adults.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Proxi baptism is just a ritual that represents a covenant with Christ in the LDS faith - it doesn't guarantee anything.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism for the dead allows church members participate in extending the mercy of God to those who have passed on without an opportunity to hear and decide on the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[4]

.Baptists have been criticized because their rejection of infant baptism appears to have no place for children in an adult or believers’ church.^ No baptism into your church.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ But now, after multiple sincere explanations, and you continue to rage against the LDS Church because of its belief, you've given Mormons and others no reason not to believe that you're just a religious bigot.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Because of this truth, the only complaint that one could have about LDS proxi baptism is that he/she doesn’t believe in it or an after life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Instead of baptizing young children and infants, Baptists prefer to dedicate children to the Lord in a public church service where the parents and the members of the church are called upon to live exemplary lives before children, and to teach them the ways of the Lord.^ If after she has talked to him he still intends to baptize her, it would be best for her or another family member to inform the church that she does not wish to be baptized.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Popes and bishops who have spent their lifetimes in service to the church do not want their names associated in any way with the Mormons.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You also admit that the only way homosexuals can imitate or mimic the structure of marriage (parents and children) is through the union of OPPOSITE SEXES – which is inherently a heterosexual union.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Water baptism is not an element in that service.^[4] Baptists respond to this criticism by saying God's love extends to all, and explicitly children; that baptism is not in itself a sacrament, and so does not convey the salvation those critics consider children to be lacking; and that as baptism merely conveys an outward sign of the confession of faith, it is a pointless exercise until the person being baptized is mature enough to make an informed decision to make that confession.^[4]

Churches of Christ

.Baptism in Churches of Christ is performed only by full bodily immersion,^[116]^:p.107^[117]^:p.124 based on the Koine Greek verb baptizo which is understood to mean to dip, immerse, submerge or plunge.^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[118]^[119]^:p.139^[151]^:p.313-314^[152]^:p.22^[153]^:p.45-46 .Submersion is seen as more closely conforming to the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus than other modes of baptism.^ I think Jesus was more concerned about that than my partner's vagina.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ After death, LDS believe that the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ continues in the world of spirits, where the souls created by God, await the resurrection and the final judgment.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You are doing more than offering a prayer- you are taking names and performing a ritual- baptism-, and associating it with them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[118]^[119]^:p.140^[151]^:p.314-316 Churches of Christ argue that historically immersion was the mode used in the first century, and that pouring and sprinkling later emerged as secondary modes when immersion was not possible.^[119]^:p.140 Over time these secondary modes came to replace immersion.^[119]^:p.140 .Only those mentally capable of belief and repentance are baptized (i.e., infant baptism is not practiced because the New Testament has no precedent for it).^ Consequently, I have no choice but to reject the candidacy of any person who shares those beliefs.” .

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Marcedward1 said, "Baptizing the dead of other religions into your religion is not only a slap in the face to those people, but it underlies the emptiness of your own faith."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Because of the laws of justice, no one can enter heaven unless he/she has received the covenant of baptism.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[117]^:p.124^[118]^[151]^:p.318-319^[154]^:p.195

.Churches of Christ have historically had the most conservative position on baptism among the various branches of the Restoration Movement, understanding baptism by immersion to be a necessary part of conversion.^ It is my thesis, based on my conversation with many Mormon missionaries, that most Mormons do not understand the theology of their own church, and the do not understand the underlying theological meaning behind most of their rituals, and they don't care to find out.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Most churches take in the greater part of their income through donations.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[124]^:p.61 The most significant disagreements concerned the extent to which a correct understanding of the role of baptism is necessary for its validity.^[124]^:p.61 .David Lipscomb insisted that if a believer was baptized out of a desire to obey God, the baptism was valid, even if the individual did not fully understand the role baptism plays in salvation.^ The answer to your question is one that Mormons have invented, without having any reason at all for believing that baptism of the dead has any meaning for God.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ We could even start claiming that the people we baptize for the dead are accepting those baptism – and there is one thing you can do about it, accept complain.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I encourage all those who are upset by this practice or who do not fully understand it to seek the knowledge, as I did, directly from the source.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[124]^:p.61 Austin McGary contended that to be valid, the convert must also understand that baptism is for the forgiveness of sins.^[124]^:p.62 McGary's view became the prevailing one in the early 20th century, but the approach advocated by Lipscomb never totally disappeared.^[124]^:p.62 .More recently, the rise of the International Churches of Christ (who insisted on re-baptising anyone joining their movement) has caused some to reexamine the issue.^ JOHN HERRING was baptised on 11 Feb 1798 in St.Peter & Paul Church, Sheffield and was buried on 2 May 1881 in Christ Church, Gleadless, Sheffield.

Outta My Tree - Descendants of William Herring 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com [Source type: Academic]

^ FREDERICK HERRING was baptised on 14 Jan 1903 in Christ Church, Heeley, Sheffield.

Outta My Tree - Descendants of William Herring 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com [Source type: Academic]

^ I carry some emotional baggage around this, as a descendant of Irish Catholics who risked their lives to follow Christ as they knew Christ.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[124]^:p.66

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Proxi baptism is just a ritual that represents a covenant with Christ in the LDS faith - it doesn't guarantee anything.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism for the dead allows church members participate in extending the mercy of God to those who have passed on without an opportunity to hear and decide on the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The purpose of humanity and this life is to become like God - to learn his ways, and do what he does.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[124]^:p.66 Baptism is a passive act of faith rather than a meritorious work; it "is a confession that a person has nothing to offer God."^[125]^:p.112 .While Churches of Christ do not describe baptism as a "sacrament", their view of it can legitimately be described as "sacramental."^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[124]^:p.66^[152]^:p.186 .They see the power of baptism coming from God, who chose to use baptism as a vehicle, rather than from the water or the act itself,^[152]^:p.186 and understand baptism to be an integral part of the conversion process, rather than just a symbol of conversion.^ No, we are not ignoring who they were or what they wanted, because the baptism doesn't change them unless they accept the change.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They see that personal change comes from within, and the Savior helps enable that process because they do not have to "carry" their baggage from life's mistakes with them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ This is the classic circular reasoning used by all religionists who can't accept that other people don't have the same views as they do.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[152]^:p.184 A recent trend is to emphasize the transformational aspect of baptism: instead of describing it as just a legal requirement or sign of something that happened in the past, it is seen as "the event that places the believer 'into Christ' where God does the ongoing work of transformation."^[124]^:p.66 There is a minority that downplays the importance of baptism in order to avoid sectarianism, but the broader trend is to "reexamine the richness of the biblical teaching of baptism and to reinforce its central and essential place in Christianity."^[124]^:p.66

.Because of the belief that baptism is a necessary part of salvation, some Baptists hold that the Churches of Christ endorse the doctrine of baptismal regeneration.^ It's not the beliefs of the LDS church in the case of posthumous baptisms that are harmful to others.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I am not obliged to tolerate -- or, worse, to respect -- your beliefs regarding women and minorities simply because your doctrines hold that any decision made by a dozen really old white guys is infallible.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[155] .However, members of the Churches of Christ reject this, arguing that since faith and repentance are necessary, and that the cleansing of sins is by the blood of Christ through the grace of God, baptism is not an inherently redeeming ritual.^ Since everyone will have the opportunity eventually, baptisn for the dead not a conflict or a competition in the minds of Church members, it's an act of service that allows us to reflect on our own baptism and conversion.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Proxi baptism is just a ritual that represents a covenant with Christ in the LDS faith - it doesn't guarantee anything.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I really don't think you're qualified to comment matters of faith or God, since, in reality, you don't know anything about him/her/it, by your own admission.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[119]^:p.133^[155]^[156]^:p.630,631 .Rather, their inclination is to point to the biblical passage in which Peter, analogizing baptism to Noah's flood, posits that "likewise baptism doth also now save us" but parenthetically clarifies that baptism is "not the putting away of the filth of the flesh but the response of a good conscience toward God" (1 Peter 3:21).^ I'm glad that His plan includes a way for us to help work toward that fairness in a concrete way now.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[157] One author from the churches of Christ describes the relationship between faith and baptism this way, "Faith is the reason why a person is a child of God; baptism is the time at which one is incorporated into Christ and so becomes a child of God" (italics are in the source).^[154]^:p.170 .Baptism is understood as a confessional expression of faith and repentance,^[154]^:p.179-182 rather than a "work" that earns salvation.^ As a person of faith who also happens to be a journalist, I tend to find the religious beliefs and practices of others intriguing and even enlightening rather than threatening or offensive.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[154]^:p.170

Reformed and Covenant Theology view

Main article: Covenant Theology#Baptism

Paedobaptist Covenant theologians see the administration of all the biblical covenants, including the New Covenant, as including a principle of familial, corporate inclusion or "generational succession". The biblical covenants between God and man include signs and seals that visibly represent the realities behind the covenants. These visible signs and symbols of God's covenant redemption are administered in a corporate manner (for instance, to households), not in an exclusively individualistic manner.

.Baptism is considered by the Reformed churches as the visible sign of entrance into the New Covenant and therefore may be administered individually to new believers making a public profession of faith.^ No baptism into your church.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It's rude, regardless of what someone may or may not have professed to believe while alive.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Stipulating that those who are baptized into the LDS church can decline this baptism in the afterlife is worse than Medieval.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Paedobaptists further believe this extends corporately to the households of believers which typically would include children, or individually to children or infants of believing parents (see Infant baptism). In this view, baptism is thus seen as the functional replacement and sacramental equivalent of the Abrahamic rite of circumcision and symbolizes the internal cleansing from sin, among other things.

Catholic baptism

.In Catholic teaching, baptism plays an essential role in salvation.^ Why does the LDS Church teach that baptism for the dead is essential anyway?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Drrock wrote: "Why does the LDS Church teach that baptism for the dead is essential anyway?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[158] .This teaching dates back to the teachings and practices of first-century Christians, and the connection between salvation and baptism was not, on the whole, an item of major dispute until Martin Luther's teachings regarding grace.^ I welcome your coherent defenses that are superior to my own, in support of the LDS practice of poxi baptism, and the Institution of Marriage: the union between a man and woman.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It is important to recognize that the practice of baptizing on behalf of the dead is not new--it was practiced by early Christians, and the Mormons have simply brought it back.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ AGAINST baptism of the dead, a practice taught by Marcion, a second century heretic.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament."^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism for the dead allows church members participate in extending the mercy of God to those who have passed on without an opportunity to hear and decide on the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[17] .Accordingly, a person who knowingly, willfully and unrepentantly rejects baptism has no hope of salvation.^ Consequently, I have no choice but to reject the candidacy of any person who shares those beliefs.” .

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

This teaching is based on Jesus' words in the Gospel according to John: "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God."^[Jn 3:5]

Catholics are baptized in water, by submersion, immersion or infusion, in the name (singular) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit^[159]—not three gods, but one God subsisting in three Persons. While sharing in the one divine essence, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct, not simply three "masks" or manifestations of one Person. .The faith of the Church and of the individual Christian is based on a relationship with these three Persons of the one God.^ First, it seems to me that the Church is doing all it can within the bounds of individual privacy and the law to urge members to not do these ordinances for Holocaust Survivors at the family request.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ These are my personal opinions and thoughts; any errors are mine and in no way reflect official church policy or doctrine.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Adults can also be baptized, if they are not baptized already, through the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults.

It is claimed that Pope Stephen I, St. Ambrose, and Pope Nicholas I declared that baptisms in the name of "Jesus" only as well as in the name of "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" were valid. The correct interpretation of their words is disputed.^[92] Current canonical law requires the Trinitarian formula and water for validity^[158]

The Church recognizes two equivalents of baptism with water: "baptism of blood" and "baptism of desire". Baptism of blood is that undergone by unbaptized individuals who are martyred for the Faith, while baptism of desire generally applies to catechumens who die before they can be baptized. The Catechism of the Catholic Church describes these two forms:

.The Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptism are baptized by their death for and with Christ.^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Because Jesus Christ conquered death, death cannot separate those souls from God’s mercy.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Proxi baptism is just a ritual that represents a covenant with Christ in the LDS faith - it doesn't guarantee anything.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

This Baptism of blood, like the desire for Baptism, brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament. (1258)

For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament. (1259)

.Non-Christians who seek God with a sincere heart and, moved by grace, try to do God's will as they know it through the dictates of conscience can also be saved without water baptism; they are said to desire it implicitly.^ They were asked to stop this practice in 1995, and at that time they said they had done so, and then all of the half million names who they claim to have expunged from their lists have reemerged on that list recently.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They don't know anything, and I mean ANYTHING. (Oh well, I have met one or two who were not totally clueless).

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[160] As for unbaptized infants, the Church is unsure of their fate; "the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God" (Catechism, 1261).

Jehovah's Witnesses

Baptism is also practiced by Jehovah's Witnesses. .They believe it should be performed by complete immersion (submersion) only when one is old enough to understand the significance of it.^ The constant complaint of Mormons is that people speak about them without understanding who they are or what they believe.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ So if there is that universal understanding, why should you care how they got to that?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Nearly every religion claims an exclusive understanding about the nature of the afterlife, and none of those understandings should offend non-believers.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.They teach that water baptism is an outward symbol that one has made a complete, unreserved, and unconditional dedication through Jesus Christ to do the will of Jehovah God; for males and females, baptism constitutes ordination as a minister^[161] Jehovah's Witnesses usually baptize converts at large conventions^[162] rather than at the local Kingdom Halls.^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ One of the things followers of the Savior see in his teachings is that they don't have to view the world as if they are a victim.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For the dead, after they accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, cannot be baptized for themselves because they are not in the body.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

A candidate must request baptism some time before a planned baptismal event, since preparation is required to qualify.^[163] .Congregation elders may only approve a candidate for baptism after he understands what is expected of a Christian associated with Jehovah's Witnesses and he demonstrates sincere dedication to the faith.^ "I don’t expect everyone who not of my faith to understand our ways.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I don’t expect everyone who not of my faith to understand our ways.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If you haven’t asked that question, you may still yet be in the dark when trying to understand LDS baptisms for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[164]

Before the actual baptism, the candidates must answer in the affirmative when presented with the following two oaths^[165]:

On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?^ Jesus Christ conquered death - meaning death no longer, by itself, can separate souls from the blessings of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Does Jesus support you in your lying?
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Relying on this misinformation to increase your knowledge of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is equivocal to asking a Christian Minister about Sukkot.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?

While baptisms may be performed simultaneously by different baptizers, the baptism of a typical Jehovah's Witness candidate is performed by one male minister."Normally only one male minister is needed to baptize someone".^[166]

In practice, most baptisms among Jehovah's Witnesses are performed at scheduled assemblies and conventions by elders and ministerial servants, although smaller services without onlookers are considered Scriptural.^[146] and the only baptizer requirement is that he should himself be a baptized male.^[167]^[168] Unless the candidate is physically challenged or some other special situation exists, a particular candidate is immersed by only one baptizer. ."Jesus’ baptism, then, sets the pattern of total immersion in water, but it also suggests that one male servant of God should perform the baptism.^ The answer to your question is one that Mormons have invented, without having any reason at all for believing that baptism of the dead has any meaning for God.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Therefore, just as Jesus’ atonement was a vicarious or proxi work for the dead, the living, and future souls, he authorized his servants to perform a proxi work for those dead who did not receive authorized baptism while living.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[166] In circumstances of extended isolation, a qualified candidate's prayerful dedication and publicly stated intention to become baptized as soon as possible serve to identify the start of his or her life as a dedicated Christian, even if immersion itself must be delayed.^[169] .In rare instances, an unbaptized man who has made a public dedication has performed the baptism of another who immediately reciprocated; Witnesses accept both baptisms as valid.^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Eventually everyone who ever lived will be identified and a proxy baptism performed.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If I choose to go to Hell, and not to accept your "charitable gesture," who will tell the LDS church back on earth that I want to be removed from the published LDS baptism rolls?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[170] .Witnesses who had been baptized in the 1930s and 1940s by women ministers, such as in concentration camps, were rebaptized but retained the earlier as their baptism dates.^ Stipulating that those who are baptized into the LDS church can decline this baptism in the afterlife is worse than Medieval.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say they are abiding by a 1995 agreement to limit the baptism of Jews who were killed in Nazi concentration camps.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[146]

Mormonism

A Mormon baptism, circa the 1850s

Main article: Baptism (Mormonism)

In Mormonism, baptism has the main purpose of remitting the sins of the participant. .It is followed by confirmation, which inducts the person into membership in the church and constitutes a baptism with the Holy Spirit.^ No baptism into your church.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If the Catholic Church is going to get into politics despite the constitutional separation of church and state they should forfeit their tax free status and put their money where their mouth is.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Mormon baptism must be by full immersion, and by a precise ritualized prayer: if some part of the participant is not fully immersed, or the prayer was not recited verbatim, the ritual must be repeated.^[171] It typically occurs in a baptismal font. In addition, Mormons do not believe a baptism is valid unless it is performed by a Mormon priest or someone of higher authority.^[172] Authority is passed down through a form of apostolic succession. .All new converts the the faith must be baptized or re-baptized.^ Personally, I'm offended by the thought of re-baptizing the dead who proudly lived and died in the faith they knew and practiced; I feel it is disrespectful.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Baptism is seen as symbolic both of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection^[173] and is also symbolic of the baptized individual discarding their "natural" self and donning a new identity as a disciple of Jesus.^ After death, LDS believe that the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ continues in the world of spirits, where the souls created by God, await the resurrection and the final judgment.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The astounding arrogance of the Mormons in appropriating new members from the death rolls of other faiths is exceeded only by their self-righteous indignation over the "offense" others might have taken.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.According to Mormon theology, faith and repentance are prerequisites to baptism.^ "Baptism for the dead" is a central tenet of the Mormon faith.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.The ritual does not cleanse the participant of original sin, as Mormons do not believe the doctrine of original sin.^ They do it because they are told to do it by the top-down hierarchy, but basically, I believe, it is meaninglss to most Mormons who participate in it.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You said: "They do it because they are told to do it by the top-down hierarchy, but basically, I believe, it is meaninglss to most Mormons who participate in it."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Baptism must occur after an "age of accountability", defined in Mormon scripture as eight years old.^[174] Mormonism rejects infant baptism.^[175] .Mormon theology also countenances baptism for the dead in which deceased ancestors are baptized vicariously by the living.^ I don't know which is crazier, the concept of baptizing dead people or the living getting their shorts in a knot over the concept.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ This is an article about Mormons baptizing dead people, not whether gay couples are the end of civilization.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Who cares if Mormons baptize your dead auntie?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

This generally occurs in mormon temples.^[176]

Opposition to water baptism

Quakers and baptism

.Quakers (members of the Religious Society of Friends) do not believe in the baptism of either children or adults with water, rejecting all forms of outward sacraments in their religious life.^ DrS1, If you really respected all your friends who offered their prayers, you would also accept what they believe.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I do not believe that all religious truths are the same, and I do not believe that "many paths lead to the summit of the mountain."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It conducted a two year study of countries with gay marriage and found that the rights of Children were more important to society and the State, than the sexual preferences of adults.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Robert Barclay's Apology for the True Christian Divinity (a historic explanation of Quaker theology from the 17th century), explains Quakers' opposition to baptism with water thus:

"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance; but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear; he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire".^[Mt 3:11] Here John mentions two manners of baptizings and two different baptisms, the one with water, and the other with the Spirit, the one whereof he was the minister of, the other whereof Christ was the minister of: and such as were baptized with the first were not therefore baptized with the second: "I indeed baptize you, but he shall baptize you." Though in the present time they were baptized with the baptism of water, yet they were not as yet, but were to be, baptized with the baptism of Christ.

– Robert Barclay, 1678

^[177]

.Barclay argued that water baptism was only something that happened until the time of Christ, but that now, people are baptised inwardly by the spirit of Christ, and hence there is no need for the external sacrament of water baptism, which Quakers argue is meaningless.^ There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of personal stories of people who are just as clear-headed as you are who have seen spirits (some related to them, some not) who have asked them to do their baptism for them.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ And if you don't believe in evolution, there is no basis for judging what is or isn't natural, only factual.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If that is the case, then there's no need to write anyone's name in any sort of list, is there?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Salvation Army and baptism

.The Salvation Army does not practice water baptism, or indeed other outward sacraments.^ The practice of LDS baptism for the dead does nothing to change that memory.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Please explain to us, Mr. Waters, exactly how the Mormon practice of posthumous baptism interferes with deceased persons' right to "rest in peace."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.William Booth and Catherine Booth, the founders of the Salvation Army, believed that many Christians had come to rely on the outward signs of spiritual grace rather than on grace itself, whereas what they believed was important was spiritual grace itself.^ Based on that, they also believe that every good, honest person who has ever lived will be in "heaven"--a place far better and with greater happiness than on this earth.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Now when the subject of gay marriage comes up, straight people, especially homophobic Christian types do not laugh; now they tremble in fear.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ So, they did not engineer this excellent adventure to come and knock on your door; they are sent by their families, under instruction and orders of the church; many of them are unwilling, but pressured into fulfiliing what their familis perceive to be an important obligation.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.However, although the Salvation Army does not practice baptism, they are not opposed to baptism within other Christian denominations.^ Why does mainstream Christianity not practice this?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The practice of LDS baptism for the dead does nothing to change that memory.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They complain and complain about how they should be left alone, free to practice their religion, but they send our armies of missionaries to proselytize the world.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[178]

Hyperdispensationalism

.There are some Christians who carry dispensationalism to such an extreme that they accept only Paul's Epistles as applicable for the church today.^ There, they can accept it or reject it.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They are humans with natural affection or attraction, there are some with bi-sexual attraction, and there are those with homosexual attraction.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Of course some of my impressions may be wrong; I did not make an intenseive study of the Mormon Church or anything; I only know about them what they, themselves, have tossed my way.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.As a result, they do not accept baptism or the Lord's Supper, since these are not found in the Prison Epistles.^ If they want to accept LDS baptism in the afterlife - it is their affair, not yours.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They found that these rights (of the children) were more important to society, INCLUDING when the child’s rights conflict with the parents’ lifestyle choices.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ "Baptism for the dead is akin to saying a prayer for the deceased and hoping that they will accept Jesus Christ's covenant in the afterlife, after they have been invited there."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

They also teach that Peter's gospel message was not the same as Paul's.^[179] Hyperdispensationalists assert:

The great commission^{[Matthew 28:18-20]} and its baptism is directed to early Jewish believers, not the Gentile believers of mid-Acts or later.

The baptism of Acts 2:36-38 is Peter's call for Israel to repent of complicity in the death of the Messiah; not as a Gospel announcement of atonement for sin, a later doctrine revealed by Paul.

.Water baptism found early in the Book of Acts is, according to this view, now supplanted by the one baptism^{[1 Cor 12:13]} foretold by John the Baptist.^ REGISTERS OF ST.JOHN THE BAPTIST,HALESOWEN,WORCESTERSHIRE. BAPTISMS / MARRIAGES / BURIALS 1717-1727 NOW COMPLETE PARISH REGISTERS OF THE CHURCH OF ST.JOHN THE BAPTIST,HALESOWEN,WORCESTERSHIRE. Baptisms/Marriages/Burials 1717-1740.

St.John's Halesowen Worcs. Parish Registers 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.platt-grigg.accessgenealogy.com [Source type: General]

^[180] The one baptism for today, it is asserted, is the "baptism of the Holy Spirit".^{[Ac 11:15-16]} This, "spirit" baptism, however, is unlikely given the texts and facts that the baptisms of the Eunuch^[Ac 8:36] and the household of Cornelius^[10:47-48] were explicitly in water. Further evidence points to the humanly administered Great Commission which was to last until the end of the world.^{[Mt 28:19-20]} Therefore, the baptism the Ephesians underwent was water by context.^[181] .Likewise, Holy Spirit Baptism is recorded as only occurring twice in all the book of Acts to selected individuals.^ Not only is this act presumptuous; it clearly reflects the vast superiority Mormons feel over all other mortals.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[Ac 2:1-4] .^[10:44-46] Finally, it is argued that only Jesus possessed the power to baptize with the Holy Spirit and with Fire which eliminates any mortal ever doing.^ After death, LDS believe that the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ continues in the world of spirits, where the souls created by God, await the resurrection and the final judgment.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[Mt 3:11] ^[Lk 3:16]

.John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose.^ So, from now on you'll just have to look the other way when you hear about Mormons baptizing for the dead - that is your ONLY legal remedy and the only one that agrees with your high standard that you impose on Mormons when it comes to gays and lesbians.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The expressed solution from my cousin was, indeed, "you should all just become Mormons and then this won't be a problem."
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Try to baptize me after I die, and I'll come back and haunt you.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire"^[Lk 3:16].

Many in this group also argue that John's promised baptism by fire is pending, referring to the destruction of the world by fire.^[182]

.John, as he said "baptized with water", as did Jesus's disciples to the early, Jewish Christian church.^ The practice was also criticized by St. John Chrysotom, an early church father.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If the LDS Church was baptizing everyone to remain Jewish or Catholic, would the ritual be unethical, harmful or illegal?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Jesus himself never personally baptized with water, but did so through his disciples.^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ But respect means accepting me for who I am, and my history and if my religion says I don't believe in Jesus and will never want to be baptized, it is disrespectful to refuse to honor my beliefs.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[Jn 4:1-2] .Unlike Jesus' first Apostles, Paul, his Apostle to the Gentiles, was sent to preach rather than to baptize^{[1 Co 1:17]} but did occasionally baptize, for instance in Corinth^[1:14-16] and in Philippi,^[Ac 16:13] in the same manner as they.^ And then, they go on to say what you did: "You have the same obligation to be tolerant of my beliefs, as I do of yours."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ First you say they want to be the same, then you say they want to be different.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Corinthian 15:29 KJV. If these were being performed at the time of the apostle Paul, it would seem to me that they are part of Christian tradition.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^cf.^[Mt 28:19] He also taught the spiritual significance of the submerging in baptism and how one contacts the atoning death of Christ in such.^[Rom 6:4]

.Other Hyperdispensationalists believe that baptism was necessary only for a short period between Christ's ascension and mid-Acts.^ Because of this truth, the only complaint that one could have about LDS proxi baptism is that he/she doesn’t believe in it or an after life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

The great commission ^{[Mt 28:18-20]} and its baptism was directed to early Jewish believers, not the Gentile believers of mid-Acts or later. Any Jew who believed did not receive salvation^[Mk 16:16] ^{[1 Pe 3:21]} or the Holy Spirit^[Ac 2:38] until they were baptized. This period ended with the calling of Paul.^[9:17-18] Peter's reaction when the Gentiles received the Holy Spirit before baptism^[10:44-48] is worthy of note.

Other initiation ceremonies

Many cultures practice or have practiced initiation rites, with or without the use of water, including the ancient Egyptian, the Hebraic/Jewish, the Babylonian, the Mayan, and the Norse cultures. The modern Japanese practice of Miyamairi is such as ceremony that does not use water. .In some, such evidence may be archaeological and descriptive in nature, rather than a modern practice.^ Such is the philosophy and world view of gays and lesbians - appealing to their urges rather than the natural structure of the human family.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ As a person of faith who also happens to be a journalist, I tend to find the religious beliefs and practices of others intriguing and even enlightening rather than threatening or offensive.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Mystery religion initiation rites

Apuleius, a second-century Roman writer, described an initiation into the mysteries of Isis:

Then, when the priest said the moment had come, he led me to the nearest baths, escorted by the faithful in a body, and there, after I had bathed in the usual way, having invoked the blessing of the gods he ceremoniously aspersed and purified me.^ I could have said, “go away, your ways are not my ways.” But, somehow I was blessed to recognize that these were their ways of saying we care about you.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Any way, as I said before, it is coming; it is unstoppable; when it is banned in a state, then we must work all that much harder to lift the ban.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^[183]

This initiation of Lucius, the character in Apuleius's story who had been turned into an ass and changed back by Isis into human form, into the successive degrees of the rites of the goddess was accomplished only after a significant period of study to demonstrate his loyalty and trustworthiness, akin to catechumenical practices in Christianity.^[184]

Mandaean baptism

.Mandaeans, who abhor^{[citation needed]} Jesus and Moses as false prophets, revere John the Baptist and practice frequent baptism, a rite therefore of purification, not of initiation.^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Now, you might say that posthumous baptism is just a harmless sacred rite that your religion compels you to practice.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Sikh baptism ceremony

Main article: Amrit Sanskar

The Sikh initiation ceremony, which involves drinking, not washing, dates from 1699, when the religion's tenth leader (Guru Gobind Singh) initiated 5 followers of his faith and then was initiated himself by his followers. The Sikh baptism ceremony is called Amrit Sanchar or Khande di Pahul. The Sikh has taken Amrit once they have been initiated. .In Sikhism, the initiated Sikh is also called an Amritdhari literally meaning Amrit Taker or one who has Taken on Amrit.^ They don't know anything, and I mean ANYTHING. (Oh well, I have met one or two who were not totally clueless).

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Khande Di Pahul (Amrit ceremony) was initiated in the times of Guru Gobind Singh when Khalsa was inaugurated at Sri Anandpur Sahib on the day of Baisakhi in 1699. Guru Gobind Singh asked a gathering of Sikhs, who was prepared to die for God?^ They were asked to stop this practice in 1995, and at that time they said they had done so, and then all of the half million names who they claim to have expunged from their lists have reemerged on that list recently.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

At first, the people hesitated, and then one man stepped forward, and he was taken to a tent. After some time, Guru Gobind Singh came out of the tent, with blood dripping from his sword. He asked the same question again. After the next four volunteers were in the tent, he reappeared with the four, who were now all dressed like him. These five men came to be known as Panj Pyares or the Beloved Five. These five were initiated into the Khalsa by receiving Amrit. These five were Bhai Daya Singh, Bhai Mukham Singh, Bhai Sahib Singh, Bhai Dharam Singh and Bhai Himmat Singh. Sikh men were then given the name "Singh" meaning "lion" and the women received the last name "Kaur" meaning "princess".

Filling an iron bowl with clean water, he kept stirring it with a two-edged sword (called a Khanda) while reciting over it five of the sacred texts or banis—Japji, Jaap, Savaiyye, Benti Chaupai and Anand Sahib. The Guru’s wife, Mata Jito (also known as Mata Sahib Kaur), poured into the vessel sugar crystals, mingling sweetness with the alchemy of iron. The five Sikhs sat on the ground around the bowl reverently as the holy water was being churned to the recitation of the sacred verses.

With the recitation of the five banis completed, khande di pahul or amrit, the Nectar of Immortality, was ready for administration. Guru Gobind Singh gave the five Sikhs five palmsful each of it to drink.

Ritual washing in Islam

.Islam requires a sort of washing called Ghusul^[185] (Arabic word means washing), similar to Judaic practices mentioned above, which should include the washing of the whole body in special order or immersion of the whole body (submersion), in a river for instance.^ A highly educated Harvard professor calls this practice "beautiful", "generous, and "should not be ridiculed or spoken badly of".

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I should mention that although Judaism unlike Islam and Christianity is not conversionistic, a growing minority of us think we need to have at it.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I think the jewish community should come up with a special rite to baptise dead mormons into the jewish faith in order to provide the dead with the maximum choice to pick their means of salvation.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

This Ghusul is not required for an adult when adopting Islam, but must be performed after each sexual intercourse or a wet dream or a menstrual flow so that they may resume their five daily prayers. Also is required to be done for dead bodies. The notion that prayers must be invoked to ask God for forgiveness from impure thoughts and actions is incorrect; it is only desirable.^{[citation needed]}

.Such Ghusul is very different from practices in other religions.^ For those who believe so strongly in the afterlife, it is- as Mormons seem to- the practice is a deliberate slap in the face to other religions.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ But you also know that you converted to a religion that has very different ideas than Judaism, and in many ways is its antithesis.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ And I am not a Mormon and think the practice described is at the least misguided, and at the most, an insult to other religions.

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A person performs it alone privately, whenever it is indicated or desired.^{[citation needed]}

Apart from this, washing before daily prayers is essential and is called Wudu. .Muslims believe no one should approach God in prayer, before first asking God to forgive them their sins.^ Allow me to correct myself; if your grandmother does not wish to be baptized, of course no-one should force her, either before or after death.

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^ The answer to your question is one that Mormons have invented, without having any reason at all for believing that baptism of the dead has any meaning for God.

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^ No one should feel forced, pushed, cooerced, threatened, even cajoled into believing or not believing a certain way about religion or any other topic in life.

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Formal prayers are offered five times per day. While washing, one prays to God asking for forgiveness of the sins committed throughout the day, whether intentional or unintentional. .This is a Muslim's way of reminding him/herself that the goal of this life is to please God, and to pray to attain His forgiveness and grace.^ The purpose of humanity and this life is to become like God - to learn his ways, and do what he does.

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Christian baptism is challenged in the Quran in the verse: "Our religion is the Baptism of Allah; And who can baptize better than Allah? And it is He Whom we worship". It means that belief in the monotheism of God in Islam is merely sufficient for entering in the fold of faith and does not require a ritual form of baptism.^[186]

Gnostic Catholicism and Thelema

The Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, or Gnostic Catholic Church (the ecclesiastical arm of Ordo Templi Orientis), offers its Rite of Baptism to any person at least 11 years old.^[187] The ceremony is performed before a Gnostic Mass and represents a symbolic birth into the Thelemic community.^[188]

Comparative summary

Comparative Summary of Baptisms of Denominations of Christian Influence.^[189]^[190]^[191] (This section does not give a complete listing of denominations, and therefore, it only mentions a fraction of the churches practicing "believer's baptism".)

Denomination	Beliefs about baptism	Type of baptism	Baptize infants?	Baptism regenerates / gives spiritual life	Standard
Anglican Communion	"Baptism is not only a sign of profession, and mark of difference, whereby Christian men are discerned from others that be not christened, but it is also a sign of Regeneration or New-Birth, whereby, as by an instrument, they that receive Baptism rightly are grafted into the Church; the promises of the forgiveness of sin, and of our adoption to be the sons of God by the Holy Ghost, are visibly signed and sealed; Faith is confirmed, and Grace increased by virtue of prayer unto God."^[190]	By submersion, immersion, pouring, or sprinkling.	Yes (in most sub-denominations)	Yes (in most sub-denominations)	Trinity
Apostolic Brethren	Necessary for salvation because it conveys spiritual rebirth.	By submersion only. Also stress the necessity of a “second” Baptism of a special outpouring from the Holy Spirit.^[192]	Yes	Yes	Jesus^[193]
Baptists	A divine ordinance, a symbolic ritual, a mechanism for publicly declaring one's faith, and a sign of having already been saved, but not necessary for salvation. See Baptist— Believer's Baptism.	By submersion only.	No	No	Trinity
Christadelphians	Baptism is essential for the salvation of a believer.^.[194] It is only effective if somebody believes the true gospel message before they are baptized.^ For the dead, after they accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, cannot be baptized for themselves because they are not in the body. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^ I remain unconvinced of your accusations - so far, you have only said, "Stop baptizing for the dead, because 1) I don't like it, and 2) I don't believe as you do." Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^ If my dead Jewish relatives wanted to be baptized, they would have done it before they died. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^[195] .Baptism is an external symbol of an internal change in the believer: it represents a death to an old, sinful way of life, and the start of a new life as a Christian, summed up as the repentance of the believer — it therefore leads to forgiveness from God, who forgives people who repent.^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^ So long as they don't try to inflict it on those who don't believe the same way, I don't care. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^ There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of personal stories of people who are just as clear-headed as you are who have seen spirits (some related to them, some not) who have asked them to do their baptism for them. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^[196] .Although someone is only baptized once, a believer must live by the principles of their baptism (i.e.,death to sin, and a new life following Jesus) throughout their life.^ Because of this truth, the only complaint that one could have about LDS proxi baptism is that he/she doesn’t believe in it or an after life. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^ As was correctly pointed out earlier, baptism must be performed by a live person with a physical body. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^ It is the antithesis of what you believe, and what you're doing is really a way of saying it doesn't matter who you are or what you believe, or how you lived your life. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^[197]	By submersion only^[198]	No^[198]	Yes	The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (although Christadelphians do not believe in the Nicean trinity)
Disciples of Christ	Baptism is an outward and public sign of God's grace made manifest in the individual. In submersion, one symbolically experiences dying with Christ, and then rises with Him.^[199]	Usually by submersion	No	No	Trinity
Churches of Christ	.Churches of Christ have historically had the most conservative position on baptism among the various branches of the Restoration Movement, understanding baptism by immersion to be a necessary part of conversion.^ It is my thesis, based on my conversation with many Mormon missionaries, that most Mormons do not understand the theology of their own church, and the do not understand the underlying theological meaning behind most of their rituals, and they don't care to find out. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^ Most churches take in the greater part of their income through donations. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^[124]^:p.61	By immersion only^[116]^:p.107^[117]^:p.124^[118]	No^[117]^:p.124^[118]^[151]^:p.318-319^[154]^:p.195	.Because of the belief that baptism is a necessary part of salvation, some Baptists hold that the Churches of Christ endorse the doctrine of baptismal regeneration.^ It's not the beliefs of the LDS church in the case of posthumous baptisms that are harmful to others. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^ I am not obliged to tolerate -- or, worse, to respect -- your beliefs regarding women and minorities simply because your doctrines hold that any decision made by a dozen really old white guys is infallible. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^[155] .However, members of the Churches of Christ reject this, arguing that since faith and repentance are necessary, and that the cleansing of sins is by the blood of Christ through the grace of God, baptism is not an inherently redeeming ritual.^ Since everyone will have the opportunity eventually, baptisn for the dead not a conflict or a competition in the minds of Church members, it's an act of service that allows us to reflect on our own baptism and conversion. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^ Proxi baptism is just a ritual that represents a covenant with Christ in the LDS faith - it doesn't guarantee anything. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^ I really don't think you're qualified to comment matters of faith or God, since, in reality, you don't know anything about him/her/it, by your own admission. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^[119]^:p.133^[155]^[156]^:p.630,631 .Baptism is understood as a confessional expression of faith and repentance,^[154]^:p.179-182 rather than a "work" that earns salvation.^ As a person of faith who also happens to be a journalist, I tend to find the religious beliefs and practices of others intriguing and even enlightening rather than threatening or offensive. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^[154]^:p.170	Trinity
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints	An ordinance essential to enter the Celestial Kingdom of Heaven and preparatory for receiving the Gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands.	By immersion performed by a person holding proper priesthood authority.^[200]	No (at least 8 years old)	Yes	Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost (The LDS church doesn't believe in the Nicean trinity, but rather in the Godhead)^[201]
Eastern Orthodox Church / Oriental Orthodox Church / Eastern Catholic	The old man dies the "New Man" is born free from the stain of ancestral sin. A new name is given. All previous commitments and sins are null and void.^{[citation needed]}	By 3-fold submersion or immersion (other forms only in emergency, must be corrected by priest if possible).^{[citation needed]}	Yes. Chrismation (i.e., Confirmation) and Holy Communion follow immediately.^{[citation needed]}	Yes	Trinity
Jehovah’s Witnesses	Baptism is necessary for salvation as part of the entire baptismal arrangement: as an expression of obedience to Jesus' command (Matthew 28:19-20), as a public symbol of the saving faith in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ (Romans 10:10), and as an indication of repentance from dead works and the dedication of one's life to Jehovah. (1 Peter 2:21) However, baptism does not guarantee salvation.^[202]	By submersion only; typical candidates are baptized at district and circuit conventions.^[203]	No	No	Jesus
Denomination (continued)	Beliefs about baptism	Type of baptism	Baptize infants?	Baptism regenerates / gives spiritual life	Standard
Lutherans	Baptism is a miraculous Sacrament through which God creates and/or strengthens the gift of faith in a person's heart. ."Although we do not claim to understand how this happens or how it is possible, we believe (because of what the Bible says about baptism) that when an infant is baptized, God creates faith in the heart of that infant."^ After death, LDS believe that the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ continues in the world of spirits, where the souls created by God, await the resurrection and the final judgment. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^ Judaism, Catholicism and every other faith distinctly shows this because they understand that change happens and you grow to meet new challenges. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^ We could even start claiming that the people we baptize for the dead are accepting those baptism – and there is one thing you can do about it, accept complain. Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source] ^[204]	By sprinkling or pouring.^[205]^[206]	Yes^[207]^[208]	Yes^[208]	Trinity
Methodists (Arminians, Wesleyans)	The Sacrament of initiation into Christ's holy Church whereby one is incorporated into God's mighty acts of salvation and given new birth through water and the spirit. Baptism washes away sin and clothes one in the righteousness of Christ.	By sprinkling, pouring, immersion or submersion.^{[citation needed]}	Yes	May vary	Trinity
Trinitarian Pentecostals and various "Holiness" groups, Christian Missionary Alliance, Assemblies of God	Water Baptism is an ordinance, a symbolic ritual used to witness to having accepted Christ as personal Savior.^{[citation needed]}	By submersion. Also stress the necessity of a “second” Baptism of a special outpouring from the Holy Spirit.^[209]	No	Varies	Trinity
Oneness Pentecostals	Necessary for Salvation	By submersion only	No	Yes	Jesus name
Presbyterian and most Reformed churches	A sacrament, a symbolic ritual, and a seal of the adult believer’s present faith. It is an outward sign of an inward grace.^{[citation needed]}	By sprinkling, pouring, immersion or submersion^{[citation needed]}	Yes, to indicate membership in the New Covenant.^{[citation needed]}	No	Trinity
Quakers (Religious Society of Friends)	Only an external symbol that is no longer to be practiced.^{[citation needed]}	Do not believe in Baptism of water, but only in an inward, ongoing purification of the human spirit in a life of discipline led by the Holy Spirit.^{[citation needed]}	—	—	—
Revivalism	A necessary step for salvation.	By submersion, with the expectation of receiving the Holy Spirit.	No	Yes	Trinity
Roman Catholic Church	"Necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament"^[17]	Usually by pouring in the West, by submersion or immersion in the East; sprinkling admitted only if the water then flows on the head.^[210]^[211]	Yes	Yes	Trinity
Seventh-day Adventists	Not stated as the prerequisite to salvation, but a prerequisite for the admission to the church. It symbolizes death to sin and new birth in Jesus Christ.^[212]"It affirms joining the family of God and sets on apart for a life of ministry."^[212]	By submersion.^[213]	No	No	Trinity
United Church of Christ (Evangelical and Reformed Churches and the Congregational Christian Churches)	One of two sacraments. Baptism is an outward sign of God's inward grace. It may or may not be necessary for membership in a local congregation. However, it is a common practice for both infants and adults.^{[citation needed]}	By sprinkling, pouring, immersion or submersion.^{[citation needed]}	Yes, to indicate membership in the New Covenant.^{[citation needed]}	No	Trinity
Anabaptist	Baptism is considered by the majority of Anabaptist Churches (anabaptist means to baptize again) to be essential to Christian faith but not to salvation. It is considered a biblical ordinance along with communion, feet washing, the holy kiss, the Christian woman's head covering, anointing with oil, and marriage. The Anabaptists also have stood historically against the practice of infant baptism. The Anabaptists stood firmly against infant baptism in a time when the Church and State were one and when people were made a citizen through baptism into the officially sanctioned Church (Reformed or Catholic). Belief and repentance are believed to precede and follow baptism.^{[citation needed]}	By pouring, immersion or submersion.^{[citation needed]}	No	No	Trinity

Non-religious initiations

Although even the use of water is often absent, the term baptism is also used for various initiations as rite of passage to a walk of secular life.

In Belgium, for example, one word for university pledging is schachtendoop ('pledge baptism') in Dutch or Baptême in French. .It is the traditional way of initiation into student societies (generally gender-mixed) and is accepted by institutions of higher education and sometimes controlled, e.g., by the Belgian universities Université catholique de Louvain and Université Libre de Bruxelles.
^ We do not accept that homosexuals have a right to be included into an Institution wherein they are incapable, by nature of fulfilling the function of that institution.
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In the Brazilian martial art capoeira, an annual promotion ceremony is held, known as a batizado (literally "baptism"). For practitioners participating in their first batizado, it is traditional to receive their Capoeira names at that time, as a mark that they have been received in the community of Capoeiristas. The name is often given by the senior instructor or other senior students, and is largely determined by an individual way they perform a movement, how they look, or something else unique to the individual. Their Capoeira name is often used as a nom de guerre within Capoeira circles, a tradition which dates back to when practicing Capoeira was illegal in Brazil.^{[citation needed]}

Baptism of objects

Christening of USS Dewey

.The word "baptism" or "christening" is sometimes used to describe the inauguration of certain objects for use.^ You just used EXACTLY the right word to describe what Mormons do to other relgiions; they seek to "PREEMPT" them.

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The name Baptism of Bells has been given to the blessing of (musical, especially church) bells, at least in France, since the eleventh century. .It is derived from the washing of the bell with holy water by the bishop, before he anoints it with the oil of the infirm without and with chrism within; a fuming censer is placed under it and the bishop prays that these sacramentals of the Church may, at the sound of the bell, put the demons to flight, protect from storms, and call the faithful to prayer.
Baptism of Ships: at least since the time of the Crusades, rituals have contained a blessing for ships.
^ You are doing more than offering a prayer- you are taking names and performing a ritual- baptism-, and associating it with them.
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^ If you'd like, you can say a prayer or perform a ritual that undoes the LDS baptism for the dead, if it will make you feel better?
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^ The energy in places occupied primarily by Mormons is so oppressive and dense that it can cause depression within minutes of entering the bubble protected world they live in.
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The priest begs God to bless the vessel and protect those who sail in. The ship is usually sprinkled with holy water.^[92]

Endnotes

^ Note that this is an image of baptism by immersion in the sense explained below, distinct from baptism by submersion beneath the water. This mode of baptism continues in the East except for infants, but in the West it had dropped almost completely out of use by the 15th century, and the artist may have chosen an archaic form for this depiction of baptism by St Peter.
^ ^a ^b Liddell, Henry George; Robert Scott, Henry Stuart Jones and Roderick McKenzie (1940). "βαπτίζω". A Greek-English Lexicon. Medford, Massachusetts: Tufts University. ISBN 0-19-864226-1. http://artfl.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.3:4:114.lsj.
^ Ascol, Thomas. "Troubling Waters of Baptism." Founders Ministries. Web: Baptism and Membership
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g Brackney, William H. "Doing Baptism Baptist Style: Believer's Baptism." Baptist History and Heritage Society. July 29, 2009. Online: http://www.baptisthistory.org/pamphlets/baptism.htm
^ Matthew 3:16, Mark 1:9-10, Luke 3:21
^ Schaff, Philip (2009). "Baptism". History of the Christian Church, Volume I: Apostolic Christianity. A.D. 1-100.. http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc1.i.IX.54.html. "The usual form of baptism was immersion…. But sprinkling, also, or copious pouring rather, was practised at an early day with sick and dying persons, and in all such cases where total or partial immersion was impracticable"
^ Fanning, W. (1907). "Baptism". Catholic Encyclopedia. New York City: Robert Appleton Company. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02258b.htm. "The most ancient form usually employed was unquestionably immersion".
^ "Roman Catholicism: Baptism". Encyclopædia Britannica. 2009. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/507284/Roman-Catholicism/43691/Baptism. "Two points of controversy still exist in modern times. One is baptism by pouring or sprinkling water on the head rather than by immersion of the entire body, even though immersion was probably the biblical and early Christian rite"
^ Collins, Adela Yarbro (1995). "The Origin of Christian Baptism". in Maxwell E. Johnson. Living Water, Sealing Spirit: Readings on Christian Initiation. Collegeville Township, Stearns County, Minnesota: Liturgical Press. pp. 35–57. ISBN 0-8146-6140-8. OCLC 31610445. http://books.google.com/books?id=dWx4GGR3jusC&pg=PA35. "The baptism of John did have certain similarities to the ritual washings at Qumran: both involved withdrawal to the desert to await the lord; both were linked to an ascetic lifestyle; both included total immersion in water; and both had an eschatological context"
^ Dau, W. H. T. (1979). "Baptism". in Geoffrey W. Bromiley. International Standard Bible Encyclopedia: A-D. Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. p. 416. ISBN 0-8028-3781-6. OCLC 50333603. http://books.google.com/books?id=wo8csizDv0gC&pg=PA410. "It is to be noted that for pouring another word ‘’(ekcheo)’’ is used, clearly showing that baptizo does not mean pour. …There is thus no doubt that early in the 2nd century some Christians felt baptism was so important that, 'when the real baptism (immersion) could not be performed because of lack of water, a token pouring might be used in its place"
^ France, R. T. (2007). The Gospel of Matthew. Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. p. 109. ISBN 0-8028-2501-X. OCLC 122701585. "The fact that he chose a permanent and deep river suggests that more than a token quantity of water was needed, and both the preposition 'in' (the Jordan) and the basic meaning of the verb 'baptize' probably indicate immersion. In v. 16 Matthew will speak of Jesus 'coming up out of the water.' The traditional depiction in Christian art of John the Baptist pouring water over Jesus' head may therefore be based on later Christian practice"
^ Warfield, Benjamin Breckinridge. "The Archæology of the Mode of Baptism". http://www.lgmarshall.org/Warfield/warfield_modebaptism.html. "We may then probably assume that normal patristic baptism was by a trine immersion upon a standing catechumen, and that this immersion was completed either by lowering the candidate's head beneath the water, or (possibly more commonly) by raising the water over his head and pouring it upon it"
^ While in some places and in certain circumstances total immersion very likely was practiced, all the evidence (and there is much more) points to baptism in most cases by partial immersion, or affusion (dunking of the head or pouring water over the head, typically when the baptizand was standing in the baptismal pool). Here the words of St. John Chrysostom might be noted: "It is as in a tomb that we immerse our heads in the water… then when we lift our heads back the new man comes forth" (On John 25.2, PG 59:151). In a word, while early Christians were very attentive to symbolism relating to baptism (cf. the funerary shape of the baptistry building; the steps, typically three, for descending and rising from the font; the iconography relating to regeneration, etc.), they show few signs of preoccupation with total immersion. (Father John Erickson in St Vladimir's Theological Quarterly, 41, 77 (1997), quoted in The Byzantine Forum)
^ McGuckin, John Anthony (2004). "Baptism". The Westminster handbook to patristic theology. Louisville, Kentucky: Westminster John Knox Press. pp. 41–44. ISBN 0-664-22396-6. OCLC 52858567. http://books.google.com/books?id=u4i8jv0b7IkC&pg=PA41. "Eastern tradition strongly defended the practice of three-fold immersion under the waters, but Latin practice increasingly came to use a sprinkling of water on the head (also mentioned in Didache 7 if there was not sufficient water for immersion.)"
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h Bowker, John (1999). The Oxford Dictionary of World Religions. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-866242-4. OCLC 60181672.
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ Cross, Frank Leslie; Elizabeth A. Livingstone (2005). "Baptism". The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church. Oxford: Oxford University Press. pp. 151–154. ISBN 0-19-280290-9. OCLC 58998735.
^ ^a ^b ^c "The Necessity of Baptism". Catechism of the Catholic Church. Vatican Publishing House. 1993. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P3M.HTM. Retrieved February 24, 2009.
^ For instance, the Roman Catholic Church: 1,100,000,000; the Eastern Orthodox Church: 225,000,000; most of the 77,000,000 members of the Anglican Communion; Lutherans and others (Religious Bodies of the World with at Least 1 Million Adherents; Major Denominational Families of Christianity). See also Worldwide Adherents of All Religions by Six Continental Areas, Mid-1995
^ Joseph P. Pickett, ed (2000). "baptism". The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (Fourth ed.). Boston: Houghton Mifflin. ISBN 0-395-82517-2. http://www.bartleby.com/61/62/B0066200.html. Retrieved February 24, 2009.
^ 'In the Sept.: 2 Kgs. 5:13, 14 we have loúō (3068), to bathe and baptízomai. See also 28, 40;&version=TNIV; Lev. 11:25, 28, 40, where plúnō (4150), to wash clothes by dipping, and loúō (3068), to bathe are used. In 19;&version=TNIV; Num. 19:18, 19, báphō, to dip, and plúnō, to wash by dipping are used', Zodhiates, S. (2000, c1992, c1993). The Complete Word Study Dictionary : New Testament (electronic ed.) (G908). Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers.
^ 'In the LXX βάπτειν (βαπτίζειν occurs only at 4 Βασ. 5:14) as a rendering of טָבַל, “to dip,” is used for the dipping of the morsel in wine at Ru. 2:14, of feet in the river at Jos. 3:15, of the finger in blood in the Torah of sacrifices at Lv. 4:6, 17 etc., of the dipping of unsanctified vessels in water in the laws of purification at Lv. 11:32 (בא hiph)', Theological dictionary of the New Testament. 1964-c1976. Vols. 5-9 edited by Gerhard Friedrich. Vol. 10 compiled by Ronald Pitkin. (G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley & G. Friedrich, Ed.) (electronic ed.) (1:535). Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.
^ 'Ex 12,22; Lv 4,6.17; 9,9; 11,32 to immerse sth in sth [τι εἴς τι] Lv 9,9; id. [τι ἔν τινι] Dt 33,24; id. [τι ἀπό τινος] Ex 12,22; to plunge or to dip sb in sth [τινα ἔν τινι] Jb 9,31', Lust, J., Eynikel, E., & Hauspie, K. (2003). A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint : Revised Edition. Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft: Stuttgart.
^ 'In Mark 7:3, the phrase “wash their hands” is the translation of níptō (3538), to wash part of the body such as the hands. In Mark 7:4 the verb wash in “except they wash” is baptízomai, to immerse. This indicates that the washing of the hands was done by immersing them in collected water. See Luke 11:38 which refers to washing one’s hands before the meal, with the use of baptízomai, to have the hands baptized.', Zodhiates, S. (2000, c1992, c1993). The Complete Word Study Dictionary : New Testament (electronic ed.) (G907). Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers.
^ 'The NT uses βάπτω only in the literal sense, in Lk 16:24; Jn 13:26 for “to dip in,” and in Rev. 19:13 for “to dye”.', Theological dictionary of the New Testament. 1964-c1976. Vols. 5-9 edited by Gerhard Friedrich. Vol. 10 compiled by Ronald Pitkin. (G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley & G. Friedrich, Ed.) (electronic ed.) (1:530). Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.
^ ' to dip something in a liquid, dip, dip in J 13:26', Zodhiates, S. (2000, c1992, c1993). The complete word study dictionary : New Testament (electronic ed.) (G907). Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers.
^ 'βάπτω fut. βάψω; 1aor. ἔβαψα; pf. pass. ptc. βεβαμμένος; (1) dip in or under, immerse in a liquid (LU 16.24); (2) as coloring cloth dip into dye, dye (RV 19.13)', Friberg, T., Friberg, B., & Miller, N. F. (2000). Vol. 4: Analytical lexicon of the Greek New Testament. Baker's Greek New Testament library (87). Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Books.
^ '970 βάπτω (baptō): vb.; ≡ DBLHebr 3188; Str 911; TDNT 1.529—LN 47.11 dip in (Lk 16:24; Jn 13:26(2×); Rev 19:13+)', Swanson, J. (1997). Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Greek (New Testament) (electronic ed.) (DBLG 970). Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
^ Theological dictionary of the New Testament. 1964-c1976. Vols. 5-9 edited by Gerhard Friedrich. Vol. 10 compiled by Ronald Pitkin. (G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley & G. Friedrich, Ed.) (electronic ed.) (1:535). Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.
^ Luke 11:38
^ A. A. Hodge,Outlines of Theology 1992 ISBN 0851511600, 9780851511603 quoted in Bremmer, Michael (September 7, 2001). "The Mode of Baptism". Archived from the original on January 26, 2002. http://web.archive.org/web/20020126072506/http://mbrem.com/baptism/aabap.htm. Retrieved February 25, 2009.
^ Naumann, Bertram (2006). "The Sacrament of Baptism". in Paul Naumann. Learn From Me. Church of the Lutheran Confession. http://www.clclutheran.org/lfm/lfm12.pdf. Retrieved February 24, 2009.
^ Brom, Robert H. (August 10, 2004). "Baptism: Immersion Only?". Catholic Answers. http://www.catholic.com/library/Baptism_Immersion_Only.asp. Retrieved February 24, 2009.
^ Drachman, Bernard; Kaufmann Kohler. "Ablution". in Cyrus Adler. Jewish Encyclopedia. http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?letter=A&artid=338.
^ 'Washing or ablution was frequently by immersion, indicated by either baptízō or níptō (3538), to wash. In Mark 7:3, the phrase “wash their hands” is the translation of níptō (3538), to wash part of the body such as the hands. In Mark 7:4 the verb wash in “except they wash” is baptízomai, to immerse. This indicates that the washing of the hands was done by immersing them in collected water.', Zodhiates, S. (2000, c1992, c1993). The Complete Word Study Dictionary : New Testament (electronic ed.) (G908). Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers.
^ 'Mark 7:4 [v.l. in v. 8]; here βαπτίσωνται appears in place of ῥαντίσωνται in Koine D Θ pl, giving βαπτίζω the meaning of βάπτω', Balz, H. R., & Schneider, G. (1990-c1993). Exegetical dictionary of the New Testament. Translation of: Exegetisches Worterbuch zum Neuen Testament. (1:195). Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans.
^ 'Βάπτω dip, immerse', Balz, H. R., & Schneider, G. (1990-c1993). Exegetical dictionary of the New Testament. Translation of: Exegetisches Worterbuch zum Neuen Testament. (1:195). Grand Rapids, Mich.: Eerdmans.
^ 'βάπτω; ἐμβάπτω: to dip an object in a liquid—‘to dip in.’', Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996, c1989). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (1:522). New York: United Bible societies.
^ "In the LXX βάπτειν…is used for the dipping of the morsel in wine at Ju. 2:14, …of the finger in blood in the Torah of sacrifices at Lv. 4:6, 17 etc.", Theological dictionary of the New Testament. 1964-c1976. Vols. 5-9 edited by Gerhard Friedrich. Vol. 10 compiled by Ronald Pitkin. (G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley & G. Friedrich, Ed.) (electronic ed.) (1:535). Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.
^ ^a ^b Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, (3rd ed.) (165). Chicago: University of Chicago Press
^ ^a ^b ^c Friberg, T., Friberg, B., & Miller, N. F. (2000). Vol. 4: Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament. Baker's Greek New Testament Library (87). Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Books.
^ Theological Dictionary of the New Testament. 1964-c1976. Vols. 5-9 edited by Gerhard Friedrich. Vol. 10 compiled by Ronald Pitkin. (G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley & G. Friedrich, Ed.) (electronic ed.) (1:545). Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.
^ See http://www.bibelwissenschaft.de/online-bibeln/novum-testamentum-graece-na-27/lesen-im-bibeltext/bibelstelle/Kol%202/cache/d3cb350c68/#v12 Nestle-Aland 27th (latest) edition.
^ ^a ^b Zodhiates, S. (2000, c1992, c1993). The Complete Word Study Dictionary : New Testament (electronic ed.) (G908). Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers.
^ Matthew 3:7, Matthew 21:25; Mark 1:4, Mark 11:30; Luke 3:3, Luke 7:29, Luke 20:4; Acts 1:22, Acts 10:37, Acts 13:24, Acts 18:25, Acts 19:3-4)
^ Romans 6:4, Ephesians 4:5, 1Peter 3:21
^ Matthew 20:22-23, Mark 10:38-39, Luke 12:50
^ Stoltz, Eric (2005). "A Christian Glossary: Baptism". The Abraham Project. http://www.theabrahamproject.com/resources/glossary-christian.html. Retrieved February 25, 2009.
^ Pongratz-Lippitt, Christa (May 5, 2007). "Churches mutually recognise baptisms". The Tablet. http://www.thetablet.co.uk/article/9737. Retrieved February 25, 2009.
^ SDA Church Manual, 2005, pp. 42-3
^ sacrament (2009). In Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved May 20, 2009, from Encyclopædia Britannica Online: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/515366/sacrament
^ Cross, Frank Leslie; Elizabeth A. Livingstone (2005). "John the Baptist". The Oxford dictionary of the Christian Church. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-280290-9. OCLC 58998735.
^ ^a ^b ^c Funk, Robert W. (1998). "John the Baptist". The Acts of Jesus: The Search for the Authentic Deeds of Jesus. San Francisco: HarperSanFrancisco. p. 268. ISBN 0-06-062978-9. OCLC 37854370.
^ Chadwick, Henry (2001). "John Baptist". The Church in Ancient Society: From Galilee to Gregory the Great. Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 12. ISBN 0-19-924695-5. OCLC 191826204.
^ ^a ^b Theissen, Gerd; Annette Merz (1998). The Historical Jesus: A Comprehensive Guide. Minneapolis: Fortress Press. pp. 209, 377. ISBN 0-8006-3122-6. OCLC 38590348.
^ Lichtenberger, Herman (1999). "Syncretistic Features in Jewish and Jewish-Christian Baptism Movements". in James D. G. Dunn. Jews and Christians: The Parting of the Ways, A.D. 70 to 135. Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. p. 87. ISBN 0-8028-4498-7. OCLC 40433122. http://books.google.com/books?id=9zCh9SBb6Y8C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0#PPA85,M1. Retrieved January 19, 2009.
^ ^a ^b Dapaah, Daniel S. (2005). The relationship between John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth: a critical study. Washington, D.C.: University Press of America. pp. 86–88. ISBN 0-7618-3109-6. OCLC 60342941.
^ See, e.g., the summary of such opinions by Raymond E. Brown, The Gospel according to John (i-xii): Introduction, translation, and notes (2nd ed.), in The Anchor Bible, Volume 29 (Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1966), pp. 164-165, 188-189.
^ Sanders, E. P. (1993). The Historical Figure of Jesus. London: Allen Lane. ISBN 0-7139-9059-7. OCLC 30112315.
^ ^a ^b Funk, Robert W. (1998). "John". The Acts of Jesus: The Search for the Authentic Deeds of Jesus. San Francisco: HarperSanFrancisco. pp. 365–440. ISBN 0-06-062978-9. OCLC 37854370.
^ Colin G. Kruse, The Gospel according to John: an Introduction and Commentary (Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, 2004), p. 119
^ Dapaah, Daniel S. The Relationship between John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth: A Critical Study. University Press of America, 2005, p. 98
^ [Markus Bockmuel (ed.), The Cambridge Companion to Jesus (Cambridge University Press 2001 ISBN 9780521796781), p. 27
^ Tomson, Peter J. (2001). "Jesus and His Judaism". in Markus Bockmuehl. The Cambridge Companion to Jesus. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 27. ISBN 0-521-79678-4. http://books.google.com/books?id=vSehrtQpcYcC&pg=PA25.
^ Cambridge Companion, p. 40
^ Cambridge Companion, p. 30
^ Chilton, Bruce (2001). "Friends and enemies". in Markus Bockmuehl. The Cambridge Companion to Jesus. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 75. ISBN 0-521-79678-4. http://books.google.com/books?id=vSehrtQpcYcC&pg=PA25.
^ Raymond Edward Brown, The Gospel and Epistles of John: a Concise Commentary, p. 3,
^ Joel B. Green, Scot McKnight, I. Howard Marshall, Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels: A Compendium of Contemporary Biblical Scholarship. InterVarsity Press, 1992, p. 375: "Simply because information is found only in John is no reason to discard it as of no historical value … Scholars consider it probable, for example, that Jesus' ministry lasted two to three years (as John implies), that he was in and out of Jerusalem (as the other Gospels hint, e.g., Luke 13:34, that some of his disciples were first disciples of John the Baptist, ^{[Lk 1:35-37]} and that Jesus and his disciples conducted a ministry of baptism."
^ Dwight Moody Smith|Smith, D. Moody, R. Alan Culpepper, C. Clifton Black. Exploring the Gospel of John: In Honor of D. Moody Smith. Westminster John Knox Press, 1996, p. 28: "There are items only in John that are likely to be historical and ought to be given due weight. Jesus' first disciples may once have been followers of the Baptist (cf. John 1:35-42)"
^ Daniel S. Dapaah, The Relationship between John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth: A Critical Study (University Press of America, 2005): "We propose to defend the historicity of this piece of Johannine material. We shall argue that the Johannine evidence of Jesus' baptizing activity may be a snippet of historical tradition, as there is no discernible theological agenda behind that piece of information. Moreover, the synoptists' silence may be explained, among others, by the supposition that the Evangelists were embarrassed by the event and that reference to the rite was unnecessary in a baptizing church" (p. 7). "The absence of Jesus' baptizing ministry in the synoptic Gospels does not mean that the Johannine detail is not authentic, neither does it suggest that the synoptists invented the story that John was out of action when Jesus arived on the scene.(Mark 1:14 and par) The Marcan tradition, for example, which is chronologically earlier than the Fourth Gospel, suggests that Jesus was so close to John that Jesus moved to Galilee to embark on an independent ministry when John was imprisoned. It appears that John and Jesus initially worked together, an event which the Fourth Evangelist makes explicit" (p. 98).
^ The Beginnings of the Church (Paulist Press 1988), pp. 55: "This text from the fourth gospel gives the impression that when John was no longer at Bethany (Jn 3:23; cf. 1:28) Jesus— accompanied by former disciples of John—— was himself in the Jordan area conducting a ministry of baptism. When Jesus left the area of Judea and began his ministry in Galilee he evidently abandoned his baptizing ministry and concentrated on preaching and teaching."
^ Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible, St. John Chapter 4
^ Dapaah, Daniel S. The Relationship between John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth: A Critical Study. University Press of America, 2005, p. 97
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^ Harris, Stephen L., Understanding the Bible. Palo Alto: Mayfield. 1985. "John" pp. 302-310.
^ May, Herbert Gordon; Bruce Metzger (1977). The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha. Oxford: Oxford University Press. pp. 1213–1239. ISBN 0-19-528348-1. OCLC 3145429.
^ ^a ^b ^c Funk, Robert W. (1998). "Matthew". The Acts of Jesus: The Search for the Authentic Deeds of Jesus. San Francisco: HarperSanFrancisco. pp. 129–270. ISBN 0-06-062978-9. OCLC 37854370.
^ ^a ^b ^c Harris, Stephen L. (1985). Understanding the Bible: A Reader's Introduction. Palo Alto, California: Mayfield Publishing Company. pp. 266–268. ISBN 0-87484-696-X. OCLC 12042593.
^ ^a ^b Funk, Robert Walter; Roy W. Hoover (1993). "Stages in the Development of Early Christian Tradition". The Five Gospels: The Search for the Authentic Words of Jesus : New Translation and Commentary. New York City: Macmillan Publishers. p. 128. ISBN 0-02-541949-8. OCLC 28421734.
^ Strang, Veronica (1997). "Water in the Church". The Meaning of Water. Berg Publishers. p. 91. ISBN 1-85973-753-6. http://books.google.com/books?id=A2KNb4x8O6UC&pg=PA90. "Fonts and baptisteries were constructed with taps and channels to ensure that they were supplied with moving water,which, as Schmemann points out, is symbolically crucial: 'The early Christian prescription is to baptize in living water. This is not merely a technical term denoting running water as distinct from standing water… it is this understanding that determined the form and theology of the baptismal font… The characteristic feature of the "baptistery" was that water was carried into it by a conduit, thus remaining "living water".'"
^ "(7:1) Concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. (7:2) But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. (7:3) But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit." Didache, chapter 7.
^ Metzger, Marcel (1997). "The Order of Baptism in the Didache". History of the Liturgy: The Major Stages. Collegeville: Liturgical Press. pp. 25–26. ISBN 0-8146-2433-2. http://books.google.com/books?id=z6V2wb2ckPcC&pg=PA25. "The Didache recognizes the superior value of running water for the baptismal immersion but does not impose it as a necessary condition… The regulations of the Didache also forsee the case in which immersion is impossible for lack of water and prescribe baptism by pouring water three times on the candidate's head."
^ ^a ^b Lacoste, Jean-Yves (2005). Encyclopedia of Christian Theology: G – O. Milton Park: Routledge. p. 1607. ISBN 0-5795-8250-8. "According to the Didache (1st century), baptism should be done by a triple immersion in running water."
^ ^a ^b Meeks, Wayne A. (2006). "Baptism: ritual of initiation". in Margaret Mary Mitchell and Frances Margaret Young. The Cambridge History of Christianity. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. pp. 160–161. ISBN 0-521-81239-9. http://books.google.com/books?id=6UTfmw_zStsC&pg=PA160. "The Didache, representing practice perhaps as early as the beginning of the second century, probably in Syria, also assumes immersion to be normal, but it allows that if sufficient water for immersion is not at hand, water may be poured three times over the head (7:3)."
^ Dau, W. H. T. (1995). "Baptism". in Geoffrey W. Bromiley. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia: A – D. Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. p. 419. ISBN 0-8028-3781-6. http://books.google.com/books?id=BW_1mt4oebQC&pg=PA410. "This seems to say that to baptize by immersion was the practice recommended for general use, but that the mode of affusion was also valid and enjoined on occasions".
^ Dau, W. H. T. (1995). "Baptism". in Geoffrey W. Bromiley. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia: A – D. Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. p. 417. ISBN 0-8028-3781-6. http://books.google.com/books?id=BW_1mt4oebQC&pg=PA410. "It is frankly admitted by paedo-baptist scholars that the NT gives no warrant for infant baptism".
^ Bromiley, Geoffrey William (1985). "baptizo". in Gerhard Kittel and Gerhard Friedrich. Theological dictionary of the New Testament. Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. p. 94. ISBN 0-8028-2404-8. OCLC 11840605. http://books.google.com/books?id=ltZBUW_F9ogC&pg=PA92. "Infant baptism, which cannot be supported from NT examples…"
^ Miller, Randolph A. (2002). A Historical and Theological Look at the Doctrine of Christian Baptism. iUniverse. p. 140. ISBN 9780595215317. "It is often maintained that the Didache, a very early second-century document describing the practices of the first-century church, including baptism, knows nothing of infant baptism and excludes the possibility of it in the early church because of the fasting and confession of the candidate mentioned in the text."
^ Williams, J. Rodman (1996). Renewal Theology: Systematic Theology from a Charismatic Perspective. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan. p. 236. ISBN 9780310209140. OCLC 36621651. "For example, the Didache has a section on baptism (as we have seen) that concludes with this statement: 'And before the baptism, let the one baptizing and the one who is to be baptized fast. …Also, you must instruct the one who is to be baptized to fast for one or two days beforehand' (The Apostolic Fathers 7:4). Obviously none of this is applicable to infants"
^ Wiley, Tatha (2002). Original sin: origins, developments, contemporary meanings. New York City: Paulist Press. p. 38. ISBN 0-8091-4128-0. OCLC 50404061. "The Didache’s assumption of adult baptism offers evidence that its author did not suppose human beings were in need of divine forgiveness from birth"
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e Fanning, William (1907). "Baptism". Catholic Encyclopedia. New York City: Robert Appleton Company. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02258b.htm. Retrieved February 24, 2009.
^ ^a ^b catechumen. (2009). In Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved May 20, 2009, from Encyclopædia Britannica Online: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/99350/catechumen
^ Cross, Frank Leslie; Elizabeth A. Livingstone (2005). "Nicene Creed". The Oxford dictionary of the Christian Church. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-280290-9. OCLC 58998735.
^ Cross, Frank Leslie; Elizabeth A. Livingstone (2005). "Sacrament". The Oxford dictionary of the Christian Church. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-280290-9. OCLC 58998735.
^ Ristow, Sebastian (2005). "Baptismal Font from the Cologne Baptistery". Cologne Cathedral. http://www.koelner-dom.de/17216.html?&L=1. Retrieved February 24, 2009.
^ The words "matter" and "form" are not found in the index, nor do they appear in the definition of the sacraments given in section 1131. A search of the electronic form of the book finds no instance of the word "matter", and finds "form" only in the section 1434, headed "The Many Forms of Penance in Christian Life", which is not about the sacraments.
^ "Baptism and Its Purpose". Lutheran Church – Missouri Synod. http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2607. Retrieved February 24, 2009.
^ Luther, Martin (2009) [1529]. "The Sacrament of Holy Baptism". Luther's Small Catechism. http://www.bookofconcord.org/smallcatechism.html#baptism. Retrieved February 24, 2009.
^ Luther, Martin (2009) [1529]. "Of Infant Baptism". Luther's Large Catechism. http://www.bookofconcord.org/largecatechism/6_baptism.html. Retrieved February 24, 2009.
^ Erwin Fahlbusch, Geoffrey William Bromiley, David B. Barrett, The encyclopedia of Christianity (Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, 1999 ISBN 0802824137), p. 562
^ Didache, chapter 7: "Pour out water three times upon the head".
^ http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=immersion
^ John Piper, ed. "1689 Baptist Catechism". http://www.desiringgod.org/AboutUs/OurDistinctives/ABaptistCatechism/. Retrieved 3 February 2010.
^ ^a ^b Cross, Frank Leslie; Elizabeth A. Livingstone (2005). "Immersion". The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church. Oxford and New York: Oxford University Press. p. 827. ISBN 0-19-280290-9. OCLC 58998735.
^ ^a ^b Study published on the website of Pinehurst United Methodist Church
^ In scientific contexts the two words are often understood as mutually exclusive. Examples are found in mathematics (see Ralph Abraham, Jerrold E. Marsden, Tudor S. Ra iu, Manifolds, Tensor Analysis, and Applications, p. 196 and Klaus Fritzsche, Hans Grauert, From Holomorphic Functions to Complex Manifolds, p.168), in medicine (Effect of immersion, submersion, and scuba diving on heart rate variability), and language learning (Immersion in a Second Language in School).
^ [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02274a.htm Catholic Encyclopedia, article Baptismal Font
^ http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/submerge
^ Cross, Frank Leslie; Elizabeth A. Livingstone (2005). "Submersion". The Oxford dictionary of the Christian Church. Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 1563. ISBN 0-19-280290-9. OCLC 58998735. , p. 1563; cf. Wilson, Louis Charles (1895). The History of Sprinkling. Cincinnati: Standard Publishing. OCLC 4759559.
^ Official Website of the Southern Baptist Convention Basic Beliefs, subheading "Baptism & the Lord's Supper". Retrieved 2009–04–08.
^ such as Colossians 2:12–13 and Romans 6:2–13
^ William H. Brackney. "Believer's Baptism." Baptist History and Heritage Society.June 18, 2009. http://www.baptisthistory.org/pamphlets/baptism.htm
^ Disciples.org, copyrighted Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) Baptism, retrieved 2009–04–08, "Just as the baptism represents the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, it symbolizes the death and burial of the old self of the repentant believer, and the joyous birth of a brand new being in Christ."
^ Disciples.org The Christian Church (Disciples of Christ): A Reformed North American Mainstream Moderate Denomination, retrieved 2009–04–08, "Our traditions of Baptism and the Lord’s Supper are ecumenical. While practicing believer’s immersion, most congregations affirm the baptisms of other churches."
^ ^a ^b ^c Stuart M. Matlins, Arthur J. Magida, J. Magida, How to Be a Perfect Stranger: A Guide to Etiquette in Other People's Religious Ceremonies, Wood Lake Publishing Inc., 1999, ISBN 1896836283, 9781896836287, 426 pages, Chapter 6— Churches of Christ
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e Ron Rhodes, The Complete Guide to Christian Denominations, Harvest House Publishers, 2005, ISBN 0-7369-1289-4
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Batsell Barrett Baxter, Who are the churches of Christ and what do they believe in? Available on-line in a Archive copy at the Internet Archive, and here, here and here
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g Tom J. Nettles, Richard L. Pratt, Jr., John H. Armstrong, Robert Kolb, Understanding Four Views on Baptism, Zondervan, 2007, ISBN 0310262674, 9780310262671, 222 pages
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^ Brochure: "Jehovah's Witnesses—Who Are They? What Do They Believe?", p. 13 [1]
^ Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture 20 (On the Mysteries. II. of Baptism) Romans 6:3-14 http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/310120.htm
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j ^k ^l Douglas Allen Foster and Anthony L. Dunnavant, The Encyclopedia of the Stone-Campbell Movement: Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), Christian Churches/Churches of Christ, Churches of Christ, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, 2004, ISBN 0802838987, 9780802838988, 854 pages, entry on Baptism
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^ Code of Canon Law, canon 869; cf. New Commentary on the Code of Canon Law By John P. Beal, James A. Coriden, Thomas J., pp. 1057-1059.
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^ "Questions From Readers", The Watchtower, May 1, 1959, p. 288, "Thus, when Christ was enthroned as King A.D. 1914 it was not necessary for all true Christians to be rebaptized in recognition of his ruling position."
^ "Jehovah’s Witnesses Endure for His Sovereign Godship", The Watchtower, September 15, 1966, p. 560, "In the decades of restoration since 1919, right-hearted clergymen of various religious sects in different parts of the earth have repentantly accepted the priesthood services of the anointed remnant of Job-like ones by becoming rebaptized and ordained as true ministers of Jehovah."
^ "True Christianity Is Flourishing", The Watchtower, March 1, 2004, p. 7 As retrieved April 9, 2009, "While Christendom's theologians, missionaries, and churchgoers continue to grapple with the gathering storm of controversy in their churches, true Christianity is flourishing worldwide. Indeed, true Christians…invite you to join Jehovah's Witnesses in united Christian worship of the only true God, Jehovah."
^ Jehovah's Witnesses— Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, publ Jehovah's Witnesses, "Chapter 31: How Chosen and Led by God", p. 706, "Clearly, when the time of the end began in 1914, none of the churches of Christendom were measuring up to these Bible standards for the one true Christian congregation. What, though, about the Bible Students, as Jehovah’s Witnesses were then known?"
^ ^a ^b "The Minister of Baptism". Code of Canon Law. Vatican Publishing House. 1983. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P2W.HTM. Retrieved February 25, 2009.
^ "Parishes, Pastors, and Parochial Vicars". Code of Canon Law. Vatican Publishing House. 1983. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P1U.HTM. Retrieved February 25, 2009.
^ "Canon 677". Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches. 1990. http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG1199/__PIT.HTM. Retrieved February 26, 2009.
^ Ware, Kallistos (1964). The Orthodox Church. New York City: Penguin Books. p. 285.
^ "Aaronic Priesthood", Priesthood and Auxiliary Leaders’ Guidebook, © 1992, 2001 by Intellectual Reserve, Inc., As Retrieved September 16, 2009, "Brethren who hold the Aaronic Priesthood have authority to perform certain priesthood ordinances. Priests may perform baptisms"
^ ^a ^b ^c "Questions From Readers", The Watchtower, August 1, 1973, page 480, "In connection with baptism, it may also be noted that a baptism may be performed by a dedicated male even though no other human witnesses are present."
^ "The General Priesthood Today", The Watchtower, March 1, 1963, page 147, "Because he is a minister, any competent male member is called on to perform funerals, baptisms and weddings, and to conduct the service in annual commemoration of the Lord’s death."
^ ^a ^b London Baptist Confession of 1644. Web: [http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/bc1644.htm London Baptist Confession of 1644. 29 Dec 2009
^ Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-12; Romans 6
^ ^a ^b "The Baptist Faith and Message," Southern Baptist Convention. Adopted, June 14, 2000. Accessed July 29, 2009: http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#vii
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d V. E. Howard, What Is the Church of Christ? 4th Edition (Revised) Central Printers & Publishers, West Monroe, Louisiana, 1971
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Rees Bryant, Baptism, Why Wait?: Faith's Response in Conversion, College Press, 1999, ISBN 0899008585, 9780899008585, 224 pages
^ Edward C. Wharton, The Church of Christ: The Distinctive Nature of the New Testament Church, Gospel Advocate Co., 1997, ISBN 0-89225-464-5
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g Everett Ferguson, The Church of Christ: A Biblical Ecclesiology for Today, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, 1996, ISBN 0802841899, 9780802841896, 443 pages
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Douglas A. Foster, "Churches of Christ and Baptism: An Historical and Theological Overview," Restoration Quarterly, Volume 43/Number 2 (2001)
^ ^a ^b Douglas Allen Foster and Anthony L. Dunnavant, The Encyclopedia of the Stone-Campbell Movement: Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), Christian Churches/Churches of Christ, Churches of Christ, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, 2004, ISBN 0802838987, 9780802838988, 854 pages, entry on Regeneration
^ KJV, italics inserted.
^ ^a ^b "Code of Canon Law, canon 849". Intratext.com. May 4, 2007. http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0017/_P2T.HTM. Retrieved February 25, 2009.
^ Ordo initiationis christanae adultorum, editio typica, Vatican City, Typis polyglottis vaticanis, 1972, pg 92, cf Lateran IV De Fide Catholica, DS 802, cf Florence, Decretum pro Armeniis, DS , 1317.
^ cf. Catechism, 1260
^ Jet magazine, Aug 4, 1955, page 26 Online.
^ Organized to Do Jehovah's Will, published by Jehovah's Witnesses, page 215, "Baptisms are usually performed at assemblies and conventions of Jehovah’s Witnesses."
^ Organized to Do Jehovah's Will, published by Jehovah's Witnesses, page 182.
^ Organized to Do Jehovah's Will, published by Jehovah's Witnesses, page 217-218.
^ Watchtower June 1, 1985
^ ^a ^b "Questions From Readers", The Watchtower, November 15, 1986, page 31
^ The Watchtower, May 15, 1970, page 309.
^ "The General Priesthood Today", The Watchtower, March 1, 1963, page 147
^ "Questions From Readers", The Watchtower, August 1, 1973, pages 479-480
^ "Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands", 1987 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses, page 71
^ Duties and Blessings of the Priesthood: Basic Manual for Priesthood Holders, Part B: Performing Priesthood Ordinances, §Baptism.
^ See, e.g., Guide to the Scriptures: Baptism, Baptize, §Proper authority.
^ See, e.g., Bible Dictionary: Baptism, ¶2.
^ See Doctrine and Covenants 68:25, 27.
^ See Book of Mormon, Moroni 8:4-23.
^ http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=1ec52f2324d98010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____ Baptisms for the Dead
^ "Apology, Proposition 12". Qhpress.org. http://www.qhpress.org/texts/barclay/apology/prop12.html. Retrieved July 28, 2009.
^ "Why does The Salvation Army not baptise or hold communion?". The Salvation Army. February 28, 1987. http://www1.salvationarmy.org.uk/uki/www_uki.nsf/vw-print/C28E39B2CA06E8F98025708A003D9FAC?openDocument. Retrieved July 28, 2009.
^ Havard, David M.. "Are We Hyper-Dispensationalists?". Berean Bible Society. http://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/articles/1011392439.html. Retrieved January 19, 2009.
^ Luke 3:16, John 1:33, Matt 3:11Acts 1:5
^ Ephesians 5:26; Acts 19:1-5
^ Matthew 3:12, Luke 3:17, [2]
^ Apuleius (1998). "11.23.1". The golden ass, or, Metamorphoses. trans. E. J. Kenney. New York City: Penguin Books. pp. 208–209. ISBN 0-14-043590-5. OCLC 41174027. http://books.google.com/books?id=EF44Zv5yFUcC&pg=PA208.
^ Hartman, Lars (1997). Into the Name of the Lord Jesus: Baptism in the Early Church. Edinburgh: T&T Clark. p. 4. ISBN 0-567-08589-9. OCLC 38189287.
^ Siddique Katiya. "Cleanliness in Islam, abulation wadu Seven pre-requisites of Prayer". As-sidq.org. http://www.as-sidq.org/ghusul.htm. Retrieved February 25, 2009.
^ Sura 2:138
^ "US Grand Lodge, OTO: Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica". Oto-usa.org. March 19, 1933. http://www.oto-usa.org/egc.html. Retrieved February 25, 2009.
^ "Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica: Baptism: Adult". Hermetic.com. http://www.hermetic.com/sabazius/bapadult.htm. Retrieved February 25, 2009.
^ Good News. Issue 3. St Louis, MO. 2003. p 18-19
^ ^a ^b "The Thirty-Nine Articles". Anglicans Online. April 15, 2007. http://anglicansonline.org/basics/thirty-nine_articles.html. Retrieved February 25, 2009.
^ "The Baptist Faith & Message". Southern Baptist Convention. June 14, 2000. http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp. Retrieved February 25, 2009.
^ Huston, David A. (2003). "Speaking in Tongues in the Church: A Look at the Purpose of Spiritual Utterances". Rosh Pinnah Publications. http://www.gloriouschurch.com/html/Speaking-In-Tongues-In-The-Church.asp. Retrieved February 25, 2009.
^ Huston, David A. (2003). "Questions and Answers about The Doctrine of the Oneness of God". Rosh Pinnah Publications. http://www.gloriouschurch.com/html/Oneness-Questions-And-Answers.asp. Retrieved February 25, 2009.
^ "Baptism". http://thechristadelphians.org/htm/pamphletz/p0004m.htm. Retrieved August 22, 2007.
^ "Baptism". Bible Q & A. 2001. http://www.christadelphia.org/pamphlet/p_bibleqa.htm#20. Retrieved August 22, 2007.
^ Levin, David. "Forgiveness". http://www.god-so-loved-the-world.org/english/levin_forgiveness.htm. Retrieved August 22, 2007.
^ Norris, Alfred (November 12, 2006). "His Cross and Yours". http://www.god-so-loved-the-world.org/english/norris_hiscrossandyours.htm. Retrieved August 22, 2007.
^ ^a ^b Morgan, Tecwyn (2006). "What Exactly is Christian Baptism?". Understand the Bible for Yourself. Christadelphian Bible Mission. http://www.god-so-loved-the-world.org/english/morgan_utb14_what_exactly_is_christian_baptism.pdf. Retrieved February 26, 2009.
^ "Why does the church of Christ baptize only by immersion?" Web: [http://www.church-of-christ.org/who.html#baptism Why does the church of Christ baptize only by immersion?
^ "Topic Definition— Baptism". The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 2008. http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=1af539b439c98010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____. Retrieved February 25, 2009.
^ See Guide to the Scriptures: God, Godhead for a more thorough Latter-day Saint explanation of the Godhead with scripture references.
^ Worship the Only True God, published by Jehovah's Witnesses (2002, 2006), "Chapter 12: The Meaning of Your Baptism", p. 118, "It would be a mistake to conclude that baptism is in itself a guarantee of salvation. It has value only if a person has truly dedicated himself to Jehovah through Jesus Christ and thereafter carries out God’s will, being faithful to the end."
^ "Questions From Readers", The Watchtower, May 1, 1979, p. 31, "The Bible shows that baptism by complete immersion is very important. So even when unusual steps are necessary because of a person’s condition, he should be baptized if at all possible. …In modern times Jehovah’s Witnesses have arranged for baptisms at conventions. [However], fully valid baptisms have even been performed locally in large home bathtubs. …Of course, it might be that in some extreme case baptism would seem absolutely impossible for the time being. Then we trust that our merciful heavenly Father will understand".
^ LCMS Baptism Regeneration, Retrieved 18 December 2009
^ ELCA Baptism Methods, Retrieved 18 December 2009
^ LCMS Baptism Methods, Retrieved 18 December 2009
^ ELCA Infant Baptism views, Retrieved 18 December 2009
^ ^a ^b LCMS Infant Baptism views, Retrieved 18 December 2009
^ http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Statement_of_Fundamental_Truths/sft_full.cfm
^ Scott Hahn, Leon J. Suprenant, Catholic for a Reason: Scripture and the Mystery of the Family of God (Emmaus Road Publishing, 1998 ISBN 0966322304, 9780966322309), p. 135.
^ Paul Haffner, The Sacramental Mystery (Gracewing Publishing, 1999 ISBN 0852444761, 9780852444764), p. 36.
^ ^a ^b Seventh-day Adventist Minister's Handbook, ed. Ministerial Association, The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists (Silver Spring,Marylend, 1997), 199.
^ Seventh-day Adventist Church Manual: Revised 2005 17th Edition, ed. The Secretariat of General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists (Hagerstown, Marylend: Review and Herald, 2005), 30.

Resources

Matzat, Don (Spring 1997). "In Defense of Infant Baptism". Issues, Etc. Journal 2 (3). http://www.issuesetcarchive.org/issues_site/resource/journals/v2n3.htm. Retrieved February 26, 2009.

World Council of Churches (1982). Baptism, Eucharist, and ministry. Geneva: World Council of Churches. ISBN 2-8254-0709-7. OCLC 9918640.

Jungkuntz, Richard (1968). The Gospel of Baptism. St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House. OCLC 444126.

Kolb, Robert W. (1997). .Make Disciples, baptizing: God's gift of new life and Christian witness.
^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]
^ It is important to recognize that the practice of baptizing on behalf of the dead is not new--it was practiced by early Christians, and the Mormons have simply brought it back.
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St. Louis: Concordia Seminary. ISBN 0-911770-66-6. OCLC 41473438.

Chaney, James M. (2009). William the Baptist. Oakland, TN: Doulos Resources. pp. 160. ISBN 978-1442185609. http://www.doulosresources.org/books/william/william.html.

Scaer, David P. (1999). Baptism. St. Louis: The Luther Academy. OCLC 41004868.

Schlink, Edmund (1972). The Doctrine of Baptism. St. Louis, Mo: Concordia Publishing House. ISBN 0-570-03726-3. OCLC 228096375.

Stookey, Laurence Hull (1982). .Baptism, Christ's act in the church.
^ As a Jewish convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have a somewhat unique perspective on baptism for the dead.
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Nashville, Tenn: Abingdon. ISBN 0-687-02364-5. OCLC 7924841.

Ware, Kallistos (1993). The Orthodox Church. New York: Penguin Books. pp. 277–278. ISBN 0-14-014656-3. OCLC 263544700.

Willimon, William H. (1980). .Remember who you are: baptism, a model for Christian life.
^ There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of personal stories of people who are just as clear-headed as you are who have seen spirits (some related to them, some not) who have asked them to do their baptism for them.
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^ You are actively seeking the names of those you know did not want to be christian in life, and putting them on your rolls, bring them into your church.
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^ I know animals who are better christians than you are.
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Nashville: Upper Room. ISBN 0-8358-0399-6. OCLC 6485882.

Linderman, Jim (2009). Take Me to the Water: Immersion Baptism in Vintage Music and Photography 1890-1950. Atlanta: Dust to Digital. ISBN 978-0-9817342-1-7.

External links

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BAPTISM. The Gr. words .13arTCaµos and f367rTC6µa (both of which occur in the New Testament) signify " ceremonial washing," from the verb (3air-T4"w, the shorter form meaning " dip " without ritual significance (e.g.^ TCaµos and f367rTC6µa (both of which occur in the New Testament) signify " ceremonial washing," from the verb ( 3 air -T4"w, the shorter form meaning " dip " without ritual significance (e.g.

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^ New Testament) of ceremonial ablution.

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^ Both the New Testament and the Church Fathers of the 2nd century make it clear that the gift of salvation belongs to children, however.

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the finger in water, a robe in blood). .That a ritual washing away of sin characterized other religions than the Christian, the Fathers of the church were aware, and Tertullian notices, in his tract On Baptism (ch.^ It is necessary to wash away our sins.

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^ You will notice Ananias said, "wash away thy sins."

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^ Baptism is God’s promise to us to wash away our sins.

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v.), that the votaries of Isis and Mithras were initiated per lavacrum, " through a font," and that in the Ludi Apollinares et Eleusinii, i.e. the mysteries of Apollo and Eleusis, men were baptized (tinguntur, Tertullian's favourite word for baptism), and, what is more, baptized, as they presumed to think, " unto regeneration and exemption from the guilt of their perjuries." " Among the ancients," he adds, " anyone who had stained himself with homicide went in search of waters that could purge him of his guilt." The texts of the New Testament relating to Christian baptism, given roughly in chronological order, are the following: - A.D. 55-60, Rom. vi. 3, 4; I Cor. i. 12-17, vi. II, X. I-4, xii. 13, xv. 29; Gal. iii. 27.

A.D. 60-65, Col. ii. 11, 12; Eph. iv. 5, v. 26.

A.D. 60-70, Mark x. 3 8, 39.

A.D. 80-90, Acts i. 5, ii. 38-41, viii. 16, 1 7, x. 44-4 8, xix. 1-7, xxii. 16; I Pet. iii. 20, 21; Heb. x. 22.

.A.D. 90-100, John iii.^ A.D. 90-100, John iii .

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^ A.D. 90-100, John i .

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3-8, iii. 22, iii. 26, iv. I, 2.

Uncertain, Matt. xxviii. .18-20; Mark xvi.^ Several other passages indicate such a meaning: (Matthew 10:41; Matthew 18:5,20; Mark 16:17; Luke 10:17; John 14:26) .

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^ Are Matthew 28:18-20 and Mark 16:15,16 Genuine?

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^ (See Matthew, 21: 25; Mark, 11: 30; Luke, 7: 29; 20: 4; Acts, 1: 22; 10: 37; 18: 25; 19: 3, etc.

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16.

.The baptism of John is mentioned in the following: - A.D. 60-70, Mark i.^ Mark the Ascetic explains the Mystery of Baptism in the following words: "By baptism you have put on Christ, and you have the strength and weapons to subdue (sinful) thoughts ...

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^ Mark 1:4, “John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.” Also, if we are to understand this verse to mean that baptism is necessary for salvation, then we must also understand that repentance is necessary.

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^ John the Baptist preparing to immerse Jesus, the following account is from Mark 1:1-11 .

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I-I I.

.A.D. 80-90, Matt.^ A.D. 80-90, Matt.

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iii. 1-16.; Luke iii. 1-22, vii. .29, 30; Acts i.^ (See Matthew, 21: 25; Mark, 11: 30; Luke, 7: 29; 20: 4; Acts, 1: 22; 10: 37; 18: 25; 19: 3, etc.

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22, X. 37, xiii. 24, xviii. 25, xix. 3, 4.

.A.D. 90-100, John i.^ A.D. 90-100, John iii .

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^ A.D. 90-100, John i .

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25-33, iii. 23, x. 40.

.It is best to defer the question of the origin of Christian baptism until the history of the rite in the centuries which followed has been sketched, for we know more clearly what baptism became after the year Ioo than what it was before.^ It is best to defer the question of the origin of Christian baptism until the history of the rite in the centuries which followed has been sketched, for we know more clearly what baptism became after the year Ioo than what it was before.

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^ It wasn't until the 16th century that Christians began to question the legitimacy of infant baptism.

DeYoung, Restless, and Reformed: Why I Baptize Babies 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.revkevindeyoung.com [Source type: Original source]

^ We can no more be saved before baptism than we can before believing.

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And that method on which a great scholar 1 insisted when studying the old Persian religion is doubly to be insisted on in the study of the history of baptism and the cognate institution, the eucharist, namely, to avoid equally " the narrowness of mind which clings to matters of fact without rising to their cause and connecting them with the series of associated phenomena, and the wild and uncontrolled spirit of comparison, which, by comparing everything, confounds everything." Our earliest detailed accounts of baptism are in the Teaching of the Apostles (c.90-120) and in Justin Martyr.

.The Teaching has the following: I. Now concerning baptism, thus baptize ye: having spoken beforehand all these things, baptize into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit; in living water.^ For the law of baptizing has been imposed , and the formula prescribed: Go, He says, teach the nations , baptizing them into the name of the Father , and of the Son , and of the Holy Spirit .

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^ Mark 1:8 “I baptized you in water; But He shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit.” .

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^ Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

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.2. But if thou hast not living water, baptize into other water; if thou canst not in cold, in warm.^ So you can get baptized into water, but then again there are other things you can get baptized into.

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^ But, if you have no running water, baptize in any other; and if you cannot in cold water, then in warm.

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^ If you have no living water, then baptize in other water, and if you are not able in cold, then in warm.

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.3. But if thou hast not either, pour water upon the head thrice, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.^ That is, they stood in water and then had water poured on their head.

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^ Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

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^ They receive the washing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

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.4. Now before the baptism, let him that is baptizing and him that is being baptized fast, and any others who can; but thou biddest him who is being baptized to fast one or two days before.^ One teaches 'baptism before salvation', while the other teaches 'salvation before baptism.'

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^ And you should instruct the one being baptized to fast one or two days before."

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^ Command the one who is to be baptized to fast beforehand for one or two days.

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.The " things spoken beforehand " are the moral precepts known as the two ways, the one of life and the other of death, with which the tract begins.^ The " things spoken beforehand " are the moral precepts known as the two ways, the one of life and the other of death, with which the tract begins.

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^ There are two ways, one of life and one of death, but a great difference between the two ways.

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^ In other words, the one doing the speaking must be willing to submit what he has spoken to the judgment of others, particularly those with experience in spiritual manifestations.

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This body of moral teaching is older than the rest of the tract, and may go back to the year A.D. 80.

.Justin thus describes the rite in ch.^ Justin thus describes the rite in ch.

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^ Late in the 2nd century Tertullian describes the rite of baptism in his treatise On the Resurrection of the Flesh, thus: 1.

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lxi. of his first .Apology, (c. 140): 1 James Darmesteter, in " Introd.^ James Darmesteter , in " Introd.

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to the;Vendidad," in the .Sacred Books of the East. I will also relate the manner in which we dedicated ourselves to God when we had been made new through Christ.^ Then through Christ, God gives it to us.

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^ I will also relate the manner in which we dedicated ourselves to God when we had been made new through Christ .

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^ I will also relate the manner in which we dedicated ourselves to God when we had been made new through Christ; lest, if we omit this, we seem to be unfair in the explanation we are making.

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.As many as are persuaded and believe that what we teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly, are instructed to pray and entreat God with fasting, for the remission of their sins that are past, we praying and fasting with them.^ The baptisands are instructed to pray and fast for the remission of the sins that are past , the Christians praying and fasting with them.

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^ "As many as are persuaded and believe that what we teach and say is true, ...

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^ "As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly .

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.Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated.^ Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated.

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^ Then we bring them to a place where there is water, and they are regenerated in the same manner in which we ourselves were regenerated.

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^ They are then taken to a place where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner as we have been regenerated.

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For in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water." In the sequel Justin adds: " There is pronounced over him who chooses to be born again, and has repented of his sins, the name of God the Father and Lord of the universe, he who leads to the laver the person that is to be washed calling Him by this name alone. .For no one can utter the name of the ineffable God, and this washing is called Illumination (Gr.^ For no one can utter the name of the ineffable God, and this washing is called Illumination (Gr.

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^ God - not by works, so that no one can boast."

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^ But God never stopped knocking on the door, and one day when I had fallen so far down that no other voice could reach me, I heard God clearly.

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.cwrca,u6s), because they who learn these things are illuminated in their understandings.^ To me these are the same thing, they are one in the same.

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^ For something this presents a problem because they do not understand the importance of baptism nor in the need to identify with God's uncompromised truth.

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^ It is any practicing Catholic who can help them during their period of the catechumenate when they are studying and learning the faith as well as a role model and someone to assist them as they grown in the faith after baptism.

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And in the name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and in the name of the Holy Ghost, who through the prophets foretold all things about Jesus, he who is illuminated is washed." In ch. xiv. of the .dialogue with Trypho, Justin asserts, as against Jewish rites of ablution, that Christian baptism alone can purify those who have repented.^ Baptism is commanded for those who repent of their sins and believe in Christ.

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^ Christian baptism cannot include those who cannot repent.

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^ Those who die without Baptism .

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." This," he says, " is the water of life.^ This," he says, " is the water of life.

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^ As you come up out of the water, I will say, “Raised to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus.” .

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.But the cisterns which you have dug for yourselves are broken and profitless to you.^ But the cisterns which you have dug for yourselves are broken and profitless to you.

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.For what is the use of that baptism which cleanses the flesh and body alone ?^ For what is the use of that baptism which cleanses the flesh and body alone ?

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^ As the “Body of Christ” in the world, baptism commissions us to use our gifts to strengthen the church and to transform the world.

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^ Without the regenerative cleansing of baptism, we will not be One Body with God.

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.Baptize the soul from wrath, from envy and from hatred; and, lo!^ Baptize the soul from wrath, from envy and from hatred; and, lo!

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^ When unrepentant souls came to John to be baptized, he was harsh: O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Speaking in Tongues, Holy Ghost Baptism, Pentecostal Gospel Materials! Tract #66, Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.isaiah58.com [Source type: Original source]

^ When someunrepentat souls dared to come to John to be baptized, the man of God was harsh: O Generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath ot come?

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the body is pure." In ch. xliii. of the same dialogue Justin remarks that " those who have approached God through Jesus Christ have received a circumcision, not carnal, but spiritual, after the manner of Enoch." In after ages baptism was regularly called illumination. .Late in the 2nd century Tertullian describes the rite of baptism in his treatise On the Resurrection of the Flesh, thus: 1. The flesh is washed, that the soul may be freed from stain.^ Thus ends the Rite of Baptism.

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^ Late in the 2nd century Tertullian describes the rite of baptism in his treatise On the Resurrection of the Flesh, thus: 1.

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^ In the same century Tertullian described baptism as "a sprinkling with any kind of water."

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.2. The flesh is anointed, that the soul may be consecrated.^ The flesh is anointed, that the soul may be consecrated.

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^ The flesh is overshadowed with imposition of hands, that the soul also may be illuminated by the Spirit.

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^ "And thou shalt anoint Aaron and his sons, and consecrate them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office."

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3. The flesh is sealed (i.e. signed with the cross), that the soul also may be protected.

.4. The flesh is overshadowed with imposition of hands, that the soul also may be illuminated by the Spirit.^ The flesh is anointed, that the soul may be consecrated.

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^ The flesh is overshadowed with imposition of hands, that the soul also may be illuminated by the Spirit.

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^ Into Your hands Dear Lord I commend my body, mind, soul and spirit.

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.5. The flesh feeds on the body and blood of Christ, that the soul also may be filled and sated with God.^ The flesh feeds on the body and blood of Christ, that the soul also may be filled and sated with God.

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^ The flesh is anointed, that the soul may be consecrated.

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^ In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

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.6. He also mentions elsewhere that the neophytes, after baptism, were given a draught of milk and honey.^ He also mentions elsewhere that the neophytes, after baptism, were given a draught of milk and honey .

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^ That the reception of the Eucharist still followed the baptism is clear from several passages; after this the newly baptized, clothed in white garments, join in prayer with the "brethren," and milk and honey are given them.

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.(The candidate for baptism, we further learn from his tract On Baptism, prepared himself by prayer, fasting and keeping of vigils.^ (The candidate for baptism, we further learn from his tract On Baptism, prepared himself by prayer , fasting and keeping of vigils.

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^ In his baptism he prepares himself for death, the ultimate expression of nonpower, for the people with whom he identifies, and makes the identification complete.

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^ Once the date of baptism has been set, candidates are often prepared by robing in a white robe (this is quite significant among Russian Baptists) and led into the water one at a time.

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) .Before stepping into the font, which both sexes did quite naked, the neophytes had to renounce the devil, his pomps and angels.^ Before stepping into the font, which both sexes did quite naked, the neophytes had to renounce the devil , his pomps and angels.

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^ AD Tertullian "When we are about to enter the water--no, just a little before--in the church and under the hand of the bishop, we solemnly profess that we renounce the devil and his pomps and his angels.

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^ I find it quite insulting that to Catholics, children must be initiated into the faith as an infant, before they have a chance to exercise their own free will.

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.Baptisms were usually conferred at Easter and in the season of Pentecost which ensued, and by the bishop or by priests and deacons commissioned by him.^ The ordinary minister of Baptism is the bishop, the priest, and the deacon.

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^ Deacons, however, were only allowed to baptize by commission of a bishop or priest.

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^ The ordinary minister of Baptism is a priest or a deacon.

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.Such are the leading features of the rite in Tertullian, and they reappear in the 4th century in the rites of all the orthodox churches of East and West; Tertullian testifies that the Marcionites observed the particulars numbered one to six, which must therefore go back at least to the year 150. About the year 300, those desirous of being baptized were (a) admitted to the catechumenate, giving in their names to the bishop.^ Don't think, "Oh, I must go back and get baptized again.

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^ The one being baptized then says: `I believe.'

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^ Can you go to heaven by being baptized?

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.(b) They were subjected to a scrutiny and prepared, as to-day in the western churches the young are prepared for confirmation.^ They were subjected to a scrutiny and prepared, as to-day in the western churches the young are prepared for confirmation .

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^ During the early days of the church, new believers often were baptized in the presence of unbelievers knowing they might suffer persecution for their act of devotion.

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^ When Alice’s mother and sisters decided to become members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Alice was only six and too young to be baptized with the rest of her family.

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.The catechetic course included instruction in monotheism, in the folly of polytheism, in the Christian scheme of salvation, &c.^ The catechetic course included instruction in monotheism, in the folly of polytheism, in the Christian scheme of salvation, &c.

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^ All churches baptize believers coming from other religions or from unbelief who accept the Christian faith and participate in catechetical instruction.

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^ This is usually related to a course of instruction to ensure that children understand what Christians believe, and perhaps, to ensure that they do in fact believe it.

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.(c) They were again and again exorcized, in order to rid them of the lingering taint of the worship of demons.^ They were again and again exorcized, in order to rid them of the lingering taint of the worship of demons.

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^ It is not surprising therefore that sound instruments were exorcized of demons who likely lived within them in order to make them suitable for a money-making religion : .

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.(d) Some days or even weeks beforehand they had the creed recited to them.^ Some days or even weeks beforehand they had the creed recited to them.

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^ Then they begged him to stay on there for some days."

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^ If a child got sick before their baptism and their parents were frightened the child may die, the child must be baptized even if they are a day old.

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.They might not write it down, but learned it by heart and had to repeat it just before baptism.^ They might not write it down, but learned it by heart and had to repeat it just before baptism.

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^ Neither Jesus nor His disciples laid down any rules about how baptism was to be done, nor did they provide much interpretation of its spiritual significance.

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^ She said she ran down and told them she had just turned eight years old, and they baptized her.

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.This rite was called in the West the traditio and redditio of the symbol.^ This rite was called in the West the traditio and redditio of the symbol .

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.The Lord's Prayer was communicated with similar solemnity in the West (traditio precis). The creed given in Rome was the so-called Apostles' Creed, originally compiled as we now have it to exclude Marcionites.^ The creed given in Rome was the so-called Apostles' Creed, originally compiled as we now have it to exclude Marcionites.

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^ The communication to the candidates of the Creed and Lord's Prayer was a solemn rite.

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^ The Lord's Prayer was communicated with similar solemnity in the West ( traditio precis).

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.In the East various other symbols were used.^ In the East various other symbols were used.

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^ There were originally two essential constituents in the outward ritethe one water, used as the symbol of purity; the other immersion with the consequent emersion, as the symbol of burial and resurrection.

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^ Here, pouring symbolizes the death of Jesus, just as sprinkling represents it in other places and immersion could be used to represent it in yet other passages.

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.(e) There followed an act of unction, made in the East with the oil of the catechumens blessed only by the priest, in the West with the priest's saliva applied to the lips and ears.^ There followed an act of unction , made in the East with the oil of the catechumens blessed only by the priest , in the West with the priest's saliva applied to the lips and ears.

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^ The priest makes the sign of the cross in the water with the oil three times and anoints the person who is to be baptized on their brow, their breast, their ears, their hands, their feet and their back.

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^ In the Orthodox Church, the rite for the admission to the catechumenate, consisting of exorcisms, the renunciation of Satan and profession of faith, is followed by the rite of Baptism proper, in which water and oil are blessed, the candidate is anointed with oil, immersed three times in water, and clothed with a white garment.

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.The latter was accompanied by the following formula: " Effeta, that is, be thou opened unto odour of sweetness.^ The latter was accompanied by the following formula: " Effeta, that is, be thou opened unto odour of sweetness.

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^ Priest: Ephpheta, that is to say, Be opened, for an odour of sweetness.

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.But do thou flee, 0 Devil, for the judgment of God is at hand."^ But do thou flee, 0 Devil, for the judgment of God is at hand."

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^ Be thou, devil, begone; for the judgement of God shall draw near.

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(f) Renunciation of Satan. .The catechumens turned to the west in pronouncing this; then turning to the east they recited the creed.^ The catechumens turned to the west in pronouncing this; then turning to the east they recited the creed.

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^ Some people say, when the mother turns from the West to the East, she must change her child from her left arm to her right arm, hence this means that she will raise her left hand during the confession for Christ and the reciting of the Orthodox Creed.

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^ There followed an act of unction , made in the East with the oil of the catechumens blessed only by the priest , in the West with the priest's saliva applied to the lips and ears.

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.(g) They stepped into the font, but were not usually immersed, and the priest recited the baptismal formula over them as he poured water, generally thrice, over their heads.^ When Jewish priests were dedicated water was poured upon their heads and they were anointed with oil.

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^ As he pours the water, the priest says these words (or the words of a conditional Baptism): .

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^ [If not done earlier, the water may be poured into the font at this time.

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.(h) They were anointed all over with chrism or scented oil, the priest reciting an appropriate formula.^ When anointing with the Holy Chrism, the Priest says: .

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^ No longer able to preside over all baptisms, bishops of the Western Church had priests administer Baptism and First Eucharist but reserved to themselves the anointing with oil portion of the initiation ceremony in order to retain personal involvement with everyone's initiation.

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.Deacons anointed the males, deaconesses the females.^ Deacons anointed the males, deaconesses the females.

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^ He then takes the bottle of oil to anoint the children (males then females) as follows : .

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^ So, there arent any Jews or Greeks, slaves or freemen, males or females, because youre all one in the Anointed One, Jesus.

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.(i) They put on white garments and often baptismal wreaths or chaplets as well.^ The white garment is put on the child.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The white garment represents putting on Christ.

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^ They put on white garments and often baptismal wreaths or chaplets as well.

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.In some churches they had worn cowls during the catechumenate, in sign of repentance of their sins.^ By repentance they acknowledged their sin to God.

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^ In some churches they had worn cowls during the catechumenate, in sign of repentance of their sins.

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.(j) They received the sign of the cross on the brow; the bishop usually dipped his thumb in the chrism and said: " In name of Father, Son and Holy Ghost, peace be with thee."^ I baptize you/thee in the name of the Father; In the name of the Son; and in the name of the Holy Spirit; Amen.

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^ Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

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^ What is plain is that a person is to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

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.In laying his hands on their heads the bishop in many places, especially in the West, called down upon them the sevenfold spirit.^ In laying his hands on their heads the bishop in many places, especially in the West, called down upon them the sevenfold spirit.

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^ The Priest lays his right hand upon the head of the child and prays: .

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^ But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit ."

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.(k) The first communion followed, with milk and honey added.^ Following this analogy, the first chapter will expound the three sacraments of Christian initiation; the second , the sacraments of healing; and the third, the sacraments at the service of communion and the mission of the faithful.

USCCB - Catechism of the Catholic Church 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.usccb.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Following this analogy, the first chapter will expound the three sacraments of Christian initiation; the second, the sacraments of healing; and the third, the sacraments at the service of communion and the mission of the faithful.

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.christusrex.org [Source type: Original source]

.(1) Usually the water in the font was exorcized, blessed and chrism poured into it, just before the catechumen entered it, (m) Easter was the usual season of baptism, but in the East Epiphany was equally favoured.^ Usually the water in the font was exorcized, blessed and chrism poured into it, just before the catechumen entered it, (m) Easter was the usual season of baptism, but in the East Epiphany was equally favoured.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ [If not done earlier, the water may be poured into the font at this time.

Service for Baptism (1991) - Christian Reformed Church 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.crcna.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The water in the baptismal font is heated for all baptisms.

Baptism Preparation 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC holyfamilyparish.org [Source type: General]

.Pentecost was sometimes chosen.^ Pentecost was sometimes chosen.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.We hear of all three feasts being habitually chosen in Jerusalem early in the 4th century, but fifty years later baptisms seem to have been almost confined to Easter.^ As a matter of fact, from evidence from the Catacombs before 200, it would seem probable that effusion, pouring, could have been the most common mode of baptism in the early church.

Baptism, by Francis Schaeffer 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.fivesolas.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Among other reasons, the multiplication of infant baptisms all through the year, the increase of rural parishes, and the growth of dioceses often prevented the bishop from being present at all baptismal celebrations.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.catscans.com [Source type: Original source]

^ French ship launchings and christenings in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries were accompanied by unique rites closely resembling marriage and baptismal ceremonies.

Christening, Launching, and Commissioning 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.history.navy.mil [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.The preparatory fasts of the catechumens must have helped to establish the Lenten fast, if indeed they were not its origin.^ It is any practicing Catholic who can help them during their period of the catechumenate when they are studying and learning the faith as well as a role model and someone to assist them as they grown in the faith after baptism.

can a Catholic baptize me in a Greek Orthodox church? - Catholic Answers Forums 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC forums.catholic.com [Source type: General]

^ The Reformers were convinced that children must be baptized in order to be saved; for on account of original sin they also need pardoning and renovating grace.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ So, if one is going to establish a source of origin for Christian baptism, it must be from Judaism.

POCM Jesus Christ baptism pagan mystery religion initiation ceremony copycat sacrament 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.pocm.info [Source type: Original source]

.Certain features of baptism as used during the earlier centuries must now be noticed.^ Certain features of baptism as used during the earlier centuries must now be noticed.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The earliest baptism rituals were very simple, but became much elaborated during the 3rd century.

Baptism - LookLex Encyclopaedia 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC i-cias.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Rite of Baptism as codified by the reformers after the Council of Trent was an adapted and abridged version of this earlier fuller process, now addressed to the needs of infant baptism.

The Great Mystery of Baptism: Its Theology and Celebration 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC stfrancisa2.com [Source type: Original source]

.They are the following: - (i) Use of fonts; (2) Status of baptizer; (3) Immersion, submersion or aspersion; (4) Exorcism; (5) Baptismal formula and trine immersion; (6) The age of baptism; (7) Confirmation; (8) Disciplina arcani; (9) Regeneration; (10) Relation to repentance; (11) Baptism for the dead; (12) Use of the name; (13) Origin of the institution; (14) Analogous rites in other religions.^ Variously described as yeoman (11) , gentleman (12) , husbandman (13) , and innholder (14) .

Wrangham 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC genealogy.avendano.org [Source type: General]

^ The Cathars of the middle ages discarded water baptism altogether as being a Jewish rite, but retained the laying on of hands with the traditio precis as sufficient initiation.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Others say that parents don't have authority over the baby in relation to the obligation to made belong to the Church by baptism.

SHOULD YOU GET YOUR BABY BAPTISED 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.religionislies.com [Source type: Original source]

1. Fonts. - .The New Testament, the Didache, Justin, Tertullian and other early sources do not enjoin the use of a font, and contemplate in general the use of running or living water.^ The New Testament, the Didache, Justin, Tertullian and other early sources do not enjoin the use of a font, and contemplate in general the use of running or living water.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ He has used it to cleanse, to generate new life.

why baptism is neccesary : MostHolyFamilyMonastery.com 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The New Testament has no clear instructions on how to physically administer the water of baptism.

Baptism - LookLex Encyclopaedia 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC i-cias.com [Source type: Original source]

.It was a Jewish rule that in ablutions the water should run over and away from the parts of the body washed.^ The washing away refers to water baptism.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It was a Jewish rule that in ablutions the water should run over and away from the parts of the body washed.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Washing was usually done by pouring water over parts of the body, as in foot washing and hand washing.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ctrchurch-mhk.org [Source type: Original source]

.In acts of martyrdom, as late as the age of Decius, we read of baptisms in rivers, in lakes and in the sea.^ In acts of martyrdom, as late as the age of Decius, we read of baptisms in rivers, in lakes and in the sea.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ We read about this in Acts (8:14-17 and 19:2-6): the Apostle Paul met some disciples in Ephesus who had received only the baptism of John.

19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.fatheralexander.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Read together with Acts 2:38, baptism is for those who are aware of and sorry for their sins which they have committed.

New Testament Baptism | Brethren Revival Fellowship 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.brfwitness.org [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.In exceptional cases it sufficed for a martyr to be sprinkled with his own blood.^ In exceptional cases it sufficed for a martyr to be sprinkled with his own blood.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The first is: "The case of an infidel converted in a heathen land, where it is impossible to get baptism"; and the second: "The case of a martyr baptized as it is called, in his own blood; but in all other cases, whether of young or old, the necessity is absolute."

B A P T I S M 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.godsonlygospel.com [Source type: Original source]

^ In the Old Testament sacrificial system, blood from each of the animal sacrifices was sprinkled on the altar, and, in certain cases, on the people.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ctrchurch-mhk.org [Source type: Original source]

.But a martyr's death in itself was enough.^ But a martyr's death in itself was enough.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.Nearchus (c. 2 50) quieted the scruples of his unbaptized friend Polyeuctes, when on the scaffold he asked if it were possible to attain salvation without baptism, with this answer: " Behold, we see the Lord, when they brought to Him the blind that they might be healed, had nothing to say to them about the holy mystery, nor did He ask them if they:had been baptized; but this only, whether they came to Him with true faith.^ Some say that Paul was not sent to baptize, and this is true; but his followers did the baptizing.

A Bible Study Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC parentalguide.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For more about baptism and chrismation, see: .

Orthodox Baptism - Thoughts on the Holy Mystery 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.orthodox.net [Source type: Original source]

^ When Jesus asked James and John if they would be able to be baptized with the baptism with which he was to be baptized, he was asking about their commitment to be crucified with him (See Lk.

DOES BAPTIZE REALLY MEAN TO IMMERSE ? 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.freedomsring.org [Source type: Original source]

.Wherefore He asked them, Do ye believe that I am able to do this thing ?^ Wherefore, although the Church be a witness and a keeper of Holy Writ, yet, as it ought not to decree any thing against the same, so besides the same ought it not to enforce any thing to be believed for necessity of Salvation.

Anglicans Online | The Thirty-Nine Articles 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC anglicansonline.org [Source type: Original source]

." Tertullian (c. 200) writes (de Bapt. iv.^ Some of the early Fathers, as Tertullian (De Bapt., i) and St. Augustine (Adv.

Baptism - Catholic Encyclopedia - Catholic Online 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.catholic.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Tertullian (De Bapt., c.

Baptism - Catholic Encyclopedia - Catholic Online 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.catholic.org [Source type: Original source]

^ So Tertullian ( de Bapt.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

) thus: ." It makes no difference whether one is washed in the sea or in a pool, in a river or spring, in a lake or a ditch.^ It makes no difference whether one is washed in the sea or in a pool , in a river or spring, in a lake or a ditch.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ "He shall not be reckoned among the perfect; he shall neither be purified by atonement, nor cleansed by purifying waters, nor sanctified by seas and rivers, nor washed clean with any ablution.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC biblicalheritage.org [Source type: Original source]

^ And accordingly it makes no difference whether a man be washed in a sea or a pool, a stream or a fount, a lake or a trough; nor is there any distinction between those whom John baptized in the Jordan and those whom Peter baptized in the Tiber, unless withal the eunuch whom Philip baptized in the midst of his journeys with chance water, derived (therefrom) more or less of salvation than others .

CHURCH FATHERS: On Baptism (Tertullian) 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.newadvent.org [Source type: Original source]

Nor can we distinguish between those whom John baptized (tinxit) in the Jordan and those whom Peter baptized in the Tiber." The custom of baptizing in the rivers when they are annually blessed at Epiphany, the feast of the Lord's baptism, still survives in. .Armenia and in the East generally.^ Armenia and in the East generally.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.Those of the Armenians and Syrians who have retained adult baptism use rivers alone at any time of year.^ Was not baptism used before that time?

Fisher's Question 94 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC reformed.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Those of the Armenians and Syrians who have retained adult baptism use rivers alone at any time of year.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ What if those who exclusively favor adult baptism were interrogated?

Infant Baptism — Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC goarch.org [Source type: Original source]
Baptising Children 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC www.songsforyahweh.com [Source type: Original source]

.The church of Tyre described by Eusebius (H.E. x.^ The church of Tyre described by Eusebius (H.E. x.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

4) seems to have had a font, and the church order of Macarius, bishop of Jerusalem (c. 311-335), orders the font to be placed in the same building as the altar, behind it and on the right hand; but the same order lays down that a font is not essential in cases of illness for " the Holy Spirit is not hindered by want of a vessel." 2. Status of Baptizer. - Ignatius (Smyrn. viii.) wrote that it is not lawful to baptize or hold an agape (Lord's Supper) without the bishop. .So Tertullian (de Bapt. xvii.^ Some of the early Fathers, as Tertullian (De Bapt., i) and St. Augustine (Adv.

Baptism - Catholic Encyclopedia - Catholic Online 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.catholic.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Tertullian (De Bapt., c.

Baptism - Catholic Encyclopedia - Catholic Online 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.catholic.org [Source type: Original source]

) reserves the right of admitting to baptism and of conferring it to the .summus sacerdos or bishop, Cyprian (Epist. lxxiii.^ Cyprian goes so far as to say that a priest ( sacerdos ) "must" ( oportet ) "purify and hallow" the water ( Epist., lxx, 1).

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

7) to bishops and priests. .Later canons continued this restriction; and although in outlying parts of Christendom deacons claimed the right, the official churches accorded it to presbyters alone and none but bishops could perform the confirmation or seal.^ Although the church claims that the enrollment of these dead souls is only for genealogical research, it clearly is intended to bestow benefits on its subjects as well.

Christopher Brauchli: Baptizing Hitler's Ghost 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC www.counterpunch.com [Source type: General]

^ In the early Church, following the Lord in the waters of baptism was the official, public pronouncement that a person was a believer in Christ and was part of that wonderful movement called Christianity.

Grace Church - Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC atgrace.com [Source type: Original source]

^ And yet Michel claims that the Church has not made reasonable efforts to prevent the submission of Holocaust victims' names and the performance of proxy baptismal ordinances on their behalf.

The Seeker: Should Mormons baptize dead Jews? 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC newsblogs.chicagotribune.com [Source type: General]

.In the Montanist churches women baptized, and of this there are traces in the earliest church and in the Caucasus.^ There is nothing higher, and there is no need to be baptized all over again as is often done in the churches.

Yahweh's Assembly in Yahshua - Why Be Baptized Into the Name of Yahshua? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.yaiy.org [Source type: Original source]

^ When a person is baptized, there should be no other roadblocks to them becoming members, and then also there should be no hesitation in the church discipline process.

Pulpit Magazine » Blog Archive » When to Baptize Your Kids 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.sfpulpit.com [Source type: Original source]

^ There should, ideally, be one male and one female for this task, both baptized Catholics who are in good standing with the Church and who've reached the age of sixteen.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.fisheaters.com [Source type: Original source]

.Thus St Thekla baptized herself in her own blood, and St Nino, the female evangelist of Georgia, baptized king Mirian (see " Life of Nino," Studia Biblica, 1903).^ Thus St Thekla baptized herself in her own blood, and St Nino, the female evangelist of Georgia , baptized king Mirian (see " Life of Nino," Studia Biblica, 1903).

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ You see, Paul makes it clear to us, that the master teacher must personally baptize you into his own name.

Christ Sent Me Not to Baptize - 1 Corinthians 1:17 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.piney.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Others, as St. Jerome and St. Maximus, appear to assume that Christ baptized John on this occasion and thus instituted the sacrament.

Baptism - Catholic Encyclopedia - Catholic Online 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.catholic.org [Source type: Original source]

.In cases of imminent death a layman or a woman could baptize, and in the case of new-born children it is often necessary.^ It may be that parents have returned to the church, or have put off baptizing their children; it could be a variety of reason which has called them to become baptized Catholic Christians.

St. John the Baptist Catholic Church, Mankato, MN : Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC stjohnscatholicchurch.com [Source type: Original source]

^ In case of necessity, however, not only a priest or deacon, but even a layman or woman, nay, even a pagan or heretic can baptize, provided he observes the form used by the Church, and intends to perform what the Church performs.

Baptism - Catholic Encyclopedia - Catholic Online 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.catholic.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Often it would take the threat of illness and death to convince Christian parents to baptize a childsuch was almost the case with Augustine (born but not baptized in 354), though he recovered and his mother, Monica, failed to follow through with the rite.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.zionkerrville.org [Source type: Original source]

Table of contents

1 3. Immersion or Aspersion

2 4. Exorcism

3 5. The Baptismal Formala

4 7. Confirmation

5 8. Disciplina arcani

6 9. Regeneration

7 12. Use of the Name

8 Authorities

3. Immersion or Aspersion

.The Didache bids us " pour water on the head," and Christian pictures and sculptures ranging from the 1st to the 10th century represent the baptizand as standing in the water, while the baptizer pours water from his hand or from a bowl over his head.^ That is, they stood in water and then had water poured on their head.
Baptism, by Francis Schaeffer 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.fivesolas.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Didache bids us " pour water on the head," and Christian pictures and sculptures ranging from the 1st to the 10th century represent the baptizand as standing in the water, while the baptizer pours water from his hand or from a bowl over his head.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Paul was baptizing Publius, pouring water upon his head.
Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

.Even if we allow for the difficulty of representing complete submersion in art, it is nevertheless clear that it was not insisted on; nor were the earliest fonts, to judge from the ruins of them, large and deep enough for such an usage.^ These pools may be swimming pools, large fonts, even lakes and rivers.
St. John Lutheran--About Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.stjohnlutheran.org [Source type: Original source]

^ If the Baptismal font is not spacious enough to contain an adult, it is possible to provide a large container big enough to make it possible to completely immerse the person according to the Baptismal Rite by immersion.
The Sacrament of Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.copticchurch.net [Source type: Original source]

.The earliest literary notices of baptism are far from conclusive in favour of submersion, and are often to be regarded as merely rhetorical.^ The earliest literary notices of baptism are far from conclusive in favour of submersion, and are often to be regarded as merely rhetorical.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Believing is something we must DO; repenting is something we must DO (and often a very hard thing to do); but baptism is something DONE TO US. It is merely submitting in faith to the working of God in our lives.
BibleLessons.com 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblelessons.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Then he merely speaks of baptism in so far as the dispensation of it is subordinate to the fiction of teaching.
Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

.The rubrics of the MSS., it is true, enjoin total immersion, but it only came into general vogue in the 7th century, " when the growing rarity of adult baptism made the Gr.^ Baptism was only by full immersion.
Biblical Baptism - A Confession of Repentance and Faith. 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC biblelight.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Is immersion the only proper mode of baptism?
Berkhof on Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The rubrics of the MSS., it is true, enjoin total immersion, but it only came into general vogue in the 7th century, " when the growing rarity of adult baptism made the Gr.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

word .(/3a7rTico) patient of an interpretation that suited that of infants only."^ Tico) patient of an interpretation that suited that of infants only."
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

1 The Key of Truth, the manual of the old Armenian Baptists, archaically prescribes that the penitent admitted into the church shall advance on his knees into the middle of the water and that the elect one or bishop shall then pour water over his head.

4. Exorcism

.The Didache and Justin merely prescribe fasting, the use of which was to hurry the exit of evil spirits who, in choosing a nidus or tenement, preferred a well-fed body to an emaciated one, according to the belief embodied in the interpolated saying of Matt.^ The Didache and Justin merely prescribe fasting, the use of which was to hurry the exit of evil spirits who, in choosing a nidus or tenement , preferred a well-fed body to an emaciated one, according to the belief embodied in the interpolated saying of Matt.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
What Is Baptism, and How Important Is It? :: Desiring God Christian Resource Library 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.desiringgod.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The New Testament, the Didache, Justin, Tertullian and other early sources do not enjoin the use of a font, and contemplate in general the use of running or living water.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

xvii. .21: " This kind (of demon) goeth not forth except by prayer and fasting."^ This kind (of demon) goeth not forth except by prayer and fasting."
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Saul and Barnabas equally are separated for a certain missionary work by imposition of hands with prayer and fasting, and are so sent forth by the Holy Ghost.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.The exorcisms tended to become longer and longer, the later the rite.^ The exorcisms tended to become longer and longer, the later the rite.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.The English prayer-book excludes them, as it also excludes the renunciation of the devil and all his angels, his pomps and works.^ Therefore this single word (He that believeth) effects this much that it excludes and repels all works which we can do, in the opinion that we obtain and merit salvation by them.
The Large Catechism - Book of Concord 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC bookofconcord.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Priest : Do you renounce Satan, and all his works, and all his angels, and all his service, and all his pride?
19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.fatheralexander.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Parents and godparents profess the Faith and renounce sin and the devil with all his works and empty promises in behalf of those children .
Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

.These elements were old, but scarcely primitive; and the archaic rite of the Key of Truth (see PAULICIANs) is without them.^ These elements were old, but scarcely primitive; and the archaic rite of the Key of Truth (see PAULICIANs) is without them.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The Key of Truth, the manual of the old Armenian Baptists , archaically prescribes that the penitent admitted into the church shall advance on his knees into the middle of the water and that the elect one or bishop shall then pour water over his head.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ If you are honest with yourself, you will see the truth in the 2,000 year old Catholic position.
Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

.Basil, in his work On the Holy Spirit, confesses his ignorance of how these and other features of his baptismal rite had originated.^ Basil , in his work On the Holy Spirit, confesses his ignorance of how these and other features of his baptismal rite had originated.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The Holy Spirit and water are required for baptism.
Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For by baptism the Holy Spirit is received...
What Early Christians believed about BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bible.ca [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.He instances the blessing of the water of baptism, of the oil of anointing and of the baptizand himself, the use of anointing him with oil, trine immersion, the formal renunciation of Satan and his angels.^ Why baptism by immersion in water?
LDS FAQ: The LDS Doctrine of Baptism (Mormon Baptism) 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.jefflindsay.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Water baptism may use immersion, pouring or sprinkling.
Body 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC bridegroompress.com [Source type: Original source]

^ He instances the blessing of the water of baptism, of the oil of anointing and of the baptizand himself, the use of anointing him with oil, trine immersion, the formal renunciation of Satan and his angels.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

All these features, he says, had been handed down in an unpublished and unspoken teaching, in a silent and sacramental tradition.

5. The Baptismal Formala

.The trinitarian formula and trine immersion were not uniformly used from the beginning, nor did they always go together.^ They did not go out of the prison.

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ Did they go into the river?

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

^ The trinitarian formula and trine immersion were not uniformly used from the beginning, nor did they always go together.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.The Teaching of the Apostles, indeed, prescribes baptism in the name of Father, Son and Holy Ghost, but on the next page speaks of those who have been baptized into the name of the Lord - the normal formula of the New Testament.^ For the law of baptizing has been imposed , and the formula prescribed: Go, He says, teach the nations , baptizing them into the name of the Father , and of the Son , and of the Holy Spirit .

CHURCH FATHERS: On Baptism (Tertullian) 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.newadvent.org [Source type: Original source]

^ "Go ye, therefore, and teach all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

Fisher's Question 94 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC reformed.org [Source type: Original source]

^ What is it to be baptised by the command and authority of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost?

Fisher's Question 94 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC reformed.org [Source type: Original source]

.In the 3rd century baptism in the name of Christ was still so widespread that Pope Stephen, in opposition to Cyprian of Carthage, declared it to be valid.^ In the 3rd century baptism in the name of Christ was still so widespread that Pope Stephen , in opposition to Cyprian of Carthage , declared it to be valid.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In spite of some obvious cultural and social differences between the first-century church and today’s church, the requirement for congregational inclusion should still be believer’s baptism.

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^ Baptism then in the name or through the name or into the name of Christ placed the believer under the influence and tutelage of Christ's personality , as before he was in popular estimation under the influence of stars and horoscope.

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.From Pope Zachariah (Ep. x.^ From Pope Zachariah ( Ep.

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) we learn that the .Celtic missionaries in baptizing omitted one or more persons of the Trinity, and this was one of the reasons why the church of Rome anathematized 1 Rogers' essay on Baptism and Christian Archaeology in Studia Biblica, vol.^ What if baptism is not a good sacrament, one that makes a person good or more inclined to be good?

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^ That is why He gave us ONE Church.

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^ That is the reason why infants too are baptized.

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them; .Pope Nicholas, however (858-867), in the Responsa ad consulta Bulgarorum, allowed baptism to be valid tantum in nomine Christi, as in the Acts.^ Similarly, baptism is related to religious liberty and soul freedom as an entirely voluntary act that allows a person to profess personal faith.

Doing Baptism Baptist Style: Believer's Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.baptisthistory.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Aug 2008 at 12:10 am Robert I understand the logical, rational, human concern over validating a child’s faith before baptism; however, if we teach that: .

Pulpit Magazine » Blog Archive » When to Baptize Your Kids 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.sfpulpit.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Immersion is the only catholic act of baptism, the only one whose validity is recognized semper et ubique et ab omnibus.

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.Basil, in his work On the Holy Spirit just mentioned, condemns " baptism into the Lord alone " as insufficient.^ Basil, in his work On the Holy Spirit just mentioned, condemns " baptism into the Lord alone " as insufficient.

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^ Again and again, in connection with water baptism, the baptism with the Holy Spirit is mentioned.

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^ The Holy Spirit and water are required for baptism.

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.Baptism " into the death of Christ " is often specified by the Armenian fathers as that which alone was essential.^ Baptism portrays our death in the death of Christ.

His By Grace--"John Piper 4 Part Series on Baptism" 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gracesermons.com [Source type: Original source]

^ In baptism, we are identifying with Christs death and resurrection.

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^ Baptism into the body of Christ is nonnegotiable.

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.Ursinus, an African monk (in Gennad.^ Ursinus, an African monk (in Gennad.

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de Scr. Eccl. xxvii.), .Hilary (de Synodis, lxxxv.^ Hilary ( de Synodis, lxxxv.

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), the .synod of Nemours (A.D. 1284), also asserted that baptism into the name of Christ alone was valid.^ Baptism is in the name of Jesus Christ, not into the name of a local church or denomination.

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^ Baptism into the body of Christ is nonnegotiable.

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^ Nor is there a noted Paedobaptist commentator, or controversialist, whom we remember, who does not interpret baptism into the name of Father, Son, and Spirit, baptism into Christ , or into Moses, as involving a profession and consecration; which interpretation necessarily excludes infants.

His By Grace--"Baptism ~Charles H. Spurgeon" 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gracesermons.com [Source type: Original source]

.The formula of Rome is, " I baptize thee in the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit."^ For the law of baptizing has been imposed , and the formula prescribed: Go, He says, teach the nations , baptizing them into the name of the Father , and of the Son , and of the Holy Spirit .

CHURCH FATHERS: On Baptism (Tertullian) 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.newadvent.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Jesus baptizes him/her with the Holy Spirit .

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^ I baptize you/thee in the name of the Father; In the name of the Son; and in the name of the Holy Spirit; Amen.

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.In the East, " so-and-s6, the servant of God, is baptized," &c.^ In the East, " so-and-s6, the servant of God, is baptized," &c.

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^ Such a person should then proceed to be baptized just as soon as a true servant of God can become available to perform it.

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^ The servant of God N. is baptized, in the name of the Father.

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The Greeks add Amen after each person, and conclude with the words, " Now and ever and to aeons of aeons, amen." We first find in Tertullian trine immersion explained from the triple invocation, Nam nec semel, sed ter, ad singula nomina in personas singulas tinguimur: " Not once, but thrice, for the several names, into the several persons, are we dipped" (adv. Prax. xxvi.). And Jerome says: " We are thrice plunged, that the one sacrament of the Trinity may be shown forth." On the other hand, in numerous fathers of East and West, e.g. Leo of Rome, Athanasius, Gregory of Nyssa, Theophylactus, Cyril of Jerusalem and others, trine immersion was regarded as being symbolic of the three days' entombment of Christ; and in the Armenian baptismal rubric this interpretation is enjoined, as also in an epistle of Macarius of Jerusalem addressed to the Armenians (c. 330). .In Armenian writers this interpretation is further associated with the idea of baptism into the death of Christ.^ Baptism into the body of Christ is nonnegotiable.

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^ There is also the statement in Romans that baptism into Christ is a baptism into His death.

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^ Baptism portrays our death in the death of Christ.

His By Grace--"John Piper 4 Part Series on Baptism" 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gracesermons.com [Source type: Original source]

.Trine immersion then, as to the origin of which Basil confesses his ignorance, must be older than either of the rival explanations.^ Trine immersion then, as to the origin of which Basil confesses his ignorance, must be older than either of the rival explanations.

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^ Basil , in his work On the Holy Spirit, confesses his ignorance of how these and other features of his baptismal rite had originated.

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^ We must look at infant baptism in the light of initiation into the Body of Christ more so than the cleansing of Original Sin.

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.These are clearly aetiological, and invented to explain an existing custom, which the church had adopted from its pagan medium.^ These are clearly aetiological, and invented to explain an existing custom, which the church had adopted from its pagan medium.

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^ Although the church claims that the enrollment of these dead souls is only for genealogical research, it clearly is intended to bestow benefits on its subjects as well.

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^ Despite Calvin and others, the overwhelming consensus of interpreters still agrees with the ancient church and with Luther in explaining both these texts of baptism.

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For pagan lustrations were normally threefold; thus Virgil writes (Aen. vi. 229): Ter socios Pura circumtulit unda. Ovid (Met. vii. 189 and Fasti, iv. 315), Persius (ii. 16) and Horace (Ep. i. i. 37) similarly speak of trine lustrations; and on the last mentioned passage the scholiast Acro remarks: " He uses the words thrice purely, because people in expiating their sins, plunge themselves in thrice." Such examples of the ancient usage encounter us everywhere in Greek and Latin antiquity.

6. Age of Baptism. - In the oldest Greek, Armenian, Syrian and other rites of baptism, a service of giving a Christian (i.e. non-pagan) name, or of sealing a child on its eighth day, is found. According to it the priest, either at the door of the church or at the home, blessed the infant, sealed it (this not in Armenia) with the sign of the cross on its forehead, and prayed that in due season (EV rcacp(u 606-y) or at the proper time (Armenian) it may enter the holy Catholic church. .This rite announces itself as the analogue of Christ's circumcision.^ This rite announces itself as the analogue of Christ's circumcision.

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^ Answer: it is not the New Testament rite of baptism; it is the New Testament spiritual event of the circumcision of Christ cutting away "the [old sinful] body of the flesh."

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^ INFANT BAPTISM IN THE ROOM OF CIRCUMCISION Circumcision was the initiatory rite into the visible church before Christ came.

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.On the fortieth day from birth another rite is prescribed, of churching the child, which is now taken into the church with its mother.^ On the fortieth day from birth another rite is prescribed, of churching the child, which is now taken into the church with its mother.

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^ Baptism expresses so many things about life, church, family and God that is needs a full range of images, gathering many rituals into one and bringing your child to the waters of new birth.

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^ When Alice’s mother and sisters decided to become members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Alice was only six and too young to be baptized with the rest of her family.

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Both are blessed by the clergy, whose petition now is that God " may preserve this child and cause him to grow up by the unseen grace of His power and made him worthy in due season of the washing of baptism." As the first rite corresponds to the circumcision and naming of Jesus, so does the second to His presentation in the temple. .These two rites really begin the catechumenate or period of instruction in the faith and discipline of the church.^ These two rites really begin the catechumenate or period of instruction in the faith and discipline of the church.

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^ A long period of catechumenate included a series of preparatory rites, which were liturgical landmarks along the path of catechumenal preparation and culminated in the celebration of the sacraments of Christian initiation.

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.It depended on the individual how long he would wait for initiation.^ It depended on the individual how long he would wait for initiation .

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^ And how long would it be before you could be absolutely certain that this next human instrument was never going to become untrue in some way?

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^ How you would sit down on the grave and wait for morning!

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.Whenever he felt inclined, he gave in his name as a candidate.^ Whenever he felt inclined, he gave in his name as a candidate.

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.This was usually done at the beginning of Lent.^ This was usually done at the beginning of Lent .

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.The bishop and clergy next examined the candidates one by one, and ascertained from their neighbours whether they had led such exemplary lives as to be worthy of admission.^ The bishop and clergy next examined the candidates one by one, and ascertained from their neighbours whether they had led such exemplary lives as to be worthy of admission.

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^ I see a mass of bones lying in yon corner: the living one looks at them, but they cannot hear or speak.

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^ For example, Cyril of Jerusalem, a prominent bishop and one of the "Doctors of the Church" who lived from about A.D. 313 to 386, said that rituals such as baptism were necessary.

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.In case of strangers from another church certificates of character had to be produced.^ In case of strangers from another church certificates of character had to be produced.

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^ In this case another person, other than the mother, must take the child to the Church for baptism, and then the priest must anoint the child with the Myron.

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.If a man seemed unworthy, the bishop dismissed him until another occasion, when he might be worthier; but if all was satisfactory he was admitted, in the West as a competens or asker, in the East as a cbcort ouevos, i.e. one in course of being illumined.^ If a man seemed unworthy, the bishop dismissed him until another occasion, when he might be worthier; but if all was satisfactory he was admitted, in the West as a competens or asker, in the East as a cbcort ouevos, i.e.

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^ On one occasion, I even rejected the honor of being the best man at a close friend's wedding unless he was willing to absolve me of the accompanying responsibility of being the baptismal sponsor for his first child.

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^ Whatever forms or ceremonies one might have gone through in his unconverted state, they were all lifeless and meaningless to him then.

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.Usually two sponsors made themselves responsible for the past life of the candidate and for the sincerity of his faith and repentance.^ When he truly repents of his past life of sins.

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^ Usually two sponsors made themselves responsible for the past life of the candidate and for the sincerity of his faith and repentance.

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^ The sponsor must be in at least their fourteenth year of age and lead a life in harmony with the faith and the role to be undertaken.

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.The essential thing was that a man should come to baptism of his own free will and not under compulsion or from hope of gain.^ In baptism I own that in myself I have no hope.

Baptism: What Saith the Scripture?, by Dr. H.A. Ironside 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gotothebible.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The essential thing was that a man should come to baptism of his own free will and not under compulsion or from hope of gain.

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^ On page 7 there is a picture of a man baptizing in a missionary setting in a river, with this caption under the picture: "Outdoor services and river baptisms are sometimes the best vehicles for growth."

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.Macarius of Jerusalem (op.^ Macarius of Jerusalem ( op.
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cit.) declares that the grace of the spirit is given in answer to our prayers and entreaties for it, and that even a font is not needful, but only the wish and desire for grace. .Tertullian, however, in his work On Baptism, holds that even that is not always enough.^ Tertullian prefaces with this idea his work on baptism.

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^ Tertullian, however, in his work On Baptism, holds that even that is not always enough.

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^ The burial in water has always been the practise of the Greek Church, its older patriarchates holding that there is no other baptism (Stanley, Eastern Church, Lecture i).

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.Some girls and boys at Carthage had asked to be baptized, and there were some who urged the granting of their request on the score that Christ said: " Forbid them not to come unto Me" (Matt.^ Who was it said “allow the little children to come unto Me”?

Pulpit Magazine » Blog Archive » When to Baptize Your Kids 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.sfpulpit.com [Source type: Original source]

^ And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized?

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^ Of those who heard, there will be some who will believe and be baptized.

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xix. .14), and: " To each that asketh thee give " (Luke vi.^ To each that asketh thee give " (Luke vi.

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30). Tertullian replies that " We must beware of giving the holy thing to dogs and of casting pearls before swine." He cites 1 Tim. v. .22: " Lay not on thy hands hastily, lest thou share in another's sins."^ Lay not on thy hands hastily, lest thou share in another's sins."

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^ On the contrary, this precept is rather to be looked at carefully: Give not the holy thing to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before swine; Matthew 7:6 and, Lay not hands easily on any ; share not other men's sins .

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^ Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done that which is evil in thy sight, so that thou art justified in thy sentence and blameless in thy judgment.

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.He denies that the precedents of the eunuch baptized by Philip or of Paul baptized without hesitation by Simon (to which the other party appealed) were relevant.^ In verse 38 , Philip baptized the eunuch.

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^ But Paul too was, in fact, 'speedily' baptized : for Simon, his host, speedily recognized him to be an appointed vessel of election.

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^ Philip baptized the Ethiopian eunuch after a short period of time during a chariot ride, after preaching Jesus to him.

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.He dwells on the risk run by the sponsors, in case the candidates for whose purity they went bail should fall into sin.^ If not, then they should not be baptized into the body.

Infant Baptism and the Bible: Should Babies Be Baptized? 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gospelway.com [Source type: Original source]

^ He dwells on the risk run by the sponsors, in case the candidates for whose purity they went bail should fall into sin.

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^ The candidate should also be admonished to be contrite for his sins.

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.It is more expedient, he concludes, to delay baptism.^ It is more expedient, he concludes, to delay baptism.

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^ If any understand the weighty import of baptism , they will fear its reception more than its delay: sound faith is secure of salvation .

CHURCH FATHERS: On Baptism (Tertullian) 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.newadvent.org [Source type: Original source]

^ He is the only one who even advised delay in baptism to infants for a thousand years or more after the apostles.

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.Why should persons still in the age of innocence be in a hurry to be baptized and win remission of sins ?^ Why should a person be baptized?

Baptism - Purpose: Essential Condition or Sign of Salvation? 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gospelway.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Why should a person be baptized in water?

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^ There is no age at which a person should be baptized.

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.Let people first learn to feel their need of salvation, so that we may be sure of giving it only to those who really want it.^ Let people first learn to feel their need of salvation, so that we may be sure of giving it only to those who really want it.

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^ Only those who are of an age of reason?

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^ Heb 1:14 informs us that angels are ministering spirits sent to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation .

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.Especially let the unmarried postpone it.^ Especially let the unmarried postpone it.

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.The risks of the age of puberty are extreme.^ The risks of the age of puberty are extreme.

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.Let people have married or be anyhow steeled in continence before they are admitted to baptism.^ Let people have married or be anyhow steeled in continence before they are admitted to baptism.

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^ But if they are pleased to fix upon the thirtieth year, why do they not observe it, but admit any one to baptism according to the view which they may have formed of his proficiency?

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^ Here let him plead the matter with God, by whose command circumcision was common to infants before they received understanding.

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.It would appear from the homilies of Aphraates (c. 340) that in the Syriac church also it was usual to renounce the married relation after baptism.^ Syriac church also it was usual to renounce the married relation after baptism.

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^ A child is married to the Church by baptism.

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^ It would appear from the homilies of Aphraates ( c.

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.Cyril of Jerusalem, in his Catecheses, insists on " the longing for the heavenly polity, on the goodly resolution and attendant hope " of the catechumen (Pro.^ Cyril of Jerusalem, in his Catecheses, insists on " the longing for the heavenly polity, on the goodly resolution and attendant hope " of the catechumen ( Pro.
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^ Cyril of Jerusalem, in his instruction of the catechumens, urges them to learn the Creed by heart, but not write it down.
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^ J. M. Lupton, 1909); Cyril of Jerusalem, Catecheses; Basil, De Spiritu Sancto; Constitutiones Apostolicae; Gregory Nazianzen, Orat.
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Cat. ch. i.). .If the resolution be not genuine, the bodily washing, he says, profits nothing.^ If the resolution be not genuine, the bodily washing, he says, profits nothing.

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." God asks for nothing else except a goodly determination.^ God asks for nothing else except a goodly determination.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ And why do we ask more, when the Judge himself publicly declares, that "except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God?"

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

^ God gives not his holy treasures to the dogs; but where he sees the goodly determination, there he bestows the seed of salvation..

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.Say not: How can my sins be wiped out?^ In this regard, notice that in Acts 3:19 Peter says, “Repent, therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out” — baptism is not mentioned.

Did Jesus Establish Baptism for the Dead? 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.irr.org [Source type: Original source]

^ He stops for a moment, leans on his shovel, and says how much he loved the Capitol Credit commercial and my scene on Boston Lawyers.

Michael J 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC users.rcn.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Ezekiel 39:29 I pour out my Spirit upon the house of Israel, says the Lord Jehovah.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ctrchurch-mhk.org [Source type: Original source]

.I tell thee, by willing, by believing " (ch.^ I tell thee, by willing, by believing " (ch.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

viii.). So again (Cat. I. ch. iii.) ." God gives not his holy treasures to the dogs; but where he sees the goodly determination, there he bestows the seed of salvation..^ God gives not his holy treasures to the dogs; but where he sees the goodly determination, there he bestows the seed of salvation..

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Tertullian replies that " We must beware of giving the holy thing to dogs and of casting pearls before swine ."

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ It is a washing by which we are cleansed of sins; a gift of grace by which the punishments due our sins are remitted; an illumination by which we behold that holy light of salvation -- that is, by which we see God clearly; and we call that perfection which leaves nothing lacking.

Born Again: Baptism in the Fathers 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bringyou.to [Source type: Original source]

.. .Those then who would receive the spiritual saving seal have need of a determination and will of their own..^ Those then who would receive the spiritual saving seal have need of a determination and will of their own..

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ For the Spirit is absent from all those who are born of the flesh, until they come to the water of re-birth; and then they receive the Holy Spirit....in the second birth, that through Baptism, they receive the Holy Spirit.

Born Again: Baptism in the Fathers 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bringyou.to [Source type: Original source]

^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.. .Grace has need of faith on our part."^ It is the faith of the believer which saves the unbeliever, for God grants the unbeliever the grace of faith on account of our faith and prayers, the faith of we who believe.

Body 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC bridegroompress.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Real conversion follows baptism, but rests partly upon the grace which it bestows and which only needs to be used by our free will.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Also, our parish is very progressive and sees a cornerstone of the Catholic faith as engagement in social justice issues which is also the type of community we want him to be part of.

Berkeley Parents Network: Baptism & Christening 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC parents.berkeley.edu [Source type: Original source]

.In Jerusalem, therefore, whither believers flocked from all over Christendom to be buried, the official point of view as late as A.D. 350 was entirely that of Tertullian.^ When a believer is baptised, all traces of original and personal sins are removed from his entire being.

The Sacrament of Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.catholicdoors.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Therefore, knowing this and believing this about Mormons, I do not find them to be all that threatening.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ First, an important point that is not generally answered by advocates of the general redemption view is that people who are eternally condemned to hell suffer the penalty for all of their own sins, and therefore their penalty could not have been fully taken by Christ.

Pulpit Magazine » Blog Archive » When to Baptize Your Kids 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.sfpulpit.com [Source type: Original source]

.Tertullian's scruples were not long respected in Carthage, for in Cyprian's works (c. 250.) we already hear of new-born infants being baptized.^ Sometimes one hears of infants already baptized being taken to the church and rebaptized.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The practice of infant baptism is acknowledged by Tertullian, born in Carthage A.D. 160.

The Sacraments - Baptism by A. A. Hodge 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.the-highway.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Tertullian's scruples were not long respected in Carthage, for in Cyprian's works ( c.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.In the same region of Africa, however, Monica would not let her son Augustine be baptized in boyhood, though he clamoured to be.^ In the same region of Africa , however, Monica would not let her son Augustine be baptized in boyhood, though he clamoured to be.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ For the Truth would not say, Go, baptize all nations in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, unless Thou were a Trinity" (The Trinity 15:28[51]).

What Early Christians believed about BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bible.ca [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ That the mode of administering it was the same as that of Christian baptism, however, I suppose no one would call in question, for, though we read of change in formula and object, we have no record of a change in mode.

Baptism: What Saith the Scripture?, by Dr. H.A. Ironside 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gotothebible.com [Source type: Original source]

She was a conservative. .In the Greek world thirty was a usual age in the 4th century for persons to be baptized, in imitation of Christ.^ In the Greek world thirty was a usual age in the 4th century for persons to be baptized, in imitation of Christ .

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ They were not baptized for the dead in imitation of Christ.

Baptized For the Dead 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.piney.com [Source type: Original source]

^ In Acts 2:38 (KJV), Peter said, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR (Greek eis ) the remission of sins."

BibleLessons.com 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblelessons.com [Source type: Original source]

.It is still the age preferred by the Baptists of Armenia.^ It is still the age preferred by the Baptists of Armenia.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.But it was often delayed until the deathbed, for the primitive idea that mortal sins committed after baptism were sins against the Holy Spirit and unforgivable, still influenced men, and survived among the Cathars up to the 14th century.^ The Holy Spirit and water are required for baptism.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For by baptism the Holy Spirit is received...

What Early Christians believed about BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bible.ca [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ The baptism of the Holy Spirit means receiving the Holy Spirit.

Pilgrim Platform: Ordinary Christianity for the World - A Comparison of Christian baptism traditions 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.pilgrim-platform.org [Source type: Original source]

.The fathers, however, of the 4th century emphasized already the danger of deferring the rite until men fall into mortal sickness, when they may be unconscious or paralysed or otherwise unable to profess their faith and repentance, or to swallow the viaticum.^ Infants are unable to repent or confess their faith.

Pilgrim Platform: Ordinary Christianity for the World - A Comparison of Christian baptism traditions 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.pilgrim-platform.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Evangelism is so important that only Christ-ordained men with supernatural gifts of knowledge and language can preach until the revelation was fully mature and put into practice.

Christ Sent Me Not to Baptize - 1 Corinthians 1:17 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.piney.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Until they are dead, men can have no right to be buried.

Baptism—A Burial 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.spurgeon.org [Source type: Original source]

.Gregory Theologus therefore (c. 340) suggests the age of three years as suitable for baptism, because by then a child is old enough, if not to understand the questions put to him, at any rate to speak and make the necessary responses.^ Gregory Theologus therefore ( c.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ This is because baptism is necessary for salvation.

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ His baptism speaks to him, therefore, of the election of the Father (I Pet.

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

.Gregory sanctions the baptism of infants only where there is imminent danger of death.^ Gregory sanctions the baptism of infants only where there is imminent danger of death.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Mormon writer Gregory A. Prince wonders at the coincidence that the book of Moroni, which contains this sole Book of Mormon reference to infant baptism, was produced in 1829, one year after the death at birth of Joseph and Emma’s firstborn child in 1828.

Did Jesus Establish Baptism for the Dead? 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.irr.org [Source type: Original source]

^ How could Calvin influence the Geneva’s Council on October 24, 1553 to sentence to death by burning Michael Servetus for denying the Trinity and infant baptism?

Baptism and the Early Church 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.cogwriter.com [Source type: Original source]

." It is better that they should be sanctified without their own sense of it than that they pass away unsealed and uninitiated."^ For it is better that they should be unconsciously sanctified than that they should depart unsealed and uninitiated."

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It is better that they should be sanctified without their own sense of it than that they pass away unsealed and uninitiated."

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ This, at least, we set down as incontrovertible, that none of the elect is called away from the present life without being previously sanctified and regenerated by the Spirit of God.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

.And he justifies his view by this, that circumcision, which foreshadowed the Christian seal (a payis), was imposed on the eighth day on those who as yet had no use of reason.^ Christ Himself was circumcised on the eighth day.

Why Baptize Infants? 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC home.worldchat.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Only those who are of an age of reason?

THE BIBLE, AND INFANT BAPTISM 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC matt1618.freeyellow.com [Source type: Original source]

^ And he justifies his view by this, that circumcision, which foreshadowed the Christian seal (a payis), was imposed on the eighth day on those who as yet had no use of reason.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.He also urges the analogue of " the anointing of the doorposts, which preserved the first-born by things that have no sense."^ He also urges the analogue of " the anointing of the doorposts, which preserved the first-born by things that have no sense."

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Some of what you watch may be understandable, but most of it probably will make no sense at all until you first hit the rewind button and watch the first hour and a half.

Baptism � An Old Testament Doctrine 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblelighthouse.com [Source type: Original source]

^ To be born in a Christian family is to be born in a place of privilege, the limits of which are in no sense defined by baptism, much less is it the door into it.

Baptism: What Saith the Scripture?, by Dr. H.A. Ironside 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gotothebible.com [Source type: Original source]

.On such grounds was justified the transition of a baptism which began as a spontaneous act of self-consecration into an opus operatum. How long after this it was before infant baptism became normal inside the Byzantine church, we do not exactly know, but it was natural that mothers should insist on their children being liberated from Satan and safeguarded from demons as soon as might be.^ For an infant, is the infant justified by the faith of the Church or by the baptism?

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ In their sermons to the faithful, the Holy Fathers of the Church insisted on the baptism of infants.

19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.fatheralexander.org [Source type: Original source]

^ F) Infant baptism was normal practice in the time of the early church.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ctrchurch-mhk.org [Source type: Original source]

.The change came more quickly in Latin than in Greek Christendom, and very slowly indeed in the Armenian and Georgian churches.^ The change came more quickly in Latin than in Greek Christendom, and very slowly indeed in the Armenian and Georgian churches.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Tischendorf, the great Greek editor, says, "The ordinary conclusion of the Gospel of Mark (16:9-21) is to be found in more than 500 Greek Manuscripts, is in all Syriac and Coptic manuscripts, in almost all Latin, and in the Gothic Version."

Why Be Baptized? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.christianhomesite.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Does he possess any of these in any degree any more than the cardinals, the bishops and priests under and associated with him in his church?

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mormonbeliefs.com [Source type: Original source]

.Augustine's insistence on original sin, a doctrine never quite accepted in his sense in the East, hurried on the change.^ Augustine's insistence on original sin, a doctrine never quite accepted in his sense in the East, hurried on the change.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ So, when we are cleaned from original sin, what exactly is changed?

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Original sin itself is an evil doctrine and it is not original sin that tries to taint good works.

SHOULD YOU GET YOUR BABY BAPTISED 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.religionislies.com [Source type: Original source]

7. Confirmation

.In the West, however, the sacrament has been saved from becoming merely magical by the rite of confirmation or of reception of the Spirit being separated from the baptism of regeneration and reserved for an adult age.^ In the West, however, the sacrament has been saved from becoming merely magical by the rite of confirmation or of reception of the Spirit being separated from the baptism of regeneration and reserved for an adult age.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ "This ordinance [Baptism] was regarded in the ancient church as the sacrament of the new birth or regeneration, and as the solemn rite of initiation into the Christian Church, admitting to all her benefits and committing to all her obligations....Its effect consists in the forgiveness of sins and the communication of the Holy Spirit.

Born Again: Baptism in the Fathers 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bringyou.to [Source type: Original source]

^ The Cathars of the middle ages discarded water baptism altogether as being a Jewish rite, but retained the laying on of hands with the traditio precis as sufficient initiation.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.The English church confirms at fifteen or sixteen; the Roman rather earlier.^ The English church confirms at fifteen or sixteen; the Roman rather earlier.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ It is baptism into the Roman Catholic Church, rather than salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, alone, that is taught by Romanism as the means to salvation.

B A P T I S M 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.godsonlygospel.com [Source type: Original source]

.The catechetic course, which formerly preceded the complete rite, now intervenes between its two halves; and the sponsors who formerly attested the worthiness of the candidate and received him up as anadochi out of the font, have become god-parents, who take the baptismal vows vicariously for infants who cannot answer for themselves.^ Of course they themselves feel sure of it, and cannot be talked out of it.

The Wonderful Ordinance of Water Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC cgg.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The catechetic course, which formerly preceded the complete rite, now intervenes between its two halves; and the sponsors who formerly attested the worthiness of the candidate and received him up as anadochi out of the font, have become god-parents, who take the baptismal vows vicariously for infants who cannot answer for themselves.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Infants cannot devote themselves.

Silly Daddy Comics: Silly Daddy on Baptizing Babies 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC joechiappetta.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

.In the East,on the contrary,the complete rite is read over the child, who is thus confirmed from the first.^ In the East,on the contrary,the complete rite is read over the child, who is thus confirmed from the first.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ How do you know that baptism isn't putting a demon into the child and that Jesus was the Son of God and not the first-born of Satan who empowered the rite to do that?

SHOULD YOU GET YOUR BABY BAPTISED 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.religionislies.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It was St. Peter himself who received the first Gentile converts into the Church by the rite of Baptism (ACTS 10:47-48).

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

.The Roman church already foreshadowed the change and gave a peculiar salience to confirmation as early as the 3rd century, when it decreed that persons already baptized by heretics, but reverting to the church should not be baptized over again, but only have hands laid on them.^ Why should a person be baptized?

Baptism - Purpose: Essential Condition or Sign of Salvation? 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gospelway.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Why should a person be baptized in water?

Baptism - Purpose: Essential Condition or Sign of Salvation? 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gospelway.com [Source type: Original source]

^ When should a person be baptized?

The Wonderful Ordinance of Water Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC cgg.org [Source type: Original source]

.It was otherwise in Africa and the East.^ It was otherwise in Africa and the East.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.Here they insisted in such cases on a repetition of the entire rite, baptism and confirmation together.^ Here they insisted in such cases on a repetition of the entire rite, baptism and confirmation together.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In the case of water baptism, those two words together simply mean "water immersion."

Grace Church - Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC atgrace.com [Source type: Original source]

^ In this case, Jesus is not asking James and John if they can swim in a baptismal pool, but is asking them if they can stand up to the suffering and crucifixion which He would experience.

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

.The Cathars of the middle ages discarded water baptism altogether as being a Jewish rite, but retained the laying on of hands with the traditio precis as sufficient initiation.^ The Cathars of the middle ages discarded water baptism altogether as being a Jewish rite, but retained the laying on of hands with the traditio precis as sufficient initiation.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Biblical baptism is by being "buried" in water.

A Bible Study Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC parentalguide.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism by the laying on of the hands .

The Method ob baptizing in TCC4 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC www.truebiblecode.com [Source type: Original source]

.This they called the spiritual baptism, and interpreted Matt.^ This they called the spiritual baptism, and interpreted Matt.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In their teachings and attempt to understand the Messianic age, they had identified the Messiah as the one who would call the nation together via a cleansing rite of baptism.

Why was Jesus Baptized 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.experiencegrace.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They are those which specify baptism, and ascribe to it, as do the others to water, a spiritually cleansing power.

Baptism by G.D.B. Peppers 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.shilohonline.org [Source type: Original source]

xxviii. .19, as a command to practise it, and not water baptism.^ Water baptism is commanded.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

^ God commands the act of water baptism.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

^ God commands water baptism.

The Wonderful Ordinance of Water Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC cgg.org [Source type: Original source]

8. Disciplina arcani

.The communication to the candidates of the Creed and Lord's Prayer was a solemn rite.^ The communication to the candidates of the Creed and Lord's Prayer was a solemn rite.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The Lord's Prayer was communicated with similar solemnity in the West ( traditio precis).

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ This is emphasized in the instructions of Caesarius of Arles and in those issued for the Frankish mission, where Charlemagne insisted that the sponsors should know the creed and the Lord's Prayer thoroughly.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

.Cyril of Jerusalem, in his instruction of the catechumens, urges them to learn the Creed by heart, but not write it down.^ Cyril of Jerusalem, in his instruction of the catechumens, urges them to learn the Creed by heart, but not write it down.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ They might not write it down, but learned it by heart and had to repeat it just before baptism.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ You know, if that was my gospel, I think i’d go out and learn how to write reams and reams of circularly reasoned material to mask the heart of what I believed, too!

Pulpit Magazine » Blog Archive » When to Baptize Your Kids 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.sfpulpit.com [Source type: Original source]

.On no account must they divulge it to unbaptized persons.^ On no account must they divulge it to unbaptized persons.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The honour due, on this account, must therefore be paid them, until they have rejected the offer, And, by their ingratitude, caused it to be transferred to the Gentiles.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They know this person better than anyone else and it is their decision and no one has the right to question that.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.The same rule already meets us in Clement of Alexandria before the year 200. In time this rule gave rise to what is called the Disciplina arcani. Following the fashion of the pagan mysteries in which men were only permitted to gaze upon the sacred objects after minute lustrations and scrupulous purifications, Christian teachers came to represent the Creed, Lord's Prayer and Lord's Supper as mysteries to be guarded in silence and never divulged either to the unbaptized or to the pagans.^ Why condemn us for following not only the command of the Lord but the Lord Himself?

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ By commenting briefly in question and answer form on the Ten Commandments, the Apostles' Creed, the Lord's Prayer, baptism, and the Lord's Supper, the Small Catechism explains the theology of the evangelical reformation.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.inplainsite.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Hence the sacraments came by analogy to be regarded as the Christian mysteries, or innermost secrets unveiled only to the initiated; and hence, likewise, the Lords Supper itself came to be called the Mass, from its being introduced by two repetitions, and followed by a third repetition, of the dismission formula, Ite, missa est !

The Sacraments - Baptism by A. A. Hodge 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.the-highway.com [Source type: Original source]

.And yet Justin Martyr, Tertullian and other apologists of the 2nd century had found nothing to conceal from the eye and ear of pagan emperors and their ministers.^ And yet Justin Martyr, Tertullian and other apologists of the 2nd century had found nothing to conceal from the eye and ear of pagan emperors and their ministers.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In the 3rd century this love of mystification reached the pitch of hiding even the gospels from the unclean eyes of pagans.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The New Testament, the Didache, Justin, Tertullian and other early sources do not enjoin the use of a font, and contemplate in general the use of running or living water.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.In the 3rd century this love of mystification reached the pitch of hiding even the gospels from the unclean eyes of pagans.^ In the 3rd century this love of mystification reached the pitch of hiding even the gospels from the unclean eyes of pagans.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ And yet Justin Martyr, Tertullian and other apologists of the 2nd century had found nothing to conceal from the eye and ear of pagan emperors and their ministers.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

Probably Mgr. .Pierre Battifol' is correct in supposing that the Disciplina arcani was more or less of a makebelieve, a bit of belletristic trifling on the part of the overrhetorical Fathers of the 4th and 5th centuries.^ Pierre Battifol' is correct in supposing that the Disciplina arcani was more or less of a makebelieve, a bit of belletristic trifling on the part of the overrhetorical Fathers of the 4th and 5th centuries.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ From the second century on the idea gradually gained ground that baptism works more or less magically.

Berkhof on Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Part of counting that cost is to love family and self less than God the Father and Jesus Christ.

The Wonderful Ordinance of Water Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC cgg.org [Source type: Original source]

.It is in them that the atmosphere of mystery attains a maximum of intensity.^ It is in them that the atmosphere of mystery attains a maximum of intensity.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.They clearly felt themselves called upon to out-trump the pagan Mystae. Yet it is inconceivable that men and women should spend years, even whole lives, as catechumens within the pale of the church, and really remain ignorant all the time of the Trinitarian Epiclesis used in baptism, of the Creed, and above all of the Lord's Prayer.^ All: Lord, hear our prayer.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Yet it is inconceivable that men and women should spend years, even whole lives, as catechumens within the pale of the church, and really remain ignorant all the time of the Trinitarian Epiclesis used in baptism, of the Creed, and above all of the Lord's Prayer.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ They are actually no baptism at all.

A Bible Study Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC parentalguide.com [Source type: Original source]

.Wherever the Disciplina arcani, i.e. the obligation to keep secret the formula of the threefold name, the creed based on it and the Lord's Prayer, was taken seriously, it was akin to the scruple which exists everywhere among primitive religionists against revealing to the profane the knowledge of a powerful name or magic formula.^ Lord's Prayer, was taken seriously, it was akin to the scruple which exists everywhere among primitive religionists against revealing to the profane the knowledge of a powerful name or magic formula.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Perhaps it might grow up without the magical power of baptism to keep it from sin and end up going to suffer in Hell forever.

SHOULD YOU GET YOUR BABY BAPTISED 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.religionislies.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It is NEVER to be done lightly and we would do well to protect ourselves and our children from “Taking the name of the LORD in vain” by doing anything based on emotions or impulse.

Pulpit Magazine » Blog Archive » When to Baptize Your Kids 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.sfpulpit.com [Source type: Original source]

.The name of a deity was often kept secret and not allowed to be written down,as among the Jews.^ The name of a deity was often kept secret and not allowed to be written down,as among the Jews .

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

9. Regeneration

.The idea of regeneration seldom occurs in the New Testament, and perhaps not at all in connexion with baptism; for in the conversation with Nicodemus, John ill.^ After all, the baptism wasn't his idea.

The Seeker: Should Mormons baptize dead Jews? 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC newsblogs.chicagotribune.com [Source type: General]

^ Baptism is "a sign of regeneration or the new birth."

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ The idea of baptism was not remotely new to the New Testament church.

Baptism � An Old Testament Doctrine 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblelighthouse.com [Source type: Original source]

3-8, the words " of water and " in v. .5 offend the context, spiritual 'Etudes historiques, Essai sur Disc.^ Etudes historiques, Essai sur Disc.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

arc. (Paris 1902).

re-birth alone being insisted upon in vv. .3, 6, 7 and 8; moreover, Justin Martyr, who cites v.^ Justin Martyr, who cites v.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Then, as proof, he cites Irenaeus (who was born before the death of the apostle John), Justin Martyr (138 A.D.), Tertullian (born 160 A.D.), Cyprian (253 A.D.), and Augustine (born 354 A.D.).

Why Does the Orthodox Presbyterian Church Baptize Infants? 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.opc.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Read again from Justin Martyr: "We also who by Him have had access to God, have not received the carnal circumcision, which Enoch and those like him observed, but spiritual circumcision; and we have received it by baptism."

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

5, seems to omit them. .Nor is there any mention of water in ch.^ Nor is there any mention of water in ch.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ First, they are in error in imagining that there is any mention of baptism in this passage, merely because the word water is used.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

i. .13, where, according to the oldest text, Christ is represented as having been born or begotten not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.^ God with man in Christ.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ctrchurch-mhk.org [Source type: Original source]

^ God was shown to be real because Christ was born a man.

Pilgrim Platform: Ordinary Christianity for the World - A Comparison of Christian baptism traditions 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.pilgrim-platform.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The first opinion was quite a favorite with many of the Fathers and Schoolmen, and they are fond of referring to the sanctification of the baptismal water by contact with the flesh of the God-man.

Baptism - Catholic Encyclopedia - Catholic Online 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.catholic.org [Source type: Original source]

In 1 Pet. i. .3, it is said of the saints that God the Father begat them anew unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus, and in v.^ No, but just to live unto God.

Baptism—A Burial 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.spurgeon.org [Source type: Original source]

^ God the Father begat them anew unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus, and in v.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Priest: I exorcise thee, every unclean spirit, in the name of God the Father + Almighty, in the name of Jesus + Christ, His Son, our Lord and Judge, and in the power of the Holy + Spirit, that thou be depart from this creature of God N, which our Lord hath deigned to call unto His holy temple, that it may be made the temple of the living God, and that the Holy Spirit may dwell therein.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.fisheaters.com [Source type: Original source]

.23 that they have been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible through the word of God.^ Being born again , not of corruptible seed , but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Baptized For the Dead 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.piney.com [Source type: Original source]

^ This is a question that all Roman Catholics should think about and work through if they take the matter of right belief in the one, true God seriously.

B A P T I S M 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.godsonlygospel.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The result is that God washes or sprinkles their human spirit so that God can seek them as their only Teacher through the now-discernable Word.

Baptized For the Dead 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.piney.com [Source type: Original source]

.But here again it is not clear that the writer has in view water baptism or any rite at all as the means and occasion of regeneration.^ He is not talking about water baptism here.

BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblestudymanuals.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Is water baptism in view or baptism in the Spirit?

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

^ But here again it is not clear that the writer has in view water baptism or any rite at all as the means and occasion of regeneration.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.In the conversation with Nicodemus we seem to overhear a protest against the growing tendency of the last years of the 1st century to substitute formal sacraments for the free afflatus of the spirit, and to "crib, cabin and confine" the gift of prophecy.^ In the conversation with Nicodemus we seem to overhear a protest against the growing tendency of the last years of the 1st century to substitute formal sacraments for the free afflatus of the spirit, and to " crib , cabin and confine" the gift of prophecy.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ By the power of the Holy Spirit, the Sacraments help the Christian to grow in his spiritual life to become more like Christ.

The Sacrament of Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.catholicdoors.com [Source type: Original source]

^ We hear of all three feasts being habitually chosen in Jerusalem early in the 4th century, but fifty years later baptisms seem to have been almost confined to Easter.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.The passage where re-birth is best put forward in connexion with baptism is Luke iii.^ The passage where re-birth is best put forward in connexion with baptism is Luke iii.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ After the birth of Christianity we find that persons baptized unto his baptism were re-immersed when the full truth of the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus was declared (Acts 19:1-5).

Baptism: What Saith the Scripture?, by Dr. H.A. Ironside 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gotothebible.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The idea of spiritual re-birth, so soon associated with baptism, was of wide currency in ancient religions.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

22, where ancient texts, including the Gospel of the Hebrews, read, " Thou art my beloved Son, this day have I begotten Thee." These words were taken in the sense that Jesus was then re-born of the Spirit an adoptive Son of God and Messiah; and with this reading is bound up the entire adoptionist school of Christology. .It apparently underlies the symbolizing of Christ as a fish in the art of the catacombs, and.^ It apparently underlies the symbolizing of Christ as a fish in the art of the catacombs, and.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

in the literature of the 2nd century. .Tertullian prefaces with this idea his work on baptism.^ Tertullian prefaces with this idea his work on baptism.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Tertullian, however, in his work On Baptism, holds that even that is not always enough.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.Nos pisciculi secundum Ixotn nostrum Jesum Christum in aqua nascimur.^ Nos pisciculi secundum Ixotn nostrum Jesum Christum in aqua nascimur.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

." We little fishes, after the example of our Fish Jesus Christ, are born in the water."^ We little fishes, after the example of our Fish Jesus Christ, are born in the water."

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ But we, little fishes after the example of our [Great] Fish, Jesus Christ, are born in water, nor have we safety in any other way than by permanently abiding in water.

What Early Christians believed about BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bible.ca [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Christ teaches that we are to be born again, not of the Spirit and of water, but of water and of the Spirit.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

.So about the year 440 the Gaulish poet Orientius wrote of Christ; Piscis natus aquis, auctor baptismatis ipse est.^ So about the year 440 the Gaulish poet Orientius wrote of Christ; Piscis natus aquis, auctor baptismatis ipse est.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ But there is nothing in the Scriptures about a requirement for ALL baptism candidates to profess their own belief in Christ (because the Church has baptized babies for 2,000 years).
Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

." A fish born of the waters is himself originator of baptism."^ A fish born of the waters is himself originator of baptism."

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Christ said unless one is born again of water - the rite of baptism by immersion - then one CANNOT enter into the kingdom of God.

LDS FAQ: The LDS Doctrine of Baptism (Mormon Baptism) 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.jefflindsay.com [Source type: Original source]

^ John 3:3,5 - unless we are "born again" of water and Spirit in baptism, we cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

.But before his time and within a hundred years of Tertullian this symbolism in its original significance had become heretical, and the orthodox were thrown back on another explanation of it.^ But before his time and within a hundred years of Tertullian this symbolism in its original significance had become heretical, and the orthodox were thrown back on another explanation of it.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ By Baptism we get remission of original and actual sins and God forgets them, so we become as pure as Adam before the fall.

The Sacrament of Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.copticchurch.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Even an unconverted six year old can be taught this by his baptism, perhaps becoming a converted six year old, but as the article said, that’s a point for another time and place :).

Pulpit Magazine » Blog Archive » When to Baptize Your Kids 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.sfpulpit.com [Source type: Original source]

.This was that the word Ixot/ is made up of the letters which begin the Greek words meaning " Jesus Christ, Son of God, Saviour."^ This was that the word Ixot / is made up of the letters which begin the Greek words meaning " Jesus Christ, Son of God, Saviour."

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

^ These words were taken in the sense that Jesus was then re-born of the Spirit an adoptive Son of God and Messiah ; and with this reading is bound up the entire adoptionist school of Christology.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.An entire mythology soon grew up around the idea of re-birth.^ An entire mythology soon grew up around the idea of re-birth.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ People I grew up around and people who’s opinions I not only know, but respect.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The idea of spiritual re-birth, so soon associated with baptism, was of wide currency in ancient religions.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.The font was viewed as the womb of the virgin mother church, who was in some congregations, for example, in the early churches of Gaul, no abstraction, but a divine aeon watching over and sympathizing with the children of her womb, the recipient even of hymns of praise and humble supplications.^ But let's consider an example from the early church.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bcbsr.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The font was viewed as the womb of the virgin mother church, who was in some congregations, for example, in the early churches of Gaul , no abstraction , but a divine aeon watching over and sympathizing with the children of her womb, the recipient even of hymns of praise and humble supplications.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ This fall away from the teachings of Jesus has even led to division in the Catholic Church, some groups breaking away from the direct descent of Peter.

The Sacrament of Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.catholicdoors.com [Source type: Original source]

.Other mythoplastic growths succeeded, one of which must be noticed.^ Other mythoplastic growths succeeded, one of which must be noticed.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ There is no Gospel that must be believed, by which a man is saved, other than the one that reveals the Righteousness of Christ.

B A P T I S M 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.godsonlygospel.com [Source type: Original source]

^ We cannot reject one to choose the other, but we must accept both of them.

Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

.The sponsors or anadochi, who, after the introduction of infant baptism came to be called god-fathers and god-mothers, were really in a spiritual relation to the children they took up out of the font.^ The sponsors or anadochi, who, after the introduction of infant baptism came to be called god-fathers and god-mothers, were really in a spiritual relation to the children they took up out of the font.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ They came up out of the water together is the way that it is worded.

The Wonderful Ordinance of Water Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC cgg.org [Source type: Original source]

^ This they called the spiritual baptism, and interpreted Matt.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.This relation was soon by the canonists identified with the blood-tie which connects real parents with their offspring, and the corollary drawn that children, who in baptism had the same god-parent, were real brothers and sisters, who might not marry either each the other or real children of the said god-parent.^ So with other Jewish parent and their children.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

^ This relation was soon by the canonists identified with the blood-tie which connects real parents with their offspring, and the corollary drawn that children, who in baptism had the same god-parent, were real brothers and sisters, who might not marry either each the other or real children of the said god-parent.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In the same way, but in superior fashion, does the faith of the parents stand in for the faith of the child at baptism, for baptism is not just prayer or supplication, it is a Divine act, performed by God on the human person.

Body 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC bridegroompress.com [Source type: Original source]

.The reformed churches have set aside this fiction, but in the Latin and Eastern churches it has created a distinct and very powerful marriage taboo.^ The reformed churches have set aside this fiction, but in the Latin and Eastern churches it has created a distinct and very powerful marriage taboo .

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The change came more quickly in Latin than in Greek Christendom, and very slowly indeed in the Armenian and Georgian churches.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopal, and Reformed Churches, traditionally say that sprinkling baptism is OK. The Scriptures very clearly show that what they do is wrong.

A Bible Study Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC parentalguide.com [Source type: Original source]

10. Relation to Repentance. - .Baptism justified the believer, that is to say, constituted him a saint whose past sins were abolished.^ We say that we believe in the baptism of disciples alone.

Founders Ministries Blog: Maybe we are baptizing fewer false converts 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC www.founders.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The Bible says that baptism is for the remission of sins.

why baptism is neccesary : MostHolyFamilyMonastery.com 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism justified the believer, that is to say, constituted him a saint whose past sins were abolished.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.Sin after baptism excluded the sinner afresh from the divine grace and from the sacraments.^ Sin after baptism excluded the sinner afresh from the divine grace and from the sacraments.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism is the only Sacrament that can take away the stain of original sin from our souls.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ One can lose the grace of baptism through mortal sins and by denying the true faith of Jesus Christ.

why baptism is neccesary : MostHolyFamilyMonastery.com 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com [Source type: Original source]

.He fell back into the status of a catechumen, and it was much discussed from the and century onwards whether he could be restored to the church at all, and, if so, how.^ He fell back into the status of a catechumen, and it was much discussed from the and century onwards whether he could be restored to the church at all, and, if so, how.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ We have also discussed how it is Christ who is putting you into His Church.

What Do You Mean Water Baptism? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.thercg.org [Source type: Original source]

^ As has been remarked above, the terror of postbaptismal sin and the fact that only one restoration was allowable influenced many as late as the 4th century to remain catechumens all their lives, and, like Constantine , to receive baptism on the deathbed alone.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.A rite was devised, called exhomologesis, by which, after a fresh term of repentance, marked by austerities more strict than any Trappist monk imposes on himself to-day, the persons lapsed from grace could re-enter the church.^ A rite was devised, called exhomologesis, by which, after a fresh term of repentance, marked by austerities more strict than any Trappist monk imposes on himself to-day, the persons lapsed from grace could re-enter the church.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ If you have a limited budget for a christening gift, remember that a tiny and well-chosen gift can be a much more personal gesture than a huge but unimaginative present.

Christening Gifts from Royal Selangor Pewter 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC christening.royalselangor.com [Source type: General]

^ This sorting effect could leave us with an higher concentration of pastors who are more committed to being Southern Baptist than being in churches that proclaims the Gospel to all people.

Founders Ministries Blog: Maybe we are baptizing fewer false converts 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC www.founders.org [Source type: Original source]

.In effect this rite was a repetition of baptism, the water of the font alone being omitted.^ Biblical baptism is by being "buried" in water.

A Bible Study Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC parentalguide.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The baptismal font is filled the clean water.

The Sacrament of Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.copticchurch.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism by water is alone the fullness of the sacrament.

Body 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC bridegroompress.com [Source type: Original source]

.Such restoration could in the earlier church only be effected once.^ If the salvation of our children were a matter of random choice, it would seem unreasonable for God to demand that only men who had believing children could be leaders of His church.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ctrchurch-mhk.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In the history of the Church there have been times when the truth of the Gospel could only be preserved through prophetic and charismatic leaders.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

^ It is the sign of regeneration, and although there may be many restorations, birth can take place only once.

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]
Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ctrchurch-mhk.org [Source type: Original source]

.A second lapse from the state of grace entailed perpetual exclusion from the sacraments, the means of salvation.^ A second lapse from the state of grace entailed perpetual exclusion from the sacraments, the means of salvation.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism is essential for salvation - though it is the grace of Christ that gives it any meaning.

LDS FAQ: The LDS Doctrine of Baptism (Mormon Baptism) 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.jefflindsay.com [Source type: Original source]

^ When the mother or the guardian father says, I believe for this child , they mean they believe in the grace that is granted to the child in the Sacrament of Baptism, which is the grace of sonship to God and the spiritual preparation for the Kingdom of God.

The Sacrament of Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.copticchurch.net [Source type: Original source]

.As has been remarked above, the terror of postbaptismal sin and the fact that only one restoration was allowable influenced many as late as the 4th century to remain catechumens all their lives, and, like Constantine, to receive baptism on the deathbed alone.^ I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins.

19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.fatheralexander.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Therefore, one receives forgiveness of sins WITHOUT water baptism.

Is Baptism Necesssary For Salvation? 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.evangelicaloutreach.org [Source type: Original source]

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.The same scruples endured among the medieval Cathars.^ The same scruples endured among the medieval Cathars.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.(See Penance and Novatianus.^ (See Penance and Novatianus .

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

) z r. Baptism for the Dead. - Paul, in i Cor. xv. .29, glances at this as an established practice familiar to those whom he addresses.^ When he came up after the immersion , those assembled addressed him saying: 'Unto whom has thou given thyself?

Baptized For the Dead 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.piney.com [Source type: Original source]

.Three explanations are possible: (I) The saints before they were quickened or made alive together with Christ, were dead through their trespasses and sins.^ When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bcbsr.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Three explanations are possible: (I) The saints before they were quickened or made alive together with Christ, were dead through their trespasses and sins.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ AND you hath he quickened , who were dead in trespasses and sins; Ephesians 2:1 .

Baptized For the Dead 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.piney.com [Source type: Original source]

.In baptism they were buried with Christ and rose, like Him, from the dead.^ In baptism they were buried with Christ and rose , like Him, from the dead.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ If we have not been united with Christ in the likeness of His death, burial, and resurrection, that is, baptism - then, we will not be in the likeness of His resurrection.

Why Be Baptized? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.christianhomesite.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism for the dead is the fundamental doctrine of Christ.

Baptized For the Dead 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.piney.com [Source type: Original source]

We can, therefore, paraphrase v. .29 thus: " Else what shall they do which are baptized for their dead selves ?"^ Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?

Baptized For the Dead 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.piney.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They were not baptized for the dead in imitation of Christ.

Baptized For the Dead 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.piney.com [Source type: Original source]

^ To proxi-baptize a Jew, though they are dead, is not a beneficial prayer for their souls to the family.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

&c. .It is in behalf of his own sinful, i.e. dead self, that the sinner is baptized and receives eternal' life.^ He made it a condition to receive eternal life.

What Do You Mean Water Baptism? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.thercg.org [Source type: Original source]

^ If, after baptism, we become subject to sin, it is not because our baptism was imperfect, but rather because we neglect the Commandments and prefer to dwell in self-indulgence through our own choice.

19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.fatheralexander.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Even if I could personally baptize you—and I have baptized several hundred people—I would still only be doing it as a servant of Christ, acting on His behalf , not on my own!

What Do You Mean Water Baptism? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.thercg.org [Source type: Original source]

.(2) Contact with the dead entailed a pollution which lasted at least a day and must be washed away by ablutions, before a man is re-admitted to religious cult.^ Contact with the dead entailed a pollution which lasted at least a day and must be washed away by ablutions, before a man is re-admitted to religious cult.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Wherefore, with prepared minds, approach as sons to a father, that your sins may be washed away, and it may be proved before God that ignorance was their sole cause.

LDS FAQ: The LDS Doctrine of Baptism (Mormon Baptism) 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.jefflindsay.com [Source type: Original source]

^ But as a rule the repentant underwent baptism in the name of Christ Jesus, and washed away their sins before hands were laid upon them unto reception of the Spirit.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

This was the rule among the Jews. Is it possible that the words " for the dead " signify " because of contact with the dead " ? .(3) Both these explanations are forced, and it is more probable that by a make-believe common in all religions, and not unknown in the earliest church, the sins of dead relatives, about whose salvation their survivors were anxious, were transferred into living persons, who assumed for the nonce their names and were baptized in their behalf, so in vicarious wise rendering it possible for the sins of the dead to be washed away.^ Now, we are dead to sin but we live for righteousness.

Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name" .

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.inplainsite.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name."

Silly Daddy Comics: Silly Daddy on Baptizing Babies 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC joechiappetta.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

The Mormons have this rite. .The idea of transferring sin into another man or into an animal, and so getting it purged through him or it, was widespread in the age of Paul and long afterwards.^ The idea of transferring sin into another man or into an animal, and so getting it purged through him or it, was widespread in the age of Paul and long afterwards.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him , that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."

Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

^ He afterwards brings forward the allegory that David when going up into mount Zion, took with him neither the blind nor the lame, but vigorous soldiers, (2 Sam.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

.Chrysostom says that the substitutes were put into the beds of the deceased, and assuming the voice of the dead asked for baptism and remission of sins.^ I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins.

19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.fatheralexander.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The Bible says that baptism is for the remission of sins.

why baptism is neccesary : MostHolyFamilyMonastery.com 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The purpose of baptism is to receive remission of sins.

Infant Baptism and the Bible: Should Babies Be Baptized? 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gospelway.com [Source type: Original source]

.Tertullian and others attest this custom among the followers of Cerinthus and Marcion.^ Tertullian and others attest this custom among the followers of Cerinthus and Marcion .

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

12. Use of the Name

In Acts iv. .7, the rulers and priests of the Jews summon Peter and inquire by what power or in what name he has healed the lame.^ Jews summon Peter and inquire by what power or in what name he has healed the lame.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Jn 3:1-3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.

Body 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC bridegroompress.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For example, Peter commands the Jews to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ to be saved (not just to become part of the Church's membership roll).

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

.Here a belief is assumed which pervades ancient magic and religion.^ Here a belief is assumed which pervades ancient magic and religion.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ When I try to explain Mormon beliefs to non-Mormons, it somes out sounding a little like the ancient Egyptian religion.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Only so far as we can get away from the modern view that a person's name is a trifling accident, and breathe the atmosphere which broods over ancient religions, can we understand the use of the name in baptisms, exorcisms, prayers, purifications and consecrations.^ Baptism is in the name of Jesus, not in the name of the person doing the baptism.

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Only so far as we can get away from the modern view that a person's name is a trifling accident , and breathe the atmosphere which broods over ancient religions, can we understand the use of the name in baptisms, exorcisms, prayers, purifications and consecrations.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.For a name carried with it, for those who were so blessed as to be acquainted with it, whatever power and influence its owner wielded in heaven or on earth or under the earth.^ As was the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; and as is the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven.

Body 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC bridegroompress.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Acts 4:12 says: There is NO salvation through ANYONE else, nor is there ANY other name under heaven given to the human race by which we are to be saved.

B A P T I S M 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.godsonlygospel.com [Source type: Original source]

^ This means that whatever the Church approved on earth by the grace of Jesus and the inspirations of the Holy Spirit for the glory of the Heavenly Father, Heaven will recognize it.

The Sacrament of Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.catholicdoors.com [Source type: Original source]

.A vow or prayer formulated in or through a certain name was fraught with the prestige of him whose name it was.^ So that by his/her progressing in true religion, your all-holy name, of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, may be glorified also through him/her, now and for ever, and to the ages of ages.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.anastasis.org.uk [Source type: Original source]

^ Let them pray silently to him alone as did Hannah, whose prayer was answered with Samuel, her son: .

The Method ob baptizing in TCC4 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC www.truebiblecode.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion [In Christian baptism there was an] “identification between the baptized and Him in whose name baptism took place.

Oneness of God - Questions and Answers 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC gloriouschurch.com [Source type: Original source]

.Thus the psalmist addressing Jehovah cries (Ps.^ Thus the psalmist addressing Jehovah cries (Ps.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

liv. .I): " Save me, 0 God, by Thy name, and judge me in Thy might."^ John 20:31: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Pilgrim Platform: Ordinary Christianity for the World - A Comparison of Christian baptism traditions 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.pilgrim-platform.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Help us; save us; have mercy on us; and keep us, O God, by Thy grace.

19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.fatheralexander.org [Source type: Original source]

^ An angel of God because of his prayers was sent to him to show him that something further was necessary in order that he and his house might, be saved (Acts 11:14).

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mormonbeliefs.com [Source type: Original source]

And in Acts iii. .16, it is the name itself which renders strong and whole the man who believed therein.^ (Acts 19:3-4) Paul re-baptized the believers in Ephesus who had only received the baptism of John and not baptism into the triune name.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ctrchurch-mhk.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Mark 16:16 - Jesus says to the crowd, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved."

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe."

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bcbsr.com [Source type: Original source]

In Acts xviii. .Is, the Jews assail Paul because he has trusted and appealed to the name of a Messiah whom they regard as an overthrower of the law; for Paul believed that God had invested Jesus with a name above all names, potent to constrain and overcome all lesser powers, good or evil, in heaven or earth or under earth.^ Hence, the good thief was destined for heaven because of his desire to be with Jesus.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ With this soon-coming government will be the institution of God’s laws all over the earth.

What Do You Mean Water Baptism? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.thercg.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Baptism � An Old Testament Doctrine 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblelighthouse.com [Source type: Original source]

.Baptism then in the name or through the name or into the name of Christ placed the believer under the influence and tutelage of Christ's personality, as before he was in popular estimation under the influence of stars and horoscope.^ Baptism is in the name of Jesus, not in the name of the person doing the baptism.

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism is in the name of Jesus Christ, not into the name of a local church or denomination.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

.Nay, more, it imported that personality into him, making him a limb or member of Christ's body, and immortal as Christ was immortal.^ 'Ye are the body of Christ and members in particular.'

Baptism: What Saith the Scripture?, by Dr. H.A. Ironside 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gotothebible.com [Source type: Original source]

^ To baptize into the name of a person, means "by baptism to bind anyone to recognize and publicly acknowledge the dignity and authority of one" (Thayer's Greek Lexicon, p 447) "Baptized Into Christ" Those who would have Paul to teach that baptism was not essential by the above language would make him contradict himself.

Why Be Baptized? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.christianhomesite.com [Source type: Original source]

^ We were buried therefore with Him through baptism into death: that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.” .

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

Nearly all the passages in which the word name is used in the New Testament become more intelligible if it be rendered personality. In Rev. xi. 13, the revisers are obliged to render it by persons, and should equally have done so in iii. 4: "Thou hast a few names (i.e. persons) in Sardis which did not defile their garments." (See CON Secration.) .13. Origin of Christian Baptism.^ This is the New Testament origin of Christian baptism.
His By Grace--"John Piper 4 Part Series on Baptism" 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gracesermons.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Christian baptism has its origin in the baptism of Jesus, in both a direct and historical sense.
Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.inplainsite.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The phrase, mode of application, has arisen from another practice than that of the original Christian baptism.
Baptism by G.D.B. Peppers 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.shilohonline.org [Source type: Original source]

- .When it is asked, Was this a - continuance of the baptism of John or was it merely the baptism of proselytes?^ When it is asked, Was this a - continuance of the baptism of John or was it merely the baptism of proselytes?

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In this case, Jesus is not asking James and John if they can swim in a baptismal pool, but is asking them if they can stand up to the suffering and crucifixion which He would experience.

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

^ There is a close continuity between Christian Baptism and John's baptism.

His By Grace--"John Piper 4 Part Series on Baptism" 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gracesermons.com [Source type: Original source]

- a distinction is implied between the two latter which was not always real. .In relation to the publicans and soldiers who, smitten with remorse, sought out John in the wilderness, his baptism was a purification from their past and so far identical with the proselyte's bath; but so far as it raised them up to be children unto Abraham and filled them with the Messianic hope, it advanced them further than that bath could do, and assured them of a place in the kingdom of God, soon to be established - this, without imposing circumcision on them; for the ordinary proselyte was circumcised as well as baptized.^ "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism for the remission of sins.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Could it have been, in Bible history, other than Johns baptism?

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

^ And they said, Unto John's baptism.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]
Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

.For the Jews, however, who came to John, his baptism could not have the significance of the proselyte's baptism, but rather accorded with another baptism undergone by Jews who wished to consecrate their lives by stricter study and practice of the law.^ For the Jews, however, who came to John, his baptism could not have the significance of the proselyte's baptism, but rather accorded with another baptism undergone by Jews who wished to consecrate their lives by stricter study and practice of the law.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ When Jesus came to John for baptism, he hesitated, but Jesus urged the demands of the law.

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ Could they have so acted if they or John had ever practiced baby baptism?

Baptism: What Saith the Scripture?, by Dr. H.A. Ironside 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gotothebible.com [Source type: Original source]

.So Epictetus remarks that he only really understands Judaism who knows " the baptized Jew " - (TOP 1 3€ aµpE'ov). We gather from Acts xix.^ So Epictetus remarks that he only really understands Judaism who knows " the baptized Jew " - ( TOP 1 3€ aµpE'ov).

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ We gather from Acts xix.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ A baptized person who is a member of a non-Catholic community, is not to be admitted except with a Catholic godparent, and then only as a witness of the Baptism.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

.4, that John had merely baptized in the name of the coming Messiah, without identifying him with Jesus of Nazareth.^ Jesus himself baptized not John 4:2 .

Christ Sent Me Not to Baptize - 1 Corinthians 1:17 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.piney.com [Source type: Original source]

^ John had merely baptized in the name of the coming Messiah, without identifying him with Jesus of Nazareth .

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Jesus baptizes him/her with the Holy Spirit .

Baptism � An Old Testament Doctrine 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblelighthouse.com [Source type: Original source]

.The apostolic age supplied this identification, and the normal use during it seems to have been " into Christ Jesus," or " in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ," or "of Jesus Christ " simply, or " of the Lord Jesus Christ."^ Acts 8:16 Samaritans “baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus” .

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism is in the name of Jesus Christ, not into the name of a local church or denomination.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

^ We are thus baptized into the name of Christ.

Why Be Baptized? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.christianhomesite.com [Source type: Original source]

.Paul explains these formulas as being equivalent to " into the death of Christ Jesus," as if the faithful were in the rite raised from death into everlasting life.^ Paul explains these formulas as being equivalent to " into the death of Christ Jesus," as if the faithful were in the rite raised from death into everlasting life.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism means participating in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Christ Jesus were baptized into His death” .

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

.The likeness of the baptismal ceremony with Christ's death and resurrection ensured a real union with him of the believer who underwent the ceremony, according to the well-known principle in sacris simulata pro veris accipi. But opinion was still fluid about baptism in the apostolic age, especially as to its connexion with the descent of the Spirit.^ Baptism portrays our death in the death of Christ.

His By Grace--"John Piper 4 Part Series on Baptism" 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gracesermons.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.

Body 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC bridegroompress.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism means participating in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

.The Spirit falls on the disciples and others at Pentecost without any baptism at all, and Paul alone of the apostles was baptized.^ The Spirit falls on the disciples and others at Pentecost without any baptism at all, and Paul alone of the apostles was baptized.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ All other baptisms are false baptisms.

Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

^ All others are saved without faith.

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

.So far was the afflatus of the Spirit from being conditioned by the rite, that in Acts x.^ So far was the afflatus of the Spirit from being conditioned by the rite, that in Acts x.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ But it is not clear how God or the Spirit is supposed to act upon man through the water or out of the water, how far through the agency of the body or how far through will and thought.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In the West, however, the sacrament has been saved from becoming merely magical by the rite of confirmation or of reception of the Spirit being separated from the baptism of regeneration and reserved for an adult age.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.44 ff., the gift of the Spirit was first poured out upon the Gentiles who heard the word preached so that they spoke with tongues, and it was only after these manifestations that they were baptized with water in the name of Jesus Christ at the instance of Peter.^ Keep in mind the words "pour out."

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ Jesus baptizes him/her with the Holy Spirit .

Baptism � An Old Testament Doctrine 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblelighthouse.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Acts 10:44-45 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word.

The Wonderful Ordinance of Water Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC cgg.org [Source type: Original source]

.We can divine from this passage why Paul was so eager himself to preach the word, and left it to others to baptize.^ We can divine from this passage why Paul was so eager himself to preach the word, and left it to others to baptize.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ He denies that the precedents of the eunuch baptized by Philip or of Paul baptized without hesitation by Simon (to which the other party appealed) were relevant.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ For which reason the 'peacemaking' apostle, for fear he should seem to claim all gifts for himself, says that he had been sent 'not to baptize, but to preach.'

What Early Christians believed about BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bible.ca [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.But as a rule the repentant underwent baptism in the name of Christ Jesus, and washed away their sins before hands were laid upon them unto reception of the Spirit.^ Baptism is in the name of Jesus, not in the name of the person doing the baptism.

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

^ But as a rule the repentant underwent baptism in the name of Christ Jesus, and washed away their sins before hands were laid upon them unto reception of the Spirit.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name."

Silly Daddy Comics: Silly Daddy on Baptizing Babies 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC joechiappetta.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

.Apollos, who only knew the baptism of John (Acts xviii.^ Apollos , who only knew the baptism of John (Acts xviii.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Acts 19:3 Ephesian synagogue had been baptized “into John's baptism,” but were baptized again “into the name of the Lord Jesus” .

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

^ A baptized person who is a member of a non-Catholic community, is not to be admitted except with a Catholic godparent, and then only as a witness of the Baptism.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

.2 4), needed only instruction in the prophetic gnosis at the hands of Priscilla and Aquila in order to become a full disciple.^ Priscilla and Aquila in order to become a full disciple .

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Therefore, Jesus' disciples baptized only those that accepted instruction.

Silly Daddy Comics: Silly Daddy on Baptizing Babies 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC joechiappetta.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

.On the other hand, in Acts xix.^ On the other hand, in Acts xix.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ And the gift is not like through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgement from one to condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift from many transgressions to an act of righteousness.

Silly Daddy Comics: Silly Daddy on Baptizing Babies 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC joechiappetta.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ There is no other way of conferring priesthood or the authority of God to act in his name, only under the hands and voice of those who lawfully possess it.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mormonbeliefs.com [Source type: Original source]

.1-7, twelve disciples, for such they were already accounted, who had been baptized into John's baptism, i.e. into the name of him that should follow John, but had not even heard of the Holy Spirit, are at Paur's instance re-baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.^ Acts 19:3 Ephesian synagogue had been baptized “into John's baptism,” but were baptized again “into the name of the Lord Jesus” .

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Jesus baptizes him/her with the Holy Spirit .

Baptism � An Old Testament Doctrine 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblelighthouse.com [Source type: Original source]

^ And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]
Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

.Then Paul himself lays hands on them and the Holy Ghost comes upon them, so that they speak with tongues and prophecy.^ Then Paul himself lays hands on them and the Holy Ghost comes upon them, so that they speak with tongues and prophecy.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ And when Paul laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them."

19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.fatheralexander.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Then they went laying their hands upon them, and they began to receive holy spirit (Acts 8).

The Method ob baptizing in TCC4 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC www.truebiblecode.com [Source type: Original source]

.Not only do we hear of these varieties of practice, but also of the laying on of hands; together with prayer as a substantive rite unconnected with baptism.^ Not only do we hear of these varieties of practice, but also of the laying on of hands; together with prayer as a substantive rite unconnected with baptism.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The Cathars of the middle ages discarded water baptism altogether as being a Jewish rite, but retained the laying on of hands with the traditio precis as sufficient initiation.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Here they insisted in such cases on a repetition of the entire rite, baptism and confirmation together.

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.The seven deacons were so ordained.^ The seven deacons were so ordained.

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.And this rite of laying on hands, which was in antiquity a recognized way of transmitting the occult power or virtue of one man into another, is used in Acts ix.^ And this rite of laying on hands, which was in antiquity a recognized way of transmitting the occult power or virtue of one man into another, is used in Acts ix.

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^ The Cathars of the middle ages discarded water baptism altogether as being a Jewish rite, but retained the laying on of hands with the traditio precis as sufficient initiation.

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^ They are imputed with the original sin of Adam and Eve (sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all - Romans 5:12) .

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ctrchurch-mhk.org [Source type: Original source]

.17, by Ananias, in order that Paul may recover his sight and be filled with the Holy Ghost.^ Ananias , in order that Paul may recover his sight and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ We have been blinded: May we not recover our sight?

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Twelve men in Ephesus thought they had received John's baptism, but because they had not heard about the holy Ghost, the aposlte Paul disagreed.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

.Saul and Barnabas equally are separated for a certain missionary work by imposition of hands with prayer and fasting, and are so sent forth by the Holy Ghost.^ Saul and Barnabas equally are separated for a certain missionary work by imposition of hands with prayer and fasting, and are so sent forth by the Holy Ghost.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ These disciples were then baptized again, and then received the Holy Ghost after Paul laid his hands upon them.

LDS FAQ: The LDS Doctrine of Baptism (Mormon Baptism) 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.jefflindsay.com [Source type: Original source]

^ This kind (of demon) goeth not forth except by prayer and fasting."

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.It was also a way of healing the sick (Acts xxviii.^ It was also a way of healing the sick (Acts xxviii.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.8), and as such accompanied by anointing with oil (Jas.^ The priest comes and anoints her with the holy Myron oil on her external members only, such as on her head, her senses; ears, eyes, nostrils, mouth and both wrists.

The Sacrament of Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.copticchurch.net [Source type: Original source]

v. 14). The Roman church. then had early precedents for separating confirmation from baptism.t. .It would also appear that in the primitive age confirmation and ordination were one and the same rite; and so they continued to be among the dissident believers of the middle ages, who, however, often dropped the water rite altogether.^ Those who do not believe they will not take water baptism and they will be damned.

Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It would also appear that in the primitive age confirmation and ordination were one and the same rite; and so they continued to be among the dissident believers of the middle ages, who, however, often dropped the water rite altogether.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Water baptism is for those who believe.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

(See Cathars.) .More than one sect of the 2nd century rejected water baptism on the ground that knowledge of the truth in itself makes us free, and that external material washing of a perishable body cannot contribute to the illumination of the inner man, complete without it.^ I cannot describe it any more than that.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Water baptism cannot do this.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The washing away refers to water baptism.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

.St Paul himself recognizes (z Cor.^ St Paul himself recognizes (z Cor.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

vii. .14) that children, one of whose parents only is a believer, are ipso facto not unclean, but holy. Even an unbelieving husband or wife is sanctified by a believing partner.^ The unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife...by the husband; else were your children unclean; but now are they holy).

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In 1 Corinthians 7:13-14, the Bible explicitly states that God considers the children of believers to be different holy, even if only one of their parents if a believer.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ctrchurch-mhk.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Even an unbelieving husband or wife is sanctified by a believing partner.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.If we remember the force of the words aywos erycaq"w (cf.^ If we remember the force of the words aywos erycaq"w (cf.

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r Cor.

i. .2), here used of children and parents, we realize how far off was St Paul from the positions of Augustine.^ According to St Thomas Aquinas in the Summa 3 q 68, 10 ad 2, children should not be baptised without the consent of the parents for the parents have immediate authority over them.

SHOULD YOU GET YOUR BABY BAPTISED 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.religionislies.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Here we may see how he acts towards us as a most provident parent, not ceasing to care for us even after our death, but consulting and providing for our children.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Here in Hebrews 9:10 the word is used to describe ceremonial washings required by the rituals of Judaism which describes an item which is immersed beneath water and then the object was shaken off.

BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblestudymanuals.net [Source type: Original source]

.The question arises whether Jesus Himself instituted baptism as a condition of entry into the Messianic kingdom.^ The question arises whether Jesus Himself instituted baptism as a condition of entry into the Messianic kingdom.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Also, Jesus baptism was not the Christian baptism He later instituted.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ First Condition of Entry into the Church: .

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

The fourth gospel (iii. 22, and iv. .I) asserts that Jesus Himself baptized on a greater scale than the Baptist, but immediately adds that Jesus Himself baptized not, but only His disciples, as if the writer felt that he had too boldly contradicted the older tradition of the other gospels.^ The disciples of Jesus baptized when they were with Him.

A Bible Study Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC parentalguide.com [Source type: Original source]

^ This is the only Gospel account of Jesus' disciples baptizing people.

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

^ So it was considered as if Jesus Himself had baptized them.

The Wonderful Ordinance of Water Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC cgg.org [Source type: Original source]

.Nor in these is it recorded that the disciples baptized during their Master's lifetime; indeed the very contrary is implied.^ Nor in these is it recorded that the disciples baptized during their Master's lifetime; indeed the very contrary is implied.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In these circumstances it seems very rash to assume that the word was applied to the Christian rite in its primitive meaning of "to dip"; or indeed that any implication of that primitive meaning still clings to it in this application.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ These children are counted as disciples, and the disciples of Christ ought to be baptized.

Why Baptize Infants? 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC home.worldchat.com [Source type: Original source]

.There remain two texts in which the injunction to baptize is attributed to Jesus, namely, Mark xvi.^ There remain two texts in which the injunction to baptize is attributed to Jesus, namely, Mark xvi.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ We, therefore, are baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The event was recorded as "they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus" to mean that they were giving water baptism in the authority given to them by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

16 and Matt. xxviii. .18-20. Of these the first is part of an appendix headed " of Ariston the elder " in an old Armenian codex, and taken perhaps from the lost compilations of Papias; as to the other text, it has been doubted by many critics, e.g. Neander, Harnack, Dr Armitage Robinson and James Martineau, whether it represents a real utterance of Christ and not rather the liturgical usage of the region in which the first gospel was compiled.^ Neander, Harnack, Dr Armitage Robinson and James Martineau , whether it represents a real utterance of Christ and not rather the liturgical usage of the region in which the first gospel was compiled.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Of these the first is part of an appendix headed " of Ariston the elder " in an old Armenian codex, and taken perhaps from the lost compilations of Papias ; as to the other text, it has been doubted by many critics, e.g.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ First, preach the Gospel, leading to a conviction of sin in the hearts of those God calls, and leading to repentance and faith in Christ.

The Wonderful Ordinance of Water Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC cgg.org [Source type: Original source]

.The circumstance, unknown to these critics when they made their conjectures, that Eusebius Pamphili, in nearly a score of citations, substitutes the words " in My Name " for the words " baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost," renders their conjectures superfluous.^ It is not in opposition to the language of Matthew 28 where baptizing is to be in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The disciples of Jesus Christ gave baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Matthew 28:19 “baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” .

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

.Aphraates also in citing the verse substitutes " and they shall believe in Me " - a paraphrase of " in My Name."^ And I will be their God, and they shall be my people .

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ctrchurch-mhk.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Aphraates also in citing the verse substitutes " and they shall believe in Me " - a paraphrase of " in My Name."

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^ The circumstance, unknown to these critics when they made their conjectures, that Eusebius Pamphili, in nearly a score of citations, substitutes the words " in My Name " for the words " baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost," renders their conjectures superfluous.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.The first gospel thus falls into line with the rest of the New Testament.^ The first gospel thus falls into line with the rest of the New Testament.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Since the New Testament was written in the Greek language when translating it into English, the translators left this Greek word untranslated.

The Wonderful Ordinance of Water Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC cgg.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Thus, we have yet another New Testament passage discussing baptism, which points us back to the Old Testament.

Baptism � An Old Testament Doctrine 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblelighthouse.com [Source type: Original source]

.14. Analogous Rites in other Religions (see also Purification).^ Analogous Rites in other Religions (see also Purification ).

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ For still others it is all three, as they see the Spirit operative throughout the rite.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

- .The Fathers themselves were the first to recognize that " the devil too had his sacraments," and that the Eleusinian, Isiac, Mithraic and other mystae used baptism in their rites of initiation.^ The Fathers themselves were the first to recognize that " the devil too had his sacraments," and that the Eleusinian, Isiac, Mithraic and other mystae used baptism in their rites of initiation.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The Cathars of the middle ages discarded water baptism altogether as being a Jewish rite, but retained the laying on of hands with the traditio precis as sufficient initiation.

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^ Furthermore, although immersion was described in the Gospels as used in some baptisms (as in the Baptism of the eunuch by Philip), other baptisms mentioned were done by infusion.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

.But it is not to be supposed that the Christians borrowed from these or from any Gentile source any essential features of their baptismal rites.^ By these words are designated, respectively, the two essential constituents of the rite.

Baptism by G.D.B. Peppers 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.shilohonline.org [Source type: Original source]

^ If, now, these passages, which I have cited, refer directly to baptism, as many first-class interpreters believe, and as to me seems most obvious, they give to the element, water, a significance which at once makes it vital and essential to the rite.

Baptism by G.D.B. Peppers 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.shilohonline.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The usual argument against infant baptism, often borrowed from some of our separated Christian brethren (e.g., the Baptists) who deny the validity of infant Baptism, is as follows: .

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

.Baptism was long before the advent of Jesus imposed on proselytes, and existed inside Judaism itself.^ What about baptism as it existed before Jesus instituted the New Covenant?

DeYoung, Restless, and Reformed: Why I Baptize Babies 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.revkevindeyoung.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism was long before the advent of Jesus imposed on proselytes, and existed inside Judaism itself.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ But as a rule the repentant underwent baptism in the name of Christ Jesus, and washed away their sins before hands were laid upon them unto reception of the Spirit.

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.It has been remarked that the developed ceremony of baptism, with its threefold renunciation, resembles the ceremony of Roman law known as emancipatio, by which the patria potestas (or power of life and death of the father over his son) was extinguished.^ It has been remarked that the developed ceremony of baptism, with its threefold renunciation, resembles the ceremony of Roman law known as emancipatio, by which the patria potestas (or power of life and death of the father over his son) was extinguished.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The likeness of the baptismal ceremony with Christ's death and resurrection ensured a real union with him of the believer who underwent the ceremony, according to the well-known principle in sacris simulata pro veris accipi.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ We were buried therefore with Him through baptism into death: that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.” .

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

.Under the law of the XII. Tables the father lost it, if he three times sold his child.^ Under the law of the XII. Tables the father lost it, if he three times sold his child.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

What Early Christians believed about BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bible.ca [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ The priest breathes three times on the child, and orders the profane spirit to come out from this childs life, by the order and power of the Holy Spirit.

The Sacrament of Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.copticchurch.net [Source type: Original source]

.This suggested a regular procedure, according to which the father sold his son thrice into mancipium, while after each sale the fictitious vendee enfranchized the son, by manumissio vindicta, i.e. by laying his rod (vindicta) on the slave and claiming him as free (vindicatio in libertatem). Then the owner also laid his rod on the slave, declaring his intention to enfranchise him, and the praetor by his addictor confirmed the owner's declaration.^ This suggested a regular procedure, according to which the father sold his son thrice into mancipium, while after each sale the fictitious vendee enfranchized the son, by manumissio vindicta, i.e.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Then the owner also laid his rod on the slave, declaring his intention to enfranchise him, and the praetor by his addictor confirmed the owner's declaration.

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^ But if thou hast not either, pour water upon the head thrice, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

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.The third manumission thus gave to the son and slave his freedom.^ The third manumission thus gave to the son and slave his freedom.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.It is possible that this common ceremony of Roman law suggested the triple abrenunciatio of Satan.^ It is possible that this common ceremony of Roman law suggested the triple abrenunciatio of Satan.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Confession should be changed because it is not as accurate as it should be, then it is possible that the language concerning the ceremonial laws being called signs and seals may be subject to change.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

.Like the legal ceremony, baptism freed the believer from one (Satan) who, by the mere fact of the believer's birth, had power of death over him.^ Water baptism is like a ceremony of marriage.

Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Water baptism is for those who believe.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Like the legal ceremony, baptism freed the believer from one (Satan) who, by the mere fact of the believer's birth, had power of death over him.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.And as the legal manumission dissolved a son's previous agnatic relationships, so, too, the person baptized gave up father and mother, &c., and became one of a society of brethren the bond between whom was not physical but spiritual.^ And as the legal manumission dissolved a son's previous agnatic relationships, so, too, the person baptized gave up father and mother, &c., and became one of a society of brethren the bond between whom was not physical but spiritual.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.inplainsite.org [Source type: Original source]

^ God the Father was well pleased in the baptism of Jesus Christ, he baptized him with the Holy Ghost, and called him beloved Son.

Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

.The idea of adoption in baptism as a son and heir of God was almost certainly taken by Paul from Roman law.^ Certainly we can get some idea about baptism from it.

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ The idea of adoption in baptism as a son and heir of God was almost certainly taken by Paul from Roman law.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ It has been remarked that the developed ceremony of baptism, with its threefold renunciation, resembles the ceremony of Roman law known as emancipatio, by which the patria potestas (or power of life and death of the father over his son) was extinguished.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.The ceremony of turning to the west three times with renunciation of the Evil One, then to the east, is exactly paralleled in a rite of purification by water common among the Malays and described by Skeat in his book on Malay magic.^ The ceremony of turning to the west three times with renunciation of the Evil One, then to the east, is exactly paralleled in a rite of purification by water common among the Malays and described by Skeat in his book on Malay magic.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The sharing in one bread and the common cup in a given place demonstrates and effects the oneness of the sharers with Christ and with their fellow sharers in all times and places.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Christ said unless one is born again of water - the rite of baptism by immersion - then one CANNOT enter into the kingdom of God.

LDS FAQ: The LDS Doctrine of Baptism (Mormon Baptism) 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.jefflindsay.com [Source type: Original source]

.If the Malay rite is not derived through Nlahommedanism from Christianity, it is a remarkable example of how similar psychological conditions can produce almost identical rites.^ If the Malay rite is not derived through Nlahommedanism from Christianity , it is a remarkable example of how similar psychological conditions can produce almost identical rites.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ How do you know that baptism isn't a satanic or witchcraft rite that has been made to look Christian?

SHOULD YOU GET YOUR BABY BAPTISED 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.religionislies.com [Source type: Original source]

^ See how honourably he thinks of Christian baptism, when he tests it by the profane rites of the Gentiles, and will not have it administered except in the way pleasing to Trismegistus.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

.The idea of spiritual re-birth, so soon associated with baptism, was of wide currency in ancient religions.^ The idea of spiritual re-birth, so soon associated with baptism, was of wide currency in ancient religions.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Dieterich (Leipzig, 1903) under the title of Eine Mithrasliturgie, an ancient mystic describes his re-birth in impressive language.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ After the birth of Christianity we find that persons baptized unto his baptism were re-immersed when the full truth of the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus was declared (Acts 19:1-5).

Baptism: What Saith the Scripture?, by Dr. H.A. Ironside 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gotothebible.com [Source type: Original source]

.It is met with in Philo of Alexandria and was familiar to the Jews.^ It is met with in Philo of Alexandria and was familiar to the Jews.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.Thus the proselyte is said in the Talmud to resemble a child and must bathe in the name of God.^ Thus the proselyte is said in the Talmud to resemble a child and must bathe in the name of God.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Does God ever save an infant as such, or must the child first be capable of faith?

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Thus, if a parent does not belong to a church that baptizes infants, the parent must patiently wait until the child is grown and upon his profession of salvation, then he can be baptized.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

.The Jordan is declared in 2 Kings v.^ The Jordan is declared in 2 Kings v.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.Io to be a cleansing medium, and Naaman's cure was held to pre-figure Christian baptism.^ Io to be a cleansing medium, and Naaman's cure was held to pre-figure Christian baptism.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ This concept of cleansing from sin is a key picture in Christian baptism.

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Although John’s baptism contains many elements of Christian baptism, it was a pre-Christian Jewish tradition and was superceded by better things which Jesus instituted.

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

Jerome relates that the Jew who taught him Hebrew communicated to him a teaching of the Rabbi Baraciba, that the inner man who rises up in us at the fourteenth year after puberty (i.e. at 29) is better than the man who is born from the mother's womb.

.In a Paris papyrus edited by Albr.^ In a Paris papyrus edited by Albr.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.Dieterich (Leipzig, 1903) under the title of Eine Mithrasliturgie, an ancient mystic describes his re-birth in impressive language.^ Dieterich (Leipzig, 1903) under the title of Eine Mithrasliturgie, an ancient mystic describes his re-birth in impressive language.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The idea of spiritual re-birth, so soon associated with baptism, was of wide currency in ancient religions.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.In a prayer addressed to " First birth of my birth, first beginning (or principle) of my beginning, first spirit of the spirit in me," he prays " to be restored to his deathless birth (genesis), albeit he is let a.nd hindered by his underlying nature, to the end that according to the pressing need and spur of his longing he may gaze upon the deathless principle with deathless spirit, through the deathless water, through the solid and the air; that he may be re-born through reason (or idea), that he may be consecrated, and the holy spirit breathe in"him, that he may admire the holy fire, that he may behold the abyss of the Orient, dread water, and that he may be heard of the quickening and circumambient ether; for this day he is about to gaze on the revealed reality with deathless eyes; a mortal born of mortal womb, he has been enhanced in excellence by the might of the All-powerful and by the right hand of the Deathless one," &c.^ Water is associated with physical birth as we are all born in water and when the water breaks we are born.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bcbsr.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Christ teaches that we are to be born again, not of the Spirit and of water, but of water and of the Spirit.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Holy Spirit fell upon all them which heard the Word.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.inplainsite.org [Source type: Original source]

.This is but one specimen of the pious ejaculations, which in the first centuries were rising from the lips of thousands of mystae, in Egypt, Asia Minor, Italy and elsewhere.^ This is but one specimen of the pious ejaculations, which in the first centuries were rising from the lips of thousands of mystae, in Egypt , Asia Minor , Italy and elsewhere.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.The idea of re-birth was in the air; it was the very keynote of all the solemn initiations and mysteries - Mythraic, Orphic, Eleusinian - through which repentant pagans secured pardon and eternal bliss.^ The idea of re-birth was in the air; it was the very keynote of all the solemn initiations and mysteries - Mythraic, Orphic, Eleusinian - through which repentant pagans secured pardon and eternal bliss.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The idea of spiritual re-birth, so soon associated with baptism, was of wide currency in ancient religions.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ It is worth noting that in the Eleusinian mysteries the candidate to be initiated had a similar sponsor, known as mystagogos.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

.Yet there is not much evidence that the church directly borrowed many of its ceremonies or interpretations from outside sources.^ Yet there is not much evidence that the church directly borrowed many of its ceremonies or interpretations from outside sources.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Today, there is a strong tendency in many churches to restore the diaconate as an ordained ministry with its own dignity and meant to be exercised for life.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Yet many churches hold that the tradition of the Church in this regard must not be changed.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

.They for the most part originated among the believers, and not improbably the outside cults borrowed as much from the church as it from them.^ They for the most part originated among the believers, and not improbably the outside cults borrowed as much from the church as it from them.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ They do it because they are told to do it by the top-down hierarchy, but basically, I believe, it is meaninglss to most Mormons who participate in it.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They believe that all of God's revelation is found in the Bible, and that nothing outside of the Bible is necessary for our salvation.

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

Authorities

.The following ancient works are recommended: Tertullian, De Baptismo (edition with introd.^ The following ancient works are recommended: Tertullian, De Baptismo (edition with introd.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ To judge from Tertullian's most detailed account in the De baptismo, there was a period of preparation, marked by frequent prayers, fasting, vigils, and confession of sin.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

.J. M. Lupton, 1909); Cyril of Jerusalem, Catecheses; Basil, De Spiritu Sancto; Constitutiones Apostolicae; Gregory Nazianzen, Orat. 40; Gregory Nyss., Oratio in eos qui differunt baptismum; Sacramentary of Serapion of Thmuis; Augustine, De Baptismo contra Donatistas; Jac.^ Gregory Nyss., Oratio in eos qui differunt baptismum; Sacramentary of Serapion of Thmuis; Augustine, De Baptismo contra Donatistas; Jac.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Gregory Nazianzen in his "Discourse on Holy Baptism" ( Orat., xl, MPG, xxxvi, 360 sqq.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ His most important early writing on the subject is the comprehensive work De baptismo contra Donatistas libri vii ( MPL , xliii), with which may be coupled the smaller treatise De unico baptismo contra Petilianum (ibid.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

.Goar, Rituale Graecorum (gives the current Greek rites); F. C. Conybeare, Rituale Armenorum (the oldest forms of Armenian and Greek rites); Gerard G. Vossius, De Baptismo (Amsterdam, 1648); Edmond Martene, De Ant.^ Goar, Rituale Graecorum (gives the current Greek rites); F. C. Conybeare, Rituale Armenorum (the oldest forms of Armenian and Greek rites); Gerard G. Vossius , De Baptismo (Amsterdam, 1648); Edmond Martene, De Ant.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In the oldest Greek, Armenian, Syrian and other rites of baptism, a service of giving a Christian (i.e.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Its immediate primitive, the Greek verb baptein, from which it is formed by adding the termination -izein, which gives it a repetitive or intensive meaning (cf.
Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

.Ecclesiae Ritibus (gives Western rites) (Bassani, 1788).^ Ecclesiae Ritibus (gives Western rites) (Bassani, 1788).

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.The modern literature is infinite; perhaps the most exhaustive works are W. F. HOfling, Das Sacrament der Taufe (Erlangen, 1859); Jos.^ The modern literature is infinite ; perhaps the most exhaustive works are W. F. HOfling, Das Sacrament der Taufe (Erlangen, 1859); Jos.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.Bingham's Antiquities (London, 1834), and W. Wall, On Infant Baptism (London, 1707); J. Anrich, Das antike Mysterienwesen (Göttingen, 1894), details the corresponding rites of the Greek mysteries, also A. Dieterich, Eine Mithras Liturgie (Leipzig, 1903); J. C. Suicer, Thesaurus, sub voce 1 310rT1.0-µ.a; Ad.^ This comes from Luis Berkhof’s Systematic Theology where he cites two sources, a commentary on the Mishna by Schuerer, and Wall’s The History of Infant Baptism, Oxford, 1836.

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Infant Baptism, new ad., London, 1882 (an old classic); J. W. Dale, Inquiry into the Meaning and Usage of the Word Baptize, 4 vols., viz.: Usage of Classical Greek Writers, Philadelphia, 1867; Judaic Baptism, Boston, 1873; Johannic Baptism, Philadelphia, 1872; Christic and Patristic Baptism.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Every letter in the Greek is transliterated to a corresponding English letter with the last "a" being dropped to provide the more English accommodating pronunciation resulting in the word "baptism".

BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblestudymanuals.net [Source type: Original source]

.Harnack, Dogmengeschichte (Freiburg im Br.^ Harnack, Dogmengeschichte (Freiburg im Br.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.1894); L. Duchesne, Origines du culte chretien (Paris, 1898); Mgr.^ Leipsie, 1899; L. Duchesne, Origines du cults chretien, pp.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Paris, 1896; idem, Les Origines du culte chretien, ib.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ L. Duchesne, Origines du culte chretien (Paris, 1898); Mgr.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.P. Batiffol, Etudes historiques (Paris, 1904); J. C. W. Augusti, Denkwiirdigkeiten (Leipzig, 1829-1831); Monumenta Ecclesiae Liturgica by Dom Cabrol and Dom Leclercq (Paris, 1902) (a summary of all liturgical passages given in the early Fathers); Corblet, Histoire du sacrement de bapteme (2 vols.^ And this is my doctrine, and it is the doctrine which the Father hath given unto me; and I bear record of the Father, and the Father beareth record of me, and the Holy Ghost beareth record of the Father and me; and I bear record that the Father commandeth all men, everywhere, to repent and believe in me.

LDS FAQ: The LDS Doctrine of Baptism (Mormon Baptism) 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.jefflindsay.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Paris, 1903; V. Ermoni, Le Bapteme dans l'eplise primitive, Paris, 1904; T. F. Fotheringham, in Princeton Review, 1905; 0.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

.Paris, 1881-1882).^ Paris, 1881-1882).

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Etymology

From Ancient Greek βαπτισμός (baptismós), “‘dipping, baptism’”), from βαπτίζω (baptízō), “‘I dip in liquid’”).

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baptism

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baptism (plural baptisms)

The Christian sacrament in which one is anointed with or submerged in water and sometimes given a name.
A similar ceremony of initiation, purification or naming.

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Christian sacrament with water

Azeri: vəftiz az(az)
Bulgarian: кръщение bg(bg)
Chinese:

Mandarin: 洗禮 cmn(cmn), 洗礼 cmn(cmn) (xǐlǐ)
Croatian: krštenje hr(hr) n.
Czech: křest cs(cs) m.
Danish: dåb da(da) c.
Dutch: doop nl(nl) m.
Finnish: kaste fi(fi)
French: baptême fr(fr) m.
German: Taufe de(de) f.
Greek:

Ancient: βαπτισμός (baptismós) m.

Modern βάπτισμα el(el) (váptisma) n.
Hebrew: (הטבלה (טקס נוצרי f.

Hungarian: keresztelő hu(hu)
Italian: battesimo it(it) m.
Japanese: 洗礼 ja(ja) (senrei)(せんれい)
Macedonian: крштевање mk(mk) (krštévanje) n.
Norwegian: dåp no(no) m.
Polish: chrzest pl(pl) m.
Portuguese: batismo (Brazil), baptismo (Portugal)
Romanian: botez ro(ro) n.
Russian: крещение (kr'eš'énije) n.
Scottish Gaelic: baisteadh m.
Slovak: krst sk(sk) m.
Slovene: krst sl(sl) m.
Spanish: bautismo es(es)
Swedish: dop sv(sv) m.
Turkish: vaftiz tr(tr)

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.One of the Seven Sacraments of the Christian Church; frequently called the "first sacrament", the "door of the sacraments", and the "door of the Church". The subject will be treated under the following headings: Church on the subject of baptism.^ Celtic missionaries in baptizing omitted one or more persons of the Trinity, and this was one of the reasons why the church of Rome anathematized 1 Rogers' essay on Baptism and Christian Archaeology in Studia Biblica, vol.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The character imprinted on the soul by baptism marks us forever as Christians, disciples and followers of Christ who have received a call to holiness; it makes us members of the Church, with the right and duty to spread Christ's Kingdom through the Apostolate; and it enables us to receive the other sacraments.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Here is the only explicit reference to baptism being a sacrament of membership in the body of Christ - the church.

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

.They are valuable, also, as containing a summary of the main points to be considered in the treatment of this important matter.^ The theologians of the seventeenth century considered Protestant views a corruption of the truth, which they found in an unconditional realism as to the value of, the baptismal ceremony.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

.Baptism is defined positively in the one and negatively in the other.^ Does that mean baptism is not defined simply by one covenant or the other?

DeYoung, Restless, and Reformed: Why I Baptize Babies 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.revkevindeyoung.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Now before the baptism, let him that is baptizing and him that is being baptized fast, and any others who can; but thou biddest him who is being baptized to fast one or two days before.

Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

^ We must fact one other important subject related especially to the baptism of children.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

(1) The Positive Document: "The Decree for the Armenians"

"The Decree for the Armenians", in the Bull "Exultate Deo" of Pope Eugene IV, is often referred to as a decree of the Council of Florence. .While it is not necessary to hold this decree to be a dogmatic definition of the matter and form and minister of the sacraments, it is undoubtedly a practical instruction, emanating from the Holy See, and as such, has full authenticity in a canonical sense.^ BAPTISM BY LAY PERSONS 75.When the Catholic Church finds it necessary to do so because of a shortage of ministers, it can appoint properly trained lay persons to assist the priests in the ministering of the religious Sacraments of Baptism and the distribution of Holy Communion.

The Sacrament of Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.catholicdoors.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The sacrament is appropriate to great festival occasions such as Easter, Pentecost and Epiphany, as was the practice in the early Church.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Matter and Form, Manner of conferral, Intention and faith of Minister, and Intention and faith of Subject (if adult), there are still present serious reasons for doubting the validity of the previous baptism.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

That is, it is authoritative. .The decree speaks thus of Baptism:

Holy Baptism holds the first place among the sacraments, because it is the door of the spiritual life; for by it we are made members of Christ and incorporated with the Church.^ Holy Spirit, communion with the life of Christ, incorporation into the mystical body of Christ, the Church.
Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Because this refers to baptism, the verse is about the beginning of the life in Christ.
Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ This new spiritual life first received at Baptism is the life of Christ.
Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

.And since through the first man death entered into all, unless we be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, we can not enter into the kingdom of Heaven, as Truth Himself has told us.^ "The Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ "'Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.'
Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]
Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ John 3:3,5 - unless we are "born again" of water and Spirit in baptism, we cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

.The matter of this sacrament is true and natural water; and it is indifferent whether it be cold or hot.^ The "matter" of Baptism is natural water.
Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Natural water is the matter of Baptism by divine institution.
Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

.The form is: I baptize thee in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.^ It is not in opposition to the language of Matthew 28 where baptizing is to be in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The disciples of Jesus Christ gave baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.
Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Matthew 28:19 “baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” .
The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

.We do not, however, deny that the words: Let this servant of Christ be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost; or: This person is baptized by my hands in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, constitute true baptism; because since the principal cause from which baptism has its efficacy is the Holy Trinity, and the instrumental cause is the minister who confers the sacrament exteriorly, then if the act exercised by the minister be expressed, together with the invocation of the Holy Trinity, the sacrament is perfected.^ God the Father was well pleased in the baptism of Jesus Christ, he baptized him with the Holy Ghost, and called him beloved Son.
Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It is not in opposition to the language of Matthew 28 where baptizing is to be in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It was not the Christian sacrament of baptism that we have - in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

.The minister of this sacrament is the priest, to whom it belongs to baptize, by reason of his office, In case of necessity, however, not only a priest or deacon, but even a layman or woman, nay, even a pagan or heretic can baptize, provided he observes the form used by the Church, and intends to perform what the Church performs.^ Deacons, however, were only allowed to baptize by commission of a bishop or priest.
Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Nay, even Servetus, one of their masters, although he pertinaciously insisted on this period, had begun to act the prophet in his twenty-first year; as if any man could be tolerated in arrogating to himself the office of a teacher in the Church before he was a member of the Church.
Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Roman church already foreshadowed the change and gave a peculiar salience to confirmation as early as the 3rd century, when it decreed that persons already baptized by heretics, but reverting to the church should not be baptized over again, but only have hands laid on them.
Baptism - LoveToKnow 1911 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.1911encyclopedia.org [Source type: Original source]

.The effect of this sacrament is the remission of all sin, original and actual; likewise of all punishment which is due for sin.^ The principal effects of baptism are: It takes away original sin and all actual sins, together with all the punishment due to them.
Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ In baptism all sins are forgiven, in the child original sin, in adults actual sins also.
Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Most often than not, infant baptism is rooted in the idea that all infants bear the stain of Original Sin and have to be baptized to free them from this sinful nature.
Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.inplainsite.org [Source type: Original source]

As a consequence, no satisfaction for past sins is enjoined upon those who are baptized; and if they die before they commit any sin, they attain immediately to the kingdom of heaven and the vision of God.

(2) The Negative Document: "De Baptismo"

.The negative document we call the canons on baptism decreed by the Council of Trent (Sess.^ The baptism of infants was expressly commended by the Council of Trent (Session vii, de baptism, canon xiii).

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

VII, De Baptismo), in which the following doctrines are anathematized (declared heretical):

The baptism of John (the Precursor) had the same efficacy as the baptism of Christ,
True and natural water is not necessary for baptism, and therefore the words of Our Lord Jesus Christ "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost" are metaphorical.
The true doctrine of the sacrament of baptism is not taught by the Roman Church,
Baptism given by heretics in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost with the intention of performing what the Church performs, is not true baptism,
Baptism is free, that is, not necessary for salvation.
A baptized person, even if he wishes it, can not lose grace, no matter how much he sins, unless he refuses to believe.
Those who are baptized are obliged only to have faith, but not to observe the whole law of Christ.
Baptized persons are not obliged to observe all the precepts of the Church, written and traditional, unless of their own accord they wish to submit to them.
All vows made after baptism are void by reason of the promises made in baptism itself; because by these vows injury is done to the faith which has been professed in baptism and to the sacrament itself.
All sins committed after baptism are either forgiven or rendered venial by the sole remembrance and faith of the baptism that has been received.
Baptism although truly and properly administered, must be repeated in the case of a person who has denied the faith of Christ before infidels and has been brought again to repentance.
No one is to be baptized except at the age at which Christ was baptized or at the moment of death.
Infants, not being able to make an act of faith, are not to be reckoned among the faithful after their baptism, and therefore when they come to the age of discretion they are to be rebaptized; or it is better to omit their baptism entirely than to baptize them as believing on the sole faith of the Church, when they themselves can not make a proper act of faith.
Those baptized as infants are to be asked when they have grown up, whether they wish to ratify what their sponsors had promised for them at their baptism, and if they reply that they do not wish to do so, they are to be left to their own will in the matter and not to be forced by penalties to lead a Christian life, except to be deprived of the reception of the Eucharist and of the other sacraments, until they reform.

The doctrines here condemned by the Council of Trent, are those of various leaders among the early reformers. .The contradictory of all these statements is to be held as the dogmatic teaching of the Church.^ The discussion of these practical and theological questions within the various churches and Christian traditions should be complemented by joint study and reflection within the ecumenical fellowship of all churches.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The Church teaches that the teaching authority of the priests and bishops who are one in heart and communion with Rome must be heeded and obeyed by all who are baptised.

SHOULD YOU GET YOUR BABY BAPTISED 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.religionislies.com [Source type: Original source]

^ First, it seems to me that the Church is doing all it can within the bounds of individual privacy and the law to urge members to not do these ordinances for Holocaust Survivors at the family request.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

1 II. ETYMOLOGY
2 III. DEFINITION
3 IV. TYPES
4 V. INSTITUTION OF THE SACRAMENT
5 VI. MATTER AND FORM OF THE SACRAMENT
6 VII. CONDITIONAL BAPTISM
7 VIII. REBAPTISM
8 IX. NECESSITY OF BAPTISM
9 X. SUBSTITUTES FOR THE SACRAMENT
10 XI. UNBAPTIZED INFANTS
11 XII. EFFECTS OF BAPTISM
12 XIII. MINISTER OF THE SACRAMENT
13 XIV. RECIPIENT OF BAPTISM
14 XV. ADJUNCTS OF BAPTISM
15 XVI. CEREMONIES OF BAPTISM
16 XVII. METAPHORICAL BAPTISM

II. ETYMOLOGY

.The word Baptism is derived from the Greek word, bapto, or baptizo, to wash or to immerse.^ The meaning of the word baptizo in Greek is essentially "dip" or "immerse," not sprinkle.

His By Grace--"John Piper 4 Part Series on Baptism" 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gracesermons.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Here, the derivative of "baptizo" just means washing up, not immersing.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ And a washing of a baby who can't consent joins the baby to Christ and the Church as long as the right words are used and so the baptism is real.

SHOULD YOU GET YOUR BABY BAPTISED 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.religionislies.com [Source type: Original source]

It signifies, therefore, that washing is of the essential idea of the sacrament. .Scripture uses the term baptize both literally and figuratively.^ The starting point of any conceptual construction using these terms will strongly influence what is taken for granted in both the thought and action which result.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The scriptural translation of the word baptize in a literal sense means to cleanse ceremonially with water.

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ Nor do the Scriptures say that baptism is a term used for Jewish ceremonial washings.

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

.It is employed in a metaphorical sense in Acts 1:5, where the abundance of the grace of the Holy Ghost is signified, and also in Luke 12:50, where the term is referred to the sufferings of Christ in His Passion.^ God the Father was well pleased in the baptism of Jesus Christ, he baptized him with the Holy Ghost, and called him beloved Son.

Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Mark 10:38-39; Luke 12:50 - Jesus also talks about His baptism (from "baptizo") of blood, which was shed and sprinkled in His passion.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ When Christ said, "Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost," He Included children.

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

.Otherwise in the New Testament, the root word from which baptism is derived is used to designate the laving with water, and it is employed, when speaking of Jewish lustrations, and of the baptism of John, as well as of the Christian Sacrament of Baptism (cf.^ Baptism is mentioned in the New Testament also in 1 Pet.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Christian water baptism is not "purely symbolic."

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ John Baptism John baptism was not simply a baptism in water.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

Hebrews 6:2; Mark 7:4). .In ecclesiastical usage, however, when the terms Baptize, Baptism are employed without a qualifying word, they are intended to signify the sacramental washing by which the soul is cleansed from sin at the same time that water is poured upon the body.^ Paul calls this baptism, and David says the water was "poured" upon them.

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ Paul was baptizing Publius, pouring water upon his head.

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ However, nobody can enter into heaven without water baptism.

Jesus Christ commands his disciples to baptize all in water 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.truegospel.com [Source type: Original source]

.Many other terms have been used as descriptive synonyms for baptism both in the Bible and Christian antiquity, as the washing of regeneration, illumination, the seal of God, the water of eternal life, the sacrament of the Trinity, and so on.^ Then water baptism is excluded from what one must do to have eternal life.

BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblestudymanuals.net [Source type: Original source]

^ God commands water baptism.

The Wonderful Ordinance of Water Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC cgg.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Only God has eternal life to give.

The Wonderful Ordinance of Water Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC cgg.org [Source type: Original source]

.In English, the term christen is familiarly used for baptize.^ The English translation for the Greek word for "baptize" which is used to translate the Hebrew word meaning dip in this Old Testament verse.

BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblestudymanuals.net [Source type: Original source]

.As, however, the former word signifies only the effect of baptism, that is, to make one a Christian, but not the manner and the act, moralists hold that "I christen" could probably not be substituted validly for "I baptize" in conferring the sacrament.^ However, if before falling unconscious he had made an intention to be baptized, the Sacrament can be conferred validly.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The council of Carthage in AD253 also takes infant baptism for granted, the only controversy being whether an infant could be baptized before the eighth day.

The Bible and Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC nathan.wilson.home.att.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Robinson, the great philologist and learned Biblical scholar, says: The native Greeks must understand their own language better than foreigners and they have always understood the word baptism to signify dipping, and therefore from their first embracing of Christianity, to this day they have always baptized, and do yet by immersion.''

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mormonbeliefs.com [Source type: Original source]

III. DEFINITION

.The Roman Catechism (Ad parochos, De bapt., 2, 2, 5) defines baptism thus: Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration by water in the word (per aquam in verbo).^ And of course the word "baptisma" is used of the ceremony of water baptism: Compare Mt 3:7; 3:16; Jn 4:1; Acts 16:33; I Cor 1:14.

BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblestudymanuals.net [Source type: Original source]

^ By the fusion of the Ordo ad catechumenum faciendum with the actual baptismal ceremony is formed the present Roman rite, which in its final form dates from Paul V (1614).

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In defining the external rite, the two words, water and immersion, were used.

Baptism by G.D.B. Peppers 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.shilohonline.org [Source type: Original source]

St. Thomas Aquinas (sacrament. .By the former they understand the formula expressing the action of ablution and the utterance of the invocation of the Trinity; by the latter, the definition: "Sacrament of regeneration" or that institution of Christ by which we are reborn to spiritual life.^ Herein is the claim of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to the authority to act in the name of God, as his ministers in the ordinances and sacraments of his house, church, or kingdom.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mormonbeliefs.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Names that express Christian mysteries can be the name of a saint who lived a great spiritual life and who enjoyed a very special relationship with the Lord Jesus.

The Sacrament of Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.catholicdoors.com [Source type: Original source]

^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.The term "regeneration" distinguishes baptism from every other sacrament, for although penance revivifies men spiritually, yet this is rather a resuscitation, a bringing back from the dead, than a rebirth.^ Furthermore, although immersion was described in the Gospels as used in some baptisms (as in the Baptism of the eunuch by Philip), other baptisms mentioned were done by infusion.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ In the orthodox period of Lutheranism baptism was always understood as a kind of representation of the Word ( verbum visibile ), in accordance with the statement of the Apology of the Augsburg Confession (vii) that the sacraments have no other content and therefore no other effect than the Word.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Through baptism, Christians are brought into union with Christ, with each other and with the Church of every time and place.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

.Penance does not make us Christians; on the contrary, it presupposes that we have already been born of water and the Holy Ghost to the life of grace, while baptism on the other hand was instituted to confer upon men the very beginnings of the spiritual life, to transfer them from the state of enemies of God to the state of adoption, as sons of God.^ So baptism makes most of us worse people in the sight of God!

SHOULD YOU GET YOUR BABY BAPTISED 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.religionislies.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism is administered with water in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

^ I believe that water baptism represents the baptism of the Holy Ghost and that this was performed by pouring.

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

.The definition of the Roman Catechism combines the physical and metaphysical definitions of baptism.^ When we read Romans 4:11 more carefully, we should note that it is not teaching that physical circumcision of Abraham was a seal of any kind any more than water baptism is a seal.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

"The sacrament of regeneration" is the metaphysical essence of the sacrament, while the physical essence is expressed by the second part of the definition, i.e. the washing with water (matter), accompanied by the invocation of the Holy Trinity (form). .Baptism is, therefore, the sacrament by which we are born again of water and the Holy Ghost, that is, by which we receive in a new and spiritual life, the dignity of adoption as sons of God and heirs of God's kingdom.^ To be born of God, we must first receive the Holy Spirit from Him.

The Wonderful Ordinance of Water Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC cgg.org [Source type: Original source]

^ "'Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.'

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Holy Spirit and water are required for baptism.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

IV. TYPES

.Having considered the Christian meaning of the term "baptism", we now turn our attention to the various rites which were its forerunners before the New Dispensation.^ This is the New Testament origin of Christian baptism.

His By Grace--"John Piper 4 Part Series on Baptism" 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gracesermons.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Now this is fundamentally important in our understanding of what baptism is in the New Testament.

His By Grace--"John Piper 4 Part Series on Baptism" 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gracesermons.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Infant baptism has no meaning apart from the Christian family and without the guaranty of Christian education.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

Types of this sacrament are to be found among the Jews and Gentiles. .Its place in the sacramental system of the Old Law was taken by circumcision, which is called by some of the Fathers "the washing of blood" to distinguish it from "the washing of water". By the rite of circumcision, the recipient was incorporated into the people of God and made a partaker in the Messianic promises; a name was bestowed upon him and he was reckoned among the children of Abraham, the father of all believers.^ Spiritualism says that God has made all things thus God is the father of all things.

SHOULD YOU GET YOUR BABY BAPTISED 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.religionislies.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The promise was made also to Abraham.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Joshua 5:2-7 - God punished Israel because the people had not circumcised their children.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]
Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

.Other forerunners of baptism were the numerous purifications prescribed in the Mosaic dispensation for legal uncleannesses.^ The other is to correct those who hold baptism as a legal requirement for salvation.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bcbsr.com [Source type: Original source]

.The symbolism of an outward washing to cleanse an invisible blemish was made very familiar to the Jews by their sacred ceremonies.^ (The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders.

BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblestudymanuals.net [Source type: Original source]

^ But the Church Fathers never lost sight of the fact that the fundamental symbolism of the rite was cleansing; to them it was before all else the bath in which sins were washed away.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

.But in addition to these more direct types, both the New Testament writers and the Fathers of the Church find many mysterious foreshadowings of baptism.^ The New Testament Church, then, in its organization, was not a new creation.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The New Testament tells us that this was definitely a type of baptism.

The Wonderful Ordinance of Water Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC cgg.org [Source type: Original source]

^ On the contrary, it stands in direct antagonism to the New Testament idea of the Church.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

Thus St. Paul (I Cor., x) adduces the passage of Israel through the Red Sea, and St. Peter (1 Peter 3) the Deluge, as types of the purification to be found in Christian baptism. Other foreshadowings of the sacrament are found by the Fathers in the bathing of Naaman in the Jordan, in the brooding of the Spirit of God over the waters, in the rivers of Paradise, in the blood of the Paschal Lamb, during Old Testament times, and in the pool of Bethsaida, and in the healing of the dumb and blind in the New Testament,

.How natural and expressive the symbolism of exterior washing to indicate interior purification was recognized to be, is plain from the practice also of the heathen systems of religion.^ We are left, therefore, to the essential symbolism of the rite to indicate how it must needs be administered, and how, therefore, the apostles must have administered it.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ God commanded Moses to sprinkle water as symbolic of purification and on through the prophetic age the prophets taught and practiced sprinkling and pouring as religious rites.

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

.The use of lustral water is found among the Babylonians, Assyrians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Hindus, and others.^ The burial in water has always been the practise of the Greek Church, its older patriarchates holding that there is no other baptism (Stanley, Eastern Church, Lecture i).

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Matthew uses the Greek preposition apo , which is nearly always translated from. Matthew 3:16 is almost surely correctly translated from the water (as in the American Standard Version).

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

^ "BAPTIZO to baptize, primarily a frequentative form of baptw , to dip, was used among the Greeks to signify the dyeing of a garment, or the drawing of water by dipping a vessel into another, etc.

BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblestudymanuals.net [Source type: Original source]

.A closer resemblance to Christian baptism is found in a form of Jewish baptism, to be bestowed on proselytes, given in the Babylonian Talmud (Dollinger, First Age of the Church).^ This was the real cause why the extraordinary gifts of the Holy Ghost were no longer to be found in the Christian church; because the Christians had turned heathens again, and had only a dead form left."

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mormonbeliefs.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For example, suppose during the church age parents belong to a church that does not understand infant baptism and consequently will not perform it.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Through baptism, Christians are brought into union with Christ, with each other and with the Church of every time and place.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

But above all must be considered the baptism of St. John the Precursor. .John baptized with water (Mark, i) and it was a baptism of penance for the remission of sins (Luke, iii).^ "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism for the remission of sins.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

^ "John did baptize in the wilderness and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mormonbeliefs.com [Source type: Original source]

^ "John did baptize in the wilderness and preach the baptism of repen tance for the remission of sins" (Mark 1:4) .

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mormonbeliefs.com [Source type: Original source]

.While, then, the symbolism of the sacrament instituted by Christ was not new, the efficacy which He joined to the rite is that which differentiates it from all its types.^ Christ's institution of the sacrament according to the New Testament tradition; .

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

^ May all who are buried with Christ in the death of Baptism rise also with him to newness of life.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Through Christ their hearts and minds are directed to the consummation of the Kingdom where Christ's victory will become manifest and all things made new.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

.John's baptism did not produce grace, as he himself testifies (Matt., iii) when he declares that he is not the Messias whose baptism is to confer the Holy Ghost.^ It did not confer grace or the Holy Spirit.

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The efficacy of Baptism is not tied to that moment of time wherein it is administered; yet, notwithstanding, by the right use of this ordinance the grace promised is not only offered, but really exhibited and conferred by the Holy Ghost, to such ( whether of age or infants ) as that grace belongeth unto, according to the counsel of God's own will, in his appointed time .

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.bcbsr.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Isreal's symbolic ways of worship, including John's baptism, were needful, holy instruments of God in their time.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

Moreover, it was not John's baptism that remitted sin, but the penance that accompanied it; and hence St. Augustine calls it (De Bapt. contra Donat., V) "a remission of sins in hope". As to the nature of the Precursor's baptism, St. Thomas sacrament of itself, but a certain sacramental as it were, preparing the way (disponens) for the baptism of Christ." Durandus calls it a sacrament, indeed, but of the Old Law, and St. Bonaventure places it as a medium between the Old and New Dispensations. .It is of Catholic faith that the Precursor's baptism was essentially different in its effects from the baptism of Christ, It is also to be noted that those who had previously received John's baptism had to receive later the Christian baptism (Acts, xix).^ Also, Jesus baptism was not the Christian baptism He later instituted.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Converts who have to receive Conditional Baptism: .

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Water baptism is for those who believe.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

V. INSTITUTION OF THE SACRAMENT

.That Christ instituted the Sacrament of Baptism is unquestionable.^ Jesus Christ, our Lord, instituted the Sacrament of Baptism.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ We must say that baptism is a sacrament that was instituted by Christ to forgive people their sins and incorporate them into His body in His New Covenant.

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They err more than childishly in this, that they derive the first institution of baptism from this passage, whereas Christ had from the commencement of his ministry, ordered it to be administered by the apostles.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

.Rationalists, like Harnack (Dogmengeschichte, I, 68), dispute it, only by arbitrarily ruling out the texts which prove it.^ These texts are offered here to prove, as before said, that the lesser officers in the church of God were called according to a fixed law pointing out their qualifications.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mormonbeliefs.com [Source type: Original source]

Christ not only commands His Disciples (Matthew 28:19) to baptize and gives them the form to be used, but He also declares explicitly the absolute necessity of baptism (John 3): "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he can not enter into the Kingdom of God." Moreover, from the general doctrine of the Church on the sacraments, we know that the efficacy attached to them is derivable only from the institution of the Redeemer. .When, however, we come to the question as to when precisely Christ instituted baptism, we find that ecclesiastical writers are not agreed.^ However when Jesus Christ arrived at the Jordan for His own baptism, John the Baptist recognized the difference between his own largely symbolic ritual and the future baptism of all Christians.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.inplainsite.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In addition to coming to repentance, the person seeking baptism should ask himself some important questions.

What Do You Mean Water Baptism? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.thercg.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism is for those who have now come to a place where they have repented of their sin and believe with all their heart in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

The Scriptures themselves are silent upon the subject. .Various occasions have been pointed out as the probable time of institution, as when Christ was Himself baptized in the Jordan, when He declared the necessity of the rebirth to Nicodemus, when He sent His Apostles and Disciples to preach and baptize.^ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel.” .

What Do You Mean Water Baptism? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.thercg.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Matthew 28:1&20 The Apostles are sent to preach the gospel and to baptize.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Christ had sent him not to baptize, but to preach the gospel.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

.The first opinion was quite a favorite with many of the Fathers and Schoolmen, and they are fond of referring to the sanctification of the baptismal water by contact with the flesh of the God-man.^ The washing away refers to water baptism.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ God commands water baptism.

The Wonderful Ordinance of Water Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC cgg.org [Source type: Original source]

^ God commands the act of water baptism.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

Others, as St. Jerome and St. Maximus, appear to assume that Christ baptized John on this occasion and thus instituted the sacrament. .There is nothing, however, in the Gospels to indicate that Christ baptized the Precursor at the time of His own baptism.^ "For Christ sent me not to baptize but to preach the gospel."

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel.” .

What Do You Mean Water Baptism? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.thercg.org [Source type: Original source]

^ We see then that there is absolutely no substitute for the gospel of Jesus Christ.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mormonbeliefs.com [Source type: Original source]

As to the opinion that it was in the colloquy with Nicodemus that the sacrament was instituted, it is not surprising that it has found few adherents. .Christ's words indeed declare the necessity of such an institution, but no more.^ Christ declared that "of such is the kingdom of heaven."

Baptism: What Saith the Scripture?, by Dr. H.A. Ironside 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gotothebible.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Justin's testimony has been already referred to; but there is no doubt that a more formal ritual existed than his words directly cover.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The presence of Christ is clearly the centre of the eucharist, and the promise contained in the words of institution is therefore fundamental to the celebration.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

.It seems also very unlikely that Christ would have instituted the sacrament in a secret conference with one who was not to be a herald of its institution.^ So verses 4-6 set forth results in the life of one who has been baptized into the death of Jesus Christ.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Did the Lord Jesus institute a sacrament that would ever be physically impossible to administer?

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^ So then, isn't baptism, like the law, something that was fulfilled by Christ - the only one who was and is worthy - and not tied to nor required for either salvation or righteousness or obedience?

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

.The more probable opinion seems to be that baptism, as a sacrament, had its origin when Christ commissioned His Apostles to baptize, as narrated in John, iii and iv.^ The Minister of Baptism: It would seem that the original system allowed any baptized person to baptize others; at least it is impossible to assert that only the apostles or those commissioned by them could administer the sacrament (cf.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The reason this may not seem specific to some is because this was a familiar custom among the Jews and why should Christ say any more about it?

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ John the apostle three times definitely says John the Baptist baptized beyond the Jordan: John 1:28, 3:26, 10:40.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

.There is nothing directly in the text as to the institution, but as the Disciples acted evidently under the instruction of Christ, He must have taught them at the very outset the matter and form of the sacrament which they were to dispense.^ The name of disciples is given to men of full age, who had already been taught, and had assumed the name of Christ, just as the Jews behaved to be disciples under the law of Moses.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Church says it reads in the Bible that Christ taught that baptism must be done by washing the candidate in water and saying, "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".

SHOULD YOU GET YOUR BABY BAPTISED 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.religionislies.com [Source type: Original source]

^ How then can any of these man-made institutions authorize men to act in the name of God, and the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit of God, when it is as clear as any one fact can be that they are all acting under a.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.mormonbeliefs.com [Source type: Original source]

It is true that St. John Chrysostom (Hom., xxviii in Joan.), Theophylactus (in cap. iii, Joan.), and Tertullian (De Bapt., c. ii) declare that the baptism given by the Disciples of Christ as narrated in these chapters of St. John was a baptism of water only and not of the Holy Ghost; but their reason is that the Holy Ghost was not given until after the Resurrection. .As theologians have pointed out, this is a confusion between the visible and the invisible manifestation of the Holy Spirit.^ Acts 2:17,18,33 - the pouring of water is like the "pouring" out of the Holy Spirit.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ He becomes that automatically at the point of salvation when he is placed into Christ by the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblestudymanuals.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptizing in Jesus’ name and being baptized into the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are two entirely different points.

What Do You Mean Water Baptism? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.thercg.org [Source type: Original source]

The authority of St. Leo (Ep. xvi ad Episc. Sicil.) is also invoked for the same opinion, inasmuch as he seems to hold that .Christ instituted the sacrament when, after His rising from the dead, He gave the command (Matthew 28): "Go and teach .^ Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.inplainsite.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Jesus commanded it (Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16).

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Matthew 28:19-20 also records Christ’s same instruction, but adds some points and excludes others that Mark does not.

What Do You Mean Water Baptism? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.thercg.org [Source type: Original source]

. . baptizing"; but St. Leo's words can easily be explained otherwise, and in another part of the same epistle he refers to the sanction of regeneration given by Christ when the water of baptism flowed from His side on the Cross; consequently, before the Resurrection. All authorities agree that Matt., xxviii, contains the solemn promulgation of this sacrament, and St. Leo does not seem to intend more than this. .We need not delay on the arguments of those who declare baptism to have been necessarily established after Christ's death, because the efficacy of the sacraments is derived from His Passion.^ Baptism portrays our death in the death of Christ.

His By Grace--"John Piper 4 Part Series on Baptism" 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gracesermons.com [Source type: Original source]

^ All baptism is rooted in and declares Christ's faithfulness unto death.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Water baptism is for those who believe.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

.This would prove also that the Holy Eucharist was not instituted before His death, which is untenable.^ Holy Spirit ( epiklesis ) on the community, and the elements of bread and wine (either before the words of institution or after the memorial, or both; or some other reference to the Holy Spirit which adequately expresses the "epikletic" character of the eucharist); .

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

.As to the frequent statement of the Fathers that the sacraments flowed from the side of Christ upon the Cross, it is enough to say that beyond the symbolism found therein, their words can be explained as referring to the death of Christ, as the meritorious cause or perfection of the sacraments, but not necessarily as their time of institution.^ The argument by which paedobaptism is assailed is, no doubt, specious, viz., that it is not founded on the institution of God, but was introduced merely by human presumption and depraved curiosity, and afterwards, by a foolish facility, rashly received in practice; whereas a sacrament has not a thread to hang upon, if it rest not on the sure foundation of the word of God.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Your Son willed that water and blood should flow from his side as he hung upon the cross.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Verse 14 says that Christ canceled that whole debt by paying it all on the cross.

His By Grace--"John Piper 4 Part Series on Baptism" 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gracesermons.com [Source type: Original source]

.All things considered, we can safely state, therefore, that Christ most probably instituted baptism before His Passion.^ There is no ground, therefore, for contending that the law and rule of baptism is to be sought from these two passages, as containing the first institution.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Through Christ their hearts and minds are directed to the consummation of the Kingdom where Christ's victory will become manifest and all things made new.

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^ The presence of Christ is clearly the centre of the eucharist, and the promise contained in the words of institution is therefore fundamental to the celebration.

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.For in the first place, as is evident from John 3 and 4, Christ certainly conferred baptism, at least by the hands of His Disciples, before His passion.^ Through baptism, Christians are brought into union with Christ, with each other and with the Church of every time and place.

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^ In like manner, from his expression in another place, that by baptism we are ingrafted into the body of Christ, (1 Cor.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Baptism is for those who have now come to a place where they have repented of their sin and believe with all their heart in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

.That this was an essentially different rite from John the Precursor's baptism seems plain, because the baptism of Christ is always preferred to that of John, and the latter himself states the reason: "I baptize with water .^ Jesus Christ, as in water baptism.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The Bible always links water and baptism.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They were baptized with John's baptism.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

. . [[[Jesus .Christ (Catholic Encyclopedia)|Christ]]] baptizeth with the Holy Ghost" (John, i).^ John's message about the holy Ghost was as much a part of his baptism as was the water.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Twelve men in Ephesus thought they had received John's baptism, but because they had not heard about the holy Ghost, the aposlte Paul disagreed.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Jesus said, "For John truly baptized with water but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost."

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

In the baptism given by the Disciples as narrated in these chapters we seem to have all the requisites of a sacrament of the New Law:

the external rite,
the institution of Christ, for they baptized by His command and mission, and
the conferring of grace, for they bestowed the Holy Ghost (John 1).
^ Here is command and by the Holy Ghost.
Baptism: What Saith the Scripture?, by Dr. H.A. Ironside 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.gotothebible.com [Source type: Original source]
^ "He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost."
Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]
^ It did not confer grace or the Holy Spirit.
Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]
.In the second place, the Apostles received other sacraments from Christ, before His Passion, as the Holy Eucharist at the Last Supper, and Holy orders (Conc.
^ That the Holy Spirit was upon Jesus is evidenced in his baptism, and after the resurrection that same Spirit was given to those who believed in the Risen Lord in order to recreate them as the body of Christ.
Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]
^ Through baptism, Christians are brought into union with Christ, with each other and with the Church of every time and place.
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^ As much as possible, only Catholics who have received the Sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation, Penance and Holy Eucharist, and who are mature enough to undertake this responsibility should be chosen as godparents for Baptism.
Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]
Trid., Sess. XXVI, c. i). .Now as baptism has always been held as the door of the Church and the necessary condition for the reception of any other sacrament, it follows that the Apostles must have received Christian baptism before the Last Supper.
^ "The Church received from the Apostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants.
Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]
^ The Apostles personally administered the Sacrament of Baptism in the early Church.
Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]
^ The character imprinted on the soul by baptism marks us forever as Christians, disciples and followers of Christ who have received a call to holiness; it makes us members of the Church, with the right and duty to spread Christ's Kingdom through the Apostolate; and it enables us to receive the other sacraments.
Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]
This argument is used by St. Augustine (Ep. clxiii, al. xliv) and certainly seems valid. .To suppose that the first pastors of the Church received the other sacraments by dispensation, before they had received baptism, is an opinion with no foundation in Scripture or Tradition and devoid of verisimilitude.
^ "The Church received from the Apostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants.
Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]
^ No baptism into your church.
Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]
^ Churches which have insisted on a particular form of baptism or which have had serious questions about the authenticity of other churches' sacraments and ministries have at times required persons coming from other church traditions to be baptized before being received into full communicant membership.
Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]
.The Scriptures nowhere state that Christ Himself conferred baptism, but an ancient tradition (Niceph., Hist.
^ This is clearly stated in the new Code: "Baptism is to be conferred either by immersion or by pouring, the prescriptions of the conference of bishops being observed."
Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]
^ The verse continues, “ baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.” In His Great Commission to His disciples, the scripture states plainly that Christ commanded baptism!
What Do You Mean Water Baptism? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.thercg.org [Source type: Original source]
^ Code states that, outside of a case of necessity, the water used in conferring Baptism should be blessed according to the prescriptions of the liturgical books.
Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]
eccl, II, iii; Clem. Alex. Strom., III) declares that He baptized the Apostle Peter only, and that the latter baptized Andrew, James, and John, and they the other Apostles.

VI. MATTER AND FORM OF THE SACRAMENT

(1) Matter

.In all sacraments we treat of the matter and the form.^ The Church can not abolish a sacrament, and is bound to observe its matter and form, but may be assured of possessing and transmitting everything that the sacrament ought to contain and offer according to the divine will.

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^ This character is indelible, and depends only upon the due administration of the sacrament as to matter and form.

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^ If matter and form axe properly connected, the sacrament produces its effects ex opere operato.

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It is also usual to distinguish the remote matter and the proximate matter. .In the case of baptism, the remote matter is natural and true water.^ I'm sorry, but I'm still having trouble in agreeing with this statement "In the baby's case, the child is brought to the water's of baptism based on the parent's faith and desire for baptism."

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It seems clear enough that baptism, the matter of which is nature's great detergent, has as its essential symbolism just cleansing.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In the case of water baptism the identification or immersion is water and water alone.

BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblestudymanuals.net [Source type: Original source]

We shall consider this aspect of the question first.

(a) Remote matter

.It is of faith (de fide) that true and natural water is the remote matter of baptism.^ Natural water is the matter of Baptism by divine institution.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The "matter" of Baptism is natural water.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I'm sorry, but I'm still having trouble in agreeing with this statement "In the baby's case, the child is brought to the water's of baptism based on the parent's faith and desire for baptism."

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

In addition to the authorities already cited, we may also mention the Fourth Council of the Lateran (c. i). Some of the early Fathers, as Tertullian (De Bapt., i) and St. Augustine (Adv. .Hær., xlvi and lix) enumerate heretics who rejected water entirely as a constituent of baptism.^ Water baptism is for those who believe.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

^ And so should those who believe that water baptism is a condition that had to be met to become saved, and those who believe that they had to become worthy or good enough to become saved.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

^ But it is equally true that throughout the whole patristic period no one ever doubted the entire validity of baptism administered in other modes of applying the water.

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Such were the Gaians, Manichians, Seleucians, and Hermians. In the Middle Ages, the Waldensians are said to have held the same tenet (Ewald, Contra Walden., vi). .Some of the sixteenth century reformers, while accepting water as the ordinary matter of this sacrament, declared that when water could not be had, any liquid could be used in its place.^ The sixth century liturgy known under Baumatark's name places the blessing of the water (as well as of oil and chrism) within the main action instead of before it.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ A religion that declares people who have undergone some ritual are members even if they don't believe and no matter what they do is not even loyal to itself.

SHOULD YOU GET YOUR BABY BAPTISED 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.religionislies.com [Source type: Original source]

^ He could make a mistake in the Form (reciting the formula incorrectly or omitting essential words) or in the Matter he uses (for example, using alcohol or medicine).

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

So Luther (Tischr., xvii) and Beza (Ep., ii, ad Till.). It was in consequence of this teaching that certain of the Tridentine canons were framed. .Calvin held that the water used in baptism was simply symbolic of the Blood of Christ (Instit., IV, xv).^ Water is the symbol and spirit and blood, the reality.

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ Christian water baptism is not "purely symbolic."

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ John Baptism John baptism was not simply a baptism in water.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

.As a rule, however, those sects which believe in baptism at the present time, recognize water as the necessary matter of the sacrament.^ This rules out believer's water baptism which is an active voice action.

BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.biblestudymanuals.net [Source type: Original source]

^ The "matter" of Baptism is natural water.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Natural water is the matter of Baptism by divine institution.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

.Scripture is so positive in its statements as to the use of true and natural water for baptism that it is difficult to see why it should ever be called in question.^ The "matter" of Baptism is natural water.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ That is why, the following cannot be used and are not valid matter for Baptism: milk, blood, tears, wine, fruit juice, saliva, perspiration, soup, ink, etc.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I'm sorry, but I'm still having trouble in agreeing with this statement "In the baby's case, the child is brought to the water's of baptism based on the parent's faith and desire for baptism."

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

Not only have we the explicit words of Christ (John 3:5) "Unless a man be born again of water", etc., but also in the Acts of the Apostles and the Epistles of St. Paul there are passages that preclude any metaphorical interpretation. Thus (Acts, x, 47) St. Peter says "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized?" .In the eighth chapter of the Acts is narrated the episode of Philip and the eunuch of Ethiopia, and in verse 36 we read: "They came to a certain water; and the eunuch said: See, here is water: what doth hinder me from being baptized?"^ Not much water in a desert and the Eunuch was surprised to see water (see Acts 8:36).

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ In verse 38 , Philip baptized the eunuch.

What Do You Mean Water Baptism? 11 September 2009 6:06 UTC www.thercg.org [Source type: Original source]

^ And the eunuch said, "See, here is water.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

Equally positive is the testimony of Christian tradition. Tertullian (op. cit.) begins his treatise: ."The happy sacrament of our water". Justin Martyr (Apol., I) describes the ceremony of baptism and declares: Then they are led by us to where there is water .^ Here again, as in the Apostolic Constitutions and Cyril, the first act of the real baptismal ceremony is the blessing of the water.

Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.ccel.org [Source type: Original source]

^ They believe what prevents us from entering Heaven is our own personally sins.

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Is it just me, or does the Bible tell us that John's baptism of water was a preparing designed to fulfill the law, and that it was completed and fulfilled as well as the law - by Jesus?

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

. . and then they are laved in the water". St. Augustine positively declares that there is no baptism without water (Tr. xv in Joan.).

.The remote matter of baptism, then, is water, and this taken in its usual meaning.^ The "matter" of Baptism is natural water.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Natural water is the matter of Baptism by divine institution.

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^ As illustrations, let us look first at some synonyms of baptism and then at some examples of water baptism, all, of course, taken from the Bible.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

.Theologians tell us consequently that what men would ordinarily declare water is valid baptismal material, whether it be water of the sea, or fountain, or well, or marsh; whether it be clear or turbid; fresh or salty; hot or cold; colored or uncolored.^ But their water baptism was not valid.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

^ "Baptism, then, is a purification from sins, a remission of trespasses, a cause of renovation and regeneration...Let us however, if it seems well, persevere in enquiring more fully and more minutely concerning Baptism, starting, as from the fountain-head, from the Scriptural declaration, 'Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.'

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If He wanted water baptism performed by a mode different from all His types, illustrations and explicit commands, would He not have said so?

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

.Water derived from melted ice, snow, or hail is also valid.^ In cases of necessity , any natural water may be used, such as: water from the sea, river, fountain, faucet, rain, mineral water, or water melted from snow or ice.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

.If, however, ice, snow, or hail be not melted, they do not come under the designation water.^ However, the Greek word for "coming up out of the water" is "anebesan" which is plural.

Scripture Catholic - SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.scripturecatholic.com [Source type: Original source]

^ In cases of necessity , any natural water may be used, such as: water from the sea, river, fountain, faucet, rain, mineral water, or water melted from snow or ice.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ When they come to the font, the celebrant briefly reminds the congregation of the wonderful work of God whose plan it is to sanctify man, body and soul, through water.

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.Dew, sulfur or mineral water, and that which is derived from steam are also valid matter for this sacrament.^ As long as the matter can be regarded as water in the common estimate of men , it is valid for Baptism.

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^ If this is impossible to obtain, even muddy water is valid matter .

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.As to a mixture of water and some other material, it is held as proper matter, provided the water certainly predominates and the mixture would still be called water.^ Some among those who recognize that it is practically an empty form are in favor of abolishing it altogether, while others would have it reformed and made once more a living reality.

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^ At some points of crisis in the history of the Church, the continuing functions of ministry were in some places and communities distributed according to structures other than the predominant threefold pattern.

Baptism, Eucharist and Ministry 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.oikoumene.org [Source type: Original source]

^ Some would agree that water baptism cannot be any kind of seal or guarantee of the salvation of the person baptized.

Baptism: The Washing Away of Our Sins 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.familyradio.com [Source type: Original source]

Invalid matter is every liquid that is not usually designated true water. .Such are oil, saliva, wine, tears, milk, sweat, beer, soup, the juice of fruits, and any mixture containing water which men would no longer call water.^ That is why, the following cannot be used and are not valid matter for Baptism: milk, blood, tears, wine, fruit juice, saliva, perspiration, soup, ink, etc.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Buried in Water Baptism Not in the Bible There is no preparation in the Old Testament or in the New for such a theory of the significance of water baptism.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

^ If water baptism were by immersion (which has no relation to the Old Testament type nor to the real, the true baptism: that with the Holy Spirit), the picture would be incomplete.

BAPTISM 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.all-of-grace.org [Source type: Original source]

.When it is doubtful whether a liquid could really be called water, it is not permissible to use it for baptism except in case of absolute necessity when no certainly valid matter can be obtained.^ No real baptism takes place if such a formula is used.

SHOULD YOU GET YOUR BABY BAPTISED 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.religionislies.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Lay Baptism is forbidden except in cases of necessity.

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Lutheran Church recognizes lay baptism as permissible in case of necessity.

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.On the other hand, it is never allowable to baptize with an invalid liquid.^ In the New Testament, the term is re-served, on the one hand, for the unique priesthood of Jesus Christ and, on the other hand, for the royal and prophetic priesthood of all baptized.

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.There is a response of Pope Gregory IX to the Archbishop of Trondhjem in Norway where beer (or mead) had been employed for baptism.^ Gregory Nazianzen recommended that the baptism of children be put off till they were three years old, unless there was danger of death.

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.The pontiff says: "Since according to the Gospel teaching, a man must be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, those are not to be considered validly baptized who have been baptized with beer" (cervisia).^ Christ teaches that we are to be born again, not of the Spirit and of water, but of water and of the Spirit.

Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4:16 on Infant baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.apuritansmind.com [Source type: Original source]

^ "He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost."

Why Baptize by Pouring by W. A. Swift 11 September 2009 22:36 UTC www.imarc.cc [Source type: Original source]

^ Water baptism is for those who believe.

Baptism in Water | Christian Faith Site 20 September 2009 3:59 UTC www.christian-faith.com [Source type: Original source]

.It is true that a statement declaring wine to be valid matter of baptism is attributed to Pope Stephen II, but the document is void of all authority (Labbe, Conc., VI).^ That is why, the following cannot be used and are not valid matter for Baptism: milk, blood, tears, wine, fruit juice, saliva, perspiration, soup, ink, etc.

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^ As long as the matter can be regarded as water in the common estimate of men , it is valid for Baptism.

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^ This matter was considered in Section II, The Holy Spirit and Water. In type, the water is sprinkled (one of the divers baptisms of Heb.

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.Those who have held that "water" in the Gospel text is to be taken metaphorically, appeal to the words of the Precursor (Matt., iii), "He shall baptize you in the Holy Ghost and fire". As "fire" must certainly be only a figure of speech here, so must "water" in the other texts.^ Jesus said, "For John truly baptized with water but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost."

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^ "He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost."

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^ Water baptism is for those who believe.

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.To this objection, it may be replied that the Christian Church, or at least the Apostles themselves, must have understood what was prescribed to be taken literally and what figuratively.^ Certainly, if circumcision was a literal sign, the same view must be taken of baptism, since, in the second chapter to the Colossians, the apostle makes the one to be not a whit more spiritual than the other.

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^ It is true that every serious Christian must belong to a local church if one exists where he lives.

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^ Because of this fact, because it is a departure from the simplicity (andin the case of the post-apostolic church, since the candidate was nudethe respectability) of the practice of the apostles, it must be rejected.

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.The New Testament and church history prove that they never looked on fire as a material for baptism, while they certainly did require water.^ The New Testament Church, then, in its organization, was not a new creation.

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^ The Holy Spirit and water are required for baptism.

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^ Baptism is mentioned in the New Testament also in 1 Pet.

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.Outside of the insignificant sects of Seleucians and Hermians, not even heretics took the word "fire" in this text in its literal meaning.^ The scriptural translation of the word baptize in a literal sense means to cleanse ceremonially with water.

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^ The Greek word for the phrase "born again" is "anothen" which literally means begotten from above.

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We may remark, however, that some of the Fathers, as St. John Damascene (Orth. Fid., IV, ix), concede this statement of the Baptist to have a literal fulfillment in the Pentecostal fiery tongues. .They do not refer it, however, literally to baptism.^ Paul says they were washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, in reference to baptism.

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^ Significantly, however, when they did become saved, they did not again receive water baptism.

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.That water alone is the necessary matter of this sacrament depends of course on the will of Him Who instituted it, although theologians discover many reasons why it should have been chosen in preference to other liquids.^ If there is holy water, this should be preferred.

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^ Before we leave the subject of circumcision and water baptism, one other question should be addressed.

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^ The reason this may not seem specific to some is because this was a familiar custom among the Jews and why should Christ say any more about it?

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.The most obvious of these is that water cleanses and purifies more perfectly than the others, and hence the symbolism is more natural.^ Accordingly it is rarely used more literally than of the sinking of ships by storm or by war, with the implication, of course, of their destruction; or of the bathing of persons (Eubulus, Nausicaa, 1), with the implication, of course, of their cleansing.

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^ Old Testament that apply water and/or blood do it by sprinkling, the only conclusion possible as to the mode of application of the element (water) that symbolizes the cleansing blood is that it is by sprinkling.

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^ It seems clear enough that baptism, the matter of which is nature's great detergent, has as its essential symbolism just cleansing.

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(b) Proximate matter

.The proximate matter of baptism is the ablution performed with water.^ The "matter" of Baptism is natural water.

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^ If He wanted water baptism performed by a mode different from all His types, illustrations and explicit commands, would He not have said so?

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^ Natural water is the matter of Baptism by divine institution.

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.The very word "baptize", as we have seen, means a washing.^ To answer this objection, we can say that although the word "baptize" in Greek originally meant "to immerse," during the time of Christ, it had acquired a broader meaning: "to wash" or "to cleanse."

Domestic-Church.Com: Sacramental: Guidebook for Baptism 19 January 2010 8:48 UTC www.domestic-church.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The words purge, cleanse, wash and sanctify are used interchangeably in the Bible meaning baptism.

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^ The verb form of "baptisma" which is "baptizo" = to baptize is a more frequently used verb form of the very closely related Greek verb "bapto" which means to dip.

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.Three forms of ablution have prevailed among Christians, and the Church holds them all to be valid because they fulfill the requisite signification of the baptismal laving.^ In order to fulfil this mission faithfully, they will seek relevant forms of witness and service in each situation.

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^ They don't require baptism because they are pure at soul.

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^ Within a fellowship of witness and service, Christians discover the full significance of the one baptism as the gift of God to all God's people.

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.These forms are immersion, infusion, and aspersion.^ The Catholic Church teaches that Baptism is valid whether it is administered by immersion , by infusion , or by aspersion .

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^ All these three methods are valid, but our present practice is by infusion or immersion.

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.The most ancient form usually employed was unquestionably immersion.^ Few will maintain even that the baptism of John the Baptist, which most advocates of immersion as the only valid form of baptism will suppose to have been by immersion, was charged with this symbolism.

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This is not only evident from the writings of the Fathers and the early rituals of both the Latin and Oriental Churches, but it can also be gathered from the Epistles of St. Paul, who speaks of baptism as a bath (Ephes., v, 26; Rom., vi, 4; Tit., iii, 5). .In the Latin Church, immersion seems to have prevailed until the twelfth century.^ Thus by the middle of the second century the administration of baptism would seem to have been alike in essentials throughout the whole Church.

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^ This epistle makes it clear beyond all controversy that in the third century the ordinary baptism was immersion, and that even in the Latin Church there were those who declared it the only baptism.

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^ It must be admitted that adult baptism was the rule and infant baptism the exception in the apostolic age, and not until the fifth century, when the Church was widely established in the Roman Empire, was infant baptism general.

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.After that time it is found in some places even as late as the sixteenth century.^ The exorcism, deliberately retained by Luther, aroused opposition and controversy even in the sixteenth century.

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.Infusion and aspersion, however, were growing common in the thirteenth century and gradually prevailed in the Western Church.^ The Catholic Church teaches that Baptism is valid whether it is administered by immersion , by infusion , or by aspersion .

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.The Oriental Churches have retained immersion, though not always in the sense of plunging the candidate's entire body below the water.^ Immersion means plunging the candidate into water.

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^ On the contrary, they enable churches which have not retained the episcopate to appreciate the episcopal succession as a sign, though not a guarantee, of the continuity and unity of the Church.

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^ Jeremy Taylor, the learned bishop, writes: ''The custom of the ancient churches was not sprinkling, but immersion, in pursuance of the sense of the word in the commandment, and in the example of our blessed Saviour."

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.Billuart (De Bapt., I, iii) says that commonly the catechumen is placed in the font, and then water is poured upon the head.^ Paul calls this baptism, and David says the water was "poured" upon them.

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^ Paul was baptizing Publius, pouring water upon his head.

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^ He immerses the child or pours water upon it.

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He cites the authority of Goar for this statement. .Although, as we have said, immersion was the form of baptism that generally prevailed in the early ages, it must not thereby be inferred that the other forms of infusion and aspersion were not also employed and held to be valid.^ This sprinkling of baptism refers to aspersion, not immersion.

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^ The Catholic Church teaches that Baptism is valid whether it is administered by immersion , by infusion , or by aspersion .

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^ Furthermore, although immersion was described in the Gospels as used in some baptisms (as in the Baptism of the eunuch by Philip), other baptisms mentioned were done by infusion.

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.In the case of the sick or dying, immersion was impossible and the sacrament was then conferred by one of the other forms.^ It is one of the clearest cases of no immersion.

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^ No one liturgical form would be absolutely required, but in any case it would be necessary to proclaim the accomplishment of mutual recognition publicly.

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^ Canon 862 further stipulates that outside of a case of necessity, no one is allowed to confer Baptism without due permission.

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.This was so well recognized that infusion or aspersion received the name of the baptism of the sick (baptismus clinicorum).^ "The Word recognizes three Births for us; namely, the natural birth, that of Baptism, and that of the Resurrection...

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^ The Catholic Church teaches that Baptism is valid whether it is administered by immersion , by infusion , or by aspersion .

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^ He disclaims any intention of saying that other officials should recognize effusion as baptism and even goes so far as to suggest that those who have thus received affusion may on their recovery from sickness be immersed.

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St. Cyprian (Ep. lxxvi) declares this form to be valid. .From the canons of various early councils we know that candidates for Holy orders who had been baptized by this method seem to have been regarded as irregular, but this was on account of the culpable negligence supposed to be manifested in delaying baptism until sick or dying.^ That the Holy Spirit was upon Jesus is evidenced in his baptism, and after the resurrection that same Spirit was given to those who believed in the Risen Lord in order to recreate them as the body of Christ.

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^ Baptism is supposed to change you and make you holy when validly administered.

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^ A baptized person who is a member of a non-Catholic community, is not to be admitted except with a Catholic godparent, and then only as a witness of the Baptism.

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.That such persons, however, were not to be rebaptized is an evidence that the Church held their baptism to be valid.^ No evidence is clearer than that of the early church confirming the baptism of children.

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^ Because the validation of ordinance comes directly from the person – not the LDS Church.

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^ The following churches are usually considered to administer a valid Baptism in the Philippines: .

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It is also pointed out that the circumstances under which St. Paul (Acts, xvi) baptized his jailer and all his household seem to preclude the use of immersion. .Moreover, the acts of the early martyrs frequently refer to baptizing in prisons where infusion or aspersion was certainly employed.^ From the very beginning of Christianity the practice of baptizing by infusion became the more frequent method.

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.By the present authorized ritual of the Latin Church, baptism must be performed by a laving of the head of the candidate.^ When non-Catholics are converted into the Catholic Church and their sect has no baptism or uses an invalid form, the converts must be given Baptism absolutely.

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^ For example, suppose during the church age parents belong to a church that does not understand infant baptism and consequently will not perform it.

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.Moralists, however, state that in case of necessity, the baptism would probably be valid if the water were applied to any other principal part of the body, as the breast or shoulder.^ But their water baptism was not valid.

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^ But Jesus is very emphatic on the necessity of baptism on the part of all men: for said he:-- Verily, verily I say unto you, or, in other words, I swear, I swear unto you that except a man be born of the water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

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^ Before we leave the subject of circumcision and water baptism, one other question should be addressed.

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In this case, however, conditional baptism would have to be administered if the person survived (St. Alph., no. 107). .In like manner they consider as probably valid the baptism of an infant in its mother's womb, provided the water, by means of an instrument, would actually flow upon the child.^ But he would not like to insist that no mode of administering baptism but this is valid.

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^ He immerses the child or pours water upon it.

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^ Infant baptism has no meaning apart from the Christian family and without the guaranty of Christian education.

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.Such baptism is, however, later to be repeated conditionally, if the child survives its birth (Lehmkuhl, n.^ If the person recovers, Baptism should be repeated conditionally.

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^ If the child does not die and he or she repudiates the baptism then his or her baptism will account for nothing and need to be repeated.

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^ Infant Baptism Illustrated by a Childs Disease An infant who had the whooping cough knows nothing more about it later than of baptism as an infant.

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61). .It is to be noted that it is not sufficient for the water to merely touch the candidate; it must also flow, otherwise there would seem to be no real ablution.^ There would be no incest.

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^ It is not unreasonable to believe that at this time of the year there was no water around Jerusalem except the public pools, and who could believe that the enemies of this movement, authorities of Jerusalem, would under any circumstances allow the pools of water to be defiled?

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^ There would be no sacrament at all, even if he were at that time bereft of his senses.

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.At best, such a baptism would be considered doubtful.^ We would create such a useless rite such as baptism.

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^ Paul was considered a proselyte, otherwise his infant baptism no doubt would have been accepted.

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.If the water touches only the hair, the sacrament has probably been validly conferred, though in practice the safer course must be followed.^ There we saw that the whole teaching of the Bible is that water baptism must follow repentance and faith.

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^ However, if before falling unconscious he had made an intention to be baptized, the Sacrament can be conferred validly.

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^ In reality, the Word is everything in the sacrament, immersion in the water is only the seal which confirms the Word and makes it fully certain.

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.If only the clothes of the person have received the aspersion, the baptism is undoubtedly void.^ Baptism may be received "only once.".

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^ A baptized person who is a member of a non-Catholic community, is not to be admitted except with a Catholic godparent, and then only as a witness of the Baptism.

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^ Receiving his baptism was an honor;it was not something that a person could receive simply by deciding that he wanted it.

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.The water to be employed in solemn baptism should also be consecrated for the purpose, but of this we shall treat in another section of this article.^ Nothing is yet heard of any consecration of the water, or of fixed seasons for baptism.

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^ Immersion ignores the Bibles own identification of its mode of water baptism in Hebrews 9:10 (see Section I, hereof).

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^ But I am contending that water baptism is not essential to salvation and that it should not be the primary element in preaching.

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.It is necessary in baptizing to make use of a threefold ablution in conferring this sacrament, by reason of the prescription of the Roman ritual.^ However, if before falling unconscious he had made an intention to be baptized, the Sacrament can be conferred validly.

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^ In practise it is the sacrament of penance which subsequently makes the character of the baptized heretic or hypocrite efficacious for salvation.

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^ And so, it is a way open only to those who have reached the use of reason, because only these are capable of making an act of charity.

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This necessarily refers, however, to the liceity, not to the validity of the ceremony, as St. Thomas Church and apparently of Apostolic origin. It is mentioned by Tertullian (De cor. milit., iii), St. Basil (De Sp. S., xxvii), St. Jerome (Dial. Contra Luc., viii), and many other early writers. .Its object is, of course, to honor the three Persons of the Holy Trinity in whose name it is conferred.^ In the Didache or The Doctrine of the Twelve Apostles (100 A.D.), there is a description of Baptism by pouring the water three times on the head, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

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^ The saint whose name is taken at Baptism becomes a heavenly patron vho exercises special lifelong care over the baptized person.

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^ How can any of these act lawfully in the name of the holy three when there is no communication from them, and they claim none?

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.That this threefold ablution was not considered necessary to the validity of the sacrament, however, is plain.^ If A Positive Doubt Exists As To The "Fact" Or "Validity" Of Baptism, This Should Be Repeated Conditionally As This Is A Sacrament Necessary For Salvation.

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.In the seventh century the Fourth Council of Toledo (633) approved the use of a single ablution in baptism, as a protest against the false trinitarian theories of the Arians, who seem to have given to the threefold immersion a significance which made it imply three natures in the Holy Trinity.^ And a washing of a baby who can't consent joins the baby to Christ and the Church as long as the right words are used and so the baptism is real.

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^ When non-Catholics are converted into the Catholic Church and their sect has no baptism or uses an invalid form, the converts must be given Baptism absolutely.

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^ The usual argument against infant baptism, often borrowed from some of our separated Christian brethren (e.g., the Baptists) who deny the validity of infant Baptism, is as follows: .

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To insist on the unity and consubstantiality of the three Divine Persons, the Spanish Catholics adopted the single ablution and this method had the approval of Pope Gregory the Great (I, Ep. xliii). .The Eunomian heretics used only one immersion and their baptism was held invalid by the First Council of Constantinople (can.^ Mosheim says: ''Immersion only was used in the first and second centuries."

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^ When non-Catholics are converted into the Catholic Church and their sect has no baptism or uses an invalid form, the converts must be given Baptism absolutely.

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^ So then, isn't baptism, like the law, something that was fulfilled by Christ - the only one who was and is worthy - and not tied to nor required for either salvation or righteousness or obedience?

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vii); but this was not on account of the single ablution, but apparently because they baptized in the death of Christ. The authority of this canon is, moreover, doubtful at best.

(2) Form

The requisite and sole valid form of baptism is: "I baptize thee (or This person is baptized) in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." This was the form given by Christ to His Disciples in the twenty-eighth chapter of St. Matthew's Gospel, as far, at least, as there is question of the invocation of the separate Persons of the Trinity and the expression of the nature of the action performed. .For the Latin usage: "I baptize thee", etc., we have the authority of the Council of Trent (Sess.^ Converts are thus, where any uncertainty exists, baptized hypothetically with the form, "If thou art not already baptized, I baptize thee," etc.

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VII, can. iv) and of the Council of Florence in the Decree of Union. In addition we have the constant practice of the whole Western Church. .The Latins also recognize as valid the form used by the Greeks: "This servant of Christ is baptized", etc.^ That is why, the following cannot be used and are not valid matter for Baptism: milk, blood, tears, wine, fruit juice, saliva, perspiration, soup, ink, etc.

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^ Converts are thus, where any uncertainty exists, baptized hypothetically with the form, "If thou art not already baptized, I baptize thee," etc.

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^ To answer this objection, we can say that although the word "baptize" in Greek originally meant "to immerse," during the time of Christ, it had acquired a broader meaning: "to wash" or "to cleanse."

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The Florentine decree acknowledges the validity of this form and it is moreover recognized by the Bull of Leo X, "Accepimus nuper", and of Clement VII, "Provisionis nostrae." Substantially, the Latin and Greek forms are the same, and the Latin Church has never rebaptized Orientals on their return to unity. .At one time some Western theologians disputed the Greek form, because they doubted the validity of the imperative or deprecatory formula: "Let this person be baptized" (baptizetur).^ When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.

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^ They always come back to some form of "It's in the Bible."

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^ Because the validation of ordinance comes directly from the person – not the LDS Church.

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.As a matter of fact, however, the Greeks use the indicative, or enuntiative, formula: "This person is baptized" (baptizetai, baptizetur).^ He could make a mistake in the Form (reciting the formula incorrectly or omitting essential words) or in the Matter he uses (for example, using alcohol or medicine).

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^ Any person with the use of reason can and should baptize in case of necessity, whether he be Catholic or pagan, Mohammedan, Jew, Aglipayan, Protestant or any other non-Catholic, whether baptized or unbaptized.

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This is unquestionable from their Euchologies, and from the testimony of Arcudius (apud Cat., tit. ii, cap. i), of Goar (Rit. Græc. Illust.), of Martene (De Ant. Eccl. Rit., I) and of the theological compendium of the schismatical Russians (St. Petersburg, 1799). .It is true that in the decree for the Armenians, Pope Eugene IV uses baptizetur, according to the ordinary version of this decree, but Labbe, in his edition of the Council of Florence seems to consider it a corrupt reading, for in the margin he prints baptizatur. It has been suggested by Goar that the resemblance between baptizetai and baptizetur is responsible for the mistake.^ But since the investigations of Riggenbach, the ordinary reading may be considered the original.

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^ The close relation between sponsors and child was considered to lay a grave responsibility upon the former.

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^ There is not the slightest resemblance between the manner of calling and inducting the popes of Rome into their office and the calling, anointing and ordaining of the apostle and Prophet Peter into his office.

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The correct translation is, of course, baptizatur.

.In administering this sacrament it is absolutely necessary to use the word "baptize" or its equivalent (Alex.^ Bishops preach the Word, preside at the sacraments, and administer discipline in such a way as to be representative pastoral ministers of oversight, continuity and unity in the Church.

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^ We can say then that Christ used the word "baptize" in its broad sense, the one generally taken during his time.

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^ If there is doubt that the proper Form and Matter for valid Baptism has used, the Subject is baptized conditionally with the words: " If you are not yet baptized .

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VIII, Prop. damn., xxvii), otherwise the ceremony is invalid. This had already been decreed by Alexander III (Cap. Si quis, I, x, De Bapt.), and it is confirmed by the Florentine decree. .It has been the constant practice of both the Latin and Greek Churches to make use of words expressing the act performed.^ The Greek word used for children is "teknon."

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^ And a washing of a baby who can't consent joins the baby to Christ and the Church as long as the right words are used and so the baptism is real.

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^ This is the same word used to describe eight-day old infants in Acts 21:21.

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St. Thomas sacramental nature of the ablution. St. Paul (Coloss., iii) exhorts us to do all things in the name of God, and consequently an ablution could be performed in the name of the Trinity to obtain restoration of health. .Therefore it is that in the form of this sacrament, the act of baptism must be expressed, and the matter and form be united to leave no doubt of the meaning of the ceremony.^ Parents who hold that bringing a child for baptism is offering them somebody to love them no matter what are deluding themselves.

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^ Here again, as in the Apostolic Constitutions and Cyril, the first act of the real baptismal ceremony is the blessing of the water.

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^ The act of immersion can vividly express the reality that in baptism the Christian participates in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

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.In addition to the necessary word "baptize", or its equivalent, it is also obligatory to mention the separate Persons of the Holy Trinity.^ Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that lie said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost" (Acts 11:15-16).

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^ The words: "(N.), I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit," must be said at the same time the water of Baptism is poured (or the subject is immersed in water).

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^ All forms of Catholicism hold that it is necessary to mean the three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit in one God doctrine as well when one baptises.

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.This is the command of Christ to His Disciples, and as the sacrament has its efficacy from Him Who instituted it, we can not omit anything that He has prescribed.^ May all who are buried with Christ in the death of Baptism rise also with him to newness of life.

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^ However, if he neglects to baptise those who should be baptised, a real disciple who desires to follow the Lord in the waters of baptism should find someone who will baptise him according to the will of God.

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^ We must say that baptism is a sacrament that was instituted by Christ to forgive people their sins and incorporate them into His body in His New Covenant.

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.Nothing is more certain than that this has been the general understanding and practice of the Church.^ Does he possess any of these in any degree any more than the cardinals, the bishops and priests under and associated with him in his church?

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^ The Church is more concerned about getting the child to agree with Catholicism than helping the child.

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^ I learned more about what actually goes on in the Mormon church from that website than from any deceitful missionaries who have talked to me.

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Tertullian tells us (De Bapt., xiii): "The law of baptism (tingendi) has been imposed and the form prescribed: Go, teach the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." St. Justin Martyr (Apol., I) testifies to the practice in his time. St. Ambrose (De Myst., IV) declares: "Unless a person has been baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, he can not obtain the remission of his sins," St. Cyprian (Ad Jubaian.), rejecting the validity of baptism given in the name of .Christ only, affirms that the naming of all the Persons of the Trinity was commanded by the Lord (in plena et adunata Trinitate).^ "And he commanded them to be baptised in the name of the Lord."

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^ Now when Peter was came and heard his story, he commanded them to be baptized "in the name of the Lord," and why?

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^ Likewise, they acknowledge that baptism, as a baptism into Christ's death, has ethical implications which not only call for personal sanctification, but also motivate Christians to strive for the realization of the will of God in all realms of life (Rom.

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The same is declared by many other primitive writers, as St. Jerome (IV, in Matt.), Origen (De Princ., i, ii), St. Athanasius (Or. iv, Contr. Ar.), St. Augustine (De Bapt., vi, 25). .It is not, of course, absolutely necessary that the common names Father, Son, and Holy Ghost be used, provided the Persons be expressed by words that are equivalent or synonymous.^ It was not the Christian sacrament of baptism that we have - in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

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^ Baptism is administered with water in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

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^ Accordingly it is rarely used more literally than of the sinking of ships by storm or by war, with the implication, of course, of their destruction; or of the bathing of persons (Eubulus, Nausicaa, 1), with the implication, of course, of their cleansing.

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.But a distinct naming of the Divine Persons is required and the form: "I baptize thee in the name of the Holy Trinity", would be of more than doubtful validity.^ This, of course, would be of doubtful validity.

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^ Converts are thus, where any uncertainty exists, baptized hypothetically with the form, "If thou art not already baptized, I baptize thee," etc.

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The singular form "In the name", not "names", is also to be employed, as it expresses the unity of the Divine nature. .When, through ignorance, an accidental, not substantial, change has been made in the form (as In nomine patriâ for Patris), the baptism is to be held valid.^ Ordination is a sign performed in faith that the spiritual relationship signified is pre-sent in, with and through the words spoken, the gestures made and the forms employed.

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^ The Old Testament church was taken over, with specified changes, to form the new church; with no change commanded in its membership, no change was made.

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^ I was made to believe that I might be lost if I did not change my mind about baptism.

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.The mind of the Church as to the necessity of serving the trinitarian formula in this sacrament has been clearly shown by her treatment of baptism conferred by heretics.^ This is clearly stated in the new Code: "Baptism is to be conferred either by immersion or by pouring, the prescriptions of the conference of bishops being observed."

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^ Canon 862 further stipulates that outside of a case of necessity, no one is allowed to confer Baptism without due permission.

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^ Code states that, outside of a case of necessity, the water used in conferring Baptism should be blessed according to the prescriptions of the liturgical books.

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Any ceremony that did not observe this form has been declared invalid. The Montanists baptized in the name of the Father and the Son and Montanus and Priscilla (St. Basil, Ep. i, Ad Amphil.). As a consequence, the Council of Laodicea ordered their rebaptism. The Arians at the time of the Council of Nicæa do not seem to have tampered with the baptismal formula, for that Council does not order their rebaptism. When, then, St. Athanasius (Or. ii, Contr. Ar.) and St. Jerome (Contra Lucif.) declare the .Arians to have baptized in the name of the Creator and creatures, they must either refer to their doctrine or to a later changing of the sacramental form.^ Then the devil cannot tempt them to think they were not baptized in the right name.

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^ In this new relationship, the baptized live for the sake of Christ, of his Church and of the world which he loves, while they wait in hope for the manifestation of God's new creation and for the time when God will be all in all (Rom.

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.It is well known that the latter was the case with the Spanish Arians and that consequently converts from the sect were rebaptized.^ At other times one hears of converts from non-Catholic sects, already baptized in their own churches, being rebaptized in the Catholic Church.

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.The Anomæans, a branch of the Arians, baptized with the formula: "In the name of the uncreated God and in the name of the created Son, and in the name of the Sanctifying Spirit, procreated by the created Son" (Epiphanius, Hær., Ixxvii).^ But as baptism is one of those ordinances or sacraments of the gospel of Jesus Christ, which must be administered in the name or by the authority of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, I propose now to show what it is to act in the name, not only of God, but in the names of men and kings and nations also.

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^ When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.

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^ But when they believed Philip as he preached the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

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.Other Arian sects, such as the Eunomians and Aetians, baptized "in the death of Christ". Converts from Sabellianism were ordered by the First Council of Constantinople (can.^ So verses 4-6 set forth results in the life of one who has been baptized into the death of Jesus Christ.

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^ How many are still baptizing in water, and perfforming other dead ceremonial works, without knowing that by doing so they are denying the sufficincy of Christ!

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^ Romans 6:1-3 implies that a saved one is dead to sin through the death of the Lord Jesus, baptism into Christ having baptized him into Christs death.

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vii) to be rebaptized because the doctrine of .Sabellius that there was but one person in the Trinity had infected their baptismal form.^ There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of personal stories of people who are just as clear-headed as you are who have seen spirits (some related to them, some not) who have asked them to do their baptism for them.

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^ There is not a single instance in the New Testament where a congregation or person left the place where the conversion took place to go off to hunt a stream of water for baptism.

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^ What if baptism is not a good sacrament, one that makes a person good or more inclined to be good?

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.The two sects sprung from Paul of Samosata, who denied Christ's Divinity, likewise conferred invalid baptism.^ The most common error of these sects is the denial of the divinity of Christ.

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^ May all who are buried with Christ in the death of Baptism rise also with him to newness of life.

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^ And a washing of a baby who can't consent joins the baby to Christ and the Church as long as the right words are used and so the baptism is real.

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They were the Paulianists and Photinians. Pope Innocent I (Ad. Episc. Maced., vi) declares that these sectaries did not distinguish the Persons of the Trinity when baptizing. The Council of Nicæa (can. xix) ordered the rebaptism of Paulianists, and the Council of Aries (can. xvi and xvii) decreed the same for both Paulianists and Photinians.

.There has been a theological controversy over the question as to whether baptism in the name of Christ only was ever held valid.^ Baptism is related not only to momentary experience, but to life-long growth into Christ.

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^ So then, isn't baptism, like the law, something that was fulfilled by Christ - the only one who was and is worthy - and not tied to nor required for either salvation or righteousness or obedience?

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Certain texts in the New Testament have given rise to this difficulty. Thus St. Paul (Acts, xix) commands some disciples at Ephesus to be baptized in Christ's name: "They were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." In Acts 10, we read that St. Peter ordered others to be baptized "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ". Those who were converted by Philip. .(Acts, viii) "were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ", and above all we have the explicit command of the Prince of the Apostles: "Be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins (Acts, ii).^ Reject sin; profess your faith in Christ Jesus.

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^ Peter answered: "Do penance, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins."

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^ You have asked to have your child baptized.

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.Owing to these texts some theologians have held that the Apostles baptized in the name of Christ only.^ Christ instituted infant and adult baptism with water alone in these words: "Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

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^ When Christ said, "Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost," He Included children.

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^ Peter answered: "Do penance, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins."

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St. Thomas, St. Bonaventure, and Albertus Magnus are invoked as authorities for this opinion, they declaring that the Apostles so acted by special dispensation. Other writers, as Peter Lombard and Hugh of St. Victor, hold also that such baptism would be valid, but say nothing of a dispensation for the Apostles. .The most probable opinion, however, seems to be that the terms "in the name of Jesus", "in the name of Christ", either refer to baptism in the faith taught by Christ, or are employed to distinguish Christian baptism from that of John the Precursor.^ Jesus Christ, as in water baptism.

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^ Reject sin; profess your faith in Christ Jesus.

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^ II Kings v, 14); and by the time the New Testament was written it seems to have supplanted the term commonly employed in the Greek Old Testament [ louesthai for this purpose (cf.

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.It seems altogether unlikely that immediately after Christ had solemnly promulgated the trinitarian formula of baptism, the Apostles themselves would have substituted another.^ Thus by the middle of the second century the administration of baptism would seem to have been alike in essentials throughout the whole Church.

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^ Another example would be the Baptism of the jailer and his family in the prison where St. Paul was confined.

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^ The Minister of Baptism: It would seem that the original system allowed any baptized person to baptize others; at least it is impossible to assert that only the apostles or those commissioned by them could administer the sacrament (cf.

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In fact, the words of St. Paul (Acts, xix) imply quite plainly that they did not. For, when some Christians at Ephesus declared that they had never heard of the Holy Ghost, the Apostle asks: "In whom then were you baptized?" This text certainly seems to declare that St. Paul took it for granted that the Ephesians must have heard the name of the Holy Ghost when the sacramental formula of baptism was pronounced over them.

.The authority of Pope Stephen I has been alleged for the validity of baptism given in the name of Christ only.^ Baptism is related not only to momentary experience, but to life-long growth into Christ.

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^ The child is given the name of a saint at Baptism because it symbolizes newness of life in Christ and incorporation into the Christian community.

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St. Cyprian says (Ep. ad Jubaian.) that this pontiff declared all baptism valid provided it was given in the name of Jesus Christ. .It must be noted that the same explanation applies to Stephen's words as to the Scriptural texts above given.^ Given the diversity in practice among the churches and at the same time taking note of the present situation in the convergence process, it is worthwhile to suggest: .

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^ He must of course pronounce the words of Baptism: "I baptize you, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit," and at the same time pours water on the subject.

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Moreover, Firmilian, in his letter to St. Cyprian, implies that Pope Stephen required an explicit mention of the Trinity in baptism, for he quotes the pontiff as declaring that the sacramental grace is conferred because a person has been baptized "with the invocation of the names of the Trinity, Father and Son and Holy Ghost". A passage that is very difficult of explanation is found in the works of St. Ambrose (Lib. I, De Sp. S., iii), where he declares that if a person names one of the Trinity, he names all of them: "If you say Christ, you have designated God the Father, by whom the Son was anointed, and Him Who was anointed Son, and the Holy Ghost in whom He was anointed." This passage has been generally interpreted as referring to the faith of the catechumen, but not to the baptismal form. More difficult is the explanation of the response of Pope Nicholas I to the Bulgarians (cap. civ; Labbe, VIII), in which he states that a person is not to be rebaptized who has already been baptized "in the name of the Holy Trinity or in the name of Christ only, as we read in the Acts of the Apostles (for it is one and the same thing, as St. Ambrose has explained)". As in the passage to which the pope alludes, St. Ambrose was speaking of the faith of the recipient of baptism, as we have already stated, it has been held probable that this is also the meaning that Pope Nicholas intended his words to convey (see another explanation in Pesch, Prælect. Dogm., VI, no. 389). What seems to confirm this is the same pontiff's reply to the Bulgarians (Resp. .15) on another occasion when they consulted him on a practical case.^ Respecting another religion or their beliefs is allow them to practice their religion how they see fit.

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^ "Respecting another religion or their beliefs is allow them to practice their religion how they see fit.

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^ Or they can choose to consider Mormonism as the be all and end all- in which case I hope they move to another planet and leave the rest of us in peace.

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.They inquired whether certain persons are to be rebaptized on whom a man, pretending to be a Greek priest, had conferred baptism?^ If there is doubt as to whether the convert has been baptized, or whether the previous baptism has been validly conferred, and if doubt remains after serious investigation, Baptism is to be conferred conditionally .

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^ If there is doubt as to whether one has been baptized, or whether Baptism has been validly conferred, and if the doubt remains even after a serious investigation, Baptism is to be conferred upon this person conditionally.

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^ The Sacrament of Baptism, when administered by a lay person - whether man, woman, boy or girl - is called lay Baptism.

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.Pope Nicholas replies that the baptism is to be held valid "if they were baptized, in the name of the supreme and undivided Trinity". Here the pope does not give baptism in the name of Christ only as an alternative.^ Here they washed the blood from the backs of the prisoners and here they were baptized.

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^ In some parts of the world, the giving of a name in the baptismal liturgy has led to confusion between baptism and customs surrounding name giving.

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^ Baptism is related not only to momentary experience, but to life-long growth into Christ.

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.Moralists raise the question of the validity of a baptism in whose administration something else had been added to the prescribed form as "and in the name of the Blessed Virgin Mary". They reply that such baptism would be invalid, if the minister intended thereby to attribute the same efficacy to the added name as to the names of the Three Divine Persons.^ It is interesting that nobody wants to check out the life of the person who is suspected to have received an invalid baptism to see if they are holy and showing signs of being healed and blessed by baptism which would mean the baptism must have been valid.

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^ When non-Catholics are converted into the Catholic Church and their sect has no baptism or uses an invalid form, the converts must be given Baptism absolutely.

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^ Thus by the middle of the second century the administration of baptism would seem to have been alike in essentials throughout the whole Church.

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.If, however, it was done through a mistaken piety only, it would not interfere with the validity (S. Alph., n.^ Later, however, he believed that even children dying unbaptized could not be saved, although they would meet only the smallest degree of condemnation (cf.

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111).

VII. CONDITIONAL BAPTISM

.From the foregoing it is evident that not all baptism administered by heretics or schismatics is invalid.^ If his former Baptism was invalid, his Conditional Baptism washed his soul from all stain of sin, and the Absolution was unnecessary, but reverence for the Sacraments was guarded by making them conditional.

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^ Some Christian denominations, notably the Baptists and the Eastern schismatic churches, hold that Baptism can be validly administered only by total immersion.

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^ Baptism which is administered by a priest and with all the ceremonies in the Rite of Baptism is what we call Solemn Baptism.

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.On the contrary, if the proper matter and form be used and the one conferring the sacrament really "intends to perform what the Church performs" the baptism is undoubtedly valid.^ That is why, the following cannot be used and are not valid matter for Baptism: milk, blood, tears, wine, fruit juice, saliva, perspiration, soup, ink, etc.

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^ And a washing of a baby who can't consent joins the baby to Christ and the Church as long as the right words are used and so the baptism is real.

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^ When non-Catholics are converted into the Catholic Church and their sect has no baptism or uses an invalid form, the converts must be given Baptism absolutely.

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.This is also authoritatively stated in the decree for the Armenians and the canons of the Council of Trent already given.^ The baptism of infants was expressly commended by the Council of Trent (Session vii, de baptism, canon xiii).

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.The question becomes a practical one when converts to the Faith have to be dealt with.^ After having received instruction in the doctrines, practices, and laws of the Catholic Church, the convert is taken to church to make his Formal Abjuration and Solemn Profession of the Catholic Faith.

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^ In Canon Law you are a lapsed Catholic if you don't practice and you become a non-Catholic if you convert to another religion.

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.If there were one authorized mode of baptizing among the sects, and if the necessity and true significance of the sacrament were uniformly taught and put in practice among them, there would be little difficulty as to the status of converts from the sects.^ There would be no sacrament at all, even if he were at that time bereft of his senses.

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^ But it is equally true that throughout the whole patristic period no one ever doubted the entire validity of baptism administered in other modes of applying the water.

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^ There never was any difficulty with administering the God-planned, Bible mode of water baptism (sprinkling) whenever there is enough water to sustain the physical life of those to be baptized.

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.But there is no such unity of teaching and practice among them, and consequently the particular case of each convert must be examined into when there is question of his reception into the Church.^ There was no practice then of immersion.

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^ No baptism into your church.

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^ He alleged no revelation calling for such a departure from all the related commands and practices of the Old Testament.

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.For not only are there religious denominations in which baptism is in all probability not validly administered, but there are those also which have a ritual sufficient indeed for validity, but in practice the likelihood of their members having received baptism validly is more than doubtful.^ Baptism may be received "only once.".

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^ Baptism is a lot more than that.

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^ INFANT BAPTISM A COMMAND OF THE LORD Those who oppose infant baptism claim that there Is no specific command to do so.

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As a consequence converts must be dealt with differently. .If it be certain that a convert was validly baptized in heresy, the sacrament is not repeated, but the ceremonies which had been omitted in such baptism are to be supplied, unless the bishop, for sufficient reasons, judges that they can be dispensed with.^ Nevertheless they can be validly baptized and will receive the fruits of the Sacrament.

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^ Unless we are baptized, we cannot and may not receive any of the other Sacraments.

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^ Validly baptized converts are required to make a Formal Abjuration of their past errors and a Solemn Profession of the Catholic Faith.

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(For the United States, see Conc. Prov. .Balt., I.) If it be uncertain whether the convert's baptism was valid or not, then he is to be baptized conditionally.^ It is uncertain whether the later rite with which Jewish proselyte baptism was performed (see PROSELYTE) was in existence at the foundation of the Christian Church; but if so, it is most likely that the Christian rite was a free adaptation of it.

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^ If there is doubt as to whether the convert has been baptized, or whether the previous baptism has been validly conferred, and if doubt remains after serious investigation, Baptism is to be conferred conditionally .

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^ So whether or not the thief on the cross was or was not a baptized man, there is no evidence that he went into heaven on the day of the crucifixion, or that he will be excused from obeying the ordinance of baptism if he had not already obeyed it.

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.In such cases the ritual is: "If thou art not yet baptized, then I baptize thee in the name", etc.^ Converts are thus, where any uncertainty exists, baptized hypothetically with the form, "If thou art not already baptized, I baptize thee," etc.

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^ Kilbourn adds: These ritual cleansings are called baptizings, and the mode of performing such ablutions is sprinkling. b.

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^ LXX) is made to say he is baptized with iniquity; the English equivalent in such cases being something like "overwhelmed," "steeped," or the like.

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The First Synod of Westminster, England, directs that adult converts are to be baptized not publicly but privately with holy water (i.e. not the consecrated baptismal water) and without the usual ceremonies (Decr. xvi). .Practically, converts in the United States are almost invariably baptized either absolutely or conditionally, not because the baptism administered by heretics is held to be invalid, but because it is generally impossible to discover whether they had ever been properly baptized.^ Converts who are Baptized Absolutely: .

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^ If they are not then they are not consenting properly or validly to the baptism.

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^ When non-Catholics are converted into the Catholic Church and their sect has no baptism or uses an invalid form, the converts must be given Baptism absolutely.

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.Even in cases where a ceremony had certainly been performed, reasonable doubt of validity will generally remain, on account of either the intention of the administrator or the mode of administration.^ But it is equally true that throughout the whole patristic period no one ever doubted the entire validity of baptism administered in other modes of applying the water.

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^ If the candidate is an adult, the doctrine of the Sacrament is explained to him: If the candidate is an infant, the reasons for doubt about the validity of the previous baptism are explained to the parents.

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Still each case must be examined into (S. C. Inquis., 20 Nov., 1878) lest the sacrament be sacrilegiously repeated.

.As to the baptism of the various sects, Sabetti (no.^ When non-Catholics are converted into the Catholic Church and their sect has no baptism or uses an invalid form, the converts must be given Baptism absolutely.

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.662) states that the Oriental Churches and the "Old Catholics" generally administer baptism accurately; the Socinians and Quakers do not baptize at all; the Baptists use the rite only for adults, and the efficacy of their baptism has been called in question owing to the separation of the matter and the form, for the latter is pronounced before the immersion takes place; the Congregationalists, Unitarians and Universalists deny the necessity of baptism, and hence the presumption is that they do not administer it accurately; the Methodists and Presbyterians baptize by aspersion or sprinkling, and it may be reasonably doubted whether the water has touched the body and flowed upon it; among the Episcopalians many consider baptism to have no true efficacy and to be merely an empty ceremony, and consequently there is a well-grounded fear that they are not sufficiently careful in its administration.^ John the Baptist, and the Christian rite which is called " baptism."

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^ No real baptism takes place if such a formula is used.

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^ This character is indelible, and depends only upon the due administration of the sacrament as to matter and form.

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.To this may be added, that Episcopalians often baptize by aspersion, and though such a method is undoubtedly valid if properly employed, yet in practice it is quite possible that the sprinkled water may not touch the skin.^ Aspersion means sprinkling the water.

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^ Kilbourn adds: These ritual cleansings are called baptizings, and the mode of performing such ablutions is sprinkling. b.

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Sabetti also notes that ministers of the same sect do not everywhere follow a uniform method of baptizing. .The practical method of reconciling heretics with the Church is as follows:-- If baptism be conferred absolutely, the convert is to make no abjuration or profession of faith, nor is he to make a confession of his sins and receive absolution, because the sacrament of regeneration washes away his past offences.^ Finally, after conditional Baptism , the convert makes a Sacramental Confession of all his sins, and receives Conditional Absolution .

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^ Converts who have to make a Formal Abjuration and Solemn Profession of the Catholic Faith: .

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^ No baptism into your church.

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.If his baptism is to be conditional, he must first make an abjuration of his errors, or a profession of faith, then receive the conditional baptism, and lastly make a sacramental confession followed by conditional absolution.^ Finally, after conditional Baptism , the convert makes a Sacramental Confession of all his sins, and receives Conditional Absolution .

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^ Converts who have to receive Conditional Baptism: .

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^ Does God ever save an infant as such, or must the child first be capable of faith?

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.If the convert's former baptism was judged to be certainly valid, he is only to make the abjuration or the profession of faith and receive absolution from the censures he may have incurred (Excerpta Rit.^ Converts who have to make a Formal Abjuration and Solemn Profession of the Catholic Faith: .

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^ Converts who have to receive Conditional Baptism: .

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^ When non-Catholics are converted into the Catholic Church and their sect has no baptism or uses an invalid form, the converts must be given Baptism absolutely.

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Rom., 1878). .The abjuration or profession of faith here prescribed is the Creed of Pius IV, translated into the vernacular.^ Validly baptized converts are required to make a Formal Abjuration of their past errors and a Solemn Profession of the Catholic Faith.

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^ After having received instruction in the doctrines, practices, and laws of the Catholic Church, the convert is taken to church to make his Formal Abjuration and Solemn Profession of the Catholic Faith.

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^ Rome and Syria); and here and there a formal profession of faith may have been in use.

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.In the case of conditional baptism, the confession may precede the administration of the rite and the conditional absolution be imparted after the baptism.^ These cases are doubtful cases, and the rite administered is not absolute , but conditional baptism.

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^ If his former Baptism was invalid, his Conditional Baptism washed his soul from all stain of sin, and the Absolution was unnecessary, but reverence for the Sacraments was guarded by making them conditional.

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^ In an adult Baptism , to support him or her during the rite of Christian initiation; In the case of infant Baptism, to present along with the parents, the infant candidate.

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.This is often done as a matter of fact, as the confession is an excellent preparation for the reception of the sacrament (De Herdt, VI, viii; Sabetti, no.^ To judge from Tertullian's most detailed account in the De baptismo, there was a period of preparation, marked by frequent prayers, fasting, vigils, and confession of sin.

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725).

VIII. REBAPTISM

.To complete the consideration of the validity of baptism conferred by heretics, we must give some account of the celebrated controversy that raged around this point in the ancient Church.^ When non-Catholics are converted into the Catholic Church and their sect has no baptism or uses an invalid form, the converts must be given Baptism absolutely.

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^ The following churches are usually considered to administer a valid Baptism in the Philippines: .

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.In Africa and Asia Minor the custom had been introduced in the early part of the third century of rebaptizing all converts from heresy.^ None the less, as early as the second century the custom developed of baptizing children, if not infants in arms at least those of "tender age" (see below, IV, 2).

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As far as can be now ascertained, the practice of rebaptism arose in Africa owing to decrees of a Synod of Carthage held probably between 218 and 222; while in Asia Minor it seems to have had its origin at the Synod of Iconium, celebrated between 230 and 235. The controversy on rebaptism is especially connected with the names of Pope St. Stephen and of St. Cyprian of Carthage. The latter was the main champion of the practice of rebaptizing. .The pope, however, absolutely condemned the practice, and commanded that heretics on entering the Church should receive only the imposition of hands in paenitentiam. In this celebrated controversy it is to noted that Pope Stephen declares that he is upholding the primitive custom when he declares for the validity of baptism conferred by heretics.^ Then he should take the baptism as valid.

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^ With respect to the more established Christian churches, conditional Baptism should be administered whenever there is doubt concerning: .

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^ This contributes to the reluctance of churches which practise believers' baptism to acknowledge the validity of infant baptism; this fact should lead to more critical reflection on the meaning of baptism within those majority churches themselves.

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Cyprian, on the contrary, implicitly admits that antiquity is against his own practice, but stoutly maintains that it is more in accordance with an enlightened study of the subject. .The tradition against him he declares to be "a human and unlawful tradition". Neither Cyprian, however, nor his zealous abettor, Firmilian, could show that rebaptism was older than the century in which they were living.^ However, you live in this country and that means they are entitled to believe what they want so long and they don't infringe on yours.

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^ Based on that, they also believe that every good, honest person who has ever lived will be in "heaven"--a place far better and with greater happiness than on this earth.

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^ In their public lives, in the middle of society they must show themselves as they really are: people who love and live for Christ.

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.The contemporaneous but anonymous author of the book "De Rebaptismate" says that the ordinances of Pope Stephen, forbidding the rebaptism of converts, are in accordance with antiquity and ecclesiastical tradition, and are consecrated as an ancient, memorable, and solemn observance of all the saints and of all the faithful.^ At least pagans are better off for the Church says they can doubt all they want before they are ready for the gift of faith.

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^ God is not the author of these things, therefore the modern churches, where all these carnal doings are found, are not yet converted to God, but are walking after their own corrupt ways.

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^ Without doubt then Baptism, as an ordinance, was for the remission of all past sins, let the objector say what he may about it.

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St. Augustine believes that the custom of not rebaptizing is an Apostolic tradition, and St. Vincent of Lérins declares that the Synod of Carthage introduced rebaptism against the Divine Law (canonem), against the rule of the universal Church, and against the customs and institutions of the ancients. By Pope Stephen's decision, he continues, antiquity was retained and novelty was destroyed (retenta est antiquitas, explosa novitas). It is true that the so-called Apostolic Canons (xlv and xlvi) speak of the non-validity of baptism conferred by heretics, but Döllinger says that these canons are comparatively recent, and De Marca points out that St. Cyprian would have appealed to them had they been in existence before the controversy. Pope St. Stephen, therefore, upheld a doctrine already ancient in the third century when he declared against the rebaptism of heretics, and decided that the sacrament was not to be repeated because its first administration had been valid, This has been the law of the Church ever since.

IX. NECESSITY OF BAPTISM

.Theologians distinguish a twofold necessity, which they call a necessity of means (medii) and a necessity of precept (præcepti), The first (medii) indicates a thing to be so necessary that, if lacking (though inculpably), salvation can not be attained, The second (præcepti) is had when a thing is indeed so necessary that it may not be omitted voluntarily without sin; yet, ignorance of the precept or inability to fulfill it, excuses one from its observance.^ Among other things, Paul Vl reaffirmed the centuries-old teaching of the Church on infant baptism: "Baptism should be conferred even on infants who are yet unable to commit any sin personally, in order that, having been born without supernatural grace, they may be born again of water and the Holy Spirit to divine life in Christ Jesus."

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^ They don't know anything, and I mean ANYTHING. (Oh well, I have met one or two who were not totally clueless).

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^ Societies, indeed, may be found among us, far in advance of others in their progress toward the ancient order of things," (that is, the apostolic church, with its gifts and blessings) "but we know of none that have fully attained to that model.

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.Baptism is held to be necessary both necessitate medii and præcepti.^ A. Both Passages Omit the Word Water One of the claims of immersionists is that to valid baptism much water is necessary (see Section V, hereof).

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.This doctrine is rounded on the words of Christ.^ They were in possession of but one Lord, one faith, and one baptism; and all had the pure words and doctrine of Christ, and no other.

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In John, iii, He declares: "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he can not enter into the kingdom of God." Christ makes no exception to this law and it is therefore general in its application, embracing both adults and infants. It is consequently not merely a necessity of precept but also a necessity of means. .This is the sense in which it has always been understood by the Church, and the Council of Trent (Sess, IV, cap, vi) teaches that justification can not be obtained, since the promulgation of the Gospel, without the washing of regeneration or the desire thereof (in voto), In the seventh session, it declares (can.^ The Council of Trent ( Sessio V ) teaches that it is not sin in the proper sense.

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^ The baptism of infants was expressly commended by the Council of Trent (Session vii, de baptism, canon xiii).

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v) .anathema upon anyone who says that baptism is not necessary for salvation.^ But those who deny that salvation is conditioned on baptism, who regard baptism as merely a token of a salvation already wrought, see no necessity for a resort to effusion.

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^ The fact that the English Bible nowhere uses immerse in any of its forms puts a heavy burden of proof upon those who contend that baptism means immersion.

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^ It is saying, "I am so good that I must have been cleansed of the evil that is in human beings - translation, baptism works for I am better than others even those who seem to be good."

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.We have rendered votum by "desire" for want of a better word.^ Baptism is clearly opposed to the "choice" (for want of a better word for its too young to make a choice) of the baby and religious freedom.

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.The council does not mean by votum a simple desire of receiving baptism or even a resolution to do so.^ It does not even stop babies being born carrying sin and needing baptism because of the natural inclination to defy God and get qualified and in danger of Hell.

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^ The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (the meaning of this passage has no bearing on this discussion).

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^ From this we can also infer that the person who receives Baptism of Blood does not necessarily have to be an adult; not so with Baptism of Desire as we have seen earlier.

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.It means by votum an act of perfect charity or contrition, including, at least implicitly, the will to do all things necessary for salvation and thus especially to receive baptism, The absolute necessity of this sacrament is often insisted on by the Fathers of the Church, especially when they speak of infant baptism.^ Spiritualism says that God has made all things thus God is the father of all things.

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^ Baptism has all the three essentials necessary for a Sacrament: .

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^ Baptism is the gateway to all the Sacraments.

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Thus St. Irenæus (II, xxii): "Christ came to save all who are reborn through Him to God,infants, children, and youths" (infantes et parvulos et pueros). St. Augustine (III De Anima) says "If you wish to be a Catholic, do not believe, nor say, nor teach, that infants who die before baptism can obtain the remission of original sin." A still stronger passage from the same doctor (Ep, xxviii, Ad Hieron.) reads:"Whoever says that even infants are vivified in Christ when they depart this life without the participation of His Sacrament (Baptism), both opposes the Apostolic preaching and condemns the whole Church which hastens to baptize infants, because it unhesitatingly believes that otherwise they can not possibly be vivified in Christ," St. Ambrose (II De Abraham., c. xi) speaking of the necessity of baptism, says:" .No one is excepted, not the infant, not the one hindered by any necessity."^ I answer that the saving blood of Christ has no saving effect upon any one except on the condition of obedience to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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^ Canon 862 further stipulates that outside of a case of necessity, no one is allowed to confer Baptism without due permission.

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^ No protest against abandonment of children is perhaps the strongest proofexcept direct Bible teachingsof the practice of infant baptism by the apostles.

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In the Pelagian controversy we find similarly strong pronouncements on the part of the Councils of Carthage and Milevis, and of Pope Innocent I. It is owing to the Church's belief in this necessity of baptism as a means to salvation that, as was already noted by St. Augustine, she committed the power of baptism in certain contingencies even to laymen and women. .When it is said that baptism is also necessary, by the necessity of precept (praecepti), it is of course understood that this applies only to such as are capable of receiving a precept, viz.^ Baptism may be received "only once.".

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^ Baptism is necessary for the salvation of all men because Christ said: "Unless a man is born through water and the spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God."

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^ By the present Roman Catholic and Greek usage, baptism in private houses is permitted only in case of necessity.

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adults.

.The necessity in this case is shown by the command of Christ to His Apostles (Matt., xxviii): "Go and teach all nations, baptizing them", etc.^ Go ye, therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; teaching them to OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I have commanded you, and lo, I am with you always (on these conditions) until the end of the world."

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^ In the New Testament, the term is re-served, on the one hand, for the unique priesthood of Jesus Christ and, on the other hand, for the royal and prophetic priesthood of all baptized.

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^ He also considered baptism necessary for salvation, believing unconditionally in the command of Christ, Matt.

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.Since the Apostles are commanded to baptize, the nations are commanded to receive baptism.^ For an adult to be baptized, he must manifest a willingness to receive Baptism, be adequately instructed about Christian truths and obligations, and be tried and proved in the Christian life through a catechumenate.

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^ Since these divers baptizings were all performed by sprinkling, we have here the Bibles explicit designation of sprinkling as its mode of baptism (see Section I, hereof).

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^ Wherefore it is held that the rite of baptism as spoken of in the New Testament was always a burial in water and that the command to baptize is a command to immerse.

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.The necessity of baptism has been called in question by some of the Reformers or their immediate forerunners.^ The Reformed Churches, on the other hand, denying the necessity of baptism to salvation, forbid it as a usurpation of the ecclesiastical ministry.

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^ The readiness of the churches in some places and times to allow differences of sex, race, or social status to divide the body of Christ has further called into question genuine baptismal unity of the Christian community(Gal.

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^ Reformed Zwingli and Calvin also devoted much of their thought to the question of baptism.

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It was denied by Wyclif, Bucer, and Zwingli. According to Calvin it is necessary for adults as a precept but not as a means. .Hence he contends that the infants of believing parents are sanctified in the womb and thus freed from original sin without baptism.^ Without the proof, baptism then is really for KEEPING a child in original sin.

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^ If a religion appeared that believed in saving babies for God by tracing a symbol on their foreheads using sheep urine an injunction would be granted without quibble if a parent requested that the baptism be averted and prevented by law.

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^ To baptise a baby is to say, "Baptism took my original sin away and I want you to be like me."

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.The Socinians teach that baptism is merely an external profession of the Christian faith and a rite which each one is free to receive or neglect.^ Within a fellowship of witness and service, Christians discover the full significance of the one baptism as the gift of God to all God's people.

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^ In order to profit from the fruit of Baptism- for example, to receive help to live a Christian life - one must also have made an act of faith in the chief doctrines of the Church, and have sorrow for all his past sins.

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^ On the one hand, things which had originally been part of the main rite were pushed back into the preparation, as in Jerusalem and Rome the renunciation and profession of faith took place in the outer court or vestibule, while the baptism proper began with the blessing of the water in the baptistery.

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.An argument against the absolute necessity of baptism has been sought in the text of Scripture: "Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you" (John 6).^ Arguments against Infant Baptism ( 1).

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^ Arguments against Infant Baptism.

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^ Catholics drink blood and eat flesh during communion.

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.Here, they say, is a parallel to the text: "Unless a man be born again of water". Yet everyone admits that the Eucharist is not necessary as a means but only as a precept.^ Just as a newly-born baby has, besides its natural life , all the means necessary to preserve and develop it (oxygen, nourishment, care of his parents, etc.

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^ They can only justify it by saying, "God has vowed to take care of the poor his own way leaving us free to enjoy our trappings."

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^ And as Jesus says: Verily, verily, I say onto you, except a man be b orn of the water , and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God ."

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The reply to this is obvious. .In the first instance, Christ addresses His words in the second person to adults; in the second, He speaks in the third person and without any distinction whatever.^ And the fulfillment of these demands is an act of loving obedience to the person of Jesus Christ the Incarnate Word of God.

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^ When he spoke of the Word, he always had before his eyes the living personality of Christ as the incarnate Word of God; he "saw" in the Spirit how God graciously inclines to man.

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Another favorite text is that of St. Paul (I Cor., vii): "The unbelieving husband is sanctified by the believing wife; and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the believing husband; otherwise your children should be unclean; but now they are holy." .Unfortunately for the strength of this argument, the context shows that the Apostle in this passage is not treating of regenerating or sanctifying grace at all, but answering certain questions proposed to him by the Corinthians concerning the validity of marriages between heathens and believers.^ But the real question is, if the Jews don't believe that the Messiah has come, why bother getting yourself all bent out of shape over this?

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^ If the answer to the second question is yes, then the immersionists interpretation of Mark 16:16a applies also to 16b, and all who die in infancy are lost eternally.

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^ The answer to your question is one that Mormons have invented, without having any reason at all for believing that baptism of the dead has any meaning for God.

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The validity of such marriages is proved from the fact that children born of them are legitimate, not spurious. .As far as the term "sanctified" is concerned, it can, at most, mean that the believing husband or wife may convert the unbelieving party and thus become an occasion of their sanctification.^ The unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife...by the husband; else were your children unclean; but now are they holy).

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^ The sons of believers, however, may grow up unbelievers, even atheists, and thus the Church, the bride of Christ, come to be made up in part, possibly the greater part, of the unregenerate, perhaps the immoral.

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A certain statement in the funeral oration of St. Ambrose over the Emperor Valentinian II has been brought forward as a proof that the Church offered sacrifices and prayers for catechumens who died before baptism. .There is not a vestige of such a custom to be found anywhere.^ Whether Christian baptism be founded on a specific command of Christ or not (see above, I, 1), there is no doubt that it soon became a universal Christian custom.

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^ There is found in Scripture no instance of the baptism of as unconscious infant nor will a fair exegesis discover in any text the remotest reference to such a usage.

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St. Ambrose may have done so for the soul of the catechumen Valentinian, but this would be a solitary instance, and it was done apparently because he believed that the emperor had had the baptism of desire. The practice of the Church is more correctly shown in the canon (xvii) of the Second Council of Braga: "Neither the commemoration of Sacrifice [oblationis] nor the service of chanting [psallendi] is to be employed for catechumens who have died without the redemption of baptism." The arguments for a contrary usage sought in the Second Council of Arles (c. xii) and the Fourth Council of Carthage (c. .Ixxix) are not to the point, for these councils speak, not of catechumens, but of penitents who had died suddenly before their expiation was completed.^ The question as to what rites were used in these provinces before the Roman can not be answered completely, but some important points may be set down.

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^ These texts are offered here to prove, as before said, that the lesser officers in the church of God were called according to a fixed law pointing out their qualifications.

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It is true that some Catholic writers (as Cajetan, Durandus, Biel, Gerson, Toletus, Klee) have held that infants may be saved by an act of desire on the part of their parents, which is applied to them by some external sign, such as prayer or the invocation of the Holy Trinity; but Pius V, by expunging this opinion, as expressed by Cajetan, from that author's commentary on St. Thomas, manifested his judgment that such a theory was not agreeable to the Church's belief.

X. SUBSTITUTES FOR THE SACRAMENT

.The Fathers and theologians frequently divide baptism into three kinds: the baptism of water (aquæ or fluminis), the baptism of desire (flaminis), and the baptism of blood (sanguinis).^ The Church says it reads in the Bible that Christ taught that baptism must be done by washing the candidate in water and saying, "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".

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^ In the Didache or The Doctrine of the Twelve Apostles (100 A.D.), there is a description of Baptism by pouring the water three times on the head, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

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.However, only the first is a real sacrament.^ In reality, the Word is everything in the sacrament, immersion in the water is only the seal which confirms the Word and makes it fully certain.

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.The latter two are denominated baptism only analogically, inasmuch as they supply the principal effect of baptism, namely, the grace which remits sins.^ As this doctrine (buried by water baptism) stands, it is based on two passages of Scripture which omit not only the word water, but also all related expressions which could have suggested water baptism to a Jew!

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^ Baptism remits, not only original sin, but also all the sins we might have committed, and pardons all the eternal and temporal punishment due to them.

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^ The principal effects of baptism are: It takes away original sin and all actual sins, together with all the punishment due to them.

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.It is the teaching of the Catholic Church that when the baptism of water becomes a physical or moral impossibility, eternal life may be obtained by the baptism of desire or the baptism of blood.^ May all who are buried with Christ in the death of Baptism rise also with him to newness of life.

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^ When non-Catholics are converted into the Catholic Church and their sect has no baptism or uses an invalid form, the converts must be given Baptism absolutely.

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^ Among other things, Paul Vl reaffirmed the centuries-old teaching of the Church on infant baptism: "Baptism should be conferred even on infants who are yet unable to commit any sin personally, in order that, having been born without supernatural grace, they may be born again of water and the Holy Spirit to divine life in Christ Jesus."

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(1) The Baptism of Desire

.The baptism of desire (baptismus flaminis) is a perfect contrition of heart, and every act of perfect charity or pure love of God which contains, at least implicitly, a desire (votum) of baptism.^ In the final analysis, Baptism of Desire is the way of charity or the love of God.

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^ An unbaptized person receives the Baptism of Desire when he loves God above all things and desires to do all that is necessary for his salvation.

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^ And so, this person desires, implicitly or explicitly , to be baptized, since this is the ordinary way of salvation set down by God's providence."

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.The Latin word flamen is used because Flamen is a name for the Holy Ghost, Whose special office it is to move the heart to love God and to conceive penitence for sin.^ For the theologians of the orthodox period, on the other hand, the Word of God was simply the Bible, and the sacrament a constituent part of the Word because it represents a scriptural institution.

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^ And the fulfillment of these demands is an act of loving obedience to the person of Jesus Christ the Incarnate Word of God.

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^ It does not even stop babies being born carrying sin and needing baptism because of the natural inclination to defy God and get qualified and in danger of Hell.

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.The "baptism of the Holy Ghost" is a term employed in the third century by the anonymous author of the book "De Rebaptismate". The efficacy of this baptism of desire to supply the place of the baptism of water, as to its principal effect, is proved from the words of Christ.^ And a washing of a baby who can't consent joins the baby to Christ and the Church as long as the right words are used and so the baptism is real.

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^ Such a term obviously lay close at hand for application to the Jewish ceremonial lustrations, in which, not the mode, but the effect of the application of the water receives the stress.

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^ Through baptism, Christians are brought into union with Christ, with each other and with the Church of every time and place.

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.After He had declared the necessity of baptism (John, iii), He promised justifying grace for acts of charity or perfect contrition (John, xiv): "He that loveth Me, shall be loved of my Father: and I will love him and will manifest myself to him."^ Jesus promised.that whoever loves him will be loved by the Father (JOHN 14:21).

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^ And he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and manifest (make known) myself unto him."

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^ My mother went through the temple marriage ceremony and had to promise to let my father or church elders gut her with an Oxen horn if she strayed from "The Church".

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.And again: "If any one love me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him, and will make our abode with him."^ "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him.

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^ May she be one with him (her) in thanking him for ever in heaven, in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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^ Neither pray I for these (my disciples) alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word, that they may be one, as thou, Father, art in me as I in thee, that they also may be one in us, that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

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.Since these texts declare that justifying grace is bestowed on account of acts of perfect charity or contrition, it is evident that these acts supply the place of baptism as to its principal effect, the remission of sins.^ The principal effects of baptism are: It takes away original sin and all actual sins, together with all the punishment due to them.

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^ Both types agree in placing the act of reception of catechumens and the last exorcism before baptism, and the reading of the Scriptures comes before the actual baptism.

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^ But, when the passage is investigated, it is found that his motive is not the impropriety, but the inexpediency of infant baptism, on the ground that it involved the great risk of forfeiting forever the remission of sins in the case of relapse.

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This doctrine is set forth clearly by the Council of Trent. In the fourteenth session (cap. iv) the council teaches that contrition is sometimes perfected by charity, and reconciles man to God, before the Sacrament of Penance is received. .In the fourth chapter of the sixth session, in speaking of the necessity of baptism, it says that men can not obtain original justice "except by the washing of regeneration or its desire" (voto).^ To baptise a baby is to say, "Baptism took my original sin away and I want you to be like me."

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.The same doctrine is taught by Pope Innocent III (cap.^ "According to the order of Innocent III, there are three several methods of electing a pope, viz.: By scrutiny, compromise and inspiration.

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Debitum, iv, De Bapt.), and the contrary propositions are condemned by Popes Pius V and Gregory XII, in proscribing the 31st and 33rd propositions of Baius.

We have already alluded to the funeral oration pronounced by St. Ambrose over the Emperor Valentinian II, a catechumen. .The doctrine of the baptism of desire is here clearly set forth.^ The burial in water is the only distinctively Christian baptism, for it alone sets forth the death and resurrection of our Lord, which is the central fact of the Christian system.

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St. Ambrose asks: "Did he not obtain the grace which he desired? Did he not obtain what he asked for? Certainly he obtained it because he asked for it." St. Augustine (IV, De Bapt., xxii) and St. Bernard (Ep. Ixxvii, ad H. de S. Victore) likewise discourse in the same sense concerning the baptism of desire. .If it be said that this doctrine contradicts the universal law of baptism made by Christ (John, iii), the answer is that the lawgiver has made an exception (John, xiv) in favor of those who have the baptism of desire.^ And a washing of a baby who can't consent joins the baby to Christ and the Church as long as the right words are used and so the baptism is real.

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^ But those who disregarded John's teachings had no such manifestation.

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^ Some among those who recognize that it is practically an empty form are in favor of abolishing it altogether, while others would have it reformed and made once more a living reality.

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.Neither would it be a consequence of this doctrine that a person justified by the baptism of desire would thereby be dispensed from seeking after the baptism of water when the latter became a possibility.^ An unbaptized person receives the Baptism of Desire when he loves God above all things and desires to do all that is necessary for his salvation.

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^ "Baptism of water"- is the ordinary means of Baptism, but there are two extraordinary means by which the remission of sin and the attainment of eternal salvation are possible.

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^ No self-respecting or baby-respecting person would have anything to do with the baptism of a child.

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For, as has already been explained the baptismus flaminis contains the votum of receiving the baptismus aquæ. .It is true that some of the Fathers of the Church arraign severely those who content themselves with the desire of receiving the sacrament of regeneration, but they are speaking of catechumens who of their own accord delay the reception of baptism from unpraiseworthy motives.^ Those who through no fault of their own, have not received the sacrament of Baptism can be saved through what is called Baptism of Blood or Baptism of Desire.

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^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

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^ Since baptism is intimately connected with the corporate life and worship of the Church, it should normally be administered during public worship, so that the members of the congregation may be reminded of their own baptism and may welcome into their fellowship those who are baptized and whom they are committed to nurture in the Christian faith.

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Finally, it is to be noted that only adults are capable of receiving the baptism of desire.

(2) The Baptism of Blood

.The baptism of blood (baptismus sanquinis) is the obtaining of the grace of justification by suffering martyrdom for the faith of Christ.^ An unbaptized person receives the Baptism of Blood when he suffers martyrdom for the faith.

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^ Proxi baptism is just a ritual that represents a covenant with Christ in the LDS faith - it doesn't guarantee anything.

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^ 'Why bother the non-Christians by leading them to Baptism and faith in Christ?', some have even dared to ask.

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.The term "washing of blood" (lavacrum sanguinis) is used by Tertullian (De Bapt., xvi) to distinguish this species of regeneration from the "washing of water" (lavacrum aquæ).^ Whatever may have been the primitive meaning of the term which was adopted to designate it, and however the rite was customarily administered in the first days of its use, the thing is a washing with water for the sake of cleansing to symbolize the cleansing of the sinner by the blood of Jesus Christ.

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."We have a second washing", he says "which is one and the same [with the first], namely the washing of blood."^ The Church says it reads in the Bible that Christ taught that baptism must be done by washing the candidate in water and saying, "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".

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^ Mosheim says: ''Immersion only was used in the first and second centuries."

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^ First you say they want to be the same, then you say they want to be different.

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St. Cyprian (Ep. lxxiii) speaks of ."the most glorious and greatest baptism of blood" (sanguinis baptismus).^ Now the greatest, grandest and most glorious point in the claims of Jesus of Nazareth is, and was, that he was called by the voice of God, and anointed under his hand.

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St. Augustine (De Civ. Dei, XIII, vii) says: "When any die for the confession of Christ without having received the washing of regeneration, it avails as much for the remission of their sins as if they had been washed in the sacred font of baptism." The Church grounds her belief in the efficacy of the baptism of blood on the fact that Christ makes a general statement of the saving power of martyrdom in the tenth chapter of St. Matthew: "Every one therefore that shall confess me before men, I will also confess him before my Father who is in heaven" (v. .32); and: "He that shall lose his life for me shall find it" (v.^ Our Lord promised: "He that shall lose his life for me, shall find it."

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39). .It is pointed out that these texts are so broadly worded as to include even infants, especially the latter text.^ Peter in virtue of his ordination was a seer, had the gift of prophecy, and some of them point very forcibly to this generation, mind are especially fulfilling in these days.

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^ These texts are offered here to prove, as before said, that the lesser officers in the church of God were called according to a fixed law pointing out their qualifications.

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^ And by these have the word of God been correctly taught among the children of men, and the gifts of the gospel promised by the Saviour to all true believers, have been poured out and enjoyed by them.

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.That the former text also applies to them, has been constantly maintained by the Fathers, who declare that if infants can not confess Christ with the mouth, they can by act.^ I carry some emotional baggage around this, as a descendant of Irish Catholics who risked their lives to follow Christ as they knew Christ.

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^ Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ are powerful because they know all things, they know all laws, and they obey them, and all things (matter and energy) are subject them them.

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^ A religion that declares people who have undergone some ritual are members even if they don't believe and no matter what they do is not even loyal to itself.

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Tertullian (Adv. .Valent., ii) speaks of the infants slaughtered by Herod as martyrs, and this has been the constant teaching of the Church.^ He also speaks of infant baptism as a " custom of the Church" ( Hom., on Lev.

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.Another evidence of the mind of the Church as to the efficacy of the baptism of blood is found in the fact that she never prays for martyrs.^ The failure of the Church to provide any evidence that baptism does any supernatural good shows that baptism is a very manipulative and cheating contract.

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^ In fact, a lot of information about the LDS church can be found there; I would recommend it as a resource for anyone who wants to learn about Mormons.

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Her opinion is well voiced by St. Augustine (Tr. lxxiv in Joan.): "He does an injury to a martyr who prays for him." .This shows that martyrdom is believed to remit all sin and all punishment due to sin.^ If an adult receives Baptism with the proper dispositions - with faith and at least attrition (sorrow for sins because of fear of punishment) - all his actual or personal sins and their punishment are pardoned by the Sacrament.

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^ The principal effects of baptism are: It takes away original sin and all actual sins, together with all the punishment due to them.

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^ Baptism remits, not only original sin, but also all the sins we might have committed, and pardons all the eternal and temporal punishment due to them.

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.Later theologians commonly maintain that the baptism of blood justifies adult martyrs independently of an act of charity or perfect contrition, and, as it were, ex opere operato, though, of course, they must have attrition for past sins.^ They dwell on these things, and of course have experimented with the answer through plural marriage in the past, and in eternal sealing marriage ceremonies.

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^ Of course every reasonable man must answer that the baptism of John must have been by direct command from God and not an invention of man, when he looks at the fact that John was "a mighty prophet" and that "God sent him directly to preach the gospel and to baptize for the remission of sins."

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^ If matter and form axe properly connected, the sacrament produces its effects ex opere operato.

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.The reason is that if perfect charity, or contrition, were required in martyrdom, the distinction between the baptism of blood and the baptism of desire would be a useless one.^ In the final analysis, Baptism of Desire is the way of charity or the love of God.

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^ We would create such a useless rite such as baptism.

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^ The reason lies in the fact that only Baptism can remit original sin, and no one with the taint of sin - original or mortal - can enter into heaven, God's holy home.

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.Moreover, as it must be conceded that infant martyrs are justified without an act of charity, of which they are incapable, there is no solid reason for denying the same privilege to adults.^ There are no sensible or rational reasons.

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^ This is the classic circular reasoning used by all religionists who can't accept that other people don't have the same views as they do.

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^ And so, it is a way open only to those who have reached the use of reason, because only these are capable of making an act of charity.

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(Cf. Suarez, De Bapt., disp. xxxix.)

XI. UNBAPTIZED INFANTS

.The fate of infants who die without baptism must be briefly considered here.^ Infants who die without Baptism cannot go to heaven.

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^ For reasons which are beyond the scope of this basic catechetical work, we have heard that in some places an abuse has been introduced by some priests who purposely delay the Baptism of infants.

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^ The usual argument against infant baptism, often borrowed from some of our separated Christian brethren (e.g., the Baptists) who deny the validity of infant Baptism, is as follows: .

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.The Catholic teaching is uncompromising on this point, that all who depart this life without baptism, be it of water, or blood, or desire, are perpetually excluded from the vision of God.^ Unless a man be born again of water and the spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God ”, does not imply infant baptism because of the spirit bit and you have to personally respond to the spirit as a person who knows what is happening.

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^ The Church teaches that the teaching authority of the priests and bishops who are one in heart and communion with Rome must be heeded and obeyed by all who are baptised.

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^ (Acts 7:54 to 58) And the testimony of all the apostles who have spoken of Jesus' ascent into heaven is that he sits with God on his throne, at his RIGHT HAND. .

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This teaching is grounded, as we have seen, on Scripture and tradition, and the decrees of the Church. .Moreover, that those who die in original sin, without ever having contracted any actual sin, are deprived of the happiness of heaven is stated explicitly in the Confession of Faith of the Eastern Emperor Michael Palæologus, which had been proposed to him by Pope Clement IV in 1267, and which he accepted in the presence of Gregory X at the Second Council of Lyons in 1274. The same doctrine is found also in the Decree of Union of the Greeks, in the Bull "Lætentur Caeli" of Pope Eugene IV, in the Profession of Faith prescribed for the Greeks by Pope Gregory XIII, and in that authorized for the Orientals by Urban VIII and Benedict XIV. Many Catholic theologians have declared that infants dying without baptism are excluded from the beatific vision; but as to the exact state of these souls in the next world they are not agreed.^ Infants who die without Baptism cannot go to heaven.

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^ Without the proof, baptism then is really for KEEPING a child in original sin.

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^ Infants only have original sin.

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.In speaking of souls who have failed to attain salvation, these theologians distinguish the pain of loss (paena damni), or privation of the beatific vision, and the pain of sense (paena sensus).^ Very well, then, did those who rejected this counsel of God against themselves, obtain salvation to their souls?

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.Though these theologians have thought it certain that unbaptized infants must endure the pain of loss, they have not been similarly certain that they are subject to the pain of sense.^ The godparent must be designated by the one about to be baptized (in adult Baptism), or by the subject's parents (in infant Baptism), or by those who are taking the place of the parents.

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^ Considered in itself, the gift of these blessings to infants must not be delayed.

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^ Heck, I can even understand folks who feel that they must kill abortion doctors, if they genuinely feel that these are serial murderers.

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St. Augustine (De Pecc. et .Mer., I, xvi) held that they would not be exempt from the pain of sense, but at the same time he thought it would be of the mildest form.^ There would be no sacrament at all, even if he were at that time bereft of his senses.

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^ It would make more sense if the Church held that babies should not be baptised and that if they die they will grow up and have to make the same choice between Heaven and Hell as the rest of us.

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^ Then when they knock on the door of a gay househould, it would save everyone alot of time and trouble.

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On the other hand, St. Gregory Nazianzen (Or. in S. Bapt.) expresses the belief that such infants would suffer only the pain of loss. Sfondrati (Nod. .Prædest., I, i) declares that while they are certainly excluded from heaven, yet they are not deprived of natural happiness.^ Based on that, they also believe that every good, honest person who has ever lived will be in "heaven"--a place far better and with greater happiness than on this earth.

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^ Nature declared them as unsuitable substitutes because they cannot serve the function within marriage."

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^ Nature declared them as unsuitable substitutes because they cannot serve the function withing marriage.

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.This opinion seemed so objectionable to some French bishops that they asked the judgment of the Holy See upon the matter.^ They start to depend on the example and opinions and influence of their segment of society and environment and take on some of that identity.

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^ I can see it's useless to get Mormons to understand what they are doing or why it matters.

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^ A religion that declares people who have undergone some ritual are members even if they don't believe and no matter what they do is not even loyal to itself.

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.Pope Innocent XI replied that he would have the opinion examined into by a commission of theologians, but no sentence seems ever to have been passed upon it.^ There is no need to be afraid to invite them into your home; they would not hurt a fly; in fact, they are usually very nice, even charming.

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^ If only they would go back into the closet and shut up, then there would be no problem.

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Since the twelfth century, the opinion of the majority of theologians has been that unbaptized infants are immune from all pain of sense. This was taught by St. Thomas Aquinas, Scotus, St. Bonaventure, Peter Lombard, and others, and is now the common teaching in the schools. It accords with the wording of a decree of Pope Innocent III (III Decr., xlii, 3): "The punishment of original sin is the deprivation of the vision of God; of actual sin, the eternal pains of hell." Infants, of course, can not be guilty of actual sin.

.Other theologians have urged that, under the law of nature and the Mosaic dispensation, children could be saved by the act of their parents and that consequently the same should be even more easy of attainment under the law of grace, because the power of faith has not been diminished but increased.^ According to St Thomas Aquinas in the Summa 3 q 68, 10 ad 2, children should not be baptised without the consent of the parents for the parents have immediate authority over them.

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^ If you require the rich to give money to the poor, be harder on yourself and give even more than what you require of others.

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^ Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ are powerful because they know all things, they know all laws, and they obey them, and all things (matter and energy) are subject them them.

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.Common objections to this theory include the fact that infants are not said to be deprived of justification in the New Law through any decrease in the power of faith, but because of the promulgation by Christ of the precept of baptism which did not exist before the New Dispensation.^ May all who are buried with Christ in the death of Baptism rise also with him to newness of life.

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^ The child is given the name of a saint at Baptism because it symbolizes newness of life in Christ and incorporation into the Christian community.

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^ Concerning Adult Baptism the new Code of Canon Law provides several dispositions of which we will point out some of the more relevant canons: .

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.Nor would this make the case of infants worse than it was before the Christian Church was instituted.^ Rather than making suggestions about different forms of spirituality that might work for them the Church seeks to control spirituality.

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^ And it gets worse when the incoherent Christians then start bleating, "We are a Church of sinners.

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^ In an adult Baptism , to support him or her during the rite of Christian initiation; In the case of infant Baptism, to present along with the parents, the infant candidate.

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While it works a hardship for some, it has undoubtedly improved the condition of most. .Supernatural faith is now much more diffused than it was before the coming of Christ, and more infants are now saved by baptism than were justified formerly by the active faith of their parents.^ It says the faith comes before the child.

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^ Baptism is a lot more than that.

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^ Parents, on the other hand, cannot make this Baptism of Desire on behalf of their infant children.

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.Moreover, baptism can more readily be applied to infants than the rite of circumcision, and by the ancient law this ceremony had to be deferred till the eighth day after birth, while baptism can be bestowed upon infants immediately after they are born, and in case of necessity even in their mother's womb.^ Baptism is a lot more than that.

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^ Doctors, nurses, and others assisting at the birth of an infant are the ones who are most often called upon to save the eternal life of an innocent human being.

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^ It does not even stop babies being born carrying sin and needing baptism because of the natural inclination to defy God and get qualified and in danger of Hell.

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.Finally it must be borne in mind that unbaptized infants, if deprived of heaven, would not be deprived unjustly.^ If not, we would be guilty of thinking that God had deprived infants of every means of salvation.

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^ When we stated in the previous question that unbaptized infants (that is, below the age of reason) cannot go to heaven, we are not implying that they either go to hell or purgatory.

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^ Therefore they must have the Baptism of Water, and if this is not given them, they die unbaptized through no fault of theirs and can never go to heaven.

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.The vision of God is not something to which human beings have a natural claim.^ It does not even stop babies being born carrying sin and needing baptism because of the natural inclination to defy God and get qualified and in danger of Hell.

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^ I doubt the proof of God, that “he” must simply “be.” And I doubt the simple-minded concept of God, as a superior, human-like being.

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^ Indeed, moral values are essential to the life of all human beings as free agents created in the image and likeness of God, and destined to a higher creation.

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.It is a free gift of the Creator who can make what conditions He chooses for imparting it or withholding it.^ The bias towards sin would lead us to create an ineffective cure that would make us falsely claim to be free from original sin.

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No injustice is involved when an undue privilege is not conferred upon a person. .Original sin deprived the human race of an unearned right to heaven.^ Either way there is an element of abuse in deciding to have your child baptised if Christianity is right about the effects of original sin.

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.Through the Divine mercy this bar to the enjoyment of God is removed by baptism; but if baptism be not conferred, original sin remains, and the unregenerated soul, having no claim on heaven, is not unjustly excluded from it.^ To baptise a baby is to say, "Baptism took my original sin away and I want you to be like me."

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^ Clearly the Roman Catholic Church has no right to claim that a child is a member of the Roman Catholic Church by baptism.

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^ The bias towards sin would lead us to create an ineffective cure that would make us falsely claim to be free from original sin.

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As to the question, whether in addition to freedom from the pain of sense, unbaptized infants enjoy any positive happiness in the next world, theologians are not agreed, nor is there any pronouncement of the Church on the subject, Many, following St. Thomas (De Malo, Q. v, a. .3), declare that these infants are not saddened by the loss of the beatific vision, either because they have no knowledge of it, and hence are not sensible of their privation; or because, knowing it their will is entirely conformed to God's will and they are conscious that they have missed an undue privilege through no fault of their own.^ To stress the absolute necessity of Baptism for salvation (enjoyment of the Beatific Vision) is particularly important in these times due to the excessive tendency which now prevails for people to go their own way, or to do their own thing in matters of religion.

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^ "Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience-those too may achieve eternal salvation: Nor shall Divine Providence deny the assistance necessary for salvation to those who, without any fault of theirs, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God, and who, not without grace, strive to lead a good life."

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^ They know this person better than anyone else and it is their decision and no one has the right to question that.

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.In addition to this freedom from regret at the loss of heaven, these infants may also enjoy some positive happiness.^ Many instances have proven that an undelivered infant may be alive some time after the mother's death.

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^ Although in Limbo infants enjoy complete natural happiness for all eternity, such happiness cannot be compared to the perfection of bliss they would have enjoyed if they had been baptized and had gone to behold God face to face in Heaven.

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^ This doctrine that an unbaptized infant can never enter heaven and live with God may at first sight seem extremely harsh and cruel.

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St. Thomas (In II Sent., dist. XXXIII, Q. ii, a. .5) says: "Although unbaptized infants are separated from God as far as glory is concerned, yet they are not separated from Him entirely.^ We might say that although they do not visibly belong to the Mystical Body of Christ (the Church), they belong to the Soul of that Mystical Body.

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^ Perhaps they do not yet have this aspect of God worked out enough to write it down and tell it.

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.Rather are they joined to Him by a participation of natural goods; and so they may even rejoice in Him by natural consideration and love," Again (a.^ They may even say that wanting to be right is a sign of being bigoted and or arrogant.

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^ This bothers the Church even though Mormons believe the dead person must accept the baptism done for her or him for it to be any good!

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^ Jesus Christ told his hearers that if they greet only their brothers there is no good in that for even the pagans do the same (Matthew 5:45-46).

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.2) he says: "They will rejoice in this, that they will share largely in the divine goodness and in natural perfections."^ It suggests that anybody who does good to develop a faith that isn't Catholic is being insincere if they say their goodness showed them this non-Catholic faith was true.

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^ Basically, it is a political statement to other religions, saying that they are not as good as Mormons.

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^ Parents by having their babies baptised are saying that the religion they are entering the children in is good and therefore the children should be raised as believers in whatever that religion teaches and raised to practice what it practices.

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.While the opinion, then, that unbaptized infants may enjoy a natural knowledge and love of God and rejoice in it, is perfectly tenable, it has not the certainty that would arise from a unanimous consent of the Fathers of the Church, or from a favorable pronouncement of ecclesiastical authority.^ No sane person would be capable of wanting their child to love God and not care about being loved.

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^ God cannot love unconditionally and such love would be hypocrisy.

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^ Father, look now with love upon your Church, and unseal for her the fountain of Baptism.

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[Editor's note: .On this subject, the 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them.^ We become members of the Church and children of God.

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^ To honour the God who is the creation of the Catholic Church is really to honour the invention of the Church and to honour the Church.

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^ Infants who die without Baptism cannot go to heaven.

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.Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allows us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism.^ In the final analysis, Baptism of Desire is the way of charity or the love of God.

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^ Paul also put it this way: 'God our Savior, who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

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^ May he send his peace upon all who are gathered here, in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism."]

.We may add here some brief remarks on the discipline of the Church in regard to unbaptized persons.^ I made the point several times, that this guy, Dr. Rock, is an agent of the Mormon Church, sent here to do some damage control in the Mormon Church's promotion of Prop 8.

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^ Rock is not a zealot; he is an agent of the Mormon Church sent here to do a little damage control, and a not very good job, I mgiht add.

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^ In the same way, an unbaptized person being martyred for the Christian faith or some Christian virtue must be baptized by water if he survives.

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.As baptism is the door of the Church, the unbaptized are entirely without its pale.^ So when Jesus baptises without regard to the parent's feelings how can the Church believe that such baptism is wrong?

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As a consequence:

Such persons, by the ordinary law of the Church, may not receive Catholic funeral rites.
^ U.S. election law is very clear that churches may not endorse candidates, but may support issues.
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^ After having received instruction in the doctrines, practices, and laws of the Catholic Church, the convert is taken to church to make his Formal Abjuration and Solemn Profession of the Catholic Faith.
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The reason of this regulation is given by Pope Innocent III (Decr., III, XXVIII, xii): "It has been decreed by the sacred canons that we are to have no communion with those who are dead, if we have not communicated with them while alive." According to Canon Law (CIC 1183), however, catechumens "are to be considered members of the Christian faithful" as regard funeral rites. The Plenary Council of Baltimore also decrees (No. 389) that the custom of burying the unbaptized relatives of Catholics in the family sepulchers may be tolerated. [Editor's note: .The 1983 Code of Canon Law excepts an unbaptized child of Catholic parents, if the parents had intended to have him baptized.]
A Catholic may not marry an unbaptized person without dispensation, under pain of nullity.
^ The same Canon 857 also states that, as a rule, an adult is baptized in his own parish, and an infant in the parish of his parents, unless a just cause recommends otherwise.
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^ A baptized person who is a member of a non-Catholic community, is not to be admitted except with a Catholic godparent, and then only as a witness of the Baptism.
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^ If after she has talked to him he still intends to baptize her, it would be best for her or another family member to inform the church that she does not wish to be baptized.
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.This impediment, as far as illiceity is concerned, is derived from the natural law, because in such unions the Catholic party and the offspring of the marriage would, in most cases, be exposed to the loss of faith.
^ Homosexuals are incapable by nature of fulfilling the natural roles that function within the institution of marriage – because the institution of marriage IS, husband-wife-mother-father by design.
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^ "Mormons wish that gays, lesbians, and gay activists would return to the reality of what marriage IS - the social structure for heterosexual unions and for them to be husbands, wives, fathers, and mothers."
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^ Nature declared them as unsuitable substitutes because they cannot serve the function within marriage.
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The invalidity of such marriage, however, is a consequence only of positive law. .For, in the beginning of Christianity, unions between the baptized and unbaptized were frequent, and they were certainly held valid.
^ They are trying to mimic the union that exists between a man and a woman.
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^ They are trying to mimic the union that exists between a man and a woman."
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^ As I understand it, the 1995 agreement between the Church and the Holocaust group was that Holocaust victims would not be posthumously baptized unless they had living descendants who are Mormons.
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.When, then, circumstances arise where the danger of perversion for the Catholic party is removed, the Church dispenses in her law of prohibition, but always requires guarantees from the non-Catholic party that there will be no interference with the spiritual rights of the partner of the union.
^ When non-Catholics are converted into the Catholic Church and their sect has no baptism or uses an invalid form, the converts must be given Baptism absolutely.
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^ When we say, "Outside the Church there is no salvation," we mean that Christ made the Catholic Church a necessary means of salvation and commanded all to enter it, so that a person must be connected with the Church in some way to be saved.
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^ If marriage was the big sanctified deal you think it is, there would be no divorce (and there's plenty in your church, btw).
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(See IMPEDIMENTS OF MATRIMONY.)

.In general, we may state that the Church claims no authority over unbaptized persons, as they are entirely without her pale.^ They know this person better than anyone else and it is their decision and no one has the right to question that.

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^ Clearly the Roman Catholic Church has no right to claim that a child is a member of the Roman Catholic Church by baptism.

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^ Religious people only accept reasonable beliefs when those beliefs are taught by their God or Church or Bible - they accept them because of authority and not because they are reasonable.

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.She makes laws concerning them only in so far as they hold relations with the subjects of the Church.^ Of course some of my impressions may be wrong; I did not make an intenseive study of the Mormon Church or anything; I only know about them what they, themselves, have tossed my way.

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^ Religious people only accept reasonable beliefs when those beliefs are taught by their God or Church or Bible - they accept them because of authority and not because they are reasonable.

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^ Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ are powerful because they know all things, they know all laws, and they obey them, and all things (matter and energy) are subject them them.

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XII. EFFECTS OF BAPTISM

.This sacrament is the door of the Church of Christ and the entrance into a new life.^ It incorporates us into Christ and his Church.

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^ May all who are buried with Christ in the death of Baptism rise also with him to newness of life.

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^ They made it, according to the wish of Christ, the first condition of entry into the Church.

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.We are reborn from the state of slaves of sin into the freedom of the Sons of God.^ How do you know that baptism isn't putting a demon into the child and that Jesus was the Son of God and not the first-born of Satan who empowered the rite to do that?

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^ The Church says that original sin is the state of being hostile to God from the first moment of your existence and this hostility is inherited from Adam who rebelled against God.

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^ If you mean to put a baby into the authority of the Father, Son and Spirit which is what baptism is about, you mean to put the baptismal candidate into the family of God.

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.Baptism incorporates us with Christ's mystical body and makes us partakers of all the privileges flowing from the redemptive act of the Church's Divine Founder.^ By Baptism we are incorporated into Christ's Mystical Body.

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^ It incorporates us into Christ and his Church.

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^ May all who are buried with Christ in the death of Baptism rise also with him to newness of life.

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.We shall now outline the principal effects of baptism.^ The principal effects of baptism are: It takes away original sin and all actual sins, together with all the punishment due to them.

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^ What Are The Principal Effects Of Baptism?

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(1) The Remission of All Sin, Original and Actual

This is clearly contained in the Bible. .Thus we read (Acts 2:38): "Be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins; and you shall receive the Holy Ghost.^ Reject sin; profess your faith in Christ Jesus.

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^ You have asked to have your child baptized.

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^ Peter answered: "Do penance, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins."

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For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, whomsoever the Lord our God shall call." We read also in the twenty-second chapter of the Acts of the Apostles (v. .16): "Be baptized, and wash away thy sins."^ The Catholic Church says that baptism washes away original sin which is why it baptises infants.

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St. Paul in the fifth chapter of his Epistle to the Ephesians beautifully represents the whole Church as being baptized and purified (v. 25 sq.): "Christ loved the Church, and delivered Himself up for it: that he might sanctify it, cleansing it by the washing of water in the word of life: that he might present it to Himself a glorious Church, not having spot or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." The prophecy of Ezechiel (xxxvi, 25) has also been understood of baptism: "I will pour upon you clean water, and you shall be cleansed from all your filthiness (inquinamentis), where the prophet is unquestionably speaking of moral defilements. This is also the solemn teaching of the Church. In the profession of faith prescribed by Pope Innocent III for the Waldensians in 1210, we read: We believe that all sins are remitted in baptism, both original sin and those sins which have been voluntarily committed." The Council of Trent (Sess. V., can. v) .anathematizes whomsoever denies that the grace of Christ which is conferred in baptism does not remit the guilt of original sin; or asserts that everything which can truly and properly be called sin is not thereby taken away.^ Original sin does not exist.

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^ This is called original sin.

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^ This sin in us is called original sin.

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The same is taught by the Fathers. St. Justin Martyr (Apol., I, Ixvi) declares that in baptism we are created anew, that is, consequently, free from all stain of sin. St. Ambrose (De Myst., iii) says of baptism: "This is the water in which the flesh is submerged that all carnal sin may be washed away. Every transgression is there buried." Tertullian (De Bapt., vii) writes: "Baptism is a carnal act in as much as we are submerged in the water; but the effect is spiritual, for we are freed from our sins." The words of Origen (In Gen., xiii) are classic: "If you transgress, you write unto yourself the handwriting [chirographum] of sin. But, behold, when you have once approached to the cross of Christ and to the grace of baptism, your handwriting is affixed to the cross and blotted out in the font of baptism." It is needless to multiply testimonies from the early ages of the Church. It is a point on which the Fathers are unanimous, and telling quotations might also be made from St. Cyprian, Clement of Alexandria, St. Hilary, St. Cyril of Jerusalem, St. Basil, St. Gregory Nazianzen, and others.

(2) Remission of Temporal Punishment

.Baptism not only washes away sin, it also remits the punishment of sin.^ To baptise a baby is to say, "Baptism took my original sin away and I want you to be like me."

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^ It accuses the child of being evil and unfit for God’s presence so baptism is necessary to wash away this evil.

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^ The reason lies in the fact that only Baptism can remit original sin, and no one with the taint of sin - original or mortal - can enter into heaven, God's holy home.

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This was the plain teaching of the primitive Church. .We read in Clement of Alexandria (Pædagog., i) of baptism: "It is called a washing because we are washed from our sins: it is called grace, because by it the punishments which are due to sin are remitted."^ The Church says it reads in the Bible that Christ taught that baptism must be done by washing the candidate in water and saying, "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".

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^ It does not even stop babies being born carrying sin and needing baptism because of the natural inclination to defy God and get qualified and in danger of Hell.

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^ The Church gives dogmatic reasons, "Oh Jesus died to get help from God for us for our sins and that help is given out in baptism".

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St. Jerome (Ep. Ixix) writes: "After the pardon (indulgentiam) of baptism, the severity of the Judge is not to be feared." And St. Augustine (De Pecc. et .Mer., II, xxviii) says plainly: "If immediately [after baptism] there follows the departure from this life, there will be absolutely nothing that a man must answer for [quod obnoxium hominem teneat], for he will have been freed from everything that bound him."^ The Church says it reads in the Bible that Christ taught that baptism must be done by washing the candidate in water and saying, "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".

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^ We must prepare the child for a merciful judgment and saying nothing means the child could grow up to die estranged from God and sentenced to everlasting torment .

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^ It is saying, "I am so good that I must have been cleansed of the evil that is in human beings - translation, baptism works for I am better than others even those who seem to be good."

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In perfect accord with the early doctrine, the Florentine decree states: "No satisfaction is to be enjoined upon the baptized for past sins; and if they die before any sin, they will immediately attain to the kingdom of heaven and to the vision of God." In like manner the Council of Trent (Sess. .V) teaches: "There is no cause of damnation in those who have been truly buried with Christ by baptism .^ And a washing of a baby who can't consent joins the baby to Christ and the Church as long as the right words are used and so the baptism is real.

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^ A heretical Christian who teaches the child that God is our friend and sends nobody to Hell and that there is no Hell for God is so forgiving will do no harm to the child.

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^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

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. . Nothing whatever will delay their entrance into heaven."

(3) Infusion of Supernatural Grace, Gifts, and Virtues

Another effect of baptism is the infusion of sanctifying grace and supernatural gifts and virtues. .It is this sanctifying grace which renders men the adopted sons of God and confers the right to heavenly glory.^ To say they need baptism is to imply that God is a right old scrooge with his graces and to imply that children should be entered into a religion with a scary God.

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^ Baptism is the superstition that if you undergo the rite with the right dispositions then you will have spiritual luck from God called grace.

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The doctrine on this subject is found in the seventh chapter on justification in the sixth session of the Council of Trent. Many of the Fathers of the Church also enlarge upon this subject (as St. Cyprian, St. Jerome, Clement of Alexandria, and others), though not in the technical language of later ecclesiastical decrees.

(4) Conferral of the Right to Special Graces

.Theologians likewise teach that baptism gives man the right to those special graces which are necessary for attaining the end for which the sacrament was instituted and for enabling him to fulfill the baptismal promises.^ Nothing, not man or G-d, gives you the right to shove your religion in anyone elses face.

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^ I welcome your coherent defenses that are superior to my own, in support of the LDS practice of poxi baptism, and the Institution of Marriage: the union between a man and woman.

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^ We do not accept that homosexuals have a right to be included into an Institution wherein they are incapable, by nature of fulfilling the function of that institution.

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.This doctrine of the schools, which claims for every sacrament those graces which are peculiar and diverse according to the end and object of the sacrament, was already enunciated by Tertullian (De Resurrect., viii).^ Nearly every religion claims an exclusive understanding about the nature of the afterlife, and none of those understandings should offend non-believers.

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It is treated and developed by St. Thomas Aquinas Pope Eugene IV repeats this doctrine in the decree for the Armenians. .In treating of the grace bestowed by baptism, we presume that the recipient of the sacrament puts no obstacle (obex) in the way of sacramental grace.^ This is because Sacraments are effective signs; that is, they produce directly by their own inherent virtue - and not dependent on the worthiness of the minister or the subjective dispositions of the recipient or subject - the graces which they signify.

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^ At Baptism we are granted sacramental grace which helps us live a truly Christian life.

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^ Christian, who by his spiritual rebirth in Baptism , not only receives the supernatural life but all the means necessary to retain and develop it: the sacramental graces and the right to the other Sacraments.

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.In an infant, of course, this would be impossible, and as a consequence, the infant receives at once all the baptismal grace.^ We are saying that once we get infant baptism stopped it will be easier to stop indoctrination.

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^ If Catholicism is man-made, if Jesus was a fraud, then nobody would object to infant baptism being stopped by a parent who objects to the child being brought to the baptismal font.

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^ It would imply a refusal to recognise that Baptism, in whatever denomination it is properly celebrated, is the sacramental bond of unity among all who receive it.

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It is otherwise in the case of an adult, for in such a one it is necessary that the requisite dispositions of the soul be present. The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, c. vii) states that each one receives grace according to his disposition and co-operation. We are not to confound an obstacle (obex) to the sacrament itself with an obstacle to the sacramental grace. .In the first case, there is implied a defect in the matter or form, or a lack of the requisite intention on the part of minister or recipient, and then the sacrament would be simply null.^ It would, in any event, simply postpone a problem which must be faced when the questions of schooling, First Communion, and so on, arise.

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.But even if all these essential requisites for constituting the sacrament be present, there can still be an obstacle put in the way of the sacramental grace, inasmuch as an adult might receive baptism with improper motives or without real detestation for sin.^ Without the proof, baptism then is really for KEEPING a child in original sin.

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^ Even if there were a God, survival of the fittest might still be the law.

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^ Perhaps it might grow up without the magical power of baptism to keep it from sin and end up going to suffer in Hell forever.

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In that case the person would indeed be validly baptized, but he would not participate in the sacramental grace. .If, however, at a later time he made amends for the past, the obstacle would be removed and he would obtain the grace which he had failed to receive when the sacrament was conferred upon him.^ The Church holds that if you accept the sacrament of confirmation you only receive the powers of the rite and the graces if you are antagonistic to God.

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.In such a case the sacrament is said to revive and there could be no question of rebaptism.^ If that is the case, then there's no need to write anyone's name in any sort of list, is there?

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^ In Mormonism, there is no such thing as magic.

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^ For Mormons there is no such thing as "outside matter."

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(5) Impression of a Character on the Soul

Finally, baptism, once validly conferred, can never be repeated. The Fathers (St. Ambrose, Chrysostom, and others) so understand the words of St. Paul (Heb., vi, 4), and this has been the constant teaching of the Church both Eastern and Western from the earliest times. .On this account, baptism is said to impress an ineffaceable character on the soul, which the Tridentine Fathers call a spiritual and indelible mark.^ Catholicism says that baptism puts an indelible mark on the soul.

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^ Baptism is the superstition that if you undergo the rite with the right dispositions then you will have spiritual luck from God called grace.

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^ To accuse the father of being a nut for opposing the baptism denies the fact that his so-called nuttiness does no harm.

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.That baptism (as well as Confirmation and Holy orders) really does imprint such a character, is defined explicitly by the Council of Trent (Sess.^ No real baptism takes place if such a formula is used.

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^ The Bible itself never says that baptism does that for the baptism it stresses is the baptism in the Holy Spirit.

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^ The Church knows fine well it does no such thing!

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VII, can. ix). St. Cyril (Præp. in Cat.) calls baptism a "holy and indelible seal", and Clement of Alexandria (De Div. Serv., xlii), "the seal of the Lord". St. Augustine compares this character or mark imprinted upon the Christian soul with the character militaris impressed upon soldiers in the imperial service. St. Thomas treats of the nature of this indelible seal, or character, in the Summa Christian antiquity on the effects of baptism. Luther (De Captiv. Bab.) and Calvin (Antid. C. Trid.) held that this sacrament made the baptized certain of the perpetual grace of adoption. .Others declared that the calling to mind of one's baptism would free him from sins committed after it; others again, that transgressions of the Divine law, although sins in themselves, would not be imputed as sins to the baptized person provided he had faith.^ The Christian faith would disappear if baptism made you a member of the Church and what you believed and did made no difference.

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^ The bias towards sin would lead us to create an ineffective cure that would make us falsely claim to be free from original sin.

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^ Marcedward1 said, "Baptizing the dead of other religions into your religion is not only a slap in the face to those people, but it underlies the emptiness of your own faith."

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The decrees of the Council of Trent, drawn up in opposition to the then prevailing errors, bear witness to the many strange and novel theories broached by various exponents of the nascent Protestant theology.

XIII. MINISTER OF THE SACRAMENT

The Church distinguishes between the ordinary and the extraordinary minister of baptism. A distinction is also made as to the mode of administration. .Solemn baptism is that which is conferred with all the rites and ceremonies prescribed by the Church, and private baptism is that which may be administered at any time or place according to the exigencies of necessity.^ ANN HERRING was born on 11 Apr 1825 in Sheffield, was baptised on 5 May 1825 in St. Peter & Paul Church, Sheffield, and was buried on 3 Apr 1827 in All Saints Church, Ecclesall, Sheffield.

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^ This is commonsense when baptism is intended to be the rite that admits one into the Catholic Church.

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^ For the Catholic Church, baptism confers membership and the obligation to stay a member forever.

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.At one time solemn and public baptism was conferred in the Latin Church only during the paschal season and Whitsuntide.^ This is commonsense when baptism is intended to be the rite that admits one into the Catholic Church.

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^ For the Catholic Church, baptism confers membership and the obligation to stay a member forever.

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^ The reason is that baptism in a Catholic Church confers membership in the Catholic Church on the baby and it is a betrayal of this to raise the child in a different faith.

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The Orientals administered it likewise at the Epiphany.

(1) Ordinary Minister

.The ordinary minister of solemn baptism is first the bishop and second the priest.^ And then you go to a sorcerer calling himself a minister or priest or bishop for a spell performed around the baptismal font.

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By delegation, a deacon may confer the sacrament solemnly as an extraordinary minister. Bishops are said to be ordinary ministers because they are the successors of the Apostles who received directly the Divine command: "Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." Priests are also ordinary ministers because by their office and sacred orders they are pastors of souls and administrators of the sacraments, and hence the Florentine decree declares: "The minister of this Sacrament is the priest, to whom it belongs to administer baptism by reason of his office." As, however, bishops are superior to priests by the Divine law, the solemn administration of this sacrament was at one time reserved to the bishops, and a priest never administered this sacrament in the presence of a bishop unless commanded to do so, How ancient this discipline was, may be seen from Tertullian (De Bapt., xvii): "The right to confer baptism belongs to the chief priest who is the bishop, then to priests and deacons, but not without the authorization of the bishop." Ignatius (Ep. ad Smyr., viii): "It is not lawful to baptize or celebrate the agape without the bishop." St. Jerome (Contra Lucif., ix) witnesses to the same usage in his days: "Without chrism and the command of the bishop, neither priest nor deacon has the right of conferring baptism." Deacons are only extraordinary ministers of solemn baptism, as by their office they are assistants to the priestly order. St. Isidore of Seville (De Eccl, Off., ii, 25) says: "It is plain that baptism is to be conferred by priests only, and it is not lawful even for deacons to administer it without permission of the bishop or priest." That deacons were, however, ministers of this sacrament by delegation is evident from the quotations adduced. In the service of ordination of a deacon, the bishop says to the candidate: "It behooves a deacon to minister at the altar, to baptize and to preach." Philip the deacon is mentioned in the Bible (Acts, viii) as conferring baptism, presumably by delegation of the Apostles. .It is to be noted that though every priest, in virtue of his ordination is the ordinary minister of baptism, yet by ecclesiastical decrees he can not use this power licitly unless he has jurisdiction.^ It is nonsense to speak of ratifying somebody's choice unless you have the power to stop them changing their minds but decline to use it.

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^ And then you go to a sorcerer calling himself a minister or priest or bishop for a spell performed around the baptismal font.

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.Hence the Roman Ritual declares: The legitimate minister of baptism is the parish priest, or any other priest delegated by the parish priest or the bishop of the place."^ And then you go to a sorcerer calling himself a minister or priest or bishop for a spell performed around the baptismal font.

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The Second Plenary Council of Baltimore adds: "Priests are deserving of grave reprehension who rashly baptize infants of another parish or of another diocese." St. Alphonsus (n. .114) says that parents who bring their children for baptism without necessity to a priest other than their own pastor, are guilty of sin because they violate the rights of the parish priest.^ Baptism violates the rights of the baby.

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^ According to St Thomas Aquinas in the Summa 3 q 68, 10 ad 2, children should not be baptised without the consent of the parents for the parents have immediate authority over them.

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^ Others say that parents don't have authority over the baby in relation to the obligation to made belong to the Church by baptism.

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.He adds, however, that other priests may baptize such children, if they have the permission, whether express, or tacit, or even reasonably presumed, of the proper pastor.^ Woops--perhaps they may wish to make such a decision for themselves.

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^ With that said, if for some reason members of The Church are placing names on the lists without the families’ permission they need to stop.

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^ I feel that way about it, whether it were a Jewish act or a Catholic or Protestant act out of the goodness of their hearts, however misguided I might think they were in their set of beliefs.

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.Those who have no settled place of abode may be baptized by the pastor of any church they choose.^ Consequently, I have no choice but to reject the candidacy of any person who shares those beliefs.” .

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^ Religious people only accept reasonable beliefs when those beliefs are taught by their God or Church or Bible - they accept them because of authority and not because they are reasonable.

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^ So long as they don't try to inflict it on those who don't believe the same way, I don't care.

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(2) Extraordinary Minister

.In case of necessity, baptism can be administered lawfully and validly by any person whatsoever who observes the essential conditions, whether this person be a Catholic layman or any other man or woman, heretic or schismatic, infidel or Jew.^ By incorporating Jews, catholics and any others without their consent, into a baptismal database of a church they never attended and were never interested in, you destroy the truth, and the historical record.

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^ Baptism is supposed to change you and make you holy when validly administered.

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^ Unless a man be born again of water and the spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God ”, does not imply infant baptism because of the spirit bit and you have to personally respond to the spirit as a person who knows what is happening.

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The essential conditions are that the person pour water upon the one to be baptized, at the same time pronouncing the words: "I baptize thee in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." Moreover, he must thereby intend really to baptize the person, or technically, he must intend to perform what the Church performs when administering this sacrament. The Roman Ritual adds that, even in conferring baptism in cases of necessity, there is an order of preference to be followed as to the minister. .This order is: if a priest be present, he is to be preferred to a deacon, a deacon to a subdeacon, a cleric to a layman, and a man to a woman, unless modesty should require (as in cases of childbirth) that no other than the female be the minister, or again, unless the female should understand better the method of baptizing.^ They know this person better than anyone else and it is their decision and no one has the right to question that.

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^ For no good reason other than you think whatever.

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^ "My mother and father were killed in the Holocaust for no other reason than they were Jews," Ernest "Ernie" Michel told the Salt Lake Tribune .

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.The Ritual also says that the father or mother should not baptize their own child, except in danger of death when no one else is at hand who could administer the sacrament.^ A heretical Christian who teaches the child that God is our friend and sends nobody to Hell and that there is no Hell for God is so forgiving will do no harm to the child.

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^ If the father does not want to be seen as a nut over a mere splashing of the baby with water and it is that insignificant, then what about the mother being a nut for making a fuss about getting the child splashed?

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^ Some say if a father objected to his estranged girlfriend or if a mother objected to her estranged boyfriend for taking the child of the union for baptism he or she would come across as a nutcase.

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Pastors are also directed by the Ritual to teach the faithful, and especially midwives, the proper method of baptizing. When such private baptism is administered, the other ceremonies of the rite are supplied later by a priest, if the recipient of the sacrament survives.

.This right of any person whatsoever to baptize in case of necessity is in accord with the constant tradition and practice of the Church.^ It's also about a religious practice that not only offends others but directly and personally involves the deceased relatives of others who have a right to rest in peace."

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^ You have no more right to baptize my dad as a mormon (a religion he had zero respect for) than I have to 'baptize' all the dead mormons back into the Catholic church.

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^ Infant baptism is vicious and an assault on human rights when it is claimed that it turns a person into a believer and member of the Church, the body of believers.

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Tertullian (De Bapt., vii) says, speaking of laymen who have an opportunity to administer baptism: "He will be guilty of the loss of a soul, if he neglects to confer what he freely can," St. Jerome (Adv. Lucif., ix): "In case of necessity, we know that it is also allowable for a layman [to baptize]; for as a person receives, so may he give," The Fourth Council of the Lateran (cap. Firmiter) decrees: "The Sacrament of Baptism . . . no matter by whom conferred is available to salvation, " St. Isidore of Seville (can. .Romanus de cons., iv) declares: "The Spirit of God administers the grace of baptism, although it be a pagan who does the baptizing," Pope Nicholas I teaches the Bulgarians (Resp, 104) that baptism by a Jew or a pagan is valid.^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

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Owing to the fact that women are barred from enjoying any species of ecclesiastical jurisdiction, the question necessarily arose concerning their ability to bestow valid baptism, Tertullian (De Bapt., xvii) strongly opposes the administration of this sacrament by women, but he does not declare it void. In like manner, St. Epiphanius (Hær., lxxix) says of females: "Not even the power of baptizing has been granted to them", but he is speaking of solemn baptism, which is a function of the priesthood. .Similar expressions may be found in the writings of other Fathers, but only when they are opposing the grotesque doctrine of some heretics, like the Marcionites, Pepuzians, and Cataphrygians, who wished to make Christian priestesses of women.^ A heretical Christian who teaches the child that God is our friend and sends nobody to Hell and that there is no Hell for God is so forgiving will do no harm to the child.

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^ Believers condone the terrible things God does to others and to a lesser extent they condone the evil God does to them and say its to keep them disciplined or to make them holy.

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^ Most Christians take babies to church to have water poured over them by a minister or priest who says, "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit".

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The authoritative decision of the Church, however, is plain. Pope Urban II (c. Super quibus, xxx, 4) writes, "It is true baptism if a woman in case of necessity baptizes a child in the name of the Trinity." The Florentine decree for the Armenians says explicitly: "In case of necessity, not only a priest or a deacon, but even a layman or woman, nay even a pagan or heretic may confer baptism." The main reason for this extension of power as to the administration of baptism is of course that the Church has understood from the beginning that this was the will of Christ. St. Thomas salvation of souls, it is in accordance with the mercy of God, who wishes all to be saved, that the means of obtaining this sacrament should be put, as far as possible, within the reach of all; and as for that reason the matter of the sacrament was made of common water, which can most easily be had, so in like manner it was only proper that every man should be made its minister. .Finally, it is to be noted that, by the law of the Church, the person administering baptism, even in cases of necessity, contracts a spiritual relationship with the child and its parents.^ A child is married to the Church by baptism.

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^ Others say that parents don't have authority over the baby in relation to the obligation to made belong to the Church by baptism.

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^ Baptism implies that God and the child do not have a relationship until baptism.

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.This relationship constitutes an impediment that would make a subsequent marriage with any of them null and void unless a dispensation were obtained beforehand.^ For this reason, there has been a push by anti-gay bigots to get a constitutional amendment passed to make marriage a union between man and woman only.

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See AFFINITY.

XIV. RECIPIENT OF BAPTISM

Every living human being, not yet baptized, is the subject of this sacrament.

(1) Baptism of Adults

As regards adults there is no difficulty or controversy. .Christ's command excepts no one when He bids the Apostles teach all nations and baptize them.^ The Church teaches that the teaching authority of the priests and bishops who are one in heart and communion with Rome must be heeded and obeyed by all who are baptised.

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^ Allow me to correct myself; if your grandmother does not wish to be baptized, of course no-one should force her, either before or after death.

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^ You have no more right to baptize my dad as a mormon (a religion he had zero respect for) than I have to 'baptize' all the dead mormons back into the Catholic church.

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(2) Baptism of Infants

Infant baptism has, however, been the subject of much dispute. The Waldenses and Cathari and later the Anabaptists, rejected the doctrine that infants are capable of receiving valid baptism, and some sectarians at the present day hold the same opinion. .The Catholic Church, however, maintains absolutely that the law of Christ applies as well to infants as to adults.^ The Catholic Church says that baptism washes away original sin which is why it baptises infants.

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^ The Catholic Church claims to be the true visible Church of Christ.

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^ If you were baptised a Catholic as a baby without your consent, then that is less important than the decision you make as an adult to stay in or leave the Church.

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.When the Redeemer declares (John 3) that it is necessary to be born again of water and the Holy Ghost in order to enter the Kingdom of God, His words may be justly understood to mean that He includes all who are capable of having a right to this kingdom.^ And a washing of a baby who can't consent joins the baby to Christ and the Church as long as the right words are used and so the baptism is real.

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^ For LDS, and for those who believe that God’s laws are immutable, the laws of justice will claim all of those who did not 1) enter a covenant with Jesus Christ, and 2) did not receive the opportunity to live it, during their lifetimes.

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.Now, He has asserted such a right even for those who are not adults, when He says (Matthew 19:14): "Suffer the little children, and forbid them not to come to me: for the kingdom of heaven is for such."^ Christianity slanders and rouses hatred against those who don't share its twisted views on raising children.

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^ It isn't about being right or wrong- as I said before, everyone chooses their path and who am I to say a Catholic or a buddhist or a Pagan is wrong to follow that path.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It's the living Mormons who are basically giving everyone else's spirituality the raspberry, and they need to know -- and to hear us say -- that such behavior is offensive in the extreme.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

It has been objected that this latter text does not refer to infants, inasmuch as Christ says "to come to me". In the parallel passage in St. Luke (18:15), however, the text reads: "And they brought unto him also infants, that he might touch them"; and then follow the words cited from St. Matthew. In the Greek text, the words brephe and prosepheron refer to infants in arms. Moreover, St. Paul (Colossians 2) says that baptism in the New Law has taken the place of circumcision in the Old. It was especially to infants that the rite of circumcision was applied by Divine precept. .If it be said that there is no example of the baptism of infants to be found in the Bible, we may answer that infants are included in such phrases as: "She was baptized and her household" (Acts 16:15); "Himself was baptized, and all his house immediately" (Acts 16:33); "I baptized the household of Stephanus" (I Corinthians 1:16).^ Mormons face it: your religion was made up by a guy who said he found some golden plates that no one else ever saw.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ So, the idea that God is going to wave his hand and destroy his own laws, in the end, betrays the laws of existence in a reality where there is no such thing as immaterial matter.

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^ No real baptism takes place if such a formula is used.

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The tradition of Christian antiquity as to the necessity of infant baptism is clear from the very beginning. We have given many striking quotations on this subject already, in dealing with the necessity of baptism. A few, therefore, will suffice here. Origen (in cap. vi, Ep. ad Rom.) declares: "The Church received from the Apostles the tradition of giving baptism also to infants". St. Augustine (Serm. xi, De Verb Apost.) says of infant baptism: "This the Church always had, always held; this she received from the faith of our ancestors; this she perseveringly guards even to the end." St. Cyprian (Ep. ad Fidum) writes: "From baptism and from grace . . . must not be kept the infant who, because recently born, has committed no sin, except, inasmuch as it was born carnally from .Adam, it has contracted the contagion of the ancient death in its first nativity; and it comes to receive the remission of sins more easily on this very account that not its own, but another's sins are forgiven it."^ What I say now, I say from my very own first hand experiences with Mormons.

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^ There is no law that says that coming into existence in a state of estrangement from God that is not your own fault should result in tendencies to sin.

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St.Cyprian's letter to Fidus declares that the Council of Carthage in 253 reprobated the opinion that the baptism of infants should be delayed until the eighth day after birth. The Council of Milevis in 416 anathematizes whosoever says that infants lately born are not to be baptized. The Council of Trent solemnly defines the doctrine of infant baptism (Sess. VII, can. xiii). It also condemns (can. xiv) the opinion of .Erasmus that those who had been baptized in infancy, should be left free to ratify or reject the baptismal promises after they had become adult.^ Such baptism is recognised as valid by Christians who say that babies should not be baptised unless their parents consent.

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^ A misrepresentation is something that is said to persuade a person to make a contract which they wouldn't do if they were told the truth - it is making a person mistakenly believe they should ratify the contract.

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^ If it is nutty of him to object to his baby being baptised, then those Catholic parents who object when their baby is taken for Protestant baptism must be mega-nutty!

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.Theologians also call attention to the fact that as God sincerely wishes all men to be saved, He does not exclude infants, for whom baptism of either water or blood is the only means possible.^ But, in fact, the only part of this quotation that I did way was "God."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It calls God the sexist and patriarchal Father when it means creator.

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^ God though all powerful didn't accept the child until baptism and that is not unconditional love.

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.The doctrines also of the universality of original sin and of the all-comprehending atonement of Christ are stated so plainly and absolutely in Scripture as to leave no solid reason for denying that infants are included as well as adults.^ Original sin itself is an evil doctrine and it is not original sin that tries to taint good works.

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^ The extent of all that we may become, derives from this origin, over which we have no choice, and from which we cannot escape.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Church says that original sin is the state of being hostile to God from the first moment of your existence and this hostility is inherited from Adam who rebelled against God.

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.To the objection that baptism requires faith, theologians reply that adults must have faith, but infants receive habitual faith, which is infused into them in the sacrament of regeneration.^ If they have the right to bring a child into their faith, they have to instil faith in the child by influencing the child to accept baptism.

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^ The father or mother must be given the legal right to stop infant baptisms if the parent the child is with seeks to have the child baptised.

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^ Baptism is trying to put a power that violates the rights of the child, that encourages the child to absorb and follow a harmful hypocritical faith into the child.

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As to actual faith, they believe on the faith of another; as St. Augustine (De Verb. .Apost., xiv, xviii) beautifully says: "He believes by another, who has sinned by another."^ They say that a person who believes that the world is made of wood does not deserve to have this belief respected.

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^ The Church says that original sin is the state of being hostile to God from the first moment of your existence and this hostility is inherited from Adam who rebelled against God.

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^ Christians feel a need to say it which implies that you cannot point out somebody's sin without being judgemental unless you say it and believe it.

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.As to the obligation imposed by baptism, the infant is obliged to fulfill them in proportion to its age and capacity, as is the case with all laws.^ LDS baptism gives the dead a chance at the covenant and meets all of the requirements for the laws of justice.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ "LDS baptism gives the dead a chance at the covenant and meets all of the requirements for the laws of justice.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.Christ, it is true, prescribed instruction and actual faith for adults as necessary for baptism (Matt., xxviii; Mark, xvi), but in His general law on the necessity of the sacrament (John, iii) He makes absolutely no restriction as to the subject of baptism; and consequently while infants are included in the law, they can not be required to fulfill conditions that are utterly impossible at their age.^ This makes absolutely no sense and is insulting the dispositions of the adult.

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^ Because of the laws of justice, no one can enter heaven unless he/she has received the covenant of baptism.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ What if baptism is not a good sacrament, one that makes a person good or more inclined to be good?

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.While not denying the validity of infant baptism, Tertullian (De Bapt., xviii) desired that the sacrament be not conferred upon them until they have attained the use of reason, on account of the danger of profaning their baptism as youths amid the allurements of pagan vice.^ Religion uses infant baptism to accustom society and desensitise it in relation to the exploitation and manipulation of the vulnerable children.

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^ It is hard to see how if parents and godparents consent to church membership for you when they make vows relating to that at your baptism how their consent could be valid.

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^ Religion claims the baptised as its own and uses this to get power and influence by having them counted as members until they tell it what is what.

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In like manner, St. Gregory Nazianzen (Or. xl, De Bapt.) thought that baptism, unless there was danger of death, should be deferred until the child was three years old, for then it could hear and respond at the ceremonies. .Such opinions, however, were shared by few, and they contain no denial of the validity of infant baptism.^ It is hard to see how if parents and godparents consent to church membership for you when they make vows relating to that at your baptism how their consent could be valid.

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^ When there is no valid consent by the representatives of the child how can anybody say that baptism isn't a violation of the dignity and freedom and person of the child?

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^ To accuse the father of being a nut for opposing the baptism denies the fact that his so-called nuttiness does no harm.

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It is true that the Council of Neocæsarea (can. vi) declares that an infant can not be baptized in its mother's womb, but it was teaching only that neither the baptism of the mother nor her faith is common to her and the infant in her womb, but are acts peculiar to the mother alone.

(3) Baptism of Unborn Infants

This leads to the baptism of infants in cases of difficult delivery. When the Roman Ritual declares that a child is not to be baptized while still enclosed (clausus) in its mother's womb, it supposes that the baptismal water can not reach the body of the child. When, however, this seems possible, even with the aid of an instrument, Benedict XIV (Syn. .Diaec., vii, 5) declares that midwives should be instructed to confer conditional baptism.^ But is the sheep urine as bad as the meaning of baptism - that a child should be conditioned to accept the laws of the Church and subjected to them?

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.The Ritual further says that when the water can flow upon the head of the infant the sacrament is to be administered absolutely; but if it can be poured only on some other part of the body, baptism is indeed to be conferred, but it must be conditionally repeated in case the child survives its birth, It is to be noted that in these last two cases, the rubric of the Ritual supposes that the infant has partly emerged from the womb.^ It's not the beliefs of the LDS church in the case of posthumous baptisms that are harmful to others.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If you'd like, you can say a prayer or perform a ritual that undoes the LDS baptism for the dead, if it will make you feel better?

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ And likewise, their ritual of baptism of the dead is a politically hostile policy; it is not religion; when they say it is, they are being disingenuous.

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For if the fetus was entirely enclosed, baptism is to be repeated conditionally in all cases (Lehmkuhl, n, 61). .In case of the death of the mother, the fetus is to be immediately extracted and baptized, should there be any life in it.^ Allow me to correct myself; if your grandmother does not wish to be baptized, of course no-one should force her, either before or after death.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Allow me to correct myself; if your grandmother does not wish to be baptized, of course no-one should force her, either before or after death."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Today, there is a popular notion that homosexuals should be paired in marriage but it serves no natural purpose in the human species - in this life or the next.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Infants have been taken alive from the womb well after the mother's death. .After the Cæsarean incision has been performed, the fetus may be conditionally baptized before extraction if possible; if the sacrament is administered after its removal from the womb the baptism is to be absolute, provided it is certain that life remains.^ Therefore, LDS baptism for the dead is performed to provide the saving ordinances for those who accept it in the world of spirits.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They are rock solid certain that they are right, and EVERYONE eles is wrong, that they MUST conduct this baptism of the dead so that people who were deprived of the Mormon truth in life may acquire it in death.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.If after extraction it is doubtful whether it be still alive, it is to be baptized under the condition: "If thou art alive". Physicians, mothers, and midwives ought to be reminded of the grave obligation of administering baptism under these circumstances, It is to be borne in mind that according to the prevailing opinion among the learned, the fetus is animated by a human soul from the very beginning of its conception.^ It is probable that the writings of Victor Frankl are read and discussed in places we know not of, where people are learning that change can take place in any human soul, starting with their own.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ However, if you believe in an afterlife, your father is still alive – living and learning.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The concept of baptism of dead bodies that are actually not present during the ceremony (and without the relatives supporting it) is very bizarre and macabre (picture Vincent Price).

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

In cases of delivery where the issue is a mass that is not certainly animated by human life, it is to be baptized conditionally: "If thou art a man."

(4) Baptism of Insane Persons

.The perpetually insane, who have never had the use of reason, are in the same category as infants in what relates to the conferring of baptism, and consequently the sacrament is valid if administered.^ And a washing of a baby who can't consent joins the baby to Christ and the Church as long as the right words are used and so the baptism is real.

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^ Religion uses infant baptism to accustom society and desensitise it in relation to the exploitation and manipulation of the vulnerable children.

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Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.If at one time they had been sane, baptism bestowed upon them during their insanity would be probably invalid unless they had shown a desire for it before losing their reason.^ Catholicism regards the baptism of Mormons as invalid for they believe that God the Father is an exalted man, the Son is another God, and the Holy Spirit is another God.

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^ Then when they knock on the door of a gay househould, it would save everyone alot of time and trouble.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Catholicism regards the baptism of Jehovah's Witnesses as invalid for they believe that the Father is God, the Son is an angel, the Holy Spirit is just a power.

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.Moralists teach that, in practice, this latter class may always be baptized conditionally, when it is uncertain whether or not they had ever asked for baptism (Sabetti, no.^ If you haven’t asked that question, you may still yet be in the dark when trying to understand LDS baptisms for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ They were asked to stop this practice in 1995, and at that time they said they had done so, and then all of the half million names who they claim to have expunged from their lists have reemerged on that list recently.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ For those who believe in once a Catholic always a Catholic then clearly they are forcing religion on a child whether it wants it or not for no matter what he or she does when he or she grows up he or she cannot stop being a Catholic!

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661). .In this connection it is to be remarked that, according to many writers, anyone who has a wish to receive all things necessary to salvation, has at the same time an implicit desire for baptism, and that a more specific desire is not absolutely necessary.^ They were asked to stop this practice in 1995, and at that time they said they had done so, and then all of the half million names who they claim to have expunged from their lists have reemerged on that list recently.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I conclude that that puts you all in the same position ethically as the Californians who so recently voted in favor of Proposition 8."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I conclude that that puts you all in the same position ethically as the Californians who so recently voted in favor of Proposition 8.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

(5) Foundlings

.Foundlings are to be baptized conditionally, if there is no means of finding out whether they have been validly baptized or not.^ It is my thesis, based on my conversation with many Mormon missionaries, that most Mormons do not understand the theology of their own church, and the do not understand the underlying theological meaning behind most of their rituals, and they don't care to find out.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I feel that way about it, whether it were a Jewish act or a Catholic or Protestant act out of the goodness of their hearts, however misguided I might think they were in their set of beliefs.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ There is no need to be afraid to invite them into your home; they would not hurt a fly; in fact, they are usually very nice, even charming.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.If a note has been left with a foundling stating that it had already received baptism, the more common opinion is that it should nevertheless be given conditional baptism, unless circumstances should make it plain that baptism had undoubtedly been conferred.^ Because of the laws of justice, no one can enter heaven unless he/she has received the covenant of baptism.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ What if baptism is not a good sacrament, one that makes a person good or more inclined to be good?

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^ And we are entitled to ask them for baptism is more about making a child a subscriber to dogma than about making the child a good person.

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O'Kane (no. .214) says that the same rule is to be followed when midwives or other lay persons have baptized infants in case of necessity.^ They say that the baby could undergo an infant dedication ceremony as practiced by Mormons and a Catholic baptism and the baby could decide later what religion to follow.

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(6) Baptism of the Children of Jewish and Infidel Parents

.The question is also discussed as to whether the infant children of Jews or infidels may be baptized against the will of their parents.^ Two loving parents and a stable home for children is far more important than whether or not the parents have different sets or equipment or not.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Sure, Jews may be against it, but that feeling lies within the description of "being another religion and believing other religions are wrong."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.To the general query, the answer is a decided negative, because such a baptism would violate the natural rights of parents, and the infant would later be exposed to the danger of perversion.^ Baptism violates the rights of the baby.

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^ Not if the injunction is not about stopping baptism as such but about giving parents rights.

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^ But they don't get to choose, and it isn't generally thought their their rights are being violated.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.We say this, of course, only in regard to the liceity of such a baptism, for if it were actually administered it would undoubtedly be valid.^ I can only attest to the extremity of your beliefs regarding proxi-baptism, which is abhorrent, and your views on gays- also abhorrent.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Church cannot err for that would mean it can't be a true visible Church when it can't tell a valid baptism from an invalid.

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^ Such baptism is recognised as valid by Christians who say that babies should not be baptised unless their parents consent.

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St. Thomas Holy See, as is evident from various decrees of the Sacred Congregations and of Pope Benedict XIV (II Bullarii). .We say the answer is negative to the general question, because particular circumstances may require a different response.^ Obnoxious because you think you can disreapect theri memories by imposing your own, may I say, rather screwed up version of christianity.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ You may say a child can be a member of a particular race and so he or she can be a member of a particular religion.

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.For it would undoubtedly be licit to impart such baptism if the children were in proximate danger of death; or if they had been removed from the parental care and there was no likelihood of their returning to it; or if they were perpetually insane; or if one of the parents were to consent to the baptism; or finally, if, after the death of the father, the paternal grandfather would be willing, even though the mother objected.^ Single parent households have one parent filling the role of mother and father.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ There would be no incest.

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^ If they are not then they are not consenting properly or validly to the baptism.

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.If the children were, however, not infants, but had the use of reason and were sufficiently instructed, they should be baptized when prudence dictated such a course.^ To say they need baptism is to imply that God is a right old scrooge with his graces and to imply that children should be entered into a religion with a scary God.

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^ Religion uses infant baptism to accustom society and desensitise it in relation to the exploitation and manipulation of the vulnerable children.

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^ To say children should not be baptised and should not be raised in a particular religion is to say they should be raised in the faith of secularism.

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.In the celebrated case of the Jewish child, Edgar Mortara, Pius IX indeed ordered that he should be brought up as a Catholic, even against the will of his parents, but baptism had already been administered to him some years before when in danger of death.^ Allow me to correct myself; if your grandmother does not wish to be baptized, of course no-one should force her, either before or after death."

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The Catholic Church will not baptise a baby brought by Presbyterian parents who intend to raise the child as a Presbyterian.

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^ It is complete arrogance to suppose that if you baptise a child that the child will be a Catholic for all eternity whether he or she grows up to believe in Catholicism or not.

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(7) Baptism of the Children of Protestant Parents

.It is not licit to baptize children against the will of their Protestant parents; for their baptism would violate parental right, expose them to the danger of perversion, and be contrary to the practice of the Church.^ Baptism violates the rights of the baby.

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^ Others say that parents don't have authority over the baby in relation to the obligation to made belong to the Church by baptism.

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^ Parents have the right to object to their child being made a servant of the Church and obliged to obey it.

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.Kenrick also strongly condemns nurses who baptize the children of Protestants unless they are in danger of death.^ So, in that light, while Mormons baptize for the dead, to provide the ordinance for all those who have lived on the earth, it does not speak to whether they have accepted it.

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^ In fact, it is probably they who are in danger, going around knocking on strangers's doors.

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^ Personally, I'm offended by the thought of re-baptizing the dead who proudly lived and died in the faith they knew and practiced; I feel it is disrespectful.

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(8) Baptism with the Consent of Non-Catholic Parents

.Should a priest baptize the child of non-Catholic parents if they themselves desire it?^ They should explain that they feel baptism and child initiation into religion is telling the child and everybody else a lie.

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^ It seems that parents only have the right to raise their children as Catholics whether they are Catholics themselves or not.

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^ The priests know that the consent is worthless but turn a blind eye in the hope of having the child brainwashed into becoming a Catholic or whatever at school and in the home.

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.He certainly can do so if there is reason to hope that the child will be brought up a Catholic (Conc.^ The priests know that the consent is worthless but turn a blind eye in the hope of having the child brainwashed into becoming a Catholic or whatever at school and in the home.

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^ The reason is that baptism in a Catholic Church confers membership in the Catholic Church on the baby and it is a betrayal of this to raise the child in a different faith.

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^ The Catholic Church will not baptise a baby brought by Presbyterian parents who intend to raise the child as a Presbyterian.

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Prov, Balt., I, decr, x). .An even greater security for the Catholic education of such child would be the promise of one or both parents that they themselves will embrace the Faith.^ If they would not consider a child initiated into Hitler Youth to be a true supporter of Nazism, then they should extend the same honour to those who are baptised.

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^ It suggests that anybody who does good to develop a faith that isn't Catholic is being insincere if they say their goodness showed them this non-Catholic faith was true.

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^ The Catholic Church will not baptise a baby brought by Presbyterian parents who intend to raise the child as a Presbyterian.

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(9) Baptism of the Dead

Concerning baptism for the dead, a curious and difficult passage in St. Paul's Epistle has given rise to some controversy. .The Apostle says: "Otherwise what shall they do that are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not again at all?^ You have no more right to baptize my dad as a mormon (a religion he had zero respect for) than I have to 'baptize' all the dead mormons back into the Catholic church.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Your vitriolic rants are not going to persuade Mormons to stop baptizing Jews after they are dead.

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^ To proxi-baptize a Jew, though they are dead, is not a beneficial prayer for their souls to the family.

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.Why are they then baptized for them?"^ Why don't they just baptize everyone?

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.(I Cor., xv, 29), There seems to be no question here of any such absurd custom as conferring baptism on corpses, as was practiced later by some heretical sects.^ A heretical Christian who teaches the child that God is our friend and sends nobody to Hell and that there is no Hell for God is so forgiving will do no harm to the child.

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^ But it seems you and I do agree- if you have permission of the person, there is no harm.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ No real baptism takes place if such a formula is used.

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.It has been conjectured that this otherwise unknown usage of the Corinthians consisted in some living person receiving a symbolic baptism as representing another who had died with the desire of becoming a Christian, but had been prevented from realizing his wish for baptism by an unforeseen death.^ And a washing of a baby who can't consent joins the baby to Christ and the Church as long as the right words are used and so the baptism is real.

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^ Try being a REAL Christian for a change, instead of scapegoating a minority that you personally do not like.

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^ I carry some emotional baggage around this, as a descendant of Irish Catholics who risked their lives to follow Christ as they knew Christ.

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Those who give this explanation say that St. Paul merely refers to this custom of the Corinthians as an argumentum ad hominem, when discussing the resurrection of the dead, without approving the usage mentioned,

Archbishop MacEvilly in his exposition of the Epistles of St. Paul, holds a different opinion. He paraphrases St. Paul's text as follows: "Another argument in favor of the resurrection. .If the dead will not arise, what means the profession of faith in the resurrection of the dead, made at baptism?^ The Christian faith would disappear if baptism made you a member of the Church and what you believed and did made no difference.

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^ "Baptism for the dead" is a central tenet of the Mormon faith.

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^ In the LDS faith, baptism is not a guarantee of anything, whether living or dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Why are we all baptized with a profession of our faith in their resurrection?" The archbishop comments, as follows: "It is almost impossible to glean anything like certainty as to the meaning of these very abstruse words, from the host of interpretations that have been hazarded regarding them (see Calmet's Dissertation on the matter). In the first place, every interpretation referring the words 'baptized', or 'dead' to either erroneous or evil practices, which men might have employed to express their belief in the doctrine of the resurrection, should be rejected; as it appears by no means likely that the Apostle would ground an argument, even though it were what the logicians call an argumentum ad hominem, on either a vicious or erroneous practice. Besides, such a system of reasoning would be quite inconclusive. .Hence, the words should not be referred to either the Clinics, baptized at the hour of death, or to the vicarious baptisms in use among the Jews, for their departed friends who departed without baptism.^ And a washing of a baby who can't consent joins the baby to Christ and the Church as long as the right words are used and so the baptism is real.

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^ Allow me to correct myself; if your grandmother does not wish to be baptized, of course no-one should force her, either before or after death.

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^ Rather than worry about nonsense about baptisms being valid and invalid, baptism itself should be a custom that we hope will die a slow death.

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.The interpretation adopted in the paraphrase makes the words refer to the Sacrament of Baptism, which all were obliged to approach with faith in the resurrection of the dead as a necessary condition.^ All or nearly all the non-LDS posters have expressed disapproval of baptism for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ When a relative is a member and wishes to perform a baptism for the dead, then yes, it will be necessary to talk to them and probably the temple president as well to work it out.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ What if baptism is not a good sacrament, one that makes a person good or more inclined to be good?

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Credo in resurrectionem mortuorum. This interpretation -- the one adopted by St. Chrysostom--has the advantage of giving the words 'baptized' and 'dead' their literal signification. The only inconvenience in it is that the word resurrection is introduced. But, it is understood from the entire context, and is warranted by a reference to other passages of Scripture. .For, from the Epistle of the Hebrews (vi, 2) it appears that a knowledge of the faith of the resurrection was one of the elementary points of instruction required for adult baptism; and hence the Scriptures themselves furnish the ground for the introduction of the word.^ People always lose faith bit by bit and this cannot be done without believing one has committed a very serious sin against faith that deserves Hell at some point.

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^ The epistle of James the Apostle in the Bible says that true religion is doing good works - if he proclaimed faith in the resurrection of Jesus it was not that he considered that resurrection important.

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.There is another probable interpretation, which understands the words 'baptism' and 'dead' in a metaphorical sense, and refers them to the sufferings which the Apostles and heralds of salvation underwent to preach the Gospel to the infidels, dead to grace and spiritual life, with the hope of making them sharers in the glory of a happy resurrection.^ If you haven’t asked that question, you may still yet be in the dark when trying to understand LDS baptisms for the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

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^ It is in this context that you might try to understand Mormon baptism of the dead.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.The word 'baptism' is employed in this sense in Scripture, even by our divine Redeemer Himself -- 'I have a baptism wherewith to be baptized', etc.^ We could even start claiming that the people we baptize for the dead are accepting those baptism – and there is one thing you can do about it, accept complain.

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.And the word 'dead' is employed in several parts of the New Testament to designate those spiritually dead to grace and justice.^ Second, the doctrine of vicarious ordinances for the dead is not new, or a made-up Mormon doctrine, but is actually a part of the "restoration of all things" spoken of in the Old and New Testaments by several prophets.

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^ The term baptism for the dead is specifically referred to in the New Testament in 1 Corinthians 15:29.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

In the Greek, the words 'for the dead', uper ton nekron that is, on account of or, in behalf of the dead, would serve to confirm, in some degree, this latter interpretation. These appear to be the most probable of the interpretations of this passage; each, no doubt, has its difficulties. .The meaning of the words was known to the Corinthians at the time of the Apostle.^ Corinthian 15:29 KJV. If these were being performed at the time of the apostle Paul, it would seem to me that they are part of Christian tradition.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

All that can be known of their meaning at this remote period, can not exceed the bounds of probable conjecture" (loc. cit., chap. xv; cf. also Cornely in Ep. I Cor.).

XV. ADJUNCTS OF BAPTISM

(1) Baptistery

.According to the canons of the Church, baptism except in case of necessity is to be administered in churches (Conc.^ It's not the beliefs of the LDS church in the case of posthumous baptisms that are harmful to others.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

Prov. Balt., I, Decree 16). .The Roman Ritual says: "Churches in which there is a baptismal font, or where there is a baptistery close to the church". The term "baptistery" is commonly used for the space set aside for the conferring of baptism.^ The Church says we are all tainted with original sin and there is a bit of sin in all our actions and even our good works.

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^ Others say that parents don't have authority over the baby in relation to the obligation to made belong to the Church by baptism.

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^ And a washing of a baby who can't consent joins the baby to Christ and the Church as long as the right words are used and so the baptism is real.

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In like manner the Greeks use photisterion for the same purpose -- a word derived from St. Paul's designation of baptism as an "illumination". The words of the Ritual just cited, however, mean by "baptistery", a separate building constructed for the purpose of administering baptism. .Such buildings have been erected both in the East and West, as at Tyre, Padua, Pisa, Florence, and other places.^ In other words, I'm within my rights, both legally and morally, to write letters to Congress if your beliefs are put on display in public places.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

In such baptisteries, besides the font, altars were also built; and here the baptism was conferred. As a rule, however, the church itself contains a railed-off space containing the baptismal font. Anciently fonts were attached only to cathedral churches, but at the present day nearly every parish church has a font. This is the sense of the Baltimore decree above cited. .The Second Plenary Council of Baltimore declared, however, that if missionaries judge that the great difficulty of bringing an infant to church is a sufficient reason for baptizing in a private house, then they are to administer the sacrament with all the prescribed rites.^ Religious people only accept reasonable beliefs when those beliefs are taught by their God or Church or Bible - they accept them because of authority and not because they are reasonable.

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^ At least pagans are better off for the Church says they can doubt all they want before they are ready for the gift of faith.

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^ You have no more right to baptize my dad as a mormon (a religion he had zero respect for) than I have to 'baptize' all the dead mormons back into the Catholic church.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

.The ordinary law of the Church is that when private baptism is conferred, the remaining ceremonies are to be supplied not in the house but in the church itself.^ For the Catholic Church, baptism confers membership and the obligation to stay a member forever.

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^ The reason is that baptism in a Catholic Church confers membership in the Catholic Church on the baby and it is a betrayal of this to raise the child in a different faith.

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^ And especially considering that baptism seeks to make the baby a member of the baptising Church in the eyes of the law.

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The Ritual also directs that the font be of solid material, so that the baptismal water may be safely kept in it. A railing is to surround the font, and a representation of St. John baptizing Christ should adorn it. .The cover of the font usually contains the holy oils used in baptism, and this cover must be under lock and key, according to the Ritual.^ The Church says it reads in the Bible that Christ taught that baptism must be done by washing the candidate in water and saying, "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".

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(2) Baptismal Water

.In speaking of the matter of baptism, we stated that true, natural water is all that is required for its validity.^ It is impossible to see how baptisms performed by Protestants who see the Catholic Church as permeated by the power of Satan and its pope as Antichrist could perform a valid baptism if that is true.

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^ LDS baptism gives the dead a chance at the covenant and meets all of the requirements for the laws of justice.

Under God: Mormons, Jews Contend for Souls of Dead - David Waters 18 September 2009 4:28 UTC newsweek.washingtonpost.com [Source type: Original source]

^ "LDS baptism gives the dead a chance at the covenant and meets all of the requirements for the laws of justice.

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.In administering solemn baptism, however the Church prescribes that the water used should have been consecrated on Holy Saturday or on the eve of Pentecost.^ And a washing of a baby who can't consent joins the baby to Christ and the Church as long as the right words are used and so the baptism is real.

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^ Baptism is supposed to change you and make you holy when validly administered.

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^ The Church should not be baptising when the participants don't consider the baptism or the Church initiation important and consider them to be mere things that people do, eccentric customs.

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For the liceity (not validity) of the sacrament, therefore, the priest is obliged to use consecrated water. This custom is so ancient that we can not discover its origin. It is found in the most ancient liturgies of the Latin and Greek Churches and is mentioned in the Apostolic Constitutions (VII, 43). The ceremony of its consecration is striking and symbolic. After signing the water with the cross, the priest divides it with his hand and casts it to the four corners of the earth. This signifies the baptizing of all the nations. Then he breathes upon the water and immerses the paschal candle in it.

.Next he pours into the water, first the oil of catechumens and then the sacred chrism, and lastly both holy oils together, pronouncing appropriate prayers.^ Most Christians take babies to church to have water poured over them by a minister or priest who says, "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit".

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But what if during the year, the supply of consecrated water should be insufficient? .In that case, the Ritual declares that the priest may add common water to what remains, but only in less quantity.^ Baptism is declaring that harming and insulting are not bad in themselves but only bad when God feels like condemning them and that he may allow harm and still be good.

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If the consecrated water appears putrid, the priest must examine whether or not it is really so, for the appearance may be caused only by the admixture of the sacred oils. If it has really become putrid, the font is to be renovated and fresh water to be blessed by a form given in the Ritual. .In the United States, the Holy See has sanctioned a short formula for the consecration of baptismal water (Conc.^ The Church says it reads in the Bible that Christ taught that baptism must be done by washing the candidate in water and saying, "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".

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Plen. Balt., II).

(3) Holy Oils

In baptism, the priest uses the oil of catechumens, which is olive oil, and chrism, the latter being a mixture of balsam and oil. The oils are consecrated by the bishop on Maundy Thursday. The anointing in baptism is recorded by St. Justin, St. John Chrysostom, and other ancient Fathers. .Pope Innocent I declares that the chrism is to be applied to the crown of the head, not to the forehead, for the latter is reserved to bishops.^ It is a declaration that there is an infallible religious authority - the Bible for Protestants and the Pope and the Bible and the bishops for Catholics.

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The same may be found in the Sacramentaries of St. Gregory and St. Gelasius (Martene, I, i). .In the Greek Rite the oil of catechumens is blessed by the priest during the baptismal ceremony.^ The concept of baptism of dead bodies that are actually not present during the ceremony (and without the relatives supporting it) is very bizarre and macabre (picture Vincent Price).

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(4) Sponsors

.When infants are solemnly baptized, persons assist at the ceremony to make profession of the faith in the child's name.^ And we are entitled to ask them for baptism is more about making a child a subscriber to dogma than about making the child a good person.

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^ A baby cannot belong to any religion no matter how many godparents she or he has that make the profession of faith in the Church or vows of commitment to the Church for her or him.

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^ Personally, I'm offended by the thought of re-baptizing the dead who proudly lived and died in the faith they knew and practiced; I feel it is disrespectful.

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This practice comes from antiquity and is witnessed to by Tertullian, St. Basil, St. Augustine, and others. Such persons are designated sponsores, offerentes, susceptores, fidejussores, and patrini. The English term is godfather and godmother, or in Anglo-Saxon, gossip. .These sponsors, in default of the child's parents, are obliged to instruct it concerning faith and morals.^ This means that the child that is baptised is not allowed to doubt any information about faith and morals coming from the Church at all.

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^ They found that these rights (of the children) were more important to society, INCLUDING when the child’s rights conflict with the parents’ lifestyle choices.

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^ Parents have the right to object to their child being made a servant of the Church and obliged to obey it.

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.One sponsor is sufficient and not more than two are allowed.^ It conducted a two year study of countries with gay marriage and found that the rights of Children were more important to society and the State, than the sexual preferences of adults.

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^ If there is no God then it is more certain that this would be evil than it would be if there is one.

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^ Two loving parents and a stable home for children is far more important than whether or not the parents have different sets or equipment or not.

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.In the latter case, one should be male and the other female.^ One should live up to strict and hard standards if one asks them of or for others.

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^ Why should one parent have the right to have the child baptised in defiance of the other parent?

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.The object of these restrictions is the fact that the sponsor contracts a spiritual relationship to the child and its parents which would be an impediment to marriage.^ Some say if a father objected to his estranged girlfriend or if a mother objected to her estranged boyfriend for taking the child of the union for baptism he or she would come across as a nutcase.

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^ If baptism were not an attempt to force religious membership on a child, the godparents would not be commissioned by the Church and the parents to choose membership for the child by proxy.

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^ No decent parent would want to make their child a part of all that.

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.Sponsors must themselves be baptized persons having the use of reason and they must have been designated as sponsors by the priest or parents.^ From personal experience I know unless the person is a direct relative (e.g., grandparent, parent, sibling) you must obtain permission from other members of the family who are direct relatives.

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^ For the dead, after they accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, cannot be baptized for themselves because they are not in the body.

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.During the baptism they must physically touch the child either personally or by proxy.^ They should explain that they feel baptism and child initiation into religion is telling the child and everybody else a lie.

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^ Baptism insults the dignity of the child as a human person.

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^ It is interesting that nobody wants to check out the life of the person who is suspected to have received an invalid baptism to see if they are holy and showing signs of being healed and blessed by baptism which would mean the baptism must have been valid.

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They are required, moreover, to have the intention of really assuming the obligations of godparents. It is desirable that they should have been confirmed, but this is not absolutely necessary. Certain persons are prohibited from acting as sponsors. .They are: members of religious orders, married persons in respect to each other, or parents to their children, and in general those who are objectionable on such grounds as infidelity, heresy, excommunication, or who are members of condemned secret societies, or public sinners (Sabetti, no.^ Christianity slanders and rouses hatred against those who don't share its twisted views on raising children.

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^ They say that a person who believes that the world is made of wood does not deserve to have this belief respected.

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^ Consequently, I have no choice but to reject the candidacy of any person who shares those beliefs.” .

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663). Sponsors are also used in the solemn baptism of adults. They are never necessary in private baptism.

(5) Baptismal Name

From the earliest times names were given in baptism. .The priest is directed to see that obscene, fabulous, and ridiculous names, or those of heathen gods or of infidel men be not imposed.^ I have a feeling the names, which are continuously removed from the list, were placed there by converts, such as myself, because they are direct descendants of those deceased.

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On the contrary the priest is to recommend the names of saints. This rubric is not a rigorous precept, but it is an instruction to the priest to do what he can in the matter. If parents are unreasonably obstinate, the priest may add a saint's name to the one insisted upon.

(6) Baptismal Robe

In the primitive Church, a white robe was worn by the newly baptized for a certain period after the ceremony (St. Ambrose, De Myst., c. vii). As solemn baptisms usually took place on the eves of Easter or Pentecost, the white garments became associated with those festivals. Thus, Sabbatum in Albis and Dominica in Albis received their names from the custom of putting off at that time the baptismal robe which had been worn since the previous vigil of Easter. It is thought that the English name for Pentecost -- Whitsunday or Whitsuntide, also derived its appellation from the white garments of the newly baptized. In our present ritual, a white veil is placed momentarily on the head of the catechumen as a substitute for the baptismal robe.

XVI. CEREMONIES OF BAPTISM

The rites that accompany the baptismal ablution are as ancient as they are beautiful. The writings of the early Fathers and the antique liturgies show that most of them are derived from Apostolic times. The infant is brought to the door of the church by the sponsors, where it is met by the priest. After the godparents have asked faith from the Church of God in the child's name, the priest breathes upon its face and exorcises the evil spirit. St. Augustine (Ep. cxciv, Ad Sixtum) makes use of this Apostolic practice of exorcising to prove the existence of original sin. Then the infant's forehead and breast are signed with the cross, the symbol of redemption. Next follows the imposition of hands, a custom certainly as old as the Apostles. Some blessed salt is now placed in the mouth of the child. "When salt", says the Catechism of the Council of Trent "is put into the mouth of person to be baptized, it evidently imports that, by the doctrine of faith and the gift of grace, he should be delivered from the corruption of sin, experience a relish for good works, and be delighted with the food of divine wisdom." Placing his stole over the child the priest introduces it into the church, and on the way to the font the sponsors make a profession of faith for the infant. The priest now touches the ears and nostrils of the child with spittle. The symbolic meaning is thus explained (Cat. C. Trid.) "His nostrils and ears are next touched with spittle and he is immediately sent to the baptismal font, that, as sight was restored to the blind man mentioned in the Gospel, whom the Lord, after having spread clay over his eyes, commanded to wash them in the waters of Siloe; so also he may understand that the efficacy of the sacred ablution is such as to bring light to the mind to discern heavenly truth." The catechumen now makes the triple renunciation of Satan, his works and his pomps, and he is anointed with the oil of catechumens on the breast and between the shoulders: "On the breast, that by the gift of the Holy Ghost, he may cast off error and ignorance and may receive the true faith, 'for the just man liveth by faith' (Galatians 3:11); on the shoulders, that by the grace of the holy spirit, he may shake off negligence and torpor and engage in the performance of good works; 'faith without works is dead' (James 2:26)", says the Catechism.

The infant now, through its sponsors, makes a declaration of faith and asks for baptism. The priest, having meantime changed his violet stole for a white one, then administers the threefold ablution, making the sign of the cross three times with the stream of water he pours on the head of the child, saying at the same time: "N___, I baptize thee in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." The sponsors during the ablution either hold the child or at least touch it. If the baptism be given by immersion, the priest dips the back part of the head three times into the water in the form of a cross, pronouncing the sacramental words. .The crown of the child's head is now anointed with chrism, "to give him to understand that from that day he is united as a member to Christ, his head, and engrafted on His body; and therefore he is called a Christian from Christ, but Christ from chrism" (Catech.^ Relying on this misinformation to increase your knowledge of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is equivocal to asking a Christian Minister about Sukkot.

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). .A white veil is now put on the infant's head with the words: "Receive this white garment, which mayest thou carry without stain before the judgment seat of Our Lord Jesus Christ, that thou mayest have eternal life.^ God offers the dead an opportunity to hear and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, if they did not receive a personal witness of it, while in life.

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^ Our hope is that every person will accept the gospel of Jesus Christ, just like it is a hope and a prayer here on earth.

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^ Mormons believe that right now, all of the dead are receiving the opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ to be given an opportunity to deeply consider it, and accept it.

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Amen." Then a lighted candle is placed in the catechumen's hand, the priest saying: "Receive this burning light, and keep thy baptism so as to be without blame. .Observe the commandments of God; that, when Our Lord shall come to His nuptials, thou mayest meet Him together with all the Saints and mayest have life everlasting, and live for ever and ever.^ Since we will never be parents together, neither by birth nor adoption, does that mean that our marriage is not valid in the eyes of your god?

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^ I don't think we all need to find our paths through life the exact same way.

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^ If God is all-powerful, then God can deal with all of these poor dead folks without the help of the Mormon Saints.

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Amen." The new Christian is then bidden to go in peace.

In the baptism of adults, all the essential ceremonies are the same as for infants. There are, however, some impressive additions. The priest wears the cope over his other vestments, and he should be attended by a number of clerics or at least by two. While the catechumen waits outside the church door, the priest recites some prayers at the altar. Then he proceeds to the place where the candidate is, and asks him the questions and performs the exorcisms almost as prescribed in the ritual for infants. Before administering the blessed salt, however, he requires the catechumen to make an explicit renunciation of the form of error to which he had formerly adhered, and he is then signed with the cross on the brow, ears, eyes, nostrils, mouth, breast, and between the shoulders. .Afterwards, the candidate, on bended knees, recites three several times the Lord's Prayer, and a cross is made on his forehead, first by the godfather and then by the priest.^ I made the point several times, that this guy, Dr. Rock, is an agent of the Mormon Church, sent here to do some damage control in the Mormon Church's promotion of Prop 8.

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.After this, taking him by the hand, the priest leads him into the church, where he adores prostrate and then rising he recites the Apostles' Creed and the Lord's Prayer.^ This is very different than taking the names of the dead, incorporating them into a Mormon church database and baptizing them.

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The other ceremonies are practically the same as for infants. .It is to be noted that owing to the difficulty of carrying out with proper splendor the ritual for baptizing adults, the bishops of the United States obtained permission from the Holy See to make use of the ceremonial of infant baptism instead.^ You are actively seeking out names and then using them for your little ritual.

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This general dispensation lasted until 1857, when the ordinary law of the Church went into force. .(See COUNCILS OF BALTIMORE.) Some American dioceses, however, obtained individual permissions to continue the use of the ritual for infants when administering adult baptism.^ However, individually, I have met some Mormons who act that way.

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XVII. METAPHORICAL BAPTISM

The name "baptism" is sometimes applied improperly to other ceremonies.

(1) Baptism of Bells

This name has been given to the blessing of bells, at least in France, since the eleventh century. It is derived from the washing of the bell with holy water by the bishop, before he anoints it with the oil of the infirm without and with chrism within. A fuming censer is then placed under it. .The bishop prays that these sacramentals of the Church may, at the sound of the bell, put the demons to flight, protect from storms, and call the faithful to prayer.^ Since these people have never attended your church, and their families have not, this is highly offensive to those of my faith.

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(2) Baptism of Ships

At least since the time of the Crusades, rituals have contained a blessing for ships. The priest begs God to bless the vessel and protect those who sail in it, as He did the ark of Noah, and Peter, when the Apostle was sinking in the sea. The ship is then sprinkled with holy water.

Portions of this entry are taken from The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1907.

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Baptism is rite performed by most Christian churches and denominations. Baptism is a ritual cleaning or washing. Most churches do it to infants to mark their becoming members of the church ^[1]. It is a sacrament usually performed by a priest.

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Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. The usual form of baptism among the earliest Christians was for the candidate (or "baptizand") to be immersed totally or partially. But sprinkling, also, or copious pouring rather, was practiced at an early day with sick and dying persons when total or partial immersion was impracticable.

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