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Charles Manson

Charles Manson, 1969
Born November 12, 1934 (1934-11-12) (age 75)
Cincinnati, Ohio, United States
Charge(s) Murder and conspiracy
Penalty Death, reduced by abolition of death penalty to life in prison
Status Incarcerated. Next parole hearing scheduled for 2012.
Spouse Rosalie Jean Willis
Leona (last name unknown) aka Candy Stevens
Parents Kathleen Maddox (mother)
Colonel Scott (father)
William Manson (stepfather)
Children Charles Milles Manson, Jr. (mother Rosalie Jean Willis)
Charles Luther Manson (mother Leona)
Valentine Michael "Pooh Bear" Manson (mother Mary Brunner)
.Charles Milles Manson (born November 12, 1934) is an American criminal who led what became known as the Manson Family (the "Family"), a quasi-commune that arose in California in the late 1960s.^ C harles M illes M anson was born on November 12, 1934.

^ Ono 10-15-2007, 12:29 AM CHARLES MANSON Charles Milles Manson (born November 12, 1934) is an American convict and career criminal, most known for his participation in the Tate-LaBianca murders of the late 1960s.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ Charles Milles Manson (born November 12, 1934 as Charles Milles Maddox) was the founder and leader of the "Manson Family," a hippie cult he began in San Francisco in 1967.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]

[1][2][3] .He was found guilty of conspiracy to commit the Tate/LaBianca murders, carried out by members of the group at his instruction.^ Manson was also convicted of conspiracy to commit murder.
  • Charles Milles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC members.shaw.ca [Source type: Original source]

^ Manson was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]

^ ACTUALLY, He was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder.
  • Tofulator: Lost in Translation » Charles Manson’s Epic Question 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.tofulator.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.He was convicted of the murders themselves through the joint-responsibility rule, which makes each member of a conspiracy guilty of crimes his fellow conspirators commit in furtherance of the conspiracy's object.^ Manson was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]

^ But to be convicted of a crime he didn't commit?
  • Charles Milles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC members.shaw.ca [Source type: Original source]

^ Manson was also convicted of conspiracy to commit murder.
  • Charles Milles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC members.shaw.ca [Source type: Original source]

[4][5]
.Manson is closely associated with the term "Helter Skelter", from the Beatles’ song of that name.^ Manson called this conflict Helter Skelter, named so for a song by the Beatles on the WHITE ALBUM .

^ In fact, Charles Manson wrote the song Helter Skelter.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ PM In fact, Charles Manson wrote the song Helter Skelter.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

.At Manson’s trial and in a subsequent book, also called Helter Skelter, prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi presented the theory that Manson considered this and other Beatle recordings prophetic messages about an apocalyptic race war, which the Family would not only survive but precipitate, by recording prophetic music of its own.^ Vincent Bugliosi wrote Helter Skelter to talk about the Manson Trial and the outcry for Manson and other family members to be set free from prison.
  • Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders (Paperback) by Vincent Bugliosi - Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.goodreads.com [Source type: General]

^ Bugliosi's book "Helter Skelter" isn't that reliable, even though he was the prosecutor of the Manson cases.
  • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Vincent Bugliosi , from Helter Skelter 1974 Curt Gentry and Vincent Bugliosi: Manson told me ...
  • Charles Milles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC members.shaw.ca [Source type: Original source]

[6][7] .Ultimately, Bugliosi argued, Manson ordered the murders, to trigger the war directly.^ Grogan, who was paroled in 1985, is still the only former Family member to have been paroled after being convicted of a Manson-ordered murder.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

^ Bugliosi then examined the items in search of evidence that could link Manson and others to murder.
  • Zodiac Killer - Suspect Manson - Bruce Davis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.zodiackillerfacts.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Tex was convicted of FIVE ( Manson ordered ) murders.

[8] .The trial became America's most highly publicized murder trial up to its time.^ From the biggest case of wrong place wrong time ever (Steve Parent) to the atrocious murder of Sharon Tate, there's just so much fucked-up-edness with that murder.
  • The Manson Family (2003) - THE RUE MORTUARY 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.rue-morgue.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ He decided that the jury, once selected, would be locked up until the end of the trial — "to protect them from harassment and to prevent their being exposed to trial publicity."

^ The most obvious reason is that Mr. Bugliosi didn’t look at the events that led up to these murders in chronological order.

[9] .Eventually, Manson attained "near mythological proportions", his "very name ...^ He thinks that Manson has become a "metaphor" for evil, catapulting him to near mythological proportions...People worry about this man the way they worry about cancer and earthquakes."

^ Over thirty-five years ago a crime took place in Los Angeles that has been blown up to the point that it has attained mythological proportions in the minds of many Americans.

a metaphor for evil".[10]
.At the time the Family began to form, Manson was a recently released and unemployed ex-convict who had spent more than half his life in correctional institutions.^ It was pretty clear who Manson's family were.

^ Charles Manson spent half his life in prisons from the time he was twelve years old.
  • Charles Milles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC members.shaw.ca [Source type: Original source]

^ The Hollywood blockbusters are more offensive than THE MANSON FAMILY will ever be.

.Before the murders, he was on the distant fringe of the Los Angeles music industry, chiefly through a chance association with Beach Boy Dennis Wilson.^ Dennis Wilson of the famous Beach Boys.

^ Manson had managed to ingratiate himself with music industry figures including Dennis Wilson, with whom the “family” lived before the murders and who collaborated on the writing and performance of music that was actually recorded for a Beach Boys album, and Terry Melcher, Doris Day’s influential producer son who was the intended victim of the murders.
  • Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Manson murders, 40 years later 25 September 2009 7:07 UTC hotair.com [Source type: General]

^ In the spring of 1968, Manson was introduced to record producer Terry Melcher, son of actress Doris Day, by Dennis Wilson of the The Beach Boys , who had picked up a couple of the Family members as they were hitchhiking.
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

.After his arrest, recordings of songs written and performed by him were released commercially.^ The pair had recorded a few tracks, including one jointly written song "Never Learn Not to Love" that was subsequently recorded by the Beach Boys.
  • Charles Manson follower ends her silence 40 years after night of slaughter | World news | The Observer 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.guardian.co.uk [Source type: News]

^ He told me Share had written to him recently, requesting that he send a letter to the parole board for her husband, showing a valid offer and proof of job placement when he was released.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ At the time no one believed that “pure evil” would spawn from the passionate songs written, performed, and originated from one Charles Manson.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

.The Beach Boys themselves had already recorded one of Manson's songs, as Never Learn Not To Love, although without credit to Manson.^ The Beach Boys - 20-20 - 10 - Never Learn Not To Love.mp3 (written by Manson) .
  • MANSON - eBay (item 230404301661 end time Feb-23-10 16:03:45 PST) 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC cgi.ebay.com [Source type: General]

^ One Marilyn Manson song states: .
  • Good Fight Ministries - Marilyn Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.goodfight.org [Source type: Original source]

^ This allows anyone to remix the songs for non-commercial purposes, as long as they give proper credit to Manson, and issue it under the same license.

.More recently, artists including Guns N' Roses and Marilyn Manson have covered songs by Manson.^ Guns n' Roses covers a Manson song on thier album " The Spagettii Inncodent."
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

^ One Marilyn Manson song states: .
  • Good Fight Ministries - Marilyn Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.goodfight.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The cover-art is a painting by Manson, liner notes include excerpts from his letters, and, as the sites mentions, song titles and interludes are by friends or editors'.

Manson was sentenced to death, but that sentence was automatically commuted to life imprisonment when a 1972 court decision briefly eliminated the death penalty in California and canceled all death sentences pending in the state.[11] .California's eventual reinstatement of capital punishment was not retroactive; Manson is currently an inmate at Corcoran State Prison.^ Manson is currently incarcerated in California's Corcoran State Prison.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
  • Boards > Lifestyle > NEWS: Murderabilia: Charles Manson Demos Released, Sharon Tate Turns in Grave 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC suicidegirls.com [Source type: General]

^ Manson remains imprisoned, currently incarcerated in California's Corcoran State Prison.
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

^ He is currently an inmate at Corcoran State Prison in California, having been denied parole 10 times.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]

Contents

Early life

Childhood

.Charles Manson was born to an unmarried 16-year-old named Kathleen Maddox in Cincinnati General Hospital in Cincinnati, Ohio.^ Charles Milles Maddox was born at Cincinnati General Hospital in Cincinnati, Ohio, on November 12, 1934 to a 16-year-old unwed girl named Kathleen Maddox.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]

^ Now, to conclude, I am 16 years old.
  • Tofulator: Lost in Translation » Charles Manson’s Epic Question 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.tofulator.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Charles Manson was thirty-two years old.
  • Charles Milles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC members.shaw.ca [Source type: Original source]

.Initially, he was "no name Maddox."^ The pitiful words "no name Maddox" appear on his birth certificate.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[12][13][14] .On the Certificate of Live Birth recorded three weeks after he was born, his name was listed as Charles Milles Maddox.^ The pitiful words "no name Maddox" appear on his birth certificate.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Manson was born Charles Milles Maddox at Cincinnati General Hospital in Cincinnati, Ohio, on November 12, 1934 to an 18-year-old girl named Kathleen Maddox (a scan of an official copy of Manson's birth certificate can be found in the External Links section below).
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

^ The official name on his legal birth certficate was “No-name Maddox” even though his mother had decided to call to call him Charles Milles and had this placed on his unofficial "souvenir" birth certificate .
  • Spree Killer Charles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.karisable.com [Source type: General]

[12][15][16]
.For a brief time after her son's birth, Maddox was married to a laborer named William Manson.^ My father's name was William Manson.  .
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

^ The pitiful words "no name Maddox" appear on his birth certificate.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Shortly after her son's birth, Kathleen married William Manson, who provided the last name by which he is now known.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]

[16] .The elder Manson is named as Charles Manson's father on his Certificate of Live Birth, but eventually, Maddox filed a paternity suit against a "Colonel Scott" which resulted in an agreed judgment in 1937.[17] In the quasi-autobiographical Manson in His Own Words, Colonel Scott is described as "a young drugstore cowboy ...^ Boyfriend Joel Pugh and Charles Manson have both been named as the father.
  • Where are Manson's Children Now? - LAist 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC laist.com [Source type: General]

^ My father's name was William Manson.  .
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

^ The pitiful words "no name Maddox" appear on his birth certificate.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

a transient laborer working on a nearby dam project."[18] .It is not clear if Charles Manson ever knew Scott.^ Charles Manson knew this.

^ Charles Manson never knew his father and his single mother often abandoned him.
  • Cult News from Rick Ross » Charles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.cultnews.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ He had to come up with a way to convict Charles Manson of crimes which Mr. Bugliosi knew he was responsible for but for which Charles Manson had been very careful to distance himself from.

[12][14][19] .Several statements in Manson's 1951 case file from the seven months he would later spend at the National Training School for Boys in Washington, D.C., allude to the possibility that Scott was African American.^ When he was nine, he was caught stealing and sent to reform school and then later when he was twelve, he was caught stealing again and sent to the Gibault School for Boys in Terre Haute, Indiana, in 1947.

^ He began living on the streets, supporting himself by petty theft; in 1951, after a string of arrests and escapes, Manson fled to California, where he was apprehended and placed in the National Training School for Boys in Washington, D.C., a Federal juvenile facility, for driving a stolen car across state lines.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

^ This problem would blow up in Charles Manson’s face within the month.

[20] .Statements found in the family background section of the file read, "Father: unknown.^ Later, when I was older, I found a copy of Helter Skelter and read it when I was staying with family friends, while my parents were out of town.
  • Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Manson murders, 40 years later 25 September 2009 7:07 UTC hotair.com [Source type: General]

He is alleged to have been a colored cook by the name of Scott, with whom the boy's mother had been promiscuous at the time of pregnancy."[21] .When asked in 1971 about these records discovered by attorney Vincent Bugliosi, Manson emphatically denied his biological father was African American.^ The recordings include some of Manson's spoken word, and have been released by the so-called "Lupo Records," about which I couldn't find anything other than, well, this.
  • Boards > Lifestyle > NEWS: Murderabilia: Charles Manson Demos Released, Sharon Tate Turns in Grave 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC suicidegirls.com [Source type: General]

^ "These murders were probably the most bizarre in the recorded annals of American crime," said Vincent Bugliosi, the former deputy district attorney who prosecuted the killers and wrote the book Helter Skelter .
  • Manson followers haunted - Winnipeg Free Press 19 September 2009 14:014 UTC www.winnipegfreepress.com [Source type: General]

^ Prosecutor Bugliosi's first mistake was taking what the attention-craving Atkins said about Manson as gospel.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[22]
.Manson's mother was alleged to have been an alcoholic.^ His mother was an alcoholic prostitute who (by Manson's account) sold him for a pitcher of beer.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]

[12][23] .According to one of Manson's relatives, Maddox once sold her son for a pitcher of beer to a childless waitress.^ If Manson had been able to find where my son was once he could find him again, and he could send people to get to him.

^ "Manson made a lot of victims besides the ones he killed," said Catherine Share, who once lived with the Manson family under the nickname Gypsy.
  • Manson followers haunted - Winnipeg Free Press 19 September 2009 14:014 UTC www.winnipegfreepress.com [Source type: General]

^ Once again, one of Manson’s main problems was that he was still trying to avoid admitting to anyone he had shot, and presumably killed, a Black Panther.

.His uncle retrieved him some days later.^ A few days later Leslie refused to be interviewed by Dr. Skrdla and told Part she had replaced him with Reiner.

^ The two of them kept Hinman prisoner in his home until Beausoleil murdered him a couple of days later.

^ Once she him to a barmaid for a pitcher of beer (his uncle found him days later).
  • Spree Killer Charles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.karisable.com [Source type: General]

[24] .When Maddox and her brother were sentenced to five years imprisonment for robbing a Charleston, West Virginia service station in 1939, Manson was placed in the home of an aunt and uncle in McMechen, West Virginia.^ The DA who prosecuted Jack Ruby said he was expecting the standard five year sentence for second-degree homicide in Texas.
  • My Battle With Manson - The Daily Beast 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.thedailybeast.com [Source type: General]

^ In 1939, his mother and his uncle, Luther Maddox, were convicted of sexual assault and the holdup of a gas station.
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

^ When Kathleen and her brother were both sentenced to the penitentiary for armed robbery, Charlie got sent off to live with his aunt and uncle in McMechen, West Virginia.

.After being paroled in 1942, Maddox retrieved her son and the two lived in run-down hotel rooms.^ The O.T.O. also listed a run-down tavern, motel, store, and station at Vidal, California, approximately two miles from their commune.
  • Charles Manson and the Solar Lodge of the O.T.O. 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC user.cyberlink.ch [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ He had been down at Lime Kiln Creek and he had lived with hippies for two weeks, and smoked their grass, and probably enjoyed the sex and the relationships and the vibe.
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I was being promised by Manson that if I didn’t do what he told me to I wouldn’t live a year in prison and possibly my son would be harmed as well.

[12] .Manson later recalled her physical embrace of him on the day she returned from prison as his sole happy childhood memory.^ Manson spent much of his life in reformatories as a juvenile and later served prison sentences.
  • Cult News from Rick Ross » Charles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.cultnews.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Each call made Manson more and more upset and a few days later (finally) he reached Dennis Wilson on the phone.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

^ The two of them kept Hinman prisoner in his home until Beausoleil murdered him a couple of days later.

[24]
.In 1947, Maddox attempted to have her son placed in a foster home, but no placement was available.^ When he was thirteen, his mother (who had become an alcoholic) attempted to put him in a foster home.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]

^ His mother was the kind that children are taken away from and placed in foster homes.

[12] .The court then sent Manson to the Gibault School for Boys, in Terre Haute, Indiana.^ When he was nine, he was caught stealing and sent to reform school and then later when he was twelve, he was caught stealing again and sent to the Gibault School for Boys in Terre Haute, Indiana, in 1947.

^ A few more episodes like that landed Charlie in the Indiana School for Boys for three years.

^ The rest of your juvenile life was spent in various                         informatories, reformatories and boys schools in Pennsylvania and                         Indiana.
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

.Fleeing Gibault after 10 months, Manson went straight to his mother, but she rejected him.^ He refers to his mother’s rejection of him time and time again.

^ Rejected by a drug-addicted mother, Manson spent fully half of his life in juvenile facilities and adult detention.
  • My Battle With Manson - The Daily Beast 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.thedailybeast.com [Source type: General]

^ AM Rihanna "Manson took over 150 hours of Scientology courses, rejected it as too crazy, and then went on to murder a whole bunch of people.
  • The Top 10 Secret Celebrity Scientologists | Cracked.com 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.cracked.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[12][25] .More than two-decades later, during the Tate/LaBianca murder trial, a reporter for the Los Angeles Times tracked down Manson's mother, remarried and living in the Pacific Northwest.^ Manson has always maintained his non-involvement in the Tate-LaBianca murders.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]

^ There were two trials for the Tate-LaBianca murderers.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Los Angeles Times online article .

.Maddox told the reporter that in childhood her son had suffered no neglect, rather, that he had been "pampered by all the women who surrounded him."^ She once told a reporter that she gets up every morning and when she sees herself in the mirror, she sees a person who has destroyed life, and that that's what she deserves to see.
  • Manson Family member Susan Atkins: Should she be allowed to die outside prison? - Page 2 - DVD Talk Forum 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC forum.dvdtalk.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Report this comment #11 posted by Anonymous, August 3, 2009 11:01 AM I probably saw that same interview...all of the women seemed so...normal.
  • John Waters on his friendship with Manson Family murderer Leslie Van Houten - Boing Boing 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.boingboing.net [Source type: General]

^ No one who had anything worth taking wanted him anywhere near them.

[14]

First offenses

.Rejected by his mother, and on his own, Manson went to Indianapolis.^ Rejected by a drug-addicted mother, Manson spent fully half of his life in juvenile facilities and adult detention.
  • My Battle With Manson - The Daily Beast 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.thedailybeast.com [Source type: General]

^ AM Rihanna "Manson took over 150 hours of Scientology courses, rejected it as too crazy, and then went on to murder a whole bunch of people.
  • The Top 10 Secret Celebrity Scientologists | Cracked.com 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.cracked.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ In 1939, when Manson was only 4 years old, his mother went to prison for armed robbery.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[26] .Burglarizing a grocery store for food and cash, he rented a room, and continued his burglaries, breaking and entering several other stores in Indianapolis.^ In my whole life, I‘ve burglarized a grocery store, stole some nickels and dimes, busted open a stamp machine, stole a few automobiles, and cashed a couple checks.
  • 'MSNBC Live'  for Sept. 5 - Morning Joe- msnbc.com 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.msnbc.msn.com [Source type: General]

^ Back in '48 you went to                         Terre Haute, Indiana Boys School because of a burglary of a                         grocery store.
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

[27][28] His theft of a bicycle from one store led to his apprehension,[29] and he was sent to an Indianapolis juvenile center — from which he escaped after one day.[30]
.When he was recaptured, a Catholic priest he had met at the juvenile center wrote the court, persuading them to send him to the well-regarded Boys Town, in Omaha, Nebraska.^ The court arranged for him to go to Father Flanagan's Boys Town.

[31] His arrival at Boys Town resulted in a "page-one [newspaper] story" in an Indianapolis paper.[32] .However, four days later, Manson and another boy escaped, committing two armed robberies on their way to the home of the other boy's uncle.^ Another day in the life of Brian Manson….
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

^ INMATE MANSON: And do we get to do this back the other way?  .
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

^ Two others were killed at another home.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

[33]
.During the second of two grocery-store break-ins, Manson was again apprehended.^ During her 1977 trial Van Houten said that during that time she considered for two days whether she would participate in the murders Manson was orchestrating.

^ She was convicted of taking part in an August 21, 1971 holdup of a Hawthorne gun store to get weapons for breaking Manson out of jail.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

At age 13, he was sent to the Indiana School for Boys — "a bona fide reform school."[34] He later claimed that he was brutalized there, by harsh discipline, gratuitous mistreatment by a staff member, and sexual abuse.[35] After a number of failed attempts, Manson succeeded in escaping, with two other boys, in 1951.[33]
En route to California in stolen vehicles, the trio was caught in Utah, after having burglarized several gas stations. .For the federal crime of transporting a stolen vehicle across a state line, Manson was remanded to the National Training School for Boys in Washington, D.C..^ He began living on the streets, supporting himself by petty theft; in 1951, after a string of arrests and escapes, Manson fled to California, where he was apprehended and placed in the National Training School for Boys in Washington, D.C., a Federal juvenile facility, for driving a stolen car across state lines.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

^ He was ordered to serve his 10-year suspended sentence for passing stolen checks at the federal prison on McNeil Island in Washington state.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

^ She stated she had committed the crime so that Manson would appear as a witness at her trial, and thus have a worldwide platform from which to talk about his apocalyptic vision.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

.Despite four years of schooling, he was still illiterate; he had an I.Q. of 109 (later measured as 121).^ Thinking about it today, so many years later, it is still so.
  • Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders (Paperback) by Vincent Bugliosi - Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.goodreads.com [Source type: General]

^ Why is it that, almost 30 years later, the members of the press STILL can’t get it right?
  • Charles Manson: When I Get to the Bottom | Crawdaddy! 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.crawdaddy.com [Source type: General]
  • Charles Manson: When I Get to the Bottom | Crawdaddy! 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC crawdaddy.wolfgangsvault.com [Source type: General]

^ The heart of the Phoenix is still right there 36 years later.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

[33] His first caseworker at the school labeled him "aggressively antisocial".[33]

First imprisonment

.On a psychiatrist's recommendation, Manson was transferred in October 1951 to Natural Bridge Honor Camp, a minimum security detention center.^ And then when they put me in Washington, D.C., Dr. Hartman                         put me in Virginia, Natural Bridge Camp with a [inaudible] and that                         was in 1952 - '51.
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

Less than a month before his scheduled parole hearing in February, 1952, Manson "took a razor blade and held it against another boy's throat while he sodomized him."[24][33] Now considered dangerous, he was transferred to the Federal Reformatory, Petersburg, Virginia.[33] In September 1952, a number of other serious disciplinary offenses resulted in his transfer to the higher security Federal Reformatory at Chillicothe, Ohio[33]
.Approximately one month after the transfer, Manson transformed into a model resident.^ After being transferred to the Federal Reformatory in Petersburg, Virginia, and later to Chillicothe, Ohio, Manson became a model inmate, resulting in his parole in 1954 at the age of 20.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
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^ Manson got a gun and took one of the early members of the Family, a young man named T.J. Walleman, and he went down into the San Fernando Valley .

^ This clip runs almost twenty minutes, but it’s worth it to get more insight into the one Manson Family member that refused to murder: .
  • Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Manson murders, 40 years later 25 September 2009 7:07 UTC hotair.com [Source type: General]

.Good work habits and a rise in his educational level from the lower fourth to the upper seventh grade earned him parole in May 1954.[33] As a condition of his parole, Manson was ordered to live with his aunt and uncle in West Virginia.^ His aunt had agreed to take care of him and his chances for parole were good.

^ After being transferred to the Federal Reformatory in Petersburg, Virginia, and later to Chillicothe, Ohio, Manson became a model inmate, resulting in his parole in 1954 at the age of 20.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
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^ When Kathleen and her brother were both sentenced to the penitentiary for armed robbery, Charlie got sent off to live with his aunt and uncle in McMechen, West Virginia.

After only briefly honoring that condition, he moved in with his mother, also in West Virginia. .Then, in January 1955, he married a hospital cafeteria waitress named Rosalie Jean Willis.^ In January 1955, Manson married 17-year-old Rosalie Jean Willis, and decided to move to California.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

^ Children: Charles Milles Manson, Jr. Rosalie Jean Willis), Charles Luther Manson (mother Leona), Valentine Michael “Pooh Bear” Manson (mother Mary Brunner).
  • Adopted man claims Charles Manson is his father | Mutate 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC mutateweb.com [Source type: News]

.He later stated that he felt he had found real happiness with her.^ The paramedics arrived real quick [after being discovered 2 hours later] and found no pulse or heart beat.
  • Suicide or Murder p.2 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC thestraights.com [Source type: Original source]

[24] .Manson supported the two of them via small jobs and auto theft.^ In 1951, Charlie and two other boys escaped and headed for California living entirely by burglary and auto theft.

^ Two M’s for Marilyn Manson or is each M actually a large “H” and a small “h” pushed together standing for “Heil, heil” or “Heil Hitler”?
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

[33]
.After stealing a car in Ohio, Manson drove the vehicle to Los Angeles, in the summer of 1955 with his pregnant wife.^ One of them he took to Los Angeles with his then pregnant wife.

^ Early in 1955, he married a waitress who bore him a son, Charles Manson, Jr. Charlie worked at various low-paying jobs and augmented his income by stealing cars.

^ (Author) "AROUND JULY 22, 1955, Charles Manson drove a stolen 1951 Mercury from Bridgeport, Ohio to Los Angeles, bringing with him his seventeen-year-old pregnant wife, Rosalie..."
  • Amazon.com: The Family (9781560253969): Ed Sanders: Books 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.amazon.com [Source type: General]

.Three months later, he was once again federally charged with taking a stolen vehicle interstate.^ Three months later he was returned to "The Hole" pending an investigation of another alleged plot to assassinate the President.

^ Seven months later he was back in "The Hole" once again, charged with further "illegal business dealings" and served another two months.

^ Once again, he was given probation, which was revoked nine months later.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
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.Following a psychiatric evaluation, Manson was given five years probation.^ Considerable media attention has been given to Charles Manson’s ability to “control the minds of his followers.” His ability to “brainwash” people.

^ As thirty-five years come and go, in some circles it is actually debated whether Charles Manson participated in the crimes at all.

^ It is interesting what Karpis wrote about Manson in his memoirs "On the Rock: Twenty-five Years at Alcatraz" (written with Robert Livesey, published in 1980): .
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]

.His subsequent failure to appear at a Los Angeles hearing on an identical charge filed in Florida resulted in his March 1956 arrest in Indianapolis.^ He was never even charged much less convicted of any of the murders that occurred that August night in Los Angeles.
  • The American Meaning of Charley Manson « The Manson “Family” Blog 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC fromspahnranch.wordpress.com [Source type: Original source]

^ As I already mentioned, Linda Kasabian heard about the arrests and returned to Los Angeles to retrieve her daughter.

^ And when Charles Manson and the others were arrested in Los Angeles they put this young boy, Charles Watson, in the jail with his cousin to take care of him.
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]
  • WHO WAS CHARLIE MANSON! 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.think-aboutit.com [Source type: Original source]

.Manson's probation was revoked, and he was sentenced to three years' imprisonment at the Federal Correctional Institution, Terminal Island, San Pedro, California.^ Manson was paroled in 1958 after serving two years of a three-year sentence.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

^ They had served together at Terminal Island 1956-57, when Emmons was 28 and Manson 21.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Sandra Good Was convicted of "issuing threatening communications through interstate commerce" in 1975 and served ten years at the Federal Correctional Institute, Terminal Island, California.

[33]
While Manson was in prison, Willis gave birth to their only child, Charles Manson Jr. During his first year at Terminal Island, Manson would receive visits from his wife and his mother, who were now living together in Los Angeles. .In March 1957, after the visits from his wife ceased, Maddox informed Manson his wife was living with another man.^ Springer stayed clear of Manson after that, but mentioned that Danny DeCarlo, another member of the motorcycle gang lived at the Spahn Ranch with the Family.

^ About that time, Manson found George Spahn and conned the old man into letting him and his followers live on the Ranch.

^ Fearful of losing yet another man, Manson's mother placed her son in the custody of the state when he was 12.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.Less than two weeks before a scheduled parole hearing, Manson tried to escape by stealing a car.^ Manson's next parole hearing is scheduled for 2012.
  • Aging Charles Manson captured in prison photo | L.A. Now | Los Angeles Times 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC latimesblogs.latimes.com [Source type: General]

^ Over and over, this person who had just attempted suicide less than 12 hours before, was being told how worthless he was.
  • Suicide or Murder p.2 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC thestraights.com [Source type: Original source]

^ When asked, during that same parole hearing, what she thought he had planned to do with the CDC uniform she said she thought that he had planned to try and break her out, but that she had no knowledge of his plan.

.He was then given five years probation, and his parole was denied.^ Murderer Susan Atkins was denied parole September 2nd, 2009 for 3 years.

^ I would respectfully ask the Board to find Mr. Manson unsuitable for                         parole and to give him the maximum five year denial.
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

^ By those actions and                         attitudes, he has demonstrated unquestionably that he is deserving                         of a unanimous finding of unsuitability by the Board and the                         maximum five year denial.  .
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

[33]

Second imprisonment

.Manson received five years parole in September 1958, the same year in which Willis received a divorce decree.^ Manson was paroled in 1958 after serving two years of a three-year sentence.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

^ In January 1955, Manson married 17-year-old Rosalie Jean Willis, and decided to move to California.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

^ Manson endures, even as a sixty-year old, comparatively passive prisoner, unlikely to ever be paroled.

.By November, he was pimping out a 16-year-old girl and was receiving additional support from a girl with wealthy parents.^ Just a Jesus believing mom to a 10 year old girl.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

^ Or why Charles Manson is unknown, this illegitimate child of a sixteen year-old girl, no family or kin.

^ Two years later, Kathleen filed suit against Colonel Scott of Ashland, KY, for child support, which she was awarded, but never received.

.In September 1959, he pleaded guilty to a charge of attempting to cash a forged U.S. Treasury check.^ In 1959, Manson was arrested on two federal charges: stealing a check from a mailbox and attempting to cash a U.S. Treasury check for $37.50 This time Manson was lucky, a young woman pretended she was pregnant and pleaded with the judge to keep him out of jail.

Manson then received a 10-year suspended sentence and probation after a young prostitute named Leona made a "tearful plea" before the court the she and Manson were "deeply in love". She further stated that they "...would marry if Charlie were freed."[33] Before the year's end, Manson and Leona did marry, possibly so testimony against him would not be required of her.[33] .Although Manson's new wife's given name was "Leona", as a prostitute, she had used the alias Candy Stevens.^ But the news media associates the name Charles Manson.

^ The drummer boys that Manson uses in his video, “This is the New Shit”, are straight out of a Nazi Propaganda Film by Leni Riefenstahl, “Triumph des Willens” (Triumph of the Will).
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

^ Although I would say that in fact Manson was the figurehead of whatever group existed at any given time, characterizing them as his harem isn't at all accurate.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

.After Manson took Stevens and another woman from California to New Mexico for purposes of prostitution, he was held and questioned for violating the Mann Act.^ They look forward to another blood bath wherein a new world order will be established with Satanists acting as masters.
  • Good Fight Ministries - Marilyn Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.goodfight.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In a tacit acknowledgement of cult “brainwashing” another judge in California granted the release last year of a woman charged with the death of her small child to receive “deprogramming.” .
  • Cult News from Rick Ross » Charles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.cultnews.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ This time Manson took up a new occupation — pimping.

Though he was released, he suspected the investigation had not ended. .Indeed, the investigation into his activities had not ended and when he disappeared, in violation of his probation, a bench warrant was issued for Manson's arrest.^ The best part of the book is Bugliosi's investigation into Manson's motive for the killings which is so totally bizarre and far out it would never work in fiction.
  • Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders (Paperback) by Vincent Bugliosi - Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.goodreads.com [Source type: General]

^ Wilson welcoming Manson into his house and many times let Manson and the “family” stay there weeks on end, and the party…began.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

^ Former Manson clan member Catherine Louise Como, 37, was the object of a search by federal authorities Wednesday after a bench warrant was issued for her arrest on a charge of bail jumping.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

.In April 1960, he was indicted for violating the Mann Act.^ His crimes quickly escalated to major offenses, including Mann Act violations.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

[33] .When one of the women he was pimping was arrested in Laredo, Texas in June 1960, Manson was also arrested and returned to Los Angeles.^ On June 1, 1960, Manson was arrested for solicitation of prostitution.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

^ Atkins was placed in the Sybil Brand Institute, a Los Angeles women's house of detention, to await indictment and trial.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ T his is how Manson views himself… his own words from the book ( Manson In His Own Words ): Sadie ( one of the Manson circle of friends ) decided to cash in on an opportunity and sold her story called “ Two Nights of Murder ” published by the Los Angeles Times.

.For the probation violation in relation to the check-cashing charge, he was ordered to serve out his 10-year sentence.^ Chavis Muhammad (b.1948), a member of the Wilmington 10, was sentenced in 1972 to 34 years in prison.
  • Timeline 1971 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC timelines.ws [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Should have been put to death as originally ordered based on the laws at the time, when the death penalty was reinstated then the sentences should have been carried out properly.
  • Aging Charles Manson captured in prison photo | L.A. Now | Los Angeles Times 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC latimesblogs.latimes.com [Source type: General]

^ Check out the quote: "I took a couple courses a number of years ago that I thought were fabulous.
  • The Top 10 Secret Celebrity Scientologists | Cracked.com 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.cracked.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[33]
.In July 1961, after a year spent unsuccessfully appealing the revocation of his probation, Manson was transferred from the Los Angeles County Jail to the United States Penitentiary at McNeil Island in Washington State.^ I am 48 years old, from Washington State.

^ Marilyn Manson is a band based in Los Angeles, California, in the United States.
  • Marilyn Manson (band) - MansonWiki, the Marilyn Manson encyclopedia 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.mansonwiki.com [Source type: General]

^ They have spent 40 years in jail.
  • Beverly Hills Matchmaker Spills about Manson Family Member Susan Atkins - Los Angeles News - LA Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC blogs.laweekly.com [Source type: General]

.Although the Mann Act charge had been dropped, the federal charge of attempt to cash the Treasury check remained.^ In 1959, Manson was arrested on two federal charges: stealing a check from a mailbox and attempting to cash a U.S. Treasury check for $37.50 This time Manson was lucky, a young woman pretended she was pregnant and pleaded with the judge to keep him out of jail.

.In Manson's September 1961 annual review at the penitentiary, it was noted that he had a "tremendous drive to call attention to himself". That observation was echoed in a September, 1964 review.^ His record there described Manson as having "a tremendous drive to call attention to himself."
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]

^ His record there described Charlie as having "a tremendous drive to call attention to himself.

^ "Pattern of instability continues...intense need to call attention to himself...fanatical interests"; then finally, (1966) "Manson is about to complete his ten-year term.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]

[33] In 1963, Stevens was granted a divorce from Manson. .In the divorce documents, Stevens alleged that she and Manson's marriage had produced a son, Charles Luther Manson.^ And it produces the risk of making Charles Manson the hero of misguided young people who don’t actually know anything about him.

^ Through his minions, and then later in person, Charles Manson told me it would be “better for everyone,” including myself and my son if I recanted my Grand Jury testimony.

^ LaVey’s son-in-law, Nikolas Schreck and daughter, Zeena, made an apologetic documentary of Charlie Manson, entitled “Charles Manson Superstar”.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

[33]
Manson has claimed that while at McNeil Island he became interested in "understanding and knowing [his] own mind"[36] and "began paying attention to individuals as well as beliefs."[37] One of the beliefs he became interested in there was Scientology and learned about the group's philosophies from a cellmate.[38] In an evaluation conducted by the penitentiary staff, Manson stated his religion as "Scientologist".[39] According to a progress report of September 1961, however, "he never remain[ed] long enough with any given teachings to reap meaningful benefits."[40] Bruce Davis, one of Manson's principal collaborators in the Hinman and Shea slayings, was involved in Scientology in London from November or December 1968 to April 1969 but was expelled from Scientology, allegedly for using illegal drugs.[41]
.Manson was sent again to Terminal Island in 1966 for preparation of his early release.^ They had served together at Terminal Island 1956-57, when Emmons was 28 and Manson 21.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Manson was entitled to a parole hearing in 2002, and was denied early release, in particular due to a "litany" of offenses ranging from drug trafficking to [[arson to assaulting guards.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]

^ Possible release of terminally ill ex-Manson family member Susan Atkins fuels outcry .

.By his March 21, 1967 release day, Charles Manson had spent more than half of his 32 years of life in prisons and other institutions.^ Laura Bush has killed more people than Charles Manson.
  • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Scientology is crazier than Charles Manson.
  • The Top 10 Secret Celebrity Scientologists | Cracked.com 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.cracked.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Prior to the Tate-LaBianca murders, Manson had already spent more than half his life (approximately 17 years) in Federal prison — at one point in 1967 asking not to be released.
  • Charles Manson Biography 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.focusdep.com [Source type: General]

[33] .Telling authorities that prison had become a home for him he requested permission to stay.^ Prison had become his home, he told them.
  • Charles Milles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC members.shaw.ca [Source type: Original source]

^ The Board Of Prison Terms believes they will tell the truth, after all, the inmate wants to go home.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Helter Skelter 1974 by Curt Gentry and Vincent Bugliosi : The morning Charles Manson was to be freed, he begged the authorities to let him remain in prison.
  • Charles Milles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC members.shaw.ca [Source type: Original source]

His request was denied.[33]

The Manson Family

.In anticipation for when he would be released from prison, Manson requested to relocate to San Francisco, California.^ In 1976, while at the state prison in Tracy , California , BeauSoleil resumed his earlier collaboration with Kenneth Anger, nearly ten years after their parting of ways in San Francisco .
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ All I really knew about Manson was that he was sentenced to life in prison and was incarcerated at the California Medical Facility in Vacaville.
  • David Macaray: Charles Manson and Me 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.counterpunch.org [Source type: General]

^ The notion that the LA DAs office would be covering up a massive crime up in San Francisco, for financial reasons, I mean, my God.
  • Zodiac Killer - Suspect Manson - Bruce Davis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.zodiackillerfacts.com [Source type: Original source]

His request was granted. .With the help of a former prison acquaintance, Manson moved into an apartment in Berkeley, on the other side of the bay from San Francisco.^ Shortly after graduating from the University of Wisconsin, she moved to California to accept a librarian position at UC Berkeley, it was there that she met Charles Manson, he somehow managed to convince her to let him stay at her apartment.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ Request denied, Manson soon found a hospitable environment for his increasingly delusional world view in San Francisco’s Haight Ashbury.
  • My Battle With Manson - The Daily Beast 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.thedailybeast.com [Source type: General]

^ Manson, on the other hand, had promised himself that he was not going back to prison.

As quoted in the book, Manson in His Own Words, Manson claimed he had once been taught the basics of playing the guitar by "a Mexican friend."[42][43] While at McNeil Island, bank robber and former member of the Ma Barker gang, Alvin Karpis, had taught Manson "a few chords."[44][33][45] Combining his guitar-playing skills with panhandling around the streets of Berkeley. .It was there that Manson soon became acquainted with Mary Brunner, a 23-year-old graduate of the University of Wisconsin–Madison.^ This is where Manson met Mary Brunner, a librarian who he described as a slim red head straight laced type.

^ After hitching a ride to Berkeley, he met up with 23-year-old Mary Brunner, a recent graduate of the University of Wisconsin who had moved to Berkeley and was working as a librarian at the University of California.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Shortly after graduating from the University of Wisconsin, she moved to California to accept a librarian position at UC Berkeley, it was there that she met Charles Manson, he somehow managed to convince her to let him stay at her apartment.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

.Brunner was working as an assistant librarian at UC Berkeley.^ After hitching a ride to Berkeley, he met up with 23-year-old Mary Brunner, a recent graduate of the University of Wisconsin who had moved to Berkeley and was working as a librarian at the University of California.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.Moving from being acquaintances to friends, Manson and Brunner moved in together.^ This was after Manson had left Topanga and moved into the Spahn Ranch—they were taking care of George Spahn in return for being able to live there.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

.According to a second-hand account, Manson would bring other women in to live with them, in spite of Brunner's resistance.^ I couldn't even conceive of living in exile in Canada, although I'd done some volunteer work with a group called the Philadelphia Resistance assisting others in doing just that.
  • Alan Cabal: How Charles Manson Kept Me Out of Vietnam 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.counterpunch.org [Source type: General]

^ It would not be much of a stretch to apply the model of the Manson family to other institutions that have been tarnished such as government, education and religion.

^ And finally, if Bobby killed Gary then Manson would have something on Bobby that would assure that Bobby wouldn’t tell anyone that Manson had killed Bernard Crowe – Bobby’s hands would be dirty too.

[46] .Before long, Brunner and Manson were sharing their residence with 18 other women.^ We have already observed that Manson is a member of the church of Satan and that his Satanism was a reality long before he became a rock performer.
  • Good Fight Ministries - Marilyn Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.goodfight.org [Source type: Original source]

^ The fact that she was there, “sharing” that animal with other women, suggests a deep sociopathic flaw.
  • Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Manson murders, 40 years later 25 September 2009 7:07 UTC hotair.com [Source type: General]

^ In the end, despite my fears, I agreed to testify before the Grand Jury in order to indict Manson and the others responsible for the crimes.

[46]
.Manson established himself as a guru in San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury district;[citation needed] the emerging signature hippie locale during 1967's "Summer of Love". Expounding a philosophy that included some of the Scientology he had studied while in prison,[47] Manson soon had his first group of young followers, most of them female.^ Yes, after the so-called Summer of Love in 1967 .
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ While some from the group stayed at Barker, the majority, including Manson, were soon back at Spahn.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ It is not well-known, but Charlie Manson studied Scientology for a while, when he was in prison.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

[33]
.Before the end of the Summer of Love, Manson and eight to nine of his enthusiasts piled into an old school bus they had refashioned in appearance to a hippie style with colored rugs and pillows in place of the seat that had been removed.^ I turned 7 years old in the May entering into “The Summer of Love”.
  • Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Manson murders, 40 years later 25 September 2009 7:07 UTC hotair.com [Source type: General]

^ I absolutely cannot change that I was something at 19 and what I am at 33 is irrelevant because the one that they loved ended when I was 19.

^ For many observers this marked the end of the 60s 'Flower Power' and the hippie culture of peace and love, and also the entering into the grimmer era of the 70s, 80s and 90s.

.Roaming as far north as Washington State, the group then travelled southward through Los Angeles, California, Mexico, and parts of the Southwestern United States.^ During 1968 and early 1969, the group traveled along the California coast, but also made excursions to Oregon, Washington, and Nevada before finally settling down at Spahn Ranch, near the Los Angeles suburb of Chatsworth.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ It is interesting that the Swastika and, at least in part, the ideas of the Aryan Master Race ( Gobineau in France also contributed ), and even Eugenics came from the United States to Europe.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

^ As for Charles Manson, now in California's Corcoran State Prison, he is still said to get four fan letters a day; more mail than any prisoner in the United States.

.Returning to the Los Angeles area, they lived in Topanga Canyon, Malibu and Venice, California.^ Does she live in the Los Angeles area?
  • Big Hollywood » Blog Archive » Debating Leftists is Like Debating Charles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC bighollywood.breitbart.com [Source type: General]

^ Just about everybody in the Topanga Canyon area knew each other.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ The police department didn't even have any clue in this murder at all; They didn't even want it; I know the Los Angeles Police Department didn't want to find them.
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]

[46]
.In an alternative account of his life shortly after his release from prison, Manson acquired Family members during months of travels undertaken, in part, in a Volkswagen van.^ He is not related to Manson or any family member.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ Shortly after their release from jail members of the Manson Family murdered Donald "Shorty" Shea.

^ The newest member of the Manson Family?
  • Adoptee Discovers Dad is Charles Manson | Drudge Retort 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.drudge.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

He was apparently accompanied by Brunner. .It was November when the school bus set out from San Francisco with the enlarged group.^ Charles Milles Manson (born November 12, 1934 as Charles Milles Maddox) was the founder and leader of the "Manson Family," a hippie cult he began in San Francisco in 1967.
  • Charles Manson - Monstropedia - the largest encyclopedia about monsters 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.monstropedia.org [Source type: General]

^ What this turned out to be was perhaps the most remarkable event that I experienced in San Francisco, the "Human Be-in" notwithstanding.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ LSD and amphetamines were additional tools by which Charlie altered their personalities to his needsIn spring of 1968, Manson and his followers left San Francisco in an old school bus and traveled around.

[48]

Involvement with Wilson, Melcher, et al.

.The events that would culminate in the murders were set in motion in late spring of 1968. These events began when, by some accounts, Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys' picked up two hitchhiking Manson women and brought them to his Pacific Palisades house for a few hours.^ Manson and some of the young women often stayed at Wilson's place.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ That would account for ten murders.

^ Sometime in 1968, Manson met Dennis Wilson, a member of the famous Beach Boys rock group.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.Returning home in the early hours the next morning from a recording session, Wilson was greeted in the driveway of his own residence by Manson after he emerged from Wilson's house.^ Early next morning (August 12) Manson sought her out.
  • Suicide or Murder p.2 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC thestraights.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The next night, Manson rode along with his so-called family members to the Los Feliz home of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, then left three of them to commit the murders.
  • Aging Charles Manson captured in prison photo | L.A. Now | Los Angeles Times 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC latimesblogs.latimes.com [Source type: General]

^ Wilson also presented Manson with some of his gold records.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.Uncomfortable, Wilson asked the stranger whether he intended to hurt him.^ I asked him whether I was supposed to serve that before or after my death penalty.

^ Wilson asked “are you going to hurt me?” and the stranger bent down and kissed Dennis Wilson’s feet then introduced himself as Charles Manson and that he had been providing Dennis Wilson with his (i.e.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

^ But when the Judge asked me if I understood I was pleading guilty to going to Gary’s house intending to kill him, I told him the truth.

.Assuring him he had no such intent, Manson began kissing Wilson's feet.^ Manson had done no such thing.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ No one would know how Charles Manson would get such a famous Beverly Hills attorney to visit him before he was paroled.
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I'd met Dennis Wilson, and Manson had met him independently.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

[49][50] .Inside the house, Wilson discovered 12 strangers, mostly women.^ When he entered his house, he discovered several young women and one scruffy, middle-aged man there.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[49][50]
.Over a period of the next few months the number of visitors to Wilson's home doubled.^ They [the Family] stayed for several months [at Dennis Wilson's house], during which time the group more than doubled in number.

^ Fairfax County, Virginia had two double suicides of teenage boys in an 18 month period.
  • Suicide or Murder p.2 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC thestraights.com [Source type: Original source]

.During this time, the Family members who had made themselves part of Wilson's Sunset Boulevard household and Wilson would sing and talk with Manson, while Manson's women were treated as servants to them both.^ He is not related to Manson or any family member.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ The members of the Manson family allowed themselves to be used by Charlie.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ He is man who clearly deserves the death penalty, and was saved by legal technicalities, oh, if only California voters had moved to reinstate the death penalty at that time, Manson would make the short list for sure.
  • Charles Manson: When I Get to the Bottom | Crawdaddy! 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.crawdaddy.com [Source type: General]
  • Charles Manson: When I Get to the Bottom | Crawdaddy! 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC crawdaddy.wolfgangsvault.com [Source type: General]

[49] .In the book, Manson in His Own Words, Manson's recollection is that he first met Wilson at a friend's house in San Francisco where Manson had gone to obtain marijuana.^ San Francisco had its own style and sound.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ He and I had become friends; I met him after he’d met Manson.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Manson, in his own words , pg.

.There, Wilson allegedly gave Manson his Sunset Boulevard address and invited him to stop by when in Los Angeles.^ There had already been the riots on Sunset Boulevard.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ I'd met Dennis Wilson, and Manson had met him independently.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Until O.J. Simpson turned up, Manson probably was Los Angeles' biggest homicidal celebrity.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

[24]
.Regardless of how Wilson and Manson met, Wilson's "visitors" eventually cost him around $100,000.[citation needed] Among the expenses Wilson became responsible for was a large medical bill for treatment of the gonorrhea that had been communally contracted and $21,000 for the destruction of one of his vehicles.^ I'd met Dennis Wilson, and Manson had met him independently.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ He and I had become friends; I met him after he’d met Manson.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Eventually, Wilson became uncomfortable with Manson and his girls and told them to split.

.The car, which had been borrowed by Manson Family members, was uninsured.^ The newest member of the Manson Family?
  • Adoptee Discovers Dad is Charles Manson | Drudge Retort 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.drudge.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ He is not related to Manson or any family member.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ The next night, Manson rode along with his so-called family members to the Los Feliz home of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, then left three of them to commit the murders.
  • Aging Charles Manson captured in prison photo | L.A. Now | Los Angeles Times 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC latimesblogs.latimes.com [Source type: General]

[51]
.Wilson also paid for studio time to record songs written by Manson and performed by Manson and his family members.^ The newest member of the Manson Family?
  • Adoptee Discovers Dad is Charles Manson | Drudge Retort 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.drudge.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ He is not related to Manson or any family member.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ He met Manson and the family and heard Manson's song.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

.Wilson also introduced Manson to his entertainment business acquaintances, including Gregg Jakobson, Rudi Altobelli, and Terry Melcher.^ Dennis also introduced Manson to his acquaintances in the entertainment business.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

^ Through Wilson, Manson met Doris Day's son, record producer Terry Melcher and his associate, talent scout Gregg Jakobson.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Altobelli admonished Manson for bothering his tenants and told him he didn't know where Terry Melcher had moved.

.Jakobson, who was impressed by "the whole Charlie Manson package" of artist/lifestylist/philosopher, also paid to record Manson's music.^ Who designed Charlie Manson?
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Charlie Guenther was the man who really broke the Manson case.

^ We have received the picture of “Charles Edokpa” and I have given it to Charlie Manson who will be very pleased to discover how much Charles Edokpa like to felch wombats.
  • Pastor Chris Scam 11 September 2009 22:022 UTC users.aristotle.net [Source type: Original source]

[52][53][54][55] .During this time period, Altobelli was also a landlord who owned a house in Benedict Canyon that he was renting to Melcher.^ In fact, after the bungling of the crimes – which covered a relatively short period of time – the wrangling and maneuvering and manipulation during the trial was where the real dramatics began.

^ That it began to come out more and more often was an indicator of the things being said by the young people who began joining the Family during this time.

^ They [the Family] stayed for several months [at Dennis Wilson's house], during which time the group more than doubled in number.

.After Melcher moved out of the home on Cielo Drive, Altobelli rented it to film director Roman Polanski and his wife, actress Sharon Tate.^ Tate and her husband, director Roman Polanski.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ Sharon Tate loved this place on Cielo Drive.

^ Polanski along with his wife, an exquisitely lovely minor actress named Sharon Tate, were renting the residence.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[49]
.Giving the reason that Wilson's lease was due to expire, Wilson's manager ordered the Family to vacate the now-communal residence in August, 1968.[56] Charles Manson and his "family" were now forced to find another place to live.^ But Leslie and her family are also among Charles Manson's victims.

^ Partly because of his help in finding Shea's corpse, Grogan became the only person associated with the so-called "Manson Family" murders to be released when he was paroled in 1985.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ By Denise Nix Staff writer Daily Breeze He was a key prosecutor in the Charles Manson family murder trials.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

Spahn Ranch

.Almost in anticipation of himself and his followers being kicked out of Dennis Wilson's home, Manson established a base for the group at Spahn's Movie Ranch, above Topanga Canyon by August 1968.[56] After leaving Wilson's home, the Family was then consolidated at Spahn.^ He [Wilson] also spent some time out at the [Spahn] ranch with us."
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Spahn Ranch The original headquarters of the Manson family is also on the market.

^ The investigation lead to the Spahn Ranch, which was the home of a hippie group that called itself the Manson Family.

[49]
.Formerly a much-used set for Western movies and television shows, the ranch had fallen on hard times by 1968. The buildings were in a state of deterioration and as a business, the ranch was used only for providing horseback rides.^ Somehow he'd become hooked up with one of the girls at the Ranch—Susan Atkins, as a matter of fact, -and he lived in one of the rooms in the Western front town that was set up at Spahn Ranch as a movie set.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ But Van Bebber is so effective at painting the atmosphere around the Spahn Ranch, I had to ask myself, "At that time, in that place, under that much influence...

^ After examining the structural diagrams of the orphanage that you provided us with, we have noticed that the building only contains two bedrooms, each of which measure 12 x 12 feet.
  • Pastor Chris Scam 11 September 2009 22:022 UTC users.aristotle.net [Source type: Original source]

[57] .While Family members did helpful work around the grounds, Manson instructed some of the women to have sex with the owner, a near-blind octogenarian named George Spahn.^ He is not related to Manson or any family member.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ He worked at the Spahn Ranch and was not a member of the Manson Family.

^ Did Manson love women?

.The women also acted as seeing-eye guides for Spahn, who allowed Manson and the group to stay at the ranch for free.^ The man had remembered the car and the license plate, which was traced to a Spahn Ranch employee, who had let Manson and his girls borrow his car.

^ I wasn't even sure at that point—really, I had no idea who had done it until Manson's group were actually arrested for it.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Did Manson see what he'd done as just an act of taking control of the situation?
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

[58][59] .One of the women was Lynette Fromme, an early Family member who had joined the group in San Francisco.^ With Charlie in jail, Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme, one of his earliest recruits, became the de facto head of the group and would later gain fame for trying to shoot President Gerald Ford in 1975.
  • My Battle With Manson - The Daily Beast 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.thedailybeast.com [Source type: General]

^ The Family members not on trial - Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, Catherine "Gypsy" Share, Ruth Ann Moorehouse, Steve "Clem" Grogan and Sandra Good - took the stand and put the blame for the murders on Linda Kasabian who had been the prosecution's star witness, telling of both nights of murder.

^ She was one of the most talented members of the Manson group - an outstanding violinist and a magnificent singer.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: December 2006 19 September 2009 14:014 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

Because of her habit of emitting a squeaking sound when Spahn pinched her thigh, she was given the nickname "Squeaky."[46][51]
.The Family was soon joined at the ranch by Charles Watson,[56] a small-town-Texas college drop-out who had recently come to California.^ Charles Manson, Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten were soon charged with the other grisly murders.
  • Beverly Hills Matchmaker Spills about Manson Family Member Susan Atkins - Los Angeles News - LA Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC blogs.laweekly.com [Source type: General]

^ An angry Crowe phoned Spahn Ranch and demanded to speak to Watson, who was not there.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Probably the most “famous” individual that was murdered by Charles Manson’s Family was (actress) Sharon Tate who was living at the home that “Terry” had previously (note: he had moved out a few weeks prior).
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

[60] .Watson had met Manson after he had picked up a hitchhiking Dennis Wilson who was on foot because of his cars being wrecked by Manson Family members.^ I'd met Dennis Wilson, and Manson had met him independently.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ At various times, Manson had been by the property in a car with Dennis Wilson.

^ He is not related to Manson or any family member.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

.After being picked up by Watson, Wilson invited him to his home and it was then that Watson first met Manson.^ Wilson had a habit of picking up hitchhikers.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Howard Davis had been telling his story of a Zodiac/Manson conspiracy and official cover-up since as far back as 1997, when his book THE ZODIAC/MANSON CONNECTION first appeared.
  • Zodiac Killer - Suspect Manson - Bruce Davis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.zodiackillerfacts.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Leslie is unsure if Watson went into the home with him then or not.

[56] It was after the Family's move to Spahn Ranch that Watson received his nickname, "Tex" - a name given him by ranch owner George Spahn because of Watson's recognizable Texas-drawl[57]

Helter Skelter

.During the first days of November 1968, Manson established the Family away from Spahn at two alternative headquarters in Death Valley - Myers Ranch and Barker Ranch; each little or unused at the time.^ Manson and his minions stayed at three ranches in Death Valley the old Spahn Movie Ranch, Barker Ranch and Myers Ranch.
  • Zodiac Killer - Suspect Manson - Bruce Davis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.zodiackillerfacts.com [Source type: Original source]

^ What was the name of the ranch in Death Valley where the Family stayed in their final days?
  • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Spahn Ranch The original headquarters of the Manson family is also on the market.

[55][61] .Myers Ranch, to which the group had initially headed, was owned by the grandmother of a Cathy Gillies, a new Family member.^ He was so angry and abusive to T.J. when they got back to Spahn’s Ranch that T.J., a long time member of the Family and a friend, left in the middle of the night out of fear for his life.

^ By the way, I have several friends whom I do not discuss with others…Cathy Gillies, Dianne Lake , inside the Family, the LaBianca and Tate family outside.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ I have never personally heard any Manson Family member speak of any bodies being buried at Barker Ranch.

.Barker Ranch was owned by an elderly, local woman to whom Manson presented himself and a male Family member as musicians in need of a suitable place for their "work". The owner agreed to let them stay on the condition that they would help in fixing up the place.^ He is not related to Manson or any family member.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ He worked at the Spahn Ranch and was not a member of the Manson Family.

^ The newest member of the Manson Family?
  • Adoptee Discovers Dad is Charles Manson | Drudge Retort 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.drudge.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.Manson then gave her a Beach Boys' gold record,[61] one of several he had received from Dennis Wilson.^ Wilson also presented Manson with some of his gold records.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Dennis Wilson of the famous Beach Boys.

^ Manson also gave her one of Wilson's gold records.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[62]
.By the end of December 1968, Manson and Watson visited an acquaintance in Topanga Canyon who introduced them to The Beatles newly-released White Album.^ It begins with the Beatles, and with the Beatles’ celebrated White Album that came out in 1968.
  • The American Meaning of Charley Manson « The Manson “Family” Blog 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC fromspahnranch.wordpress.com [Source type: Original source]

^ He considered Paul, John, Ringo, and George the “four angels” in the Book of Revelation, and when their "White Album" was released in December 1968, he found hidden meaning in its lyrics about “revolution,” “piggies,” and “Helter Skelter.” In his demented view, the album’s message was that Armageddon was nigh, and Manson sought to hasten it by provoking a race war.
  • My Battle With Manson - The Daily Beast 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.thedailybeast.com [Source type: General]

^ Manson called this conflict Helter Skelter, named so for a song by the Beatles on the WHITE ALBUM .

[55][63][64] .Despite being 29 years old and imprisoned when the Beatles first came to America in 1964, Manson was obsessed with the group.^ Swedish Lutherans who came to Delaware were the first to build log cabins in America.
  • Today in History March 29 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC timelines.ws [Source type: News]

^ Or why Charles Manson is unknown, this illegitimate child of a sixteen year-old girl, no family or kin.

^ First, his 34-year-old son, also an attorney, died suddenly of a heart attack.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

[65] .While at McNeil Island, Manson had told his fellow inmates he could surpass the Beatles in fame.^ Prison officials deny a guard slipped Spector a note from Manson and also told ABC News and others that the story could of only come from Spector's handlers and wife.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ PM If Charles Manson wrote the song Helter Skelter how then could he interpreted the song as coded prophecies from the Beatles?
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ He met Manson at McNeil Island Penitentiary, after being transferred there when Alcatraz closed down.
  • Charles Milles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC members.shaw.ca [Source type: Original source]

[66][67] In statements to the Family, he spoke of the Beatles as "the soul" and "part of 'the hole in the infinite.'"[64]
.For some time, Manson had been claiming that racial tension between blacks and whites was growing and that blacks would soon rise up in rebellion in America's cities.^ There would be a war between blacks and whites; whites would lose.
  • The American Meaning of Charley Manson « The Manson “Family” Blog 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC fromspahnranch.wordpress.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Soon some of them would die from drugs.
  • Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Manson murders, 40 years later 25 September 2009 7:07 UTC hotair.com [Source type: General]

^ That Manson foresaw a war between the blacks and the whites was not fantastic.
  • B-09-LegalIssues 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.susanatkins.org [Source type: Original source]
  • My Battle With Manson - The Daily Beast 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.thedailybeast.com [Source type: General]

[68][69] He had emphasized Martin Luther King, Jr.'s April 1968 assassination as an affront to blacks.[61] .On a bitterly cold New Year's Eve[citation needed] at Myers Ranch, Manson's Family members gathered outside around a large fire and listened as he explained the social turmoil he had been predicting had also been predicted by the Beatles.^ The newest member of the Manson Family?
  • Adoptee Discovers Dad is Charles Manson | Drudge Retort 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.drudge.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ He is not related to Manson or any family member.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ He worked at the Spahn Ranch and was not a member of the Manson Family.

[64] .The songs on the White Album, he declared, told it all, albeit in code.^ Manson called this conflict Helter Skelter, named so for a song by the Beatles on the WHITE ALBUM .

^ Explains why he always had an inexplicable desire to queue up the White Album all day long.
  • Adoptee Discovers Dad is Charles Manson | Drudge Retort 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.drudge.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ The White Album has songs about drugs, guns, killers and the heavy song is about a fvcking slide...hah!
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

.He felt the album carried messages to the Family itself, an elect group that was being instructed to preserve the worthy from the impending disaster.^ The investigation lead to the Spahn Ranch, which was the home of a hippie group that called itself the Manson Family.

[68][69]
.Early in January 1969, the Family escaped the desert's cold and positioned themselves to monitor the tension in Los Angeles caused by Manson's predicted race war by moving to a canary-yellow home in Canoga Park, not far from Spahn Ranch.^ He worked at the Spahn Ranch and was not a member of the Manson Family.

^ Spahn Ranch The original headquarters of the Manson family is also on the market.

^ Leslie remembers the early days at the ranch with the Manson Family as peaceful.

[64][70][71] .According to Manson, their new locale would allow the group to remain "submerged beneath the awareness of the outside world,"[70][72] and the home was then dubbed the Yellow Submarine, after the Beatles 1966 single of the same name.^ On the eve of his release from prison in 1967, at the age of 32, he asked to remain behind bars because he didn’t think he could make it in the outside world.
  • My Battle With Manson - The Daily Beast 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.thedailybeast.com [Source type: General]

^ I have often wondered, as time has allowed since August 16, 1977, how Elvis would have looked at this "World".
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

^ To even put the names “Charles Manson” and “Elvis Presley” into the same “story” is both shocking and…intriguing.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

.At the Canoga Park house, Family members prepared for the impending, predicted apocalypse[73][74] that Manson had earlier termed "Helter Skelter," also after the Beatles song of the same title.^ In fact, Charles Manson wrote the song Helter Skelter.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ What are the chances the Beatles would write a song called Helter Skelter the same year..?
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ Manson called this conflict Helter Skelter, named so for a song by the Beatles on the WHITE ALBUM .

By February 1969, Manson's apocalyptic vision was complete. .Under his direction, the Family would create an album whose songs would trigger the predicted chaos.^ That was the sort of framework that the prosecution was trying to establish as the explanation for the so-called "Manson Family Tate/LaBianca murders," that Manson was directing everything and issuing orders, and that I was "under his orders."
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

.Ghastly murders of whites by blacks would be met with retaliation, and a split between racist and non-racist whites would yield whites' self-annihilation.^ In fact, the murders were to simulate black on white murders.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ There would be a war between blacks and whites; whites would lose.
  • The American Meaning of Charley Manson « The Manson “Family” Blog 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC fromspahnranch.wordpress.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The total effect was to appear, or wanted to appear, that if they didn't catch the murderers of these people they would come down on the blacks—that was their hope.
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]

.The triumph of blacks would merely precede their rule by the Family, who would ride out the conflict in "the bottomless pit" — a secret city beneath Death Valley.^ Afterwards, when the black man failed at keeping power, Charlie's Family, which they estimated would have multiplied to 144,000 by that time, would then take over from the black man and rule the cities.

^ If they were the big Christians they profess to be & not just out for themselves as I am sure is the case, they would fess up & let the families of missing "Family" associates have closure.
  • Beverly Hills Matchmaker Spills about Manson Family Member Susan Atkins - Los Angeles News - LA Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC blogs.laweekly.com [Source type: General]

^ Not long after this, Barbara [Hoyt] and another girl – Sherry Ann Cooper, aka Simi Valley Sherri – fled the Family's Death Valley hideout.

[7]
.At the Canoga Park house, Family members worked on vehicles and pored over maps to prepare for their desert escape as well as working on songs for their world-changing record album.^ Dick responded, "That is interesting, I had one of the female members of the Manson family working for me."
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Another one: Inside the Desert-cult Hideout - Family Members Talk of Black Magic, Sex, Murder.
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]
  • WHO WAS CHARLIE MANSON! 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.think-aboutit.com [Source type: Original source]

^ While she and the other principle members of the Manson Family may have completely changed for the better, I don't believe they should be granted parole.
  • Beverly Hills Matchmaker Spills about Manson Family Member Susan Atkins - Los Angeles News - LA Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC blogs.laweekly.com [Source type: General]

.After being told that producer Terry Melcher was to come to the house to hear the material, the women prepared a meal and cleaned the place.^ Atkins was placed in the Sybil Brand Institute, a Los Angeles women's house of detention, to await indictment and trial.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ There were reasons why the people in that house were picked, and I think it was believed that Terry Melcher still lived there.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ In 1969, they rented the house on Cielo Drive from Terry Melcher, Doris Day's son and moved in mid-February.

Melcher never arrived.[68][73]

Encounter with Tate

.On March 23, 1969,[75] Manson entered, uninvited, the Benedict Canyon property located at 10050 Cielo Drive.^ In this video Marilyn Manson (without makeup) consecrates the beginning of his satanic national career at the very site of the Tate Murders at 10050 Cielo Drive, where the Manson Family brutally mass murdered five people.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

^ Manson and his friends often visited Melcher, who then lived at 10050 Cielo Dr. Bel Air, the home where the Tate murders would be committed.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ In March of 1969, Manson went to the house where four of the five murdered people were staying.

.Manson only knew the location to be the residence of producer Terry Melcher;[52] however, Melcher had moved out several months prior.^ Probably the most “famous” individual that was murdered by Charles Manson’s Family was (actress) Sharon Tate who was living at the home that “Terry” had previously (note: he had moved out a few weeks prior).
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

^ By the time the Family is arrested in the desert, a month or two in the future, there are only a dozen or so members still there out of a Family that at one time held almost forty.

^ However, Manson spoke out in court and demanded to examine him.

.As of February 1969,[76] property owner Rudy Altobelli had leased the property to Roman Polanski and his wife, actress Sharon Tate.^ Sharon Tate was married to respected filmmaker Roman Polanski.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

^ Tate and her husband, director Roman Polanski.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ Tate, the wife of director Roman Polanski, was 8 1/2 months' pregnant when she was killed at her hilltop home in Benedict Canyon on Aug.
  • Aging Charles Manson captured in prison photo | L.A. Now | Los Angeles Times 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC latimesblogs.latimes.com [Source type: General]

.Manson was spotted and then confronted by Shahrokh Hatami, a photographer and friend of Tate.^ Manson and his friends often visited Melcher, who then lived at 10050 Cielo Dr. Bel Air, the home where the Tate murders would be committed.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ The Crime: Susan Atkins was one of the four members of The Family who carried out Manson’s orders to kill Sharon Tate and her friends.
  • My Battle With Manson - The Daily Beast 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.thedailybeast.com [Source type: General]

^ It is a film that shows the Manson murders (and not just Sharon Tate and her friends) in all their brutality.

.There to photograph Tate prior to her departure for Rome the next day, Hatami saw Manson on the grounds through a window of the main house as Manson approached.^ A wave broke in August 1969 when the followers of Charley Manson slaughtered Sharon Tate, her unborn child, her house guests, and the next night repeated the bloody ritual by killing a prominent couple named the La Biancas.
  • The American Meaning of Charley Manson « The Manson “Family” Blog 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC fromspahnranch.wordpress.com [Source type: Original source]

^ A day or two earlier Manson had approached me and challenged me to go down and kill Gary .

^ This was the place where, as described by Susan Atkins, Manson got out, had them drive around the block, then got back in, telling them that, having looked in the window and seen photographs of children, he didn't want to "do" that particular house...

.Hatami then went to the front porch and asked Manson what he wanted.^ A rope is tried around the necks of Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring, which Charlie wanted to use to hang their bodies from the front porch but was unable to hoist them.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

^ When they pulled up in front, Manson asked Linda it the man could let her in.

^ Understandably perplexed, Bugliosi asked, If Manson committed more murders than the Manson murders, why would anyone want to protect him on that?
  • Zodiac Killer - Suspect Manson - Bruce Davis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.zodiackillerfacts.com [Source type: Original source]

[75] .When Manson told Hatami he was looking for Melcher, Hatami informed him the place was the Polanski residence.^ Sadly, many of those who look up to Marilyn Manson as a god have taken him up on his advice.
  • Good Fight Ministries - Marilyn Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.goodfight.org [Source type: Original source]

^ In fact Grogan says that Manson told him to hit Shea in the head with a pipe when Watson gave the signal.

^ Howard Davis claimed that his former brother-in-law had told him of the massive conspiracy to conceal the fact that Manson and his followers were behind the Zodiac crimes.
  • Zodiac Killer - Suspect Manson - Bruce Davis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.zodiackillerfacts.com [Source type: Original source]

.Hatami told him to try "the back alley," a reference to a path leading to the guest house.^ (According to his auto-biography, Watson says that Manson went up to the house initially by himself but returned and had Watson follow him back to the house.

^ He just told a group of his followers to gun down a US Congressman before he could get on a plane back for the US. It's not on him if they actually *did* it.
  • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ But when the Judge asked me if I understood I was pleading guilty to going to Gary’s house intending to kill him, I told him the truth.

[75] .Appearing behind him in the house's doorway, Tate asked Hatami who was calling.^ I called Tommy and asked him if his information was correct.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ But when the Judge asked me if I understood I was pleading guilty to going to Gary’s house intending to kill him, I told him the truth.

^ E! online article that mentions that Pittman was with Manson on the night of the Tate murders but doesn't indicate that she went with him to the Tate house after the murders.

.Hatami replied that a man was looking for "someone". At this point, Manson, without saying a word, went back to the guesthouse.^ And all without breathing a word to Manson.

^ I am the man in the mirror,” says Charles Manson.
  • The American Meaning of Charley Manson « The Manson “Family” Blog 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC fromspahnranch.wordpress.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Manson in His Own Words (new window)- an interesting look inside the mind of a madman.
  • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

He then returned a minute or two later, and left.[75]
.Later that evening, Manson once again returned to the property and the guesthouse.^ Once he settled at Spahn’s Ranch, in Los Angeles , Charles Manson’s wants and needs reached even higher.

^ I remember Manson’s eyes during a TV program later lifting the hairs on my arms even though I was seeing him on film and not in person.
  • Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Manson murders, 40 years later 25 September 2009 7:07 UTC hotair.com [Source type: General]

^ Atkins even agreed to testify against the other members of the family, including Manson, in exchange for a lighter sentence, but prosecutors later withdrew the deal.
  • Zodiac Killer - Suspect Manson - Bruce Davis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.zodiackillerfacts.com [Source type: Original source]

.After entering the house's enclosed porch, Manson spoke with the property owner, Rudi Altobelli, as he was emerging from the shower.^ Rudi Altobelli, the man who bought the Cielo Drive property from Melcher, was an important man in the entertainment industry.

^ Manson entered the property, then tied up a Man and his wife, and then opened up the gate (from the inside) so that the other “family” members could (a) review Mansons’ handiwork and (b) finish the job.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

^ Manson then recalled Terry mentioning the property had a “guest house” so Manson went to search it and find Terry.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

.Although Manson asked for Melcher, Altobelli felt Manson had actually come looking for him.^ And it produces the risk of making Charles Manson the hero of misguided young people who don’t actually know anything about him.

^ Altobelli admonished Manson for bothering his tenants and told him he didn't know where Terry Melcher had moved.

^ In one of Manson’s videos, he shows himself with an Aleister Crowley look alike in a dress, lying with him in various sexual positions.
  • Good Fight Ministries - Marilyn Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.goodfight.org [Source type: Original source]

[77] .Altobelli's hunch was later confirmed as it was consistent with prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi's discovery that Manson had apparently been to the place on earlier occasions following Melcher's departure.^ Prosecutor Bugliosi's first mistake was taking what the attention-craving Atkins said about Manson as gospel.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Bugliosi's book "Helter Skelter" isn't that reliable, even though he was the prosecutor of the Manson cases.
  • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Bugliosi argued instead that Manson implied what he wanted done and that his followers inferred that intention.
  • The American Meaning of Charley Manson « The Manson “Family” Blog 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC fromspahnranch.wordpress.com [Source type: Original source]

[75][78] .Speaking through the inner screen door, Altobelli told Manson that Melcher had moved to Malibu and then lied by telling Manson he did not know Melcher's new address.^ Altobelli admonished Manson for bothering his tenants and told him he didn't know where Terry Melcher had moved.

^ Mansons music helped me through the worse time of my life i don’t know how people can say it leads to death.
  • Revisit the Juiciest Marilyn Manson Rumors Ever : Rolling Stone : Rock and Roll Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.rollingstone.com [Source type: General]

^ Thanks for the mail and I will send the you the address now but let me know when the fund is send to the account,tell Charlie Manson I am very happy and may God bless him in Jesus name,Amen.
  • Pastor Chris Scam 11 September 2009 22:022 UTC users.aristotle.net [Source type: Original source]

.After Altobelli informed Manson he was going out of the country the next day, Manson said he wanted to talk to him when Altobelli returned.^ She agreed to go on camera the next day.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The next day Manson announced he wanted to testify.

^ Manson wanted him all the way in or all the way out.

.Altobelli lied to Manson and stated he would be gone for more than a year.^ And I want to know more about Charles Manson, because he was thirty-two and he did spend twenty-two years of his life in jail.
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]

^ He was on the run for more than 30 years, living in Australia and Brazil, before returning to the UK voluntarily in 2001 in search of medical treatment.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ In fact, Marilyn Manson is far more accepted in the mainstream than is Jesus Christ, who is either ridiculed or ignored in popular culture.
  • Good Fight Ministries - Marilyn Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.goodfight.org [Source type: Original source]

.Altobelli also told Manson that he did not want Manson further disturbing the property's tenants.^ And what did Charles Manson want?

^ And I want to know more about Charles Manson, because he was thirty-two and he did spend twenty-two years of his life in jail.
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If he did not want them to do it, one might reasonably expect that Manson would accept some responsibility and stop putting these violent references in his performances.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

[75] Manson then left. .Referring to Manson as "that creepy looking guy", Sharon Tate asked Altobelli the following day on their flight to Rome whether Manson had gone back to the guest house.^ We then discussed whether we should go back to the house to look for it.

^ It's pertinent to the Manson-Sharon Tate massacres.
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]
  • WHO WAS CHARLIE MANSON! 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.think-aboutit.com [Source type: Original source]

^ We had gone back to wearing watches since the Manson days.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: December 2006 19 September 2009 14:014 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

[75]

Family crimes

Crowe shooting

.After previously failing to show to hear Manson and the Family sing in late 1968, Terry Melcher finally heard what they had to offer musically at Spahn Ranch on May 18, 1969. Arranging a later visit not long after, Melcher subsequently brought a friend and a mobile recording unit, although the group did not get their music recorded at that time.^ He met Manson and the family and heard Manson's song.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ Spahn was the ranch they fled from.
  • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Spahn Ranch The original headquarters of the Manson family is also on the market.

[79][80]
.By June 1968, Manson was telling the Family they might have to show blacks how to start "Helter Skelter" because "blackie" was too "stupid" to do so without their help.^ Helter skelter, what was this and how did it start?
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

^ At that time, Leslie says, Manson began to say that the Family would have to show the blacks how to do it, how to start the war.

^ Manson had preached of an apocalyptic race war he said was predicted in the Beatles song “Helter Skelter.” His followers including Atkins believed they would eventually control the United States — if they performed heinous crimes for Manson.
  • Beverly Hills Matchmaker Spills about Manson Family Member Susan Atkins - Los Angeles News - LA Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC blogs.laweekly.com [Source type: General]

[70][74][81] .Manson then tasked Watson with obtaining money with the intention of helping the Family prepare for the conflict.^ I set myself the task was of locating Manson and persuading him to talk baseball; and to do that I would need help of the Corrections Department.
  • David Macaray: Charles Manson and Me 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.counterpunch.org [Source type: General]

^ I gave her a copy of some music, to help "stimulate" Catherine in remembering things from the Manson family days.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Sandra Good’s father helped support Charles Manson after his daughter joined the Family and was threatened when he wouldn’t give more.

.Watson proceeded to defraud an African American LA-area drug dealer named Bernard "Lotsapoppa" Crowe.^ Bernard Crowe was a black drug dealer in the San Fernando Valley .

^ The drug burn was concerning Bernard Crowe.
  • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If he couldn’t con Bernard Crowe, Charles Manson believed the only way to prevent the Panthers from getting his name and where-abouts was to eliminate the source – Bernard Crowe.

.Crowe responded to Watson's action with a threat to kill everyone at Spahn Ranch.^ An angry Crowe phoned Spahn Ranch and demanded to speak to Watson, who was not there.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ He was killed because he'd tell the owner of the Spahn Ranch what was really happening on his property.

^ Watson burned Crowe on the drugs, so Crowe found out the ranch's number and asked for "Charlie."
  • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

.Manson countered on July 1, 1969, by shooting Crowe at his Hollywood apartment.^ According to the Prosecutor, when Manson got to Bernard Crowe’s apartment there were several of his friends there.

^ Shortly after the Crowe shooting, Manson and his group suffered a second major blow.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ That Charles Manson, the accomplished Manipulator, ended up having to pull the gun and shoot Crowe himself is a testament to how foolish a position he’d put himself in.

[58][82][83][84] .Manson believed he had killed Crowe, a belief reinforced by the discovery in Los Angeles of a body belonging to a Black Panther.^ A later news report of the slaying of a Black Panther reinforced Manson’s mistakeb belief.
  • Tofulator: Lost in Translation » Charles Manson’s Epic Question 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.tofulator.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Manson shot Crowe, and believed that he killed him.
  • Tofulator: Lost in Translation » Charles Manson’s Epic Question 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.tofulator.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ And he goes into the fact that the Black Panthers are tied into the communists, and the evidence is that the Panthers killed these people to come into the middle class America and spread terror.

.Although Crowe was not a member of the Black Panthers, Manson, concluding he had been, believed the body was actually that of Crowe.^ If he couldn’t con Bernard Crowe, Charles Manson believed the only way to prevent the Panthers from getting his name and where-abouts was to eliminate the source – Bernard Crowe.

^ I have never personally heard any Manson Family member speak of any bodies being buried at Barker Ranch.

^ Perhaps she, like many of the Manson Family, believed that Manson had killed Bernard Crowe.

.Manson, now expecting retaliation from the Black Panthers, turned Spahn Ranch into a defensive camp, with armed guards and night patrols.^ Manson's fear of retaliation by the Black Panthers completely changed the dynamic at Spahn Ranch.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Spahn’s Ranch was now in complete paranoia.

^ The man had remembered the car and the license plate, which was traced to a Spahn Ranch employee, who had let Manson and his girls borrow his car.

[82][85] ."If we'd needed any more proof that Helter Skelter was coming down very soon, this was it," Tex Watson would later write, "[B]lackie was trying to get at the chosen ones."^ This was a pattern he would try to use again later.

^ Charles Manson, Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten were soon charged with the other grisly murders.
  • Beverly Hills Matchmaker Spills about Manson Family Member Susan Atkins - Los Angeles News - LA Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC blogs.laweekly.com [Source type: General]

^ Obviously, writing what one recalled from a conversation would tend to lead to error.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[82]

Hinman murder

.On July 25, 1969, Manson sent on-and-off Family member Bobby Beausoleil, along with Mary Brunner and Susan Atkins, to the Topanga Canyon home of acquaintance Gary Hinman.^ Gary Hinman was found murdered in his home.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ In Bugliosi's version, Brunner was "the first member of the Manson Family."
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ The fact that Manson sent Mary Brunner and myself with Bobby is also interesting.

.Manson wanted the trio to persuade Hinman to turn over money Manson believed Hinman had inherited.^ Manson believed he had found that one mind, tripping away on acid, and hence he had turned his back on all of the false constructs of the language of the world, all of the artificially constructed binaries.
  • The American Meaning of Charley Manson « The Manson “Family” Blog 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC fromspahnranch.wordpress.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The transaction occurred at the Spahn Ranch, and the next day they came back and wanted their money back, saying that the mescaline had turned out to be bunk.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ When police questioned Susan Atkins, who was still in jail, she admitted that she went with Beausoleil to Hinman's home to get some money he had inherited.

[82][86][87] .Beausoleil, Brunner, and Atkins held Hinman hostage for two days, during which time Manson showed up with a sword used to slash Hinman's ear.^ But seriously, if you ever wondered what ex-Family members would say about their time with Manson, check out Atkins' book (I got my copy for a nickel at a used-book shop) and read the online books of Watson AND Bobby Beausoliel (he was the one who killed Gary Hinman; Susan and Mary Brunner were present during the two-or-three day ordeal.
  • Beverly Hills Matchmaker Spills about Manson Family Member Susan Atkins - Los Angeles News - LA Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC blogs.laweekly.com [Source type: General]

^ To show his “devotion” to the Family, Charlie packed up his things and left unceremoniously the day after Gary was killed.

^ A day or two earlier Manson had approached me and challenged me to go down and kill Gary .

.Following Manson' sword attack, Beausoleil proceeded to stab Hinman to death.^ In a panic, Beausoleil stabbed him to death.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ But, the police thought that she only held Hinman while Bob Beausoleil stabbed him.

^ Santa Monica to enter pleas in the July 27, 1969, stabbing death of musician Gary Hinman, 34, at Hinman's Topanga Canyon home.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

.It was later claimed in court that Beausoleil's stabbing of Hinman was in response to an instruction given by Manson.^ Atkins was present at the Hinman murder, although Beausoleil and Manson were the actual killers.
  • FARK.com: (4614237) Terminally ill member of the Manson Family seeks parole. Or extradition to Scotland 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ But, the police thought that she only held Hinman while Bob Beausoleil stabbed him.

^ The two of them kept Hinman prisoner in his home until Beausoleil murdered him a couple of days later.

.January 2010" style="white-space:nowrap;">[citation needed] Before leaving the residence, at least one of the trio used Hinman’s blood to write "Political piggy" and to draw a panther paw (a known Black Panther symbol) on a wall in the house.^ Politicial Piggie written on his wall in his blood.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ That was the moment when it was obvious that when Charles Manson had ordered the murder of Gary Hinman, no one, not the police or the Panthers, was pursuing him.

^ The outcome was that, just as with the Hinman killing, no one ever suspected the Black Panthers of the crime.

[58][83][88][89]
.In more than one of the magazine interviews he gave between 1981 and 1999,[90][91] Beausoleil stated he went to Hinman’s house to recover money paid to Hinman for "bad" drugs.^ Let us show that we are more compassionate than she and let her breath her last words of regret that she was ever born in the company of her family, let us give her the last reprieve she never gave her victims.
  • Beverly Hills Matchmaker Spills about Manson Family Member Susan Atkins - Los Angeles News - LA Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC blogs.laweekly.com [Source type: General]

^ Many years later, Beausoleil would recall the flavor of the group in an interview with Michael Moynihan for Seconds magazine: "It didn't seem like a guy with his harem.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ But there is one more dependable, if unusual link between the characteristics of the 'Family and Brayton's Solar Lodge, and other O.T.O. groups.
  • Charles Manson and the Solar Lodge of the O.T.O. 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC user.cyberlink.ch [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.Beausoleil also added that Brunner and Atkins, unaware of his intent, went along idly and just to visit Hinman.^ Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner, both acquainted with Hinman, went with Beausoleil.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ While Hinman held the gun, either Atkins or Brunner called Spahn Ranch and told Manson that Hinman was threatening them with the gun.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Atkins was present at the Hinman murder, although Beausoleil and Manson were the actual killers.
  • FARK.com: (4614237) Terminally ill member of the Manson Family seeks parole. Or extradition to Scotland 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

.Contradicting Beausoleil's account, however, Atkins, wrote in her 1977 autobiography that Manson directly told her, Beausoleil, and Brunner to go to Hinman’s and get the supposed inheritance of $21,000. She said Manson had privately told her two days earlier, that, if she wanted to "do something important," she could kill Hinman and get his money.^ A day or two earlier Manson had approached me and challenged me to go down and kill Gary .

^ Beausoleil commented that Manson probably felt he was going to "save the day."
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Manson had told everyone something different.

[87]
.Beausoleil was arrested on August 6, 1969, after he was stopped by police while driving Hinman's car; police found the murder weapon in the tire well.^ Gary Hinman was found murdered in his home.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ In the tire well, police found the knife used in Hinman's murder.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ That was the moment when it was obvious that when Charles Manson had ordered the murder of Gary Hinman, no one, not the police or the Panthers, was pursuing him.

[76] .Two days later, Manson told Family members at Spahn Ranch, "Now is the time for Helter Skelter."^ The newest member of the Manson Family?
  • Adoptee Discovers Dad is Charles Manson | Drudge Retort 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.drudge.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Spahn Ranch The original headquarters of the Manson family is also on the market.

^ Now is the time for helter skelter.  .
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

[82][92][93]

Tate murders

On the night of August 8, Manson directed Watson to take Atkins, Linda Kasabian, and Patricia Krenwinkel to "that house where Melcher used to live" and "totally destroy everyone in [it], as gruesome as you can."[94][95] He further instructed the women to do what Watson told them to do.[92][96] .When the four arrived at the entrance to the Cielo Drive property, Watson, who had been to the house previously, climbed a telephone pole near the gate to cut the phone line.^ And the telephone polesthey shimmied up the poles, cut the wires, left all this obvious evidence, and split.

^ Though in jail some six or seven hours' drive from L.A., I had Lyn and Sandy burning up the highways and telephone lines with daily reports on who was saying what, and to whom.

^ That was the end of my involvment with 10050 Cielo Drive until the demolition of the house.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

[55]
.Around midnight, August 9, 1969, the group backed the car they arrived in down to the bottom of the hill leading up to the property.^ They drove up to the gate, then drove back down to the bottom of the hill, parked the car, and walked back up.
  • My Battle With Manson - The Daily Beast 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.thedailybeast.com [Source type: General]

^ Now by turns they are laughing at the naivete of Obama (President Sarkozy) while growing increasingly concerned we won't be there to back them up economically or militarily.
  • Big Hollywood » Blog Archive » Debating Leftists is Like Debating Charles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC bighollywood.breitbart.com [Source type: General]

^ And if you're in it with them you're a victim to them anyway, so it's a set—up, once they've gone down that road.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

.After parking there, the group walked back up to the house.^ Now by turns they are laughing at the naivete of Obama (President Sarkozy) while growing increasingly concerned we won't be there to back them up economically or militarily.
  • Big Hollywood » Blog Archive » Debating Leftists is Like Debating Charles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC bighollywood.breitbart.com [Source type: General]

^ (According to his auto-biography, Watson says that Manson went up to the house initially by himself but returned and had Watson follow him back to the house.

^ We drove through Golden Gate park, and through the streets of San Francisco with all these houses piled up next to each other.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

.Thinking the gate might be electrified or rigged with an alarm,[96] they climbed a brushy embankment to the right of the gate, each dropping to the ground on the other side.^ Think of it as Atkins' last drop of penance to society, giving up that money to pay for new roads or schools or the health care of others.
  • Beverly Hills Matchmaker Spills about Manson Family Member Susan Atkins - Los Angeles News - LA Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC blogs.laweekly.com [Source type: General]

^ I think America's intellectual class on both sides is simply far too detached from reality on the ground.
  • Big Hollywood » Blog Archive » Debating Leftists is Like Debating Charles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC bighollywood.breitbart.com [Source type: General]

^ In the case of Travis Stone you have him telling his child psychiatrists that he might be suicidal but they just think he wants attention so they ignore him and then he kills himself !
  • Suicide or Murder p.2 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC thestraights.com [Source type: Original source]

.Noticing headlights coming in their direction down the driveway from within the property,[76] Watson told the women to lie down in the bushes.^ Startled by the headlights of an approaching car, the women lay down and Watson went up to it.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ As was customary, when fans or “others” were discovered on the property without notice/permission, the person(s) were (a) removed and (b) informed not to come back.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

.Watson then stepped out, gave a command for the vehicle to halt, then shot and killed the vehicle's only occupant, 18-year-old Steven Parent.^ Watson shot Parent four times, killing him.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Steven Parent, 18, who had just been visiting the residence's caretaker, a 19-year-old man named William Garretson who lived in the guesthouse behind the property.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ On November 18, 1969, 35-year-old Deputy District Attorney Vincent T. Bugliosi was assigned the Tate-LaBianca murder cases.

[94][97]
.The group then moved down to the main house.^ Eventually, he and a few of his group moved in with Gary Hinman, a music teacher with a house on the Canyon Road.

^ Frequently breaking down in tears, she described in graphic detail the horrors the group committed at the Tate house.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.Watson cut the screen of an open window and told Kasabian to keep watch by the gate.^ This was not by choice.Tex Watson told her to stay outside and keep a watch.
  • Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Manson murders, 40 years later 25 September 2009 7:07 UTC hotair.com [Source type: General]

^ King also wrote that Watson told Kasabian "that there was a gun in the glove compartment, and that, if they were stopped by the police along the way, she should throw the gun, and all of the knives which she carried in her lap out the window."
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ All of the crime partners then proceeded to the house where                         Watson cut a window screen.
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

[92][94][96] .Watson removed the screen, entered through the window, and let Atkins and Krenwinkel in through the front door.^ I entered the front door of the small church.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It would have been foolhardy for all of them to enter through the front door.

^ Then Watson indicated that Atkins, Krenwinkel, and Kasabian should follow him.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[96]

Slaughter

.As Watson whispered to Atkins, Polanski's friend and houseguest Wojciech Frykowski awoke from sleeping on the living-room couch.^ Atkins and Folger returned to the living room.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Watson ordered Atkins to kill Frykowski.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ When they got in the house, Susan said that in the living room there was a man on the couch and a woman on the chair reading.

.Watson kicked him in the head.^ Somebody should kick him in the dick head hole!!
  • Revisit the Juiciest Marilyn Manson Rumors Ever : Rolling Stone : Rock and Roll Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.rollingstone.com [Source type: General]

^ In fact Grogan says that Manson told him to hit Shea in the head with a pipe when Watson gave the signal.

^ Watson shot him twice and raced after him, repeatedly banging Frykowski's head with a gun butt with one hand while knifing him with the other.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[94] .When Frykowski asked him who he was and what he was doing there, Watson replied, "I’m the devil, and I’m here to do the devil’s business."^ "I am the Devil and I'm here to do the Devil's business," Watson replied according to Atkins's testimony as well as his recollection.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Frykowski asked, "Who are you and what are you doing here?"
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ An angry Crowe phoned Spahn Ranch and demanded to speak to Watson, who was not there.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[94][96] .On Watson’s direction, Atkins checked the rest of the house and found three other people.^ Watson told Atkins to see if there were other people in the house.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ That Charles Watson had been in his office in Los Angeles, California thirty or forty times prior to the killing of Sharon Tate and the other six people in Los Angeles.

^ Charles Watson had been in his office in Los Angeles, California thirty or forty times prior to the killing of Sharon Tate and the other six people in Los Angeles.
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]

.[96][98] Those brought to the living room by Atkins were the eight and a half month pregnant Tate; Tate's friend and former lover, noted hairstylist Jay Sebring; and Frykowski’s girlfriend Abigail Folger, heiress to the Folgers Coffee fortune.^ Sharon Tate was 8 months pregnant when she was murdered.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

^ When Frykowski, Folger, Tate, and Sebring assembled in the living room, Watson ordered them to lie on their stomachs on the floor.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Five people were killed in a ritualistic manner, including Tate, coffee heiress Abigail Folger, and celebrity hairdresser Jay Sebring.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

[76] .Tate's husband, Roman Polanski, was in London, working on a film project.^ Tate and her husband, director Roman Polanski.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ For months, BeauSoleil and Anger worked on the film project, for the most part independently.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Sharon Tate was married to respected filmmaker Roman Polanski.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

[99]
.Watson began to tie Tate and Sebring together by their necks with rope he had brought and slung up over a beam.^ A rope is tried around the necks of Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring, which Charlie wanted to use to hang their bodies from the front porch but was unable to hoist them.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

^ In the living room joined by rope were Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring.

^ When Frykowski, Folger, Tate, and Sebring assembled in the living room, Watson ordered them to lie on their stomachs on the floor.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.Sebring's protest—his second—of the rough treatment that Tate was receiving prompted Watson to shoot him.^ When Frykowski, Folger, Tate, and Sebring assembled in the living room, Watson ordered them to lie on their stomachs on the floor.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.Folger was taken momentarily back to her bedroom for her purse, out of which she gave the intruders $70. After that, Watson stabbed the groaning Sebring seven times.^ Also armed with a knife, Krenwinkel entered Folger's bedroom and gave similar instructions.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ He was so angry and abusive to T.J. when they got back to Spahn’s Ranch that T.J., a long time member of the Family and a friend, left in the middle of the night out of fear for his life.

^ Watson, Van Houten and Krenwinkel left Leno and escorted Rosemary back to her bedroom.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[76][94] .Frykowski's hands had been bound with a towel.^ Watson told Atkins to fetch a towel and tie Frykowski's hands.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Frykowski slipped his hands from the towel and knocked Atkins down.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.After freeing himself, Frykowski began struggling with Atkins, who stabbed at his legs with the knife she had been using to keep guard over him.^ Atkins did stab Wojciech Frykowski.
  • FARK.com: (4614237) Terminally ill member of the Manson Family seeks parole. Or extradition to Scotland 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Atkins held Tate down while Watson stabbed her, and therefore was guilty of accessory to the murder, but it was Watson who stabbed her.
  • FARK.com: (4614237) Terminally ill member of the Manson Family seeks parole. Or extradition to Scotland 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Gary Hinman had not been stabbed in the leg, but Voytek Frykowski had.

[94] .As Frykowski fought his way toward the front door and out onto the porch, Watson joined in against him.^ He crawled all the way out the front door.
  • 'MSNBC Live'  for Sept. 5 - Morning Joe- msnbc.com 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.msnbc.msn.com [Source type: General]

^ Frykowski ran to the front door, screaming for someone to help him.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Looking out the front door, she saw a couple of pools of blood and what appeared to be a body on the lawn.

.Watson struck him over the head with the gun multiple times, stabbed him repeatedly, and shot him twice.^ I stabbed him twice in the chest.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ I hit him a couple of times on the head with the gun, which shocked him.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Watson shot him twice and raced after him, repeatedly banging Frykowski's head with a gun butt with one hand while knifing him with the other.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[94] .While Watson was hitting him over the head with the pistol, the gun's right-side grip broke in the process.^ I hit him a couple of times on the head with the gun, which shocked him.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ In fact Grogan says that Manson told him to hit Shea in the head with a pipe when Watson gave the signal.

^ I've pulled a gun on him and hit him a couple of times.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

Frykowski continued to flee and struggled across the lawn. .Watson then killed him with more stabbing to a total of fifty-one stab wounds.^ They'll justify continuing to kill people by saying "so-and-so ratted us out," or "he got weak and could have stabbed that guy and killed him but he didn't."
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ And the subject of the conversation was that one of the four men who just about killed him washe said, "I'm from the Manson Family in Texas."

^ An autopsy would show that a wound in the lower back killed her although there is no way to know whether that wound was inflicted by Van Houten or Watson.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[76][92][94]
.During this time, Kasabian was drawn up from the driveway by the "horrifying sounds" she heard coming from the house.^ I suppose that if I had given myself time to cool down I could have come up with a number of ways that I could have dealt with the problem without resorting to violence.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ I hear you do it good, honey, and all that kind of—will you come up to my house later?
  • 'MSNBC Live'  for Sept. 5 - Morning Joe- msnbc.com 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.msnbc.msn.com [Source type: General]

^ Some people in the vicinity at the time, were reading that as a dangerous situation, and I heard that a guard went up the back stairs in case I got physical.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

.Arriving outside the door, Kasabian made a vain effort to halt the massacre by lying and telling Atkins that someone was coming.^ After all the victims were dead, Watson told Atkins to write something on the door in someone's blood.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Bugliosi quotes Atkins as telling the grand jury: "Tex opened the window, crawled inside, and the next thing I knew I was at the front door."
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ It's not new stuff, and tells several standard lies but it is well made.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

[92][94]
.From inside the house, Folger had escaped from Krenwinkel and fled out a bedroom door to the pool area.^ Also armed with a knife, Krenwinkel entered Folger's bedroom and gave similar instructions.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ I'd found this place up on Horseshoe Canyon Drive, and it was the basement of a burned-out house which had been turned into a nice little one bedroom dwelling, with a nice view.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Looking out the front door, she saw a couple of pools of blood and what appeared to be a body on the lawn.

[100][101] .Krenwinkel ran after Folger to the front lawn while stabbing at her with a knife and then tackling her to the ground.^ Also armed with a knife, Krenwinkel entered Folger's bedroom and gave similar instructions.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ She made a break while Krenwinkel ran after her, repeatedly stabbing her in the back.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Seeing them on the front lawn, Watson rushed to Krenwinkel's side and added his knife thrusts to hers.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.Watson had told Krenwinkel to go after Folger after also stabbing her.^ In her 1993 parole hearing Van Houten says Manson told her and Patricia Krenwinkel to go and stay at a place called Fountain of the World.

^ We weren’t even told what was going to happen, we were simply told to go with Charles Watson and do what he said.

^ Eventually she says that Manson directed Watson, Krenwinkel and herself to go into the home.

.Between the two of them, Folger was stabbed twenty-eight times.^ Labianca was stabbed forty two times.

^ In her 2004 parole hearing Van Houten agreed that she had stabbed Mrs. Labianca between fourteen and sixteen times.

^ There were about two dozen of them between the ages of eighteen and twenty-six, and they wrote to tell me how “cool” they thought my commitment offense was.

[76][94]
.Back in the house, Atkins, Watson or both killed Tate, who was stabbed a total of sixteen times.^ It was Doris Tate who killed us."

^ Watson ordered Atkins to kill Frykowski.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Watson ordered Atkins to kill Tate.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[76] .While being assaulted, Tate pleaded to live long enough to have her baby; she cried, "Mother...^ A weeping Tate pleaded for her life and that of the unborn baby due in two weeks.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ In a 1993 parole board hearing, Atkins said Tate "asked me to let her baby live.
  • FARK.com: (4614237) Terminally ill member of the Manson Family seeks parole. Or extradition to Scotland 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ A gunshot wound and seven stab wounds liberated him from his insecuritiesAside from Sharon Tate's baby, the youngest victim was 18-year-old Steven Earl Parent who lived with his father, mother and siblings in El Monte.

mother..." until she was dead.[94]
.Before the four Family members had headed out from Spahn Ranch, Manson had instructed the women to "leave a sign… something witchy".[94] Using the towel that had bound Frykowski’s hands, Atkins wrote "Pig" in Tate's blood on the Polanski’s front door.^ He lived out at the Spahn Ranch.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ After killing Tate, prosecutors said Atkins tasted the actress' blood and used it to scrawl “PIG” on her front door.
  • Beverly Hills Matchmaker Spills about Manson Family Member Susan Atkins - Los Angeles News - LA Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC blogs.laweekly.com [Source type: General]

^ He wrote "death to the pigs" on the door.
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]
  • WHO WAS CHARLIE MANSON! 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.think-aboutit.com [Source type: Original source]

.On their way back to Spahn, the killers changed out of their blood-soaked clothes and disposed of them, as well as their weapons, in the surrounding hills.^ He drove until he found another brushy area where the killers discarded the clothing that was soaked with blood and changed.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ He was so angry and abusive to T.J. when they got back to Spahn’s Ranch that T.J., a long time member of the Family and a friend, left in the middle of the night out of fear for his life.

^ Leslie says that she didn't have any blood on her clothes but that she changed them because Watson said he needed her jeans.

[94][96][102]
.After being arrested on unrelated charges, Atkins bragged to cellmates at Sybil Brand Institute in East Los Angeles that she had killed Tate.^ Watson ordered Atkins to kill Tate.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Atkins was placed in the Sybil Brand Institute, a Los Angeles women's house of detention, to await indictment and trial.
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^ Instead of being released with the others I was transferred to Los Angeles to be questioned in regard to the Hinman crime.

[102] .In later statements to her attorney, to prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi, and before a grand jury, Atkins stated that Tate had been stabbed by Watson.^ She repeated the claim to Bugliosi the night before he called her before a grand jury.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ Watson ordered Atkins to kill Tate.
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^ Prosecutor Bugliosi's first mistake was taking what the attention-craving Atkins said about Manson as gospel.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[46][96] .In his 1978 autobiography, Watson said he had stabbed Tate, not Atkins.^ Watson ordered Atkins to kill Tate.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ It also cites a televised interview in which Charles "Tex Watson admits that he stabbed Sharon Tate, and Susan Atkins did not.
  • Beverly Hills Matchmaker Spills about Manson Family Member Susan Atkins - Los Angeles News - LA Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC blogs.laweekly.com [Source type: General]

^ McGann went on to inform Van Houten that Atkins had said that she (Atkins) had went out the night after the Tate murders and "...killed two more people out in the hills."

[94] .Because he was aware that prosecutor Bugliosi and the jury that had tried the other Tate-LaBianca defendants were convinced Atkins had stabbed Tate, he falsified his testimony by stating he did not stab her.^ Atkins did stab Wojciech Frykowski.
  • FARK.com: (4614237) Terminally ill member of the Manson Family seeks parole. Or extradition to Scotland 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Prosecutor Bugliosi's first mistake was taking what the attention-craving Atkins said about Manson as gospel.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ But to state he was in the custody of the Manson Family at the time Atkins recanted her grand jury testimony is, I believe, incorrect.

[103]

LaBianca murders

.Following the Tate murders, six Family members—Leslie Van Houten, Steve "Clem" Grogan, and the four from the previous night—left Spahn at Manson’s instruction.^ And he had properly decided that his client was not Charles Manson but Leslie Van Houten.

^ Charles Manson and 3 women followers convicted of Tate-LaBianca murders .

^ Leslie Van Houten speaking to Sgt.

.Displeased by reports of the panic at Cielo Drive, Manson accompanied the six, "to show [them] how to do it."^ On August 15, he returned for the first time since the murders to the house on Cielo Drive, accompanied by psychic Peter Hurkos.

^ While Manson had sent four Family members to the Cielo Drive massacre, he did not go himself.

^ At that time, Leslie says, Manson began to say that the Family would have to show the blacks how to do it, how to start the war.

[92][96][104] .While riding around for a few hours,[92][104] Manson gave Kasabian directions that brought them to 3301 Waverly Drive in the Los Feliz section of Los Angeles; the address being the home of grocery-store chain owner Leno LaBianca and his wife, Rosemary, a dress shop co-owner and businesswoman.^ The following night, Leno and Rosemary LaBianca were slaughtered in their home.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ August 10, 1969) Leno LaBianca and his wife Rosemary LaBianca were murdered.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

^ Manson told her to drive until they got to Waverly Drive in the affluent Los Feliz area of Los Angeles.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[97][105] .Next door to the LaBianca home was a house at which Manson and Family members had attended a party the previous year.^ He is not related to Manson or any family member.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ The newest member of the Manson Family?
  • Adoptee Discovers Dad is Charles Manson | Drudge Retort 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.drudge.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ In November 1969 the Tate-Labianca case was solved (for lack of a better word) in part due to the jail house confession of Susan Atkins and statements of other fringe members of the Manson Family.

[96][106] .According to Atkins and Kasabian, Manson disappeared walking up the driveway and then returned to report he had tied up the house's occupants.^ Eventually he [Manson] told her [Kasabian] to stop in front of a house, which Linda described as a modern one-story, middle-class-type home.

^ Then, as King wrote, "Manson climbed back into the car and, together with Kasabian, Atkins and Grogan, drove off into the night."
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ According to both Watson and Emmons, Manson advised Watson to hit the house formerly occupied by Terry Melcher because Watson was familiar with it.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.Manson then sent Watson up to the house with Krenwinkel and Van Houten.^ No fingerprints of Watson, Krenwinkel or Van Houten were found in the home.

^ Charles Manson, Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten were soon charged with the other grisly murders.
  • Beverly Hills Matchmaker Spills about Manson Family Member Susan Atkins - Los Angeles News - LA Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC blogs.laweekly.com [Source type: General]

^ In his auto-biography, Watson says that he asked Krenwinkel and Van Houten if Manson had said to kill the couple.

[92][96] .(Watson's autobiography states that Manson returned to their car and took him up to the house.^ Manson then returned to the car and had Leslie and Patricia go into the house to join Watson.

^ She says that Manson left the car and went up to the house.

^ We took this nigger-hippie and tied him up and dumped him in the river and got rid of him forever."
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]

)
.Looking through a window, Manson pointed out a sleeping man and the two of them entered through an unlocked back door.^ Manson turned the door and found it unlocked.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ They lived in Berkeley and I remembered looking out their apartment window during my last visit and watching naked “hippies” sleeping on the roof across the street.
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^ He shamed Bobby Beausoliel into committing the Hinman murder by pointing out that he, Charles Manson, had already shot Bernard Crowe (ostensibly for the Family).

[104] .Watson added that, at trial, he "went along with" the account of the women, because he thought it would make him "look that much less responsible."^ Watson went on trial in August 1971.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ He knew that suggesting I learn to “stay in the background” would grate on me and make me want to prove him wrong.

^ The more accurate account of him not participating in the conference call was that he had an appointment, but if he felt it necessary, he would have conferenced.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

[103] .According to Watson, Manson roused the sleeping Leno LaBianca from the couch at gunpoint and had Watson bind the man's hands with a leather thong.^ Then he handed a leather thong to Watson who tied Leno LaBianca's hands with it.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Upon entering the home Van Houten says that Leno and Rosemary Labianca were sitting on the couch with their hands tied, presumably by Manson and Watson.

^ According to both Watson and Emmons, Manson advised Watson to hit the house formerly occupied by Terry Melcher because Watson was familiar with it.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.After Rosemary LaBianca was brought from the bedroom briefly into the living room, Watson covered the couple’s heads with pillowcases on Manson's orders.^ Leslie and Pat then took Mrs. Labianca into the bedroom while Watson stayed in the living room with Mr. Labianca.

^ Then Manson searched the rest of the house, finding boutique owner Rosemary LaBianca lying in bed in a nightgown.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Watson, Van Houten and Krenwinkel left Leno and escorted Rosemary back to her bedroom.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.He then tied the pillowcases in place with lamp cords.^ She too had a pillowcase over her head and a lamp cord tied tightly around her neck.

^ Leno was found with a blood-drenched pillowcase over his head and the cord of a large lamp tied tightly around his neck.

^ Once in the bedroom Leslie put a pillowcase over Mrs. Labianca's head and unplugged a lamp and wrapped the electrical cord around her neck.

.Manson left, sending Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten into the house with instructions that the couple be killed.^ And he had properly decided that his client was not Charles Manson but Leslie Van Houten.

^ Leslie Van Houten speaking to Sgt.

^ In his auto-biography, Watson says that he asked Krenwinkel and Van Houten if Manson had said to kill the couple.

[92][96][104]

Killings

.Prior to leaving Spahn Ranch that night, Watson complained to Manson about the inadequacy of the weapons from previous night's murders.^ The man had remembered the car and the license plate, which was traced to a Spahn Ranch employee, who had let Manson and his girls borrow his car.

^ While Hinman held the gun, either Atkins or Brunner called Spahn Ranch and told Manson that Hinman was threatening them with the gun.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Springer stayed clear of Manson after that, but mentioned that Danny DeCarlo, another member of the motorcycle gang lived at the Spahn Ranch with the Family.

[92] .Sending the women from the kitchen to the bedroom to which Rosemary LaBianca had been returned, Watson went to the living room and began stabbing Leno LaBianca with a chrome-plated bayonet; the first thrust entered LaBianca's throat.^ Atkins and Folger returned to the living room.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Labianca was already dead when she began to stab her.

^ She says that Watson entered the room and apparently Krenwinkel left and went into the living room.

[104]
Sounds of a scuffle in the bedroom drew Watson there to discover Mrs. LaBianca keeping the women at bay by swinging the lamp tied to her neck. After subduing her with several stabs of the bayonet, he returned to the living room and resumed attacking Mr. LaBianca, stabbed with the bayonet a total of twelve times. .As stated in his autobiography, when Watson finished stabbing LaBianca, he then carved the word "WAR" on LaBianca's abdomen.^ The word WAR had been carved across his torso.

^ Charles "Tex" Watson Is also serving a life sentence for the Tate/LaBianca murders, and is currently housed in Mule Creek State Prison in Northern California.

^ Leno LaBianca was killed by the Manson Family and the word “War” carved on his chest as a sign that Manson’s apocalypse, Helter Skelter, had started.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

[104] .In an unclear portion of her eventual grand jury testimony, Atkins, who did not enter the LaBianca house, possibly stated she believed it was Krenwinkel who had carved the word.^ By then Susan Atkins had repudiated her testimony to the grand jury.

^ But to state he was in the custody of the Manson Family at the time Atkins recanted her grand jury testimony is, I believe, incorrect.

^ Prior to the trial, Susan Atkins repudiated her grand jury testimony.

[96][107] .In a ghost-written newspaper account based on a statement she had made earlier to her attorney,[108] Atkins stated it was Watson who left the word on LaBianca's body.^ The story is that the newspaper account was shown to clients who were told the same would happen to them if they left the program.
  • Suicide or Murder p.2 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC thestraights.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Imagine, if you will, a group of people who state that clouds are made of cotton candy.
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^ Anyway, I left the horse with George Spahn, who said he wouldn't geld it—although he did later on, and it made a sleepy horse out of him.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

[109]
.Returning to the bedroom, Watson found Krenwinkel stabbing Rosemary LaBianca with a knife taken from the kitchen.^ Rosemary LaBianca was stabbed 42 times.

^ Also armed with a knife, Krenwinkel entered Folger's bedroom and gave similar instructions.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Watson, Van Houten and Krenwinkel left Leno and escorted Rosemary back to her bedroom.
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Heeding Manson’s instruction to make sure each of the women played a part, Watson also told Van Houten to stab Mrs. LaBianca.[104] .Van Houten obeyed, stabbing her approximately 16 times in her back and exposed buttocks.^ During her time on the stand Atkins implicated Leslie in the murder of Gary Hinman, saying that Van Houten had been present during his murder.

^ Watson, Van Houten and Krenwinkel left Leno and escorted Rosemary back to her bedroom.
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^ In her 2004 parole hearing Van Houten agreed that she had stabbed Mrs. Labianca between fourteen and sixteen times.

[98][100][106] .At trial, Van Houten would claim uncertainly,[110] that Rosemary LaBianca was dead when she stabbed her.^ Rosemary was able to pull away from Van Houten.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Labianca was already dead when she began to stab her.

^ Rosemary LaBianca was stabbed 42 times.

Autopsy evidence showed that many of Mrs. LaBianca's forty-one stab wounds were inflicted post-mortem.[111]
.While Watson cleaned the bayonet and showered in the home, Krenwinkel wrote "Rise" and "Death to pigs" on the walls and "Healter [sic] Skelter" on the refrigerator door in the LaBiancas' blood.^ He wrote "death to the pigs" on the door.
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]
  • WHO WAS CHARLIE MANSON! 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.think-aboutit.com [Source type: Original source]

^ It was testified in court that Susan Atkins consumed some of Sharon Tate’s blood and then dipped a towel in Tate’s blood and wrote the word “pig” on the wall.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

^ While Charles Watson took a shower and Patricia Krenwinkel wrote words in blood on the wall of the home and on the refrigerator, Van Houten says she wiped the bedroom clean of fingerprints after realizing she had touched the lamp.

.Krenwinkel further inflicted fourteen puncture wounds in Leno LaBianca with an ivory-handled, two-tined carving fork.^ Leno LaBianca was killed by the Manson Family and the word “War” carved on his chest as a sign that Manson’s apocalypse, Helter Skelter, had started.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

^ She goes on to say that the autopsy reports show that Watson inflicted the "fatal wounds" to Mrs. Labianca, but that she feels she contributed.

^ The blade of the steak knife broke off in the man's throat and Watson fetched a double-tined carving fork from the kitchen with which he stabbed the man over and over in the stomach.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.Leaving the carving fork protruding from his stomach, Krenwinkel also left a steak knife she had planted in LaBianca's throat.^ A carving fork protruded from his stomach and the word "WAR" had been carved in his flesh.

^ A carving fork had been stuck in his stomach.

^ Going back into the living room, Krenwinkel saw that the double-tined carving fork was on the floor.
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[92][96][104]
Hoping for a double event, Manson had gone on to direct Kasabian to drive to the Venice home of an actor-acquaintance of hers; another "piggy." Manson left this trio of Family members at the actor's apartment building and drove back to Spahn Ranch, leaving them and the LaBianca's killers to hitchhike home.[92][96] .To thwart Manson's plan Kasabian deliberately knocked on the wrong apartment door, waking a stranger.^ A little while later Manson knocked on Himan's door.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ However, she [Kasabian] felt sure she could find the apartment house, as she had located it when Manson asked her to drive there that night.

.As the group abandoned the murder plan and left, Susan Atkins defecated in the stairwell.^ This morning Good Morning America aired part of a 2002 interview with mass murderer Susan Atkins, conducted by Diane Sawyer.

^ Atkins claimed that she and her cohorts planned to murder Elizabeth Taylor, Richard Burton, Tom Jones, Frank Sinatra and Steve McQueen in various gruesome ways.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ California's director of adult prisons, Suzan Hubbard says she is against compassionate release for mass murderer Susan Atkins.

[112]

Justice system

Investigation

Tate residence

.The Tate murders became news after the Polanski’s housekeeper, Winifred Chapman, had arrived for work on the morning of August 9, 1969, discovering the murder scene.^ Winifred Chapman went to the Tate house to report for work.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ On November 18, 1969, 35-year-old Deputy District Attorney Vincent T. Bugliosi was assigned the Tate-LaBianca murder cases.

^ Debra Tate, the sister of the brutally murdered Sharon Tate Polanski, tearfully urged the board to deny Watson's request.

[113] .On August 10, detectives of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, which had jurisdiction in the Hinman case, informed Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) detectives assigned to the Tate case of the bloody writing at the Hinman house.^ I know the Los Angeles Police Department didn't want to find them.

^ Atkins was placed in the Sybil Brand Institute, a Los Angeles women's house of detention, to await indictment and trial.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ A wave broke in August 1969 when the followers of Charley Manson slaughtered Sharon Tate, her unborn child, her house guests, and the next night repeated the bloody ritual by killing a prominent couple named the La Biancas.
  • The American Meaning of Charley Manson « The Manson “Family” Blog 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC fromspahnranch.wordpress.com [Source type: Original source]

.Originally thinking the Tate murders to be a result of a drug transaction gone bad, the Tate murder-team ignored the information from the sheriff's office and the similarities in both crimes.^ Both the LAPD and the Los Angeles Sheriff's Office started to dig through the rubble of his heavily documented 36 years.

^ But, the LAPD had already decided that the Tate murders were a result of a drug deal gone bad and didn't want to hear about any hippies.

^ The L.A. Sheriff's detectives, on the other hand, now focused their investigation on the Manson family believing that the hippie cult was somehow tied into both the Tate and LaBianca murder cases.

[76][114] While the Tate autopsies were underway, the bodies of the LaBianca's were yet to be discovered.
.Steven Parent, the shooting victim in the Polanski driveway, was determined by detectives to have been an acquaintance of William Garretson, the property caretaker living in the guesthouse.^ At around 11:45 P.M. Saturday night, Parent had come onto the estate to visit William Garretson, the caretaker who was living in the guesthouse.

^ Steven Parent, 18, who had just been visiting the residence's caretaker, a 19-year-old man named William Garretson who lived in the guesthouse behind the property.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Because he traveled so much, he rented out the property to the Polanski's and stayed in the guesthouse when he visited the area.

.Garretson had been hired by Rudi Altobelli to take care of the property while Altobelli was away.^ Rudi Altobelli, the man who bought the Cielo Drive property from Melcher, was an important man in the entertainment industry.

[76] .Held briefly as a suspect, Garretson told police he had neither seen nor heard anything on the murder night.^ When he heard that Linda Kasabian had run from the Cielo murders, Charles Manson made sure she was included on the night of the LaBianca murders.

^ It became more than obvious he did have the power to order people murdered and no one in the Family would have done anything he hadn’t told them to do.

^ Van Houten says that while she was being held down Mrs. Labianca heard the sounds of her husband being murdered in the living room and that she began to struggle with her assailants.

.He was released on August 11, 1969, after undergoing a polygraph examination; the results indicated he had not been involved in the crimes.^ Shortly before midnight on August 8, 1969 the prisoner informed his                         crime partners that now is the time for helter skelter.
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

^ On August the 10th, 1969, the prisoner drove his crime partners to                         a location near the residence of victim Leo and Rosemary LaBanca                         - LaBianca.
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

[76][105] .Interviewed decades later Garretson stated he had, in fact, witnessed a portion of the murders, as the polygraph suggested.^ Bugliosi himself confesses he rarely interviews witnesses just once because they often overlook things they remember later.

^ Years later, when he wrote his book about the crimes, Mr. Bugliosi stated he got the impression I was lying to him about this – that I had, in fact, killed Sharon Tate.

^ In fact even minor witnesses were interviewed for hours and hours.

(See "Later events," below.)[115]

LaBianca residence

.The LaBianca crime scene was discovered on August 10th at about 10:30 p.m., approximately 19 hours after the murders were committed.^ August 10, 1969) Leno LaBianca and his wife Rosemary LaBianca were murdered.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

^ The next day two of the Labianca children, Suzan and Frank, entered the Labianca home and discovered the murders.

^ Not that this excuses instigating a remarkable spree of murder by proxy, but shouldn't we apply the same legal principles to any demogogue who rallies his followers to commit crimes?
  • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

.Fifteen-year-old Frank Struthers — Rosemary's son from a prior marriage and Leno's stepson — returned from a camping trip and was initially disturbed by the exterior condition of the home.^ Frank Struthers, Rosemary's son by a previous marriage, got a ride home.

^ The bodies of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca were discovered the next day by Rosemary's children from a previous marriage, 15-year-old Frank Struthers and his older sister Suzan, along with her boyfriend.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Later that Saturday night, Leno and Rosemary LaBianca and Susan Struthers, Rosemary's 21-year-old daughter, drove back from vacation trailering their boat.

He called his older sister and her boyfriend, Joe Dorgan. .Dorgan accompanied the younger Struthers into the home, discovering Leno LaBianca's body.^ The following night, Leno and Rosemary LaBianca were slaughtered in their home.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The next day two of the Labianca children, Suzan and Frank, entered the Labianca home and discovered the murders.

^ Upon entering the home Van Houten says that Leno and Rosemary Labianca were sitting on the couch with their hands tied, presumably by Manson and Watson.

.Rosemary LaBianca's body was subsequently found by investigating police officers called to the scene.^ In the apartment, investigators found a copy of Esquire magazine, which included articles about the Tate/LaBianca murders.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Weiss called a newscaster, who in turn, called the LAPD. The gun was "found" where it had been "lost" in the Van Nuys police station.

^ Bugliosi said a short buck knife was found within three feet of Tate's body and the Los Angeles Police Department's forensic investigators were unable to find any blood on the knife including the blade.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

[116]
.The LaBianca detectives were generally younger than the Tate team.^ However, the detectives working for the Sheriff's Office were younger and more aggressive than their LAPD counterparts and came to the conclusion that the Tate and LaBianca cases were definitely connected.

^ More important than our belief is the fact that a jury of twelve convicted her of that murder and the other Tate-Labianca murders.

.In a report at the end of August, when virtually all leads had gone nowhere, they noted a possible connection between the bloody writings at the LaBianca house and "the singing group the Beatles’ most recent album."^ You wont listen to me at all, you will probably wright me off as a miss-lead youth who doesnt know what they are talking about.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

^ I noticed that you gave your married last name on the board and that all other's shown had string leading to the area of the community they live in.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Tate Bloody Writing plus LaBianca Bloody writing- the reasonable person would EXPECT it to track back to Hinman.
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[117]
.On August 12, 1969, the LAPD told the press it had ruled out any connection between the Tate and LaBianca homicides.^ I told them what happened at the Tate and LaBianca crimes.

^ However, the detectives working for the Sheriff's Office were younger and more aggressive than their LAPD counterparts and came to the conclusion that the Tate and LaBianca cases were definitely connected.

^ At that point there did not seem to be any direct connection between Beausoleil and the Tate-LaBianca murders, except for some hearsay that Susan Atkins had stabbed a man in the leg.

[105] .On August 16th, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department raided Spahn Ranch, arresting Manson, along with 25 others, as "suspects in a major auto theft ring" that had been stealing Volkswagens.^ August 16 is the same date of the Spahn ranch raid in 1969.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ It's believed that Donald Shea was killed at Spahn Ranch sometime after the August 16th raid on the ranch.

^ On August 16th, the Spahn Ranch was raided by Los Angeles Sheriff's deputies, Van Houten was among the Family members arrested in that raid.

.For some time, the group had been stealing the vehicles and converting them into dune buggies to be used in Manson's version of "the apocalypse". During the raid, weapons were seized, but because the warrant had been misdated, the group was released just a few days later.^ It was a little buggy at times, but mainly just because of the types of touch switches I'd used.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Manson and his group spent a lot of time just talking.
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^ Manson and some of the group visited Myers.
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[118]

Breakthrough

.Still working separately from the Tate team, the LaBianca team checked with the sheriff’s office in mid-October, about the possibility of similar crimes.^ I told them what happened at the Tate and LaBianca crimes.

^ Finally in mid-October, the LAPD began to talk to the Sheriff's Office and decided to investigate similarities between the murder of Gary Hinman and the Tate-LaBianca crimes.

^ Bugliosi argued that Manson had persuaded his "followers" that the Tate-LaBianca crimes would be blamed on blacks.
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.It was then they learned of the Hinman case.^ However, if she cooperated with the prosecution, they would not seek the death penalty against her in any of the three cases: Hinman, Tate and LaBianca.

.They also learned that the Hinman detectives had spoken with Beausoleil’s girlfriend, Kitty Lutesinger who had been arrested a few days earlier with members of "the Manson Family."^ The newest member of the Manson Family?
  • Adoptee Discovers Dad is Charles Manson | Drudge Retort 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.drudge.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ He is not related to Manson or any family member.
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^ They had shaved their heads, mimicking Manson who had shaved his head earlier.

[86]
.The arrests had taken place at the desert ranches—Barker and Myers—where the Family had moved after the Spahn Ranch raid.^ Finally, ready or not, the Family is moved to the desert.

^ I also remember my Father, who was a member of S.E.B. (SWAT) on the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department at the time, trekking all over the desert around Barker Ranch in Death Valley, California with his squad trying to find members of the Manson ‘family’ that had possibly scattered after L.A.P.D. had raided the ranch and arrested Manson and some of his followers for… auto-theft.
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^ Donald “Shorty” Shea had been a ranch hand at Spahn's Ranch ever since the Family moved there the year before.

.It was from these locations that the Family had been searching Death Valley for a hole in the ground and access to the "Bottomless Pit".[75][119][120] Law-enforcement officers had followed clues unwittingly left when Family members vandalized an earthmover owned by Death Valley National Monument.^ I obtained it when I was searching for Mason family members.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ He was so angry and abusive to T.J. when they got back to Spahn’s Ranch that T.J., a long time member of the Family and a friend, left in the middle of the night out of fear for his life.

^ In February 1972, the death sentences of all Manson Family members awaiting execution, were automatically reduced to life in prison by California v.

[121][122][123] .Both Myers and Barker ranches had been raided by a joint force of National Park rangers, officers from the California Highway Patrol and the Inyo County Sheriff’s Office — federal, state, and county personnel.^ Press Release from the office of the Sheriff of Inyo County about the dig today at Barker Ranch.

^ Inyo County Sheriff Office Press release .

^ Inyo County Sheriff Bill Lutz said officers were examining information provided by investigators who probed terrain surrounding Barker Ranch in Death Valley national park.

.During the course of the raids, law enforcement found stolen dune buggies and other vehicles and arrested two- dozen people, including Manson.^ There were two other motivations that Manson had.

^ When he was arrested on August 16, 1969 during the Spahn Ranch raid, he escaped legal action even when they determined he was an escapee from the hospital.
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^ Of all the Manson people convicted of murder, who is the only one who has been released, and has not since run afoul of the law?
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.Manson was apprehended only after a CHP officer found him hiding in a bathroom cabinet beneath the sink.^ About that time, Manson found George Spahn and conned the old man into letting him and his followers live on the Ranch.

^ Because of her description of Manson, Bugliosi believed Manson "was not only capable of committing murder himself, he also possessed the incredible power to command others to kill for him."
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Charles Manson was convicted of conspiracy, and only then found guilty of murder, not by conviction, but by the “Joint Responsibility” rule that makes conspirators guilty of the crimes for which others in the conspiracy have been convicted.
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[86][121]
.A month after they spoke with Lutesinger, the LaBianca detectives made contact with members of the Straight Satans—a motorcycle club Lutesinger had informed the detectives Manson tried to enlist as his bodyguards while the Family was at Spahn Ranch.^ Then they hitchhiked back to Spahn Ranch.
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^ He was a member of the Straight Satans motorcycle club, which was headquartered in Venice.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ He worked at the Spahn Ranch and was not a member of the Manson Family.

[86] .While the Straight Satans were providing information that suggested a link between Manson and the murders,[58][102] a cellmate of Susan Atkins succeeded in informing LAPD of the Family’s involvement in the crimes.^ Partly because of his help in finding Shea's corpse, Grogan became the only person associated with the so-called "Manson Family" murders to be released when he was paroled in 1985.
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^ McGann went on to inform Van Houten that Atkins had said that she (Atkins) had went out the night after the Tate murders and "...killed two more people out in the hills."

^ I have no knowledge of any murders committed by the Manson family, other than those which have already been prosecuted by the authorities.

[58] .As one of the Family members arrested at Barker, Atkins had been booked for the Hinman murder after she’d confirmed to the sheriff’s detectives that she’d been involved in the crime.^ He shamed Bobby Beausoliel into committing the Hinman murder by pointing out that he, Charles Manson, had already shot Bernard Crowe (ostensibly for the Family).

^ That was the moment when it was obvious that when Charles Manson had ordered the murder of Gary Hinman, no one, not the police or the Panthers, was pursuing him.

^ During her time on the stand Atkins implicated Leslie in the murder of Gary Hinman, saying that Van Houten had been present during his murder.

[86][124] .Transferred to Sybil Brand, Atkins had bragged to fellow prisoners, Ronnie Howard and Virginia Graham, about the events in which she had been involved.^ Atkins was placed in the Sybil Brand Institute, a Los Angeles women's house of detention, to await indictment and trial.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Much more important than what knife she used was the fact that she confessed stabbing both of the victims to Virginia Graham and Ronnie Howard.” ( Helter Skelter , pg., 548) .

^ Ronnie Howard felt that she had to tell the police about what Susan had revealed, especially since other people were future targets of the group.

[83] .Howard and Graham reported Atkins' statements to Sybil Brand authorities.^ Atkins was placed in the Sybil Brand Institute, a Los Angeles women's house of detention, to await indictment and trial.
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^ Eventually, Howard contacted authorities about the confessions made to her and Graham.
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^ Because from the DA’s point of view I was the only one he felt he had a good chance of prosecuting thanks to my statements to Virginia Graham and Ronnie Howard.

Apprehension

.On December 1, 1969, acting on the information given by Howard and Graham, warrants were issued in the Tate case for the arrest of Watson, Krenwinkel, and Kasabian.^ She [Kasabian] had been in custody since December 3, 1969.

^ Then Watson indicated that Atkins, Krenwinkel, and Kasabian should follow him.
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^ On the night of August 9th, 1969 Van Houten says she was at Spahn Ranch on the boardwalk, as Manson, Charles Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel, Susan Atkins, Steve Grogan and Linda Kasabian and others began to gather together.

.The suspects' involvement in the LaBianca murders was noted.^ And she has repeatedly lessened her involvement in the murder of Mrs. Labianca, saying that she believes Mrs. Labianca was dead when she stabbed her.

.Manson and Atkins, already in custody, were not mentioned in the warrants.^ But to state he was in the custody of the Manson Family at the time Atkins recanted her grand jury testimony is, I believe, incorrect.

^ AM Michael Wilson says: Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that Susan Atkins never would have harmed anyone if it were not for Manson.
  • Beverly Hills Matchmaker Spills about Manson Family Member Susan Atkins - Los Angeles News - LA Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC blogs.laweekly.com [Source type: General]

.Though Van Houten was also among those who had been arrested near Death Valley, the connection between her and the LaBianca case had not yet come to light.^ Van Houten was charged with two counts of murder in the LaBianca case.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Who don't believe America's greatest days are yet to come?
  • Colbert Mocks Limbaugh's Addiction, Compares Him to Manson, Franken Thrusts Pelvis | NewsBusters.org 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC newsbusters.org [Source type: General]

^ He said that Manson was one of several people who suggested he represent Van Houten, but that he only went to see her after receiving a written request from her.

[52][96][121] Watson and Krenwinkel, were soon arrested, as authorities in McKinney, Texas and Mobile, Alabama had picked them up, respectively, upon notice from the LAPD.[52] Informed that there was a warrant out for her arrest, Kasabian voluntarily surrendered to authorities in Concord, New Hampshire on December 2, 1969.[52]
.Before long, physical evidence such as Krenwinkel's and Watson's fingerprints that had been collected by LAPD at Cielo Drive,[125] was augmented by evidence recovered in other locations.^ Charles Manson, Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten were soon charged with the other grisly murders.
  • Beverly Hills Matchmaker Spills about Manson Family Member Susan Atkins - Los Angeles News - LA Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC blogs.laweekly.com [Source type: General]

^ No fingerprints of Watson, Krenwinkel or Van Houten were found in the home.

^ [Bugliosi] that [Susan] might had made incriminating statements to others, so I asked LAPD to locate any girls Atkins had been particularly close to at Sybil Brand.

.On September 1, 1969, the distinctive .22-caliber Hi Standard "Buntline Special" revolver Watson used in the murders of Parent, Sebring, and Frykowski had been found and given to the police.^ A .22 caliber gun had shot Steve Parent, Jay Sebring and Voytek Frykowski.

^ In the tire well, police found the knife used in Hinman's murder.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ When Frykowski, Folger, Tate, and Sebring assembled in the living room, Watson ordered them to lie on their stomachs on the floor.
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.Steven Weiss, a ten-year-old boy who lived not far from the Tate residence, had discovered the weapon on his lawn in Sherman Oaks.^ On September 1, 1969, a 10-year-old boy found a gun on his lawn in Sherman Oaks.

^ The two and a half years I had the misfortune to live around Charles Manson was longer than almost any of the people who stayed with him.

^ A homely kid who wanted to play guitar, real young, maybe sixteen years old.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

[126] .In mid-December, when the Los Angeles Times published a crime account based on information Susan Atkins had given her attorney,[108] Weiss's father made several phone calls that finally prompted the LAPD to locate the gun and then connect it with the murders through the use of ballistics testing.^ Los Angeles forgave his drug use.

^ Los Angeles Times online article .

^ Los Angeles Times online Article .

[127] .Acting on that same newspaper account, a local ABC television crew quickly located and recovered the bloody clothing discarded by the Tate killers.^ The story is that the newspaper account was shown to clients who were told the same would happen to them if they left the program.
  • Suicide or Murder p.2 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC thestraights.com [Source type: Original source]

^ He drove until he found another brushy area where the killers discarded the clothing that was soaked with blood and changed.
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[128] .The knives discarded by the killers after leaving the Tate residence were never recovered, despite a search by some of the same TV crew and then the LAPD at a later date.^ "While she didn't participate in the infamous murder of actress Susan Tate, she later went with Manson to leave false clues."

^ She asked for permission to contact LAPD, but was repeatedly denied, even though the woman she asked permission was dating one of the Tate case homicide detectives.

[129] .A knife found by detectives behind a chair cushion in the Tate living room during the initial investigation belonged to Susan Atkins, who had lost her knife in the course of the attack.^ Atkins and Folger returned to the living room.
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^ Then he returned to the living room where Atkins was still guarding the sobbing Tate.
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^ It was testified in court that Susan Atkins consumed some of Sharon Tate’s blood and then dipped a towel in Tate’s blood and wrote the word “pig” on the wall.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

[130]

Trial

.Manson's trial began on June 15, 1970.[98] Atkins, Krenwinkel, and Van Houten were tried along with him.^ The trial officially began in mid-June of 1970.

^ It is Charles Manson speaking at his murder trial which began in June of 1970.
  • Suicide or Murder p.2 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC thestraights.com [Source type: Original source]

^ In March 1978 Van Houten's third trial began.

.The main witness for the prosecution was Linda Kasabian, who, like the defendants, had been charged with seven counts of murder and one of conspiracy.^ He was convicted of seven counts of murder.
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^ Leslie was indicted on two counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder.

^ Linda Kasabian was Bugliosi's star witness.
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[53] .Because she did not participate in the killings, Kasabian was granted immunity in exchange for her testimony.^ Linda Kasabian Was granted immunity for giving evidence against Manson and other family members.

^ Atkins admitted to her participation in Grand Jury, even knowing that she was not being granted immunity.
  • FARK.com: (4614237) Terminally ill member of the Manson Family seeks parole. Or extradition to Scotland 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ This should bother him because if I didn’t kill Sharon Tate then there is absolutely no level upon which Linda Kasabian was less culpable than I was.

[49][54][131] .Originally, a deal had been made with Atkins that excluded the death penalty against her in exchange for her testimony before the grand jury on which the indictments were secured.^ By then Susan Atkins had repudiated her testimony to the grand jury.

^ Prior to the trial, Susan Atkins repudiated her grand jury testimony.

^ By December Atkins' lawyer had made a deal that she would testify before the grand jury - truthfully - and in return the prosecution would not seek the death penalty against her in the Hinman, Tate and Labianca cases; nor could they use her testimony against her or any of her co-defendants at trial.

.Atkins, however, recanted her testimony and the deal was withdrawn.^ But to state he was in the custody of the Manson Family at the time Atkins recanted her grand jury testimony is, I believe, incorrect.

^ As far as I'm aware Atkins' child was NOT in the care of the Manson family when she recanted her grand jury testimony.

^ I believe they were prepared to offer immunity even to Susan Atkins in exchange for her testimony.She recanted her confession and the DA’s office withdrew.
  • Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Manson murders, 40 years later 25 September 2009 7:07 UTC hotair.com [Source type: General]

[132] .Because Van Houten had only participated in the LaBianca killings, she was charged with only two counts of murder along with conspiracy to murder for the deaths of the LaBiancas.^ Van Houten says that her resolve to participate in any future murders was strengthened.

^ Van Houten went on to say she only thought about the death of the Labianca's when she was "in court."

^ This of course surprised Van Houten because she knew that Susan Atkins had not been in the Labianca home and had not participated in their murder.

.Judge William Keene granted Manson permission to act as his own attorney.^ The judge assigned to handle the pre-trial motions, William Keene, declared the motions "outlandish" and "nonsensical," and vacated Manson's ability to represent himself.
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^ On December 10th, 1969 Leslie, along with Susan Atkins and Linda Kasabian, were arraigned in the court of Judge William Keene.

^ In picking Kanarek Manson had hoped to pressure the Judge into letting him act as his own lawyer as he had requested before.

.Manson's violations of a gag order and submission of "outlandish" and "nonsensical" pretrial motions led to the revocation of permission for him to act pro se prior to the start of the trial.^ The judge assigned to handle the pre-trial motions, William Keene, declared the motions "outlandish" and "nonsensical," and vacated Manson's ability to represent himself.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ That was the moment when it was obvious that when Charles Manson had ordered the murder of Gary Hinman, no one, not the police or the Panthers, was pursuing him.

^ In picking Kanarek Manson had hoped to pressure the Judge into letting him act as his own lawyer as he had requested before.

[66] .In response, Manson filed an affidavit of prejudice against Judge Keene, who was then replaced by Judge Charles H. Older.^ On April 13th, Charles Manson filed an affidavit of prejudice against Judge Keene.

^ Judge Charles Older presided.

^ The judge assigned to handle the pre-trial motions, William Keene, declared the motions "outlandish" and "nonsensical," and vacated Manson's ability to represent himself.
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[133] .On Friday, July 24, the first day of testimony, Manson appeared in court with an X carved into his forehead.^ Manson arrived in court with a bloody X on his forehead.

^ Manson, who first appeared to the jury with a bloody X that he had carved into his forehead, insisted on defending himself.

^ Manson came to court with an X carved into his forehead; his co-defendants followed suit.
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He further issued a statement that he was "considered inadequate and incompetent to speak or defend [him]self" — and had "X'd [him]self from [the establishment's] world."[134][135] .Over the next two days, the female defendants duplicated the mark on their own foreheads, as did most Family members over the next several days.^ He did, and the other members didn't want to go with him, so he was pretty much on his own.
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^ By the time the Family is arrested in the desert, a month or two in the future, there are only a dozen or so members still there out of a Family that at one time held almost forty.

^ He apparently wanted the other 'family' members to believe blacks did it to confirm his black/white war had begun.
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[136] (Manson's X was eventually replaced by a swastika. See "Remaining in view," below.)
.The prosecution charged that bringing about "Helter Skelter" was the main motive in the killings.^ Helter SKelter motive is just part of it.
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^ To some he insisted the motive was Helter Skelter.

^ I think the most decisive blow to the contention that Helter Skelter was the true motive for the killings was the fact Charles Manson told these men he had just killed a Panther and he needed money to split to the desert and he needed it now !

[137] .The bloody White Album references of pig, rise, healter (sic) skelter left at the crime scenes were correlated with testimony about Manson's predictions that the murders blacks would commit at the outset of Helter Skelter would involve the writing of "pigs" on walls in victims’ blood.^ Words were written in the victim's blood on the walls.

^ Manson called this conflict Helter Skelter, named so for a song by the Beatles on the WHITE ALBUM .

^ In fact, the murders were to simulate black on white murders.
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[70][138] .Manson's testimony, "now is the time for Helter Skelter", was supplemented with Kasabian’s testimony that on the night of the LaBianca murders, Manson considered discarding Rosemary LaBianca's wallet in the street of a African American neighborhood.^ Her [Kasabian’s] testimony was also at times very moving.

^ Rosemary LaBianca was stabbed 42 times.

^ Now is the time for helter skelter.  .
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[92] Taking the wallet from the LaBianca house, he "wanted a black person to pick it up and use the credit cards so that the people, the establishment, would think it was some sort of an organized group that killed these people."[139] Following Manson's direction, Kasabian had hidden the wallet in the women's rest room of a service station near an African American area of Los Angeles.[78][92][96][140] ."I want to show blackie how to do it," Manson had said as the Family members had driven along after the departure from the LaBianca house.^ He is not related to Manson or any family member.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ The newest member of the Manson Family?
  • Adoptee Discovers Dad is Charles Manson | Drudge Retort 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.drudge.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ I believe the policeman may have wanted the photo to be public to show the connection to Marilyn Manson.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

[139]

Ongoing disruptions

.During the trial, Family members loitered near the entrances and in the corridors of the Los Angeles County Courthouse.^ The Family was growing daily in Los Angeles .

^ She worked as a volunteer social worker for the Los Angeles County Welfare Department and campaigned for Robert Kennedy and Tom Bradley and was active in the Civil Rights movement.

^ Atkins was placed in the Sybil Brand Institute, a Los Angeles women's house of detention, to await indictment and trial.
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.In order to keep them out of the courtroom itself, the prosecution subpoenaed them as prospective witnesses who would not be able to enter while others were testifying.^ In the end, despite my fears, I agreed to testify before the Grand Jury in order to indict Manson and the others responsible for the crimes.

^ Marilyn Manson basically followed in Charles Manson’s footsteps, who at 5’2” had a small man’s complex and felt the necessity to bully and manipulate others in order to feel important.
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^ If he had left me as the DA’s main witness he would have been able to continue to threaten me with my son and undermine the prosecution’s attack.

[141] .When the group established itself on the sidewalks in front of the courthouse, each of the "hard-core" members wore a sheathed hunting knife.^ She was a very hard-core member of the Manson family who was willing to do his bidding."
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

Since their knives were not concealed but in plain view, their possession of the knives was legal. .Each of the Family members were also identifiable by the X's on their foreheads.^ Those “family” members crawling on the sidewalk, shaving their heads, swastikas on their foreheads.
  • Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Manson murders, 40 years later 25 September 2009 7:07 UTC hotair.com [Source type: General]

[142]
.Some Family members attempted to dissuade witnesses from testifying.^ However, many of the victims would be “persons who Charles Manson knew” and some would be “persons that members of “the Family” had met” and others would be “rich” (i.e.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

^ She was a witness for the defense in the trial of Manson and other family members on charges that they were responsible for the Tate LaBianca murders in the late 1960's.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Hoyt was one of the prosecution's witnesses, who was threatened that if she testified at the trial, she and her family would be killed.

.Prosecution witnesses Paul Watkins and Juan Flynn were both threatened;[143][144] Watkins was later badly burned in his van from a fire of suspicious origin.^ Kasabian later served as a witness for the prosecution.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ Many of the witnesses from the first trial testified again, such as Linda Kasabian and Paul Watkins.

^ If he had left me as the DA’s main witness he would have been able to continue to threaten me with my son and undermine the prosecution’s attack.

[143] .Former Family member Barbara Hoyt, who had overheard Susan Atkins describing the Tate murders to Family member Ruth Ann Moorehouse, agreed to accompany Moorehouse to Hawaii.^ The Family members not on trial - Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, Catherine "Gypsy" Share, Ruth Ann Moorehouse, Steve "Clem" Grogan and Sandra Good - took the stand and put the blame for the murders on Linda Kasabian who had been the prosecution's star witness, telling of both nights of murder.

^ It was testified in court that Susan Atkins consumed some of Sharon Tate’s blood and then dipped a towel in Tate’s blood and wrote the word “pig” on the wall.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

^ In my interviews with former Charles Manson family member Susan Atkins, who is still in prison after being convicted of eight murders, Atkins blew the lid off of Anton’s lie.
  • Good Fight Ministries - Marilyn Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.goodfight.org [Source type: Original source]

There, Moorehouse allegedly gave her a hamburger laced with LSD. Found sprawled on a Honolulu curb in a drug-induced semi-stupor, Hoyt was taken to the hospital. .While there, still under the influence of the LSD, she struggled to identify herself as a witness in the Tate-LaBianca murder trial.^ There were two trials for the Tate-LaBianca murderers.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Tate/LaBianca trials.
  • Tofulator: Lost in Translation » Charles Manson’s Epic Question 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.tofulator.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ He testified at the Tate/LaBianca trial.
  • Tofulator: Lost in Translation » Charles Manson’s Epic Question 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.tofulator.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.Before the incident, Hoyt had been a reluctant witness; after the attempt to silence her, her reluctance disappeared.^ "Ford was puzzled by these shooting attempts,'' recalled presidential press secretary Ron Nessen, who witnessed both incidents.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: December 2006 19 September 2009 14:014 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ He lied about the attempt on the life of witness Barbara Hoyt.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

[145]
.Despite precautions taken by the court, Manson flashed the jury a Los Angeles Times front page whose headline was "Manson Guilty, Nixon Declares" on August 4th.^ On August 4th, Manson held up a newspaper headline that proclaimed: " Manson Guilty, Nixon Declares" .

^ Despite pains being taken to keep the jury from hearing or reading about the President's remarks they would eventually learn what he had said.

^ Until O.J. Simpson turned up, Manson probably was Los Angeles' biggest homicidal celebrity.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

.The previous day, U.S. President Richard Nixon had spoke-out publicly about what he saw as the media's glamorization of Manson.^ Charles Manson Murders) propelled Elvis’ desire for guns and police badges and would one day bring him to Washington DC (unannounced) to obtain a Federal Narcotics Badge from President Richard Nixon with the photographs becoming…infamous.
  • ELVIS Blog by Jeff Schrembs 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC elviscollector.info [Source type: General]

^ By the way I hope you relize that there was a tradegy at a school, and Marilyn Manson found out about it and it isn’t pretty.
  • Revisit the Juiciest Marilyn Manson Rumors Ever : Rolling Stone : Rock and Roll Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.rollingstone.com [Source type: General]

^ I heard a story on a podcast about a reporter who found out how dangerous Manson could be even if he is behind bars.
  • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

.Judge Older proceeded to invoke the process of voir dire, however, the jurors contended that seeing the headline had not influenced them.^ Ira Reiner and Paul Fitzgerald told the Los Angeles Times that the defense had been told to "remain silent" during voir dire and not question prospective jurors.

^ This resulted in the Judge questioning each juror to see if they could continue to remain objective despite having seen the headline.

.The following day, defendants Atkins, Krenwinkel, and Van Houten stood up and recited in unison that, in light of Nixon's remark, there was no point in going on with the trial.^ There is no point to it.
  • Big Hollywood » Blog Archive » Debating Leftists is Like Debating Charles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC bighollywood.breitbart.com [Source type: General]

^ Atkins, Krenwinkel and Van Houten stood up and started chanting in Latin.

^ I did get a little bit of money from the Corral, but there was no point in me playing with the band.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

[146]
.On October 5, Manson was denied the court's permission to question a prosecution witness whom the defense attorneys had declined to cross-examine.^ He had forced each of us to fire our court-appointed attorneys and to hire attorneys who had solicited Manson.

^ However, Manson spoke out in court and demanded to examine him.

^ Kanarek was a California lawyer who became famous years ago as Charles Manson's defense attorney.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

.Suddenly leaping over the defense table, Manson attempted to attack the judge.^ Suddenly, Manson leapt across the defense table with a sharpened pencil in his hand, heading toward the Judge.

^ The defense attorneys told the Judge that the girls wanted to testify and say that they had planned and committed the murders - and that Manson was not involved.

.Wrestled to the ground by bailiffs, he was removed from the courtroom with the three female defendants, who had subsequently risen and begun chanting in Latin.^ Later in court the three female defendants each stood in turn and said: "If Your Honor does not respect Mr. Manson's rights, you need not respect mine."

^ Manson and the three female defendants had shaved their heads for the reading of their verdicts.

[78] Thereafter, Older allegedly began wearing a revolver under his robe.[78]

Defense rests

.Twenty-two weeks after the trial began, the prosecution rested their case on November 16, 1970. After arguing standard dismissal motions and without calling a single witness, the defense rested their case three days later on November 19th.^ Three days later Sinclair was released.
  • Timeline 1971 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC timelines.ws [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ I didn't do anything for two or three days after that.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: December 2006 19 September 2009 14:014 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ After 22 weeks of trial, the Prosecution rested.

.Shouting their disapproval, Atkins, Krenwinkel, and Van Houten demanded their right to testify.^ While this was going on Van Houten, Krenwinkel and Atkins stood and chanted and shouted in Latin.

^ During her time on the stand Atkins implicated Leslie in the murder of Gary Hinman, saying that Van Houten had been present during his murder.

^ Watson, Van Houten and Krenwinkel left Leno and escorted Rosemary back to her bedroom.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[147] .In the judge's chambers, the lawyers representing the women told Judge Older their clients wanted to testify that they had planned and committed the crimes without Manson's involvement.^ The defense attorneys told the Judge that the girls wanted to testify and say that they had planned and committed the murders - and that Manson was not involved.

^ The judge assigned to handle the pre-trial motions, William Keene, declared the motions "outlandish" and "nonsensical," and vacated Manson's ability to represent himself.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ The story is that the newspaper account was shown to clients who were told the same would happen to them if they left the program.
  • Suicide or Murder p.2 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC thestraights.com [Source type: Original source]

[147] .By resting their case, the defense lawyers were working to put a stop to such testimony.^ In their summary statements to the jury, the defense lawyers argued that the prosecution had failed to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt so they did not need to put on a defense.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Our defense lawyers put forth no defense during the trial and then the entire defense was laid out during the penalty phase.

^ This revelation was such a bomb blast that Vincent Bugliosi states in his account that without my testimony they had no case at all.

Van Houten's attorney, Ronald Hughes, vehemently stated he would not "push a client out the window." It was Bugliosi's opinion that Manson was advising the women to implicate themselves as a means of saving himself.[147] Speaking about the trial in a 1987 documentary, Krenwinkel stated, "The entire proceedings were scripted — by Charlie."[148]
.Manson finally testified on November 20, 1970. In accordance with the California Supreme Court's decision in People v.^ Only twelve people in the country have the right to INTERPRET the law the way they would like and they are Supreme Court Justices.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ November 24, 2006 - 20:33 ET by thefirststrike So if you dislike this site and the people so it so much, why do you come here?
  • Colbert Mocks Limbaugh's Addiction, Compares Him to Manson, Franken Thrusts Pelvis | NewsBusters.org 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC newsbusters.org [Source type: General]

^ But just one year later, the California Supreme Court abolished the death penalty, leaving him alive but behind bars for life.
  • 'MSNBC Live'  for Sept. 5 - Morning Joe- msnbc.com 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.msnbc.msn.com [Source type: General]

.Aranda
, the jury was removed from the courtroom so Manson was free to make statements where he might implicate his co-defendants.^ Bugliosi stated the result was that Manson had four attorneys and my co-defendants and I had none.

^ When Manson and his girls were removed from the court, a shaken Judge Older instructed the jury to disregard what they heard and saw, but the effect was indelible.

^ "We, the jury in the above-entitled action, having found the defendant Charles Manson guilty of murder in the first degree...do now fix the penalty as death."

[149] .Speaking for more than an hour, among the things Manson said was, "the music is telling the youth to rise up against the establishment."^ Is it a conspiracy that the music is telling youth to rise against the establishment because the establishment is rapidly destroying things?

^ Don't get it more fucked up than the world has already made it.'"
  • The Top 10 Secret Celebrity Scientologists | Cracked.com 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.cracked.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Charles Manson became better at telling his stories, learning what best held the interests and imaginations of the idealistic youths.

.Manson continued by saying, "Why blame it on me?^ Manson had said, "Look, if I had all this power you say I have, why wouldn't I just say, 'Brenda, get Bugliosi?'"
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Van Houten says that Manson's talk of Helter Skelter continued in this vein until shortly before the Tate-Labianca murders.

^ MileyCyrusLooksLikeAChipmunk says – reply to this 44 Can someone explain why Manson didn't get the death penalty?
  • Perez Hilton: Charles Manson Is His Daddy! 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC perezhilton.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

.I didn’t write the music."^ I didn't write the music.

."To be honest with you," Manson further stated, "I don’t recall ever saying 'Get a knife and a change of clothes and go do what Tex says.'"^ I'm going to read you what he had to say.
  • Mae Brussell's Radio Broadcast of October 13, 1971 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.maebrussell.com [Source type: Original source]

^ INMATE MANSON: But you don't understand.
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

^ I says, 'if you don't stop doing that I'm going to spank you, I'm going to whip you.'

[150]

Conviction and penalty phase

.On January 25, 1971, guilty verdicts were returned against Manson and the three women on each of the twenty-seven separate counts against them.^ On December 8th, 1969 the Los Angeles County grand jury returned indictments against Manson, Atkins, Watson, Krenwinkel, Kasabian and Van Houten.

^ On January 15, 1971, seven months after the start of the trial, the jury began to deliberate.

^ Manson, Atkins and Krenwinkel were charged with seven counts of murder for the Tate-LaBianca victims.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[151] .During deliberations, what jurors had to work with was considering Manson's presented defense and the testimony of Atkins, Krenwinkel and Van Houten.^ And their deaths were described in testimony by Atkins, Watson, and Van Houten, and Krenwinkle.
  • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Atkins was present at the Hinman murder, although Beausoleil and Manson were the actual killers.
  • FARK.com: (4614237) Terminally ill member of the Manson Family seeks parole. Or extradition to Scotland 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ The grounds of Keith's defense of Van Houten was diminished capacity.

[152] .The three female defendants claimed on the stand that the murders had been conceived as "copycat" versions of the Hinman murder, for which Atkins took credit.^ Murdered Mary Joe Kopechne at Chappaquiddick, now claims to defend women’s rights, what about the right to live and grow old?
  • Colbert Mocks Limbaugh's Addiction, Compares Him to Manson, Franken Thrusts Pelvis | NewsBusters.org 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC newsbusters.org [Source type: General]

^ Atkins claimed that she and her cohorts planned to murder Elizabeth Taylor, Richard Burton, Tom Jones, Frank Sinatra and Steve McQueen in various gruesome ways.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Mary Brunner was identified and charged as a co-defendant for the murder of Gary Hinman.

.The killings, they said, were intended to draw suspicion away from Bobby Beausoleil, by mimicking the crime he had been jailed for.^ And we put them I jail because they kill.

^ What continues to puzzle me is what Charles Manson and Bobby Beausoliel said on the phone that led Bobby to kill Gary .

^ I had been implicated in the crimes because I’d told two women in Jail I had killed Sharon Tate.

.On the basis that Linda Kasabian had been in love with Beausoleil, they further claimed that this plan had been orchestrated and carried out by her.^ The final (fictional) version would run something like this; Linda Kasabian was madly in love with Bobby Beausoliel.

^ They chose to kill and when it became objectionable to one of them, Linda Kasabian for instance, she did not kill.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Linda [Kasabian] had already testified that Manson ordered the girls to make love to male visitors to induce them to join the Family...” ( Helter Skelter , pg.

[153] .Among some of the weak points in their testimony was the inability of Atkins to explain why she had written "political piggy" at Hinman's residence.^ That's why I taught me daughter, when she meets up with some like that, and they start discussing politics, tell them "Those are really nice shoes."
  • Big Hollywood » Blog Archive » Debating Leftists is Like Debating Charles Manson 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC bighollywood.breitbart.com [Source type: General]

^ Then he decided to try to make this killing look like the work of political radicals and wrote "political piggy" in Hinman's blood on a wall of his residence.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Then, as Atkins had done the night before, and Beausoleil had done at the Hinman residence, Krenwinkel left messages printed in blood: RISE, DEATH TO PIGS, and a misspelled HEALTER SKELTER. .
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

[138][153] .The bizarre behavior and statements of the defendants continued into the penalty phase of the trial.^ After prosecution and defense arguments in the penalty phase of the trial were over, the jury began deliberations on March 26th, 1971.

^ On March 29, 1971, the jury completed deliberations on the penalty phase of the trial.

^ My testimony during the Penalty Phase of the trial was so ridiculous the Prosecutor claimed the holes in my story were a mile wide.

.Manson shaved his head and trimmed his beard to a fork, telling the press, "I am the Devil, and the Devil always has a bald head."^ They had shaved their heads, mimicking Manson who had shaved his head earlier.

^ Manson and the three female defendants had shaved their heads for the reading of their verdicts.

[154] .In what the prosecution regarded as belated recognition on their part that imitation of Manson only proved his domination, the female defendants waited to shave their heads until the jurors retired to weigh the state's request for the death penalty.^ Manson and the three female defendants had shaved their heads for the reading of their verdicts.

^ Can't wait until that dog who shiats on my lawn every morning dies a miserable death and is reincarnated as a pooper scooper.
  • FARK.com: (4614237) Terminally ill member of the Manson Family seeks parole. Or extradition to Scotland 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Due to the convictions of a bare majority of the Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court, the death penalty in America as it was imposed up until 1972 was determined to be unconstitutionally arbitrary.

[152][154]
.The effort to exonerate Manson via the "copycat" scenario did not sway the jury.^ True Fact: Manson was not allowed to testify at his own trail, because Bugsy said his hypnotic powers might sway the Jury's openion.
  • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

.On March 29, 1971, verdicts for all four defendants returned in favor of death on all counts.^ They listened over a loudspeaker to the rest of the verdicts, all of which were death against all four defendants.

^ Judge Older sentenced all four defendants to death.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ All four defendants received the death penalty.

[138] .On the same day the verdicts and juror recommendation that the death penalty be instituted were announced, news came that Van Houten's missing attorney, Ronald Hughes, had been found in Ventura County.^ That same day a body, suspected to be Ronald Hughes, was found in Ventura County.

^ Nine days later, it came to a verdict.

^ Judge Keene appointed Marvin Part as Van Houten's new counsel.

.Hughes' badly-decomposed body was discovered wedged between two boulders near Sespe Hot Springs, where he had been vacationing.^ During the recess in the trial Hughes had gone on a camping trip near Sespe Hot Springs, CA. A Volkswagen Hughes and two friends had taken on the trip became stuck in mud.

^ Two days later the police still hadn’t discovered Gary ’s body.

^ Deputies said that there was no telephone service to Sespe Hot Springs.

[155] .It was rumored, although never proven, that Hughes was murdered by the Family, possibly because he had stood up to Manson and refused to allow Van Houten to take the stand and absolve Manson of the crimes.^ "Because we wanted to do a crime that would shock the world, that the world would have to stand up and take notice."

^ He would allow the girls to take the stand.

^ New profile of Manson Family murderer Leslie Van Houten .

[156] Another, less ominous theory, suggested he had been the victim of a flash-flood while out hiking.[157][158] Family member Sandra Good stated that Hughes' death was "the first of the retaliation murders."[159][160] The actual cause of his death has never been determined.
.As the trial began to conclude and closing arguments on both sides were approaching, Van Houten's attorney, Ronald Hughes, failed to return to court on November 30, 1970 after a court-mandated recess.^ In March 1978 Van Houten's third trial began.

^ On November 30th, Ronald Hughes, attorney for Leslie Van Houten failed to appear when court resumed.

^ On January 20th, a judge ruled that the retrial of Van Houten would remain in Los Angeles after both defense and prosecution attorneys agreed that the entire state was "saturated" with publicity about the case.

[161] .When Maxwell Keith was appointed to represent Van Houten in Hughes' absence, a delay of more than two weeks was required to permit Keith to familiarize himself with the voluminous trial transcripts.^ Maxwell Keith again represented Leslie.

^ Maxwell Keith, who replaced Ronald Hughes after he disappeared during her first trial, represented Van Houten.

^ Maxwell Keith was appointed.

[161] .When the trial resumed just before Christmas, disruptions of the prosecution's closing argument by the defendants ensued, leading Judge Older to ban all four of the defendants from the courtroom for the remainder of the guilt phase.^ Judge Older sentenced all four defendants to death.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Again, Older had them all removed from the courtroom.

^ Judge Older called a recess before final arguments began.

Older felt the defendants were acting in collusion with each other and were simply putting on a "performance".[162]
.On April 19, 1971, Judge Older sentenced the four to death.^ Judge Older sentenced all four defendants to death.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Earlier this year, Spector was found guilty of second-degree murder in a retrial of the death of actress Lana Clarkson and sentenced to 19 years to life in prison.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ On April 19, 1971, Superior Court Judge Charles H. Older pronounced the judgment: "It is my considered judgment that not only is the death penalty appropriate, but it is almost compelled by the circumstances.

[163]

After Manson's trial

.Because of the length of the proceedings to extradite him from Texas,[101][106][164][165] Tex Watson was tried separately from Manson and the others.^ Charles "Tex" Watson, because of extradition proceedings and other legal complications did not stand trial until later in the year and was also found guilty of murder and conspiracy to commit murder.

^ Tex Watson was anti-social before Manson.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ One of his followers tried to explain that he wasn’t brainwashed by Manson but impressed by him: “The words that would come from Manson’s mouth would not come from inside him, [they] would come from what I call the Infinite.” .
  • The American Meaning of Charley Manson « The Manson “Family” Blog 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC fromspahnranch.wordpress.com [Source type: Original source]

.Watson's trial began in August 1971. By October, he had been found guilty on seven counts of murder and one count of conspiracy.^ Leslie was indicted on two counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder.

^ No, Tex Watson was convicted of seven counts of murder.
  • Tofulator: Lost in Translation » Charles Manson’s Epic Question 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.tofulator.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Leslie was found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and two counts of murder in the fist degree.

.Unlike the others, Watson's lawyers presented a psychiatric defense, however, during the trial prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi was able to paint a different picture for the jury.^ In their summary statements to the jury, the defense lawyers argued that the prosecution had failed to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt so they did not need to put on a defense.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ Steven Kay, who had been a prosecutor during Leslie's first trial, assumed that role again.

^ It wasn’t until the trial started that Vincent Bugliosi finally found out about the suspected murder of Bernard Crowe.

.Following the guilty verdict, Watson was also sentenced to death.^ Manson, Atkins and two other followers, Patricia Krenwinkle and Leslie Van Houten, were convicted and sentenced to death.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ All three were found guilty of first-degree murder, and sentenced to death.
  • The Manson Myth by Denise Noe 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.crimemagazine.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ In California a guilty verdict during the guilt phase of the trial is followed by a penalty phase, where the jury determines the penalty imposed.

[95]
In February 1972, the death sentences of all five parties were automatically reduced to life in prison by California v. Anderson, 493 P.2d 880, 6 Cal. .3d 628 (Cal. 1972) as the Supreme Court of California abolished the death penalty in that state.^ Anderson , in which the Supreme Court of California abolished the death penalty in that state.

^ In 1972, the California Supreme Court abolished the death penalty in the state and all of the defendants are serving life sentences.

^ The sentences were commuted to life when the death penalty was temporarily outlawed in the United States in the 1970s."
  • FARK.com: (4614237) Terminally ill member of the Manson Family seeks parole. Or extradition to Scotland 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

[166] .Upon his incarceration, Manson's rhetoric and hippie speeches were not accepted amongst the prison population at San Quentin.^ Why would they be willing to follow you anywhere -- even to the gas chamber at San Quentin?” “Because I tell them the truth,” Manson replied.

^ He was even convicted of some of the mass murders committed by his fans and is now serving a life sentence in San Quentin Prison.
  • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

^ Although many life-term prisoners havecome and gone from behind bars while Atkins has been incarcerated, none of the Manson killers has been paroled.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

.While there, he eventually found temporary acceptance from the Aryan Brotherhood with his role as a submissive to a sexually-aggressive member of the Brotherhood.^ I was eventually transferred out of Quentin and wound up in Tracy Prison, where the Nuestra Familia was the dominant gang and they were enemies with the Aryan Brotherhood.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

[167]
.In a 1971 trial that took place after his Tate/LaBianca convictions, Manson was found guilty of the murders of Gary Hinman and Donald "Shorty" Shea and was given a life sentence.^ Gary Hinman was found murdered in his home.
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^ There were two trials for the Tate-LaBianca murderers.
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^ Manson was convicted of murder and conspiracy in 1971.
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.Shea was a Spahn Ranch stuntman and horse wrangler who had been killed approximately ten days after the August 16, 1969, sheriff's raid on the ranch.^ That day a massive police raid descended on Spahn Ranch.
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^ August 16 is the same date of the Spahn ranch raid in 1969.
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^ It's believed that Donald Shea was killed at Spahn Ranch sometime after the August 16th raid on the ranch.

.Manson, who suspected that Shea helped set up the raid, had apparently believed Shea was trying to get Spahn to run the Family off the ranch.^ He worked at the Spahn Ranch and was not a member of the Manson Family.

^ He was already trying to set up an alibi.

^ It's believed that Donald Shea was killed at Spahn Ranch sometime after the August 16th raid on the ranch.

.There is also a possibility that Shea knew of the Family's involvement in the Tate/LaBianca killings.^ There were more victims of the Family than Tate/LaBianca.
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^ By the way, I have several friends whom I do not discuss with others…Cathy Gillies, Dianne Lake , inside the Family, the LaBianca and Tate family outside.
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^ There were two trials for the Tate-LaBianca murderers.
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[58][168] .In separate trials, Family members Bruce Davis and Steve "Clem" Grogan were also found guilty of Shea's murder.^ The Family members not on trial - Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, Catherine "Gypsy" Share, Ruth Ann Moorehouse, Steve "Clem" Grogan and Sandra Good - took the stand and put the blame for the murders on Linda Kasabian who had been the prosecution's star witness, telling of both nights of murder.

^ [Potential witnesses] needed only to pick up a newspaper or turn on TV to see that many of the Family members were still roaming the streets; that Steve Grogan, aka Clem, was out on bail, while the Inyo County grand theft charges against Bruce Davis had been dismissed for lack of evidence.

^ Charles "Tex" Watson, because of extradition proceedings and other legal complications did not stand trial until later in the year and was also found guilty of murder and conspiracy to commit murder.

[58][95][169]

Remaining in view

The Folsom State Prison, one of the facilities where Manson has been held.
.On September 5, 1975, the Family rocketed back to national attention when Squeaky Fromme attempted to assassinate U.S. President Gerald Ford.^ Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme Was convicted of attempting to assassinate President Gerald L. Ford in 1975 and sentenced to life in prison.

^ Also, perhaps because of Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme's failed attempt to assassinate President Gerald Ford in 1975, even though it is unlikely that Manson put her up to it.

^ One of the women first associated with Manson, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, made headlines in 1975 when she pointed a gun at then-President Gerald Ford at an outdoor event in Berkeley, Calif.
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[170] .The attempt took place in Sacramento, to which she and Manson follower Sandra Good had moved to be near Manson while he was incarcerated at Folsom State Prison.^ During the following eight months in PHU, he was placed on "restricted status" for refusing to conform to prison regulations and had his visits and phone calls restricted.

^ And once again Charles Manson must have felt he had to cover up, not only the true motive for the quick move and the change in the Family philosophy of love and acceptance, but for the bungling that took place in his murders.

^ Manson could have gone much sooner on his own, but he’s afraid to move without his bodyguard of followers.

.A subsequent search of the apartment shared by Fromme, Good, and a Family recruit turned up evidence that, coupled with later actions on the part of Good, resulted in Good's conviction for conspiring to send threatening communications through the United States mail and transmitting death threats by way of interstate commerce.^ The next year, Sandra Good was convicted of "issuing threatening communications through interstate commerce."
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^ Earlier searches, in the same area, had failed to turn up any evidence.

^ Sandra Good Was convicted of "issuing threatening communications through interstate commerce" in 1975 and served ten years at the Federal Correctional Institute, Terminal Island, California.

.(The threats that were involved were against corporate executives and US government officials and had to do with supposed environmental dereliction on their part.^ Louis spoke out against the US government during the 1957 Little Rock, Ark.
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)[170] .Fromme was sentenced to 15 years to life, becoming the first person sentenced under United States Code Title 18, chapter 84 (1965),[171] which made it a Federal crime to attempt to assassinate the President of the United States.^ Fromme, who is in prison for the attempted assassination of President Ford in 1975, is serving her life sentence at the Federal Medical Center, in Carswell,Texas.

^ Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme Was convicted of attempting to assassinate President Gerald L. Ford in 1975 and sentenced to life in prison.

^ He was a person who had been in jail twenty-two of his thirty-two years of life.

.In 1977, authorities learned the precise location of the remains of Shorty Shea and that, contrary to Family claims, Shea had not been dismembered and buried in several places.^ Donald “Shorty” Shea had been a ranch hand at Spahn's Ranch ever since the Family moved there the year before.

^ Shea was reportedly hacked to pieces out behind the Ranch and buried in several deep holes.

^ It had become part of Manson Family lore, possibly to frighten all members who had mutinous thought, that Shea was decapitated by Grogan and had been cut up and buried in nine separate places at Spahn Ranch.

.Contacting the prosecutor in his case, Steve Grogan told him Shea’s corpse had been buried in one piece; he drew a map that pinpointed the location of the body, which was recovered.^ One of those imprisoned for Shea's murder, Steve Grogan, drew a map for authorities showing where the body had been buried.
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^ Shorty Shea may have a disagreement with you on that one - if they could ever find the body at the ranc h.
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^ He then psyched out Steve Grogan into the Shea murder by pointing to Bobby Beausoliel and Watson.

.Of those convicted of Manson-ordered murders, Grogan would become, in 1985, the first—and, as of 2009, the only—to be paroled.^ Manson was convicted of murder and conspiracy in 1971.
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^ He was convicted of first-degree murder.

^ Charles Manson convicted of murder .

[172]
In the 1980s, Manson gave three notable interviews. The first, recorded at California Medical Facility and aired June 13, 1981, was by Tom Snyder for NBC's The Tomorrow Show. .The second, recorded at San Quentin Prison and aired March 7, 1986, was by Charlie Rose for CBS News Nightwatch; it won the national news Emmy Award for "Best Interview" in 1987.[173] The last, with Geraldo Rivera in 1988, was part of that journalist's prime-time special on Satanism.^ The second was with CBS News and I don't have an air date for that one yet.

^ In 1976, while at the state prison in Tracy , California , BeauSoleil resumed his earlier collaboration with Kenneth Anger, nearly ten years after their parting of ways in San Francisco .
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^ Apr 15, In the 43rd Academy Awards "Patton" won for best picture and George C Scott won best actor for his role as Patton.
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[174] .At least as early as the Snyder interview, Manson's forehead bore a swastika, in the spot where the X carved during his trial had been.^ Charles Manson appeared medicated to various degrees during the time he was being interviewed, and displayed varying moods – so perhaps the fantastic parts of his story were not intentionally erroneous.

^ The Motive: Manson progressed through several levels of Scientology training during his early prison stints, but his true obsessions were the Bible and the Beatles.
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^ As for motive as I recall the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner ran a blaring headline during the trial proclaiming the Sharon Tate knew Charles Manson.
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[175]
.On September 25, 1984, while imprisoned at the California Medical Facility at Vacaville, Manson was severely burned by a fellow inmate who poured paint thinner on him and set him alight.^ And it produces the risk of making Charles Manson the hero of misguided young people who don’t actually know anything about him.

^ Knowing he has no chance of parole, Manson frequently plays with those who talk to him, posing as the dangerous superman of myth.
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^ Manson was working undercover with Elvis's before Elvis turned on Charlie and set him up as the fall guy.
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.The other prisoner, Jan Holmstrom, explained that Manson had objected to his Hare Krishna chants and had verbally threatened him.^ Prison officials deny a guard slipped Spector a note from Manson and also told ABC News and others that the story could of only come from Spector's handlers and wife.
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^ If Manson will publicly threaten to have his fans do violence and even kill for him, it may be reasonable to ask, if he does not also sometimes use such an approach in his lyrics.
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^ In addition the local bikers, once friends, were beginning to resent Manson for pulling their members away and they had actually threatened him several times.

.Despite suffering second- and third-degree burns over 20 percent of his body, Manson recovered from his injuries.^ And this was despite the fact that, nine months ago, ninety percent of the legal community believed there would be no way to convict Manson.

^ Shortly after the Crowe shooting, Manson and his group suffered a second major blow.
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[176]
.In December 1987, Fromme, serving a life sentence for the assassination attempt, escaped briefly from Alderson Federal Prison Camp in West Virginia.^ He was sentenced to life in prison at Vacaville, Ca.
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^ Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme Was convicted of attempting to assassinate President Gerald L. Ford in 1975 and sentenced to life in prison.

^ When Kathleen and her brother were both sentenced to the penitentiary for armed robbery, Charlie got sent off to live with his aunt and uncle in McMechen, West Virginia.

.She was trying to reach Manson, whom she had heard had testicular cancer; she was apprehended within days.^ The next day, Walleman told Manson that he had heard on TV that a high-ranking Black Panther had been found shot and killed.
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^ Whenever he heard that an attorney for one of the girls had initiated a move on behalf of his client which could conceivably run counter to Manson's own defense, within days that attorney would be removed from the case....Manson's goal: to run the entire defense himself.

^ Whenever he heard that an attorney for one of the girls had initiated a move on behalf of his client which could conceivably run counter to Manson’s own defense, within days that attorney would be removed from the case.” ( Helter Skelter , pg., 269) .

[170] She was released on parole from Federal Medical Center, Carswell on August 14, 2009.[177]

Later events

.In a 1994 conversation with Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi, Catherine Share, a one-time Manson-follower, stated that her testimony in the penalty phase of Manson’s trial had been a fabrication intended to save Manson from the gas chamber and had been given on Manson’s explicit direction.^ So this was the new plan Manson unfolded for the penalty phase of the trial.

^ And I’ve shown that even the Prosecutor admits my testimony on the witness stand during the penalty phase of the trial was almost complete nonsense directed by Manson with the sole purpose of shifting the responsibility for the crimes off Manson and onto myself and my co-defendants.

^ Prosecutor Bugliosi's first mistake was taking what the attention-craving Atkins said about Manson as gospel.
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[170] .Share’s testimony had introduced the copycat-motive story, which the testimony of the three female defendants echoed and according to which the Tate-LaBianca murders had been Linda Kasabian's idea.^ [Manson] and Linda walked ahead in the sand [after the murder of Leno and Rosmary LaBianca].

^ How could he possibly uncover the real motive for the murders of those at the Cielo and LaBianca homes without understanding the real reason for Gary Hinman’s death?

^ Although the words written in blood at the Tate and LaBianca homes were intended to remind the cops of the Hinman murder, the authorities never made such a connection.
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[153] .In a 1997 segment of the tabloid television program Hard Copy, Share implied that her testimony had been given under a Manson threat of physical harm.^ That threat, coupled with Manson's psychological hold over her, was what caused her to retract her Grand Jury testimony.
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^ My offer was for a purchased copy of a very hard to find book that is out of print and offered by ASNIL (The Manson Archives, A.N. Productions 7210 Jordan Ave.
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^ Now out from under Manson's control, all his ex-followers admit this in seperate testimonies.
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[178] .In August 1971, after Manson's trial and sentencing, Share had participated in a violent California retail-store robbery, the object of which was the acquisition of weapons to help free Manson.^ Watson went on trial in August 1971.
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^ Como 's husband, Kenneth, was then serving a 10-year sentence at Folsom Prison for a Southern California robbery intended to get weapons to free convicted killer Charles Manson.
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^ Do you remember the story about Doug Rittenhouse pulling illegally the private residence of Catherine Share when we were in Texas, with the help of a California police officer?
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[95]
.In January 1996, a Manson web site was established by latter-day Manson follower George Stimson, who was helped by Sandra Good.^ About that time, Manson found George Spahn and conned the old man into letting him and his followers live on the Ranch.

^ Atkins claimed she and other cult followers acted on orders from Manson and were on LSD. It was Atkins who led police to arrest members of the Manson clan when she confessed to a cellmate after she had been arrested in a robbery.
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^ In an interview posted on his web site, Rice says that he visited Charlie Manson in prison and that Charlie wanted him to help him start a mass movement of Manson Followers among youth.
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.Good had been released from prison in 1985, after serving 10 years of her 15-year sentence for the death threats.^ She was sentenced to 15 years in prison and served 10.
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^ Charles "Tex" Watson Is also serving a life sentence for the Tate/LaBianca murders, and is currently housed in Mule Creek State Prison in Northern California.

^ In December 1974, when Gallant was 35 years old and serving two life terms for rape, robbery, and other charges, he and two other prisoners tried to escape from Folsom Prison.
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[170][179] The Manson website, ATWA.com, was discontinued in 2001.
.In a 1998–99 interview in Seconds magazine, Bobby Beausoleil rejected the view that Manson ordered him to kill Gary Hinman.^ Charles Manson had orchestrated the killing of Gary Hinman perfectly.

^ Bobby Beausoleil murdered Gary Hinman, on Manson’s orders.
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^ Manson and Gary Davis headed for Hinman's.
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[91] .He stated Manson did come to Hinman's house and slash Hinman with a sword.^ Beausoleil and Manson conferred, then Manson phoned their contact, musician Gary Hinman, who claimed he did not think his drugs had been bad and did not have the money to reimburse the bikers for their loss.
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^ From Charles Manson’s point of view the genius of the plan to kill Hinman was that after he was killed the house would be arranged to look like black radicals had done the murder.

^ In her own account, Atkins stated that she participated in the Hinman killing to "show him [Manson] I can be just as tough as he can."
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In a 1981 interview with Oui magazine, he denied this. .Beausoleil stated that when he read about the Tate murders in the newspaper, "I wasn't even sure at that point — really, I had no idea who had done it until Manson's group were actually arrested for it.^ This is also the time when I got a better idea of who Charles Manson really was.

^ I wasn't even sure at that point—really, I had no idea who had done it until Manson's group were actually arrested for it.
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^ I read about it in the newspapers, that's what I actually know.
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.It had only crossed my mind and I had a premonition, perhaps.^ It had only crossed my mind and I had a premonition, perhaps.
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^ That's the only                         thing he could find for a motive to throw up on top of all that                         confusion he had.There was no such thing in my mind as helter                         skelter.
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.There was some little tickle in my mind that the killings might be connected with them...."^ There was some little tickle in my mind that the killings might be connected with them, but there had been no murders before that.
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^ She had been living at Barker Ranch but wanted to leave it and said she was scared others there might try to kill her.
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^ So I tried to mind my P's and Q's and hang in there as long as I could, but I just kept getting more and more distant from myself and the kids in town.
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.In the Oui magazine interview, he had stated, "When [the Tate-LaBianca murders] happened, I knew who had done it.^ I told them what happened at the Tate and LaBianca crimes.

^ At the age of 33 Leslie was interviewed for TV. During the interview she was questioned about her responsibility for the murder of the Labiancas.

^ The broadcast will feature the first interview in 20 years with Linda Kasabian, a member of the Manson Family who served as the driver during the Tate-LaBianca murders in 1969.
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I was fairly certain."[90]
.William Garretson, once the young caretaker at Cielo Drive, indicated in a program broadcast in July 1999 on E!, that he had, in fact, seen and heard a portion of the Tate murders from his location in the property’s guest house.^ His account of the night of murder at the Tate house?
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^ On August 15, he returned for the first time since the murders to the house on Cielo Drive, accompanied by psychic Peter Hurkos.

^ Sharon Tate loved this place on Cielo Drive.

This comported with the unofficial results of the polygraph examination that had been given to Garretson on August 10, 1969, and that had effectively eliminated him as a suspect.[180] .The LAPD officer who conducted the examination had concluded Garretson was "clean" on participation in the crimes but "muddy" as to his having heard anything.^ On the other hand, the LAPD had in custody one William Garretson, the caretaker on the Tate estate who claimed that he slept through the entire bloody ordeal.

[76] Garretson did not explain why he had withheld his knowledge of the events.[115]

Recent developments

.On September 5, 2007, MSNBC aired The Mind of Manson, a complete version of a 1987 interview at California’s San Quentin State Prison.^ We did the interview standing on a tier in a part of San Quentin that had been shut down.
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^ He is currently being held in California's Corcoran State Prison.

^ Why would they be willing to follow you anywhere -- even to the gas chamber at San Quentin?” “Because I tell them the truth,” Manson replied.

.The footage of the "unshackled, unapologetic, and unruly" Manson had been considered "so unbelievable" that only seven minutes of it had originally been broadcast on The Today Show, for which it had been recorded.^ It was only over a relatively short period of time that it became what the media shows you today.

^ That was the day that I really began to understand Charles Manson the way I do today - the way I’m showing him in this book.

[181]
.In a January 2008 segment of the Discovery Channel’s Most Evil, Barbara Hoyt said that the impression that she had accompanied Ruth Ann Moorehouse to Hawaii just to avoid testifying at Manson's trial was erroneous.^ Manson is just the most obvious one.
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^ Bobby Beausoliel had also already testified, unconvincingly, at his second trial that Manson had done the killing.

^ L flew to Northern California , and found a Ruth Ann Moorehouse but it was not the right one.
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.Hoyt said she had cooperated with the Family because she was "trying to keep them from killing my family."^ I'm sitting here at work, trying to keep the tears from coming down my face.
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^ I don't have all the details, but the mother said Barbara received a threat on her life, that if she testified at this trial she would be killed and so will her family.” ( Helter Skelter , pg., 471) .

^ I said, 'if you never lie to anyone, you never have anyone to kill you because you never have given them an excuse.

.She stated that, at the time of the trial, she was "constantly being threatened: 'Your family’s gonna die.^ That it began to come out more and more often was an indicator of the things being said by the young people who began joining the Family during this time.

^ Probably write computer viruses in your spare time and think you are being creative and innovative.
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^ Bocchichio gives some sound advice to parents to keep them from being suicidal, "My best advice to parents is to spend more time with your children."
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[The murders] could be repeated at your house.'"[182]
.On March 15, 2008, Associated Press reported that forensic investigators had conducted a search for human remains at Barker Ranch the previous month.^ When the police made their three day raid on Barker Ranch, where the Family stayed, they picked up the pathetic remains of Charles Manson’s Family.

.Following up on longstanding rumors that the Family had killed hitchhikers and runaways who had come into its orbit during its time at Barker, the investigators identified "two likely clandestine grave sites...^ To show his “devotion” to the Family, Charlie packed up his things and left unceremoniously the day after Gary was killed.

^ About that time, Manson found George Spahn and conned the old man into letting him and his followers live on the Ranch.

^ Then he shamed or psyched Charles Watson into the Cielo-LaBianca killings by pointing to the “sacrifice” that he and Bobby Beausoliel had made for the Family with the Hinman murder (ostensibly to cover up Watson’s mistake with Crowe).

and one additional site that merits further investigation."[183] .Though they recommended digging, CNN reported on March 28 that the Inyo County sheriff, who questioned the methods they employed with search dogs, had ordered additional tests before any excavation.^ They define rowdy as anyone who raises his voice, questions our dear leader, or dare to speak the truth.
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^ To those in the Family who had been ordered to carry them out they were horrific, traumatic experiences that would not go away.

^ Additional precautions were taken, which, since they're probably used in protecting others, needn't be enumerated, though one might be noted.

[184] .On May 9, after a delay caused by damage to test equipment,[185] the sheriff announced that test results had been inconclusive and that "exploratory excavation" would begin on May 20.[186] In the meantime, Tex Watson had commented publicly that "no one was killed" at the desert camp during the month-and-a-half he was there, after the Tate-LaBianca murders.^ Bruce killed no one.
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^ It caused extensive damage but no injuries.
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^ No, Tex Watson was convicted of seven counts of murder.
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[187][188] .On May 21, after two days of work, the sheriff brought the search to an end; four potential gravesites had been dug up and had been found to hold no human remains.^ There are so many aspects to this case that could be dug into and a lot of truth could be brought up, a lot of understanding could be reached.

^ It was simply honest and straightforward, and contained no hint of an interest in any notoriety I may have had, which I found refreshing.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ No Straight wasn't there in those days but Straight's national clinical director showed up to see what was happening.
  • Suicide or Murder p.2 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC thestraights.com [Source type: Original source]

[189][190]
Manson at age 74: This photo was taken in March 2009.
.In March 2009, a photograph taken of a 74-year old Manson, showing a receding hairline, grizzled gray beard and hair and the swastika tattoo still prominent on his forehead, was released to the public by California corrections officials.^ Bobby was not a fourteen-year-old girl who Manson could threaten or seduce into silence.

^ Kanarek was a California lawyer who became famous years ago as Charles Manson's defense attorney.
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^ I believe the policeman may have wanted the photo to be public to show the connection to Marilyn Manson.
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[191]
.As the fortieth anniversary of the Tate-LaBianca murders approached, in July 2009, Los Angeles magazine published an "oral history", in which former Family members, law-enforcement officers, and others involved with Manson, the arrests, and the trials offered their recollections of — and observations on — the events that made Manson notorious.^ He is not related to Manson or any family member.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ Susan Atkins on the Tate-LaBianca murders was the first she had had with any law-enforcement officer.

^ Tate/LaBianca trials.
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In the article, Juan Flynn, a Spahn Ranch worker who had become associated with Manson and the Family, said:
.Charles Manson got away with everything.^ Charles Manson had everything.

^ Both Charles Manson and Mel Sembler kept kids away from their parents.
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^ Right away Charles Manson began to organize a network with which to run the Family from jail.

People will say, 'He's in jail.' But Charlie is exactly where he wants to be.[192]
.In September 2009, The History Channel broadcast a docudrama covering the Family's activities and the murders as part of its coverage on the 40th anniversary of the killings.^ This August marks the 40th anniversary of the Manson killings, which stunned the nation and effectively marked the end of the counter-culture, "flower power" era of the 1960s.
  • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

^ In related news, to mark the 40th anniversary of the Manson family murders, the History Channel will air a two-hour special titled Manson on September 7th, according to The Hollywood Reporter.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ Then he shamed or psyched Charles Watson into the Cielo-LaBianca killings by pointing to the “sacrifice” that he and Bobby Beausoliel had made for the Family with the Hinman murder (ostensibly to cover up Watson’s mistake with Crowe).

[193] .The program included an in-depth interview with Linda Kasabian, who spoke publicly for the first time since a 1989 appearance on A Current Affair, an American television news magazine.^ On August 15, he returned for the first time since the murders to the house on Cielo Drive, accompanied by psychic Peter Hurkos.

^ Linda Kasabian had traveled to Salt lake City and then onward to New York.

^ Linda Kasabian, who was standing guard at the end of the front walkway, also testified that when the crimes began she at first ran to the front door to find me and implore me to make the others stop.

[193] .Also included in the History Channel program were interviews with Vincent Bugliosi, Catherine Share, and Debra Tate, sister of Sharon.^ Years later, when he wrote his book about the crimes, Mr. Bugliosi stated he got the impression I was lying to him about this – that I had, in fact, killed Sharon Tate.

^ On November 18, 1969, 35-year-old Deputy District Attorney Vincent T. Bugliosi was assigned the Tate-LaBianca murder cases.

^ Debra Tate, the sister of the brutally murdered Sharon Tate Polanski, tearfully urged the board to deny Watson's request.

[194]
.It was announced in early 2008 that Susan Atkins was suffering from brain cancer.^ Atkins, 61, had been expected to die of brain cancer over a year ago but continues to cling to life.
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[195] .An application for compassionate release, based on her health status, was denied in July 2008,[195] and she was denied parole for the 18th and final time on September 2, 2009.[196] Atkins died of natural causes 22 days later, on September 24, 2009, at the Central California Women's facility in Chowchilla.^ Three days later Sinclair was released.
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^ September 3, 2009 Manson follower Susan Atkins is denied parole A panel votes to deny Atkins' request for release on compassionate grounds.
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^ She was denied compassionate release in July, 2008 after she was diagnosed and given only months to live.
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[197][198]
.In November 2009, a Los Angeles DJ and songwriter named Matthew Roberts released correspondence and other evidence indicating he had been biologically fathered by Manson.^ My father's name was William Manson.  .
  • mansonparole 16 September 2009 22:43 UTC www.law.umkc.edu [Source type: Original source]

^ The article, in the ever trustworthy Sun, doesn’t mention anything about DNA evidence or any other corroboration but the guy DOES look like Manson.
  • Adopted man claims Charles Manson is his father | Mutate 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC mutateweb.com [Source type: News]

^ That means you have to have at least one other piece of evidence to indicate the testimony of the defendant is truthful.

.Roberts' biological mother claims to have been a member of the Manson Family who left in the summer of 1967 after being raped by Manson; the mother returned to her parents' home to complete the pregnancy, give birth on March 22, 1968, and give up Roberts for adoption.^ He is not related to Manson or any family member.
  • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

^ To show his “devotion” to the Family, Charlie packed up his things and left unceremoniously the day after Gary was killed.

^ The same person who claims this is the same person who said in trial that Manson wrote a song called Helter Skelter.
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.Manson himself has stated that he "could" be the father, acknowledging the biological mother and a sexual relationship with her during 1967; this was nearly two years before the Family began its murderous phase.^ Manson had had over two years to threaten and pressure me.

^ He did tie up two of them, but left before the murder (to me he's just as guilty because of his involvement).
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^ Donald “Shorty” Shea had been a ranch hand at Spahn's Ranch ever since the Family moved there the year before.

[199][200]

Parole hearings

A footnote to the conclusion of California v. Anderson, the 1972 decision that neutralized California's then-current death sentences, stated:
"[A]ny prisoner now under a sentence of death ... may file a petition for writ of habeas corpus in the superior court inviting that court to modify its judgment to provide for the appropriate alternative punishment of life imprisonment or life imprisonment without possibility of parole specified by statute for the crime for which he was sentenced to death."[201]
.This made Manson eligible to apply for parole after seven years’ incarceration.^ Six or seven years ago, Charles Manson sent me love letters,' Caprice tells Now Online.
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^ My sentence was commuted to the harshest constitutional sentence California had at the time – seven-years-to-life with the possibility of parole.

^ Manson endures, even as a sixty-year old, comparatively passive prisoner, unlikely to ever be paroled.

[202] .His first parole hearing took place in 1978.[203] On May 23, 2007, he was denied parole for the eleventh time.^ I attended my first parole hearing on May 4, 1990.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ Kenneth took me down to L.A. to meet some friends of his once; it was the first time I'd ever flown on a plane.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ Charles Manson has been denied parole eleven times.  His last denial came in April 2007.  His next parole hearing is scheduled for 2012, when Manson will be 77.  The following is a transcript of his 1992 parole hearing--his eighth.
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[204]
Manson will be eligible to re-apply for parole in 2012. His inmate number at Corcoran State Prison is B33920.[205]

Manson and culture

Recordings

.On March 6, 1970, the day the court vacated Manson's status as his own attorney,[92] LIE, an album of Manson music, was released.^ He had forced each of us to fire our court-appointed attorneys and to hire attorneys who had solicited Manson.

^ I gave her a copy of some music, to help "stimulate" Catherine in remembering things from the Manson family days.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

^ If it can be found in a court of law that Manson willingly contributed to the murder of others, he and the distributors of his music could very well be held legally responsible for those deaths.
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[206][207][208] This included "Cease to Exist," a Manson composition the Beach Boys had recorded with modified lyrics and the title "Never Learn Not to Love."[209][210] Over the next couple of months, only about 300 of the album's two thousand copies sold.[211]
.Since that time, there have been several releases of Manson recordings—both musical and spoken.^ The traditional way of releasing music has always been to get a record deal, to go with an established label and take your chances with the industry as it's been set up.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

^ It is not clear that Kazmierczak was a Manson fan, but Kazmierczak is also reported to have been a fan of industrial music, like several other school shooters recently have been.
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^ In the decades since it was recorded, this soundtrack, both in context with the film and independent of it, has garnered increasing international acclaim for its emotive and visionary experience.
  • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

[212] .The Family Jams includes two compact discs of Manson's songs recorded by the Family in 1970, after Manson and the others had been arrested.^ There were two other motivations that Manson had.

^ He met Manson and the family and heard Manson's song.
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^ Immediately Manson began dictating this version of the story to the members of the Family who weren’t arrested, namely Lynette Fromme, Sandra Goode, and Catherine Share.

.Guitar and lead vocals are supplied by Steve Grogan;[121] additional vocals are supplied by Lynette Fromme, Sandra Good, Catherine Share, and others.^ The back-up cast, those who either lured Shea out behind the Ranch or helped clean up and bury him afterwards, included just about everyone not involved to this point; Catherine Share, Nancy Pitman, Sandra Good and Lynette Fromme.

^ He instructed Lynette Fromme and Sandra Good and the members of the Family still free to stir the media up with claims that the murders were symbolic acts of revenge for the destruction of the planet.

^ Immediately Manson began dictating this version of the story to the members of the Family who weren’t arrested, namely Lynette Fromme, Sandra Goode, and Catherine Share.

[212][213] .One Mind, an album of music, poetry, and spoken word, new at the time of its release, in April 2005,[212] was put out under a Creative Commons license.^ E-News/peacehistoryapril.htm) 1971 Apr 23, The Rolling Stones released their Sticky Fingers album.
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^ The most stylistically representative of these recording have been compiled for a new double CD entitled Dreamways of the Mystic, to be released on the Arcanum Entertainment label in March, 2005.
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^ It's hard to describe—it's one of those times when you just had to be there—but she was dancing and I tried to dance with her, musically.
  • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

[214][215]
American rock band Guns N’ Roses recorded Manson's "Look at Your Game, Girl," included as an unlisted thirteenth track on their 1993 album "The Spaghetti Incident?"[166][216][217] "My Monkey," which appears on Portrait of an American Family by Marilyn Manson (no relation, as is explained below), includes the lyrics "I had a little monkey/I sent him to the country and I fed him on gingerbread/Along came a choo-choo/Knocked my monkey cuckoo/And now my monkey’s dead."[218] These lyrics are from Manson’s "Mechanical Man,"[219] which is heard on LIE.
.Several of Manson's songs, including "I'm Scratching Peace Symbols on Your Tombstone" (a.k.a.^ Here is a part of the lyrics to the Manson song, “Get your Gun”.
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^ It could be a little different with Manson, because he does give fairly explicit instructions in songs like “Get your Gun” and “Lunchbox”.
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^ At the time Manson met Bobby, Bobby already had a small “family” of his own including Leslie Van Houten, Catherine Share and several other girls.

."First They Made Me Sleep in the Closet"), "Garbage Dump", and "I Can't Remember When", are featured in the soundtrack of the 1976 TV-movie Helter Skelter, where they are performed by Steve Railsback, who portrays Manson.^ They were stuck with Helter Skelter.

^ When the police made their three day raid on Barker Ranch, where the Family stayed, they picked up the pathetic remains of Charles Manson’s Family.

^ None of the young people who’d come to follow and look up to Charles Manson meant anything to him, they were all expendable.

[220]
.According to a popular urban legend, Manson unsuccessfully auditioned for the Monkees in late 1965; this is refuted by the fact that Manson was still incarcerated at McNeil Island at that time.^ Even though the whole "Charles Manson tried out for the Monkees" thing is a myth, what if Good Time Charlie had fixated on their music instead of The Beatles?
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^ Although I would say that in fact Manson was the figurehead of whatever group existed at any given time, characterizing them as his harem isn't at all accurate.
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^ DjangoStonereaver : Even though the whole "Charles Manson tried out for the Monkees" thing is a myth, what if Good Time Charlie had fixated on their music instead of The Beatles?
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[221]

Cultural reverberation

.Within months of the Tate-LaBianca arrests, Manson was embraced by underground newspapers of the 1960s counterculture from which the Family had emerged.^ Leno LaBianca was killed by the Manson Family and the word “War” carved on his chest as a sign that Manson’s apocalypse, Helter Skelter, had started.
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^ By the time the Family is arrested in the desert, a month or two in the future, there are only a dozen or so members still there out of a Family that at one time held almost forty.

^ Charles Manson and 3 women followers convicted of Tate-LaBianca murders .

[211][222] .When a Rolling Stone writer visited the Los Angeles District Attorney’s office for a June 1970 cover story,[223] he was shocked by a photograph of the bloody "Healter [sic] Skelter" that would bind Manson to popular culture.^ Newsweek quoted an unnamed Los Angeles County deputy district attorney as saying that our case against Manson was so anemic that it would be thrown out even before we went to trial.” ( Helter Skelter , pg., 257) .

^ Linda only offered to make a deal with the District Attorney’s Office after she’d been indicted.

^ The Grand Jury was held before the District Attorney’s Office had any real evidence on anyone , except for my testimony.

[224]
.Manson has been a presence in fashion,[225][226] graphics,[227][228] music,[229] and movies, as well as on television and the stage.^ If it can be found in a court of law that Manson willingly contributed to the murder of others, he and the distributors of his music could very well be held legally responsible for those deaths.
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^ He may have made his mistakes and this new song may be a mistake as well, but Marilyn Manson may be one of the only artists in popular music today.
  • Revisit the Juiciest Marilyn Manson Rumors Ever : Rolling Stone : Rock and Roll Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.rollingstone.com [Source type: General]

In an afterword composed for the 1994 edition of the non-fiction Helter Skelter, prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi quoted a BBC employee's assertion that a "neo-Manson cult" existing then in Europe was represented by, among other things, approximately 70 rock bands playing songs by Manson and "songs in support of him."[166]
Just one specimen of popular music with Manson references is Alkaline Trio’s "Sadie," whose lyrics include the phrases "Sadie G," "Ms. Susan A," and "Charlie’s broken .22."[230] "Sadie Mae Glutz" was the name by which Susan Atkins was known within the Family;[86][87] and as noted earlier, the revolver grip that shattered when Tex Watson used it to bludgeon Wojciech Frykowski was a twenty-two caliber.[94] ."Sadie’s" lyrics are followed by a spoken passage derived from Atkins’s testimony in the penalty phase of the trial of Manson and the women.^ So this was the new plan Manson unfolded for the penalty phase of the trial.

^ Toward the end of the guilt phase of the trial Manson should have realized that things weren’t going well.

^ Without my testimony they never would have been able to even indict Manson, let alone bring him to trial and convict him.

[231][232]
Manson has even influenced the names of musical performers such as Spahn Ranch, Kasabian, and Marilyn Manson, the last a stage name assembled from "Charles Manson" and "Marilyn Monroe."[233] The story of the Family's activities inspired John Moran’s opera The Manson Family and Stephen Sondheim’s musical Assassins, the latter of which has Lynette Fromme as a character.[234][235] .The tale has been the subject of several movies, including two television dramatizations of Helter Skelter.^ Though she added many details, Linda Kasabian’s story of those two nights was basically the same as Susan Atkins’.” ( Helter Skelter , pg., 344) .

^ I believe he said something about movie stars living there.” ( Helter Skelter , pg.

^ And after two years of modifying the tale, Charles Manson could tell it with dramatic effect.

[236][237] In the South Park episode Merry Christmas Charlie Manson, Manson is a comic character whose inmate number is 06660, an apparent reference to 666, the Biblical "number of the beast."[238][239]

Documentaries

  • Manson, directed by Robert Hendrickson and Laurence Merrick. .1973.[240]
  • Charles Manson Superstar, directed by Nikolas Schreck.^ Does anyone really think that Marilyn Manson is less wacko than Nikolas Schreck, his Goth predecessor and fellow collaborator with Boyd Rice?
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    ^ If you listen to what Manson and other associates like Boyd Rice and Nikolas Schreck say, they have similar ideas.
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    ^ Boyd Rice says that Charlie Manson introduced him to Nikolas Schreck by writing him about Schreck.
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    1989.[241]

References

Notes

  1. ^ Linder, Doug. The Charles Manson (Tate-LaBianca Murder) Trial. UMKC Law. 2002. Retrieved April 7, 2007.
  2. ^ Bugliosi, Vincent with Gentry, Curt. Helter Skelter — The True Story of the Manson Murders 25th Anniversary Edition, W.W. Norton & Company, 1994. ISBN 0-393-08700-X. Pages 163–4, 313.
  3. ^ "Journal of the American Society of Psychosomatic Dentistry and Medicine, 1970. 17(3):99–106". Smith, David E. and Rose, Alan J., "A Case Study of the Charles Manson Group Marriage Commune". Archived from the original on November 27, 2007. http://web.archive.org/web/20071127020405/http://charliesfamily.tripod.com/journal.html. 
  4. ^ Prosecution's closing argument Page 1 of multi-page transcript, 2violent.com. Retrieved April 16, 2007.
  5. ^ Prosecution’s closing argument Page 37 of multi-page transcript, 2violent.com. Retrieved March 28, 2009.
  6. ^ Bugliosi 1994, 238-47.
  7. ^ a b Testimony of Paul Watkins in the Charles Manson Trial UMKC Law. Retrieved April 7, 2007.
  8. ^ Prosecution's closing argument in trial of Charles Manson Trial Watch. Retrieved April 30, 2007.
  9. ^ Bugliosi 1994, 456.
  10. ^ Bugliosi 1994, 491.
  11. ^ History of California's Death Penalty deathpenalty.org. Retrieved March 28, 2009.
  12. ^ a b c d e f g Bugliosi 1994, p. 136–7.
  13. ^ Emmons, Nuel. .Manson in His Own Words.^ Manson, in his own words , pg.

    ^ On occasion we have also referenced things Manson himself told the writer of the book Manson, In His Own Words , which was published around 1980.

    ^ Fear and intimidation control most prostitutes...” ( Manson, in his own words , pg.

    Grove Press, New York; 1988. ISBN 0-8021-3024-0. Page 28. (If link does not go directly to page 28, scroll to it; "no name Maddox" is highlighted.)
  14. ^ a b c Smith, Dave. Mother Tells Life of Manson as Boy. 1971 article. Retrieved June 5, 2007.
  15. ^ Reitwiesner, William Addams. Provisional ancestry of Charles Manson.. Retrieved April 26, 2007.
  16. ^ a b Photocopy of Manson birth certificate MansonDirect.com. Retrieved April 26, 2007. The certificate's final box, for the date on which the name was given, is blank.
  17. ^ Bugliosi 1994, 136-37. By the time of the judgment, Manson was using his stepfather's surname.
  18. ^ Emmons, Nuel. .Manson in His Own Words.^ Manson, in his own words , pg.

    ^ On occasion we have also referenced things Manson himself told the writer of the book Manson, In His Own Words , which was published around 1980.

    ^ Fear and intimidation control most prostitutes...” ( Manson, in his own words , pg.

    Grove Press, New York; 1988. ISBN 0-8021-3024-0. Pages 28-29. The description is in a paragraph that indicates Kathleen Maddox gave birth to Manson "while living in Cincinnati," after she had run away from her own home, in Ashland, Kentucky. It is not clear which, if either, of those two cities the dam was near.
  19. ^ Emmons 1988, 28-29.
  20. ^ Bugliosi, Vincent. Helter Skelter, 1974, pg555, Murder in the Wind
  21. ^ Bugliosi, Vincent. Helter Skelter, 1974, pg556, Murder in the Wind
  22. ^ Bugliosi, Vincent. Helter Skelter, 1974, pg588, Fires in Your Cities
  23. ^ Emmons 1988, 29.
  24. ^ a b c d e Emmons, Nuel. .Manson in His Own Words.^ Manson, in his own words , pg.

    ^ On occasion we have also referenced things Manson himself told the writer of the book Manson, In His Own Words , which was published around 1980.

    ^ Fear and intimidation control most prostitutes...” ( Manson, in his own words , pg.

    Grove Press, New York; 1988. ISBN 0-8021-3024-0
  25. ^ Emmons 1988, 36.
  26. ^ Emmons 1988, 37.
  27. ^ Bugliosi 1994, 137.
  28. ^ Emmons 1988, 37-38.
  29. ^ Emmons 1988, 38.
  30. ^ Bugliosi 1994, 137.
  31. ^ Sanders 2002, 431-33.
  32. ^ Sanders 2002, 431-33.
  33. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u Bugliosi, p. 137–146
  34. ^ Emmons 1988, 39.
  35. ^ Emmons 1988, 40-45.
  36. ^ Emmons 1988, 69.
  37. ^ Emmons 1988, 69.
  38. ^ Emmons 1988, 69.
  39. ^ Bugliosi 1994, 144.
  40. ^ Bugliosi 1994, 144-45.
  41. ^ Bugliosi, Vincent; Gentry, Curt (2001). Helter Skelter. W. W. Norton & Co.. p. 610. ISBN 0393322231. 
  42. ^ Emmons, Nuel. .Manson in His Own Words.^ Manson, in his own words , pg.

    ^ On occasion we have also referenced things Manson himself told the writer of the book Manson, In His Own Words , which was published around 1980.

    ^ Fear and intimidation control most prostitutes...” ( Manson, in his own words , pg.

    Grove Press, New York; 1988. ISBN 0-8021-3024-0. Page 70.
  43. ^ Sanders 2002, 11.
  44. ^ Emmons, Nuel. .Manson in His Own Words.^ Manson, in his own words , pg.

    ^ On occasion we have also referenced things Manson himself told the writer of the book Manson, In His Own Words , which was published around 1980.

    ^ Fear and intimidation control most prostitutes...” ( Manson, in his own words , pg.

    Grove Press, New York; 1988. ISBN 0-8021-3024-0. Page 72.
  45. ^ Karpis, Alvin, with Robert Livesey. On the Rock: Twenty-five Years at Alcatraz, 1980
  46. ^ a b c d e Bugliosi, 1994. pp. 163–174
  47. ^ Bugliosi 1994, 144, 163–64.
  48. ^ Sanders, Ed. The Family. Thunder's Mouth Press, New York, 2002. ISBN 1-56025-396-7. Pages 13–20.
  49. ^ a b c d e f Bugliosi 1994. pp. 250–253.
  50. ^ a b Sanders 2002, p. 34.
  51. ^ a b Watkins, Paul with Soledad, Guillermo. My Life with Charles Manson, Bantam, 1979. ISBN 0-553-12788-8. Chapter 4.
  52. ^ a b c d e Bugliosi 1994. 155–161.
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  54. ^ a b Bugliosi 1994. 214–219.
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Works cited

  • Atkins, Susan with Bob Slosser. .Child of Satan, Child of God.^ They still considered us a bunch of antiestablishment young people seeking a better world.” ( Child of Satan, Child of God , pg.

    ^ Child of Satan, Child of God , pg.

    ^ Lastly, we have occasionally cited Susan’s own book, Child of Satan, Child of God .

    Logos International; Plainfield, New Jersey; 1977. ISBN 0-88270-276-9.
  • Bugliosi, Vincent with Curt Gentry. .Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders.^ She said ...that she had testified to it under his [Manson’s] explicit direction.” ( Helter Skelter , AFTERWORD, pg.

    ^ The same person who claims this is the same person who said in trial that Manson wrote a song called Helter Skelter.
    • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

    ^ I think the most decisive blow to the contention that Helter Skelter was the true motive for the killings was the fact Charles Manson told these men he had just killed a Panther and he needed money to split to the desert and he needed it now !

    .(Norton, 1974; Arrow books, 1992 edition, ISBN 0-09-997500-9; W. W. Norton & Company, 2001, ISBN 0-393-32223-8)
  • Emmons, Nuel, as told to.^ Manson in His Own Words by Charles Manson (Author), Nuel Emmons (Contributor) ISBN 0802130240 is (what I believe to be) a more accurate summary of the original events.
    • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

    .Manson in His Own Words.^ Manson, in his own words , pg.

    ^ On occasion we have also referenced things Manson himself told the writer of the book Manson, In His Own Words , which was published around 1980.

    ^ Fear and intimidation control most prostitutes...” ( Manson, in his own words , pg.

    .Grove Press, 1988. ISBN 0-8021-3024-0.
  • Sanders, Ed The Family.^ If you really want to know more about the relationship with the Manson Family, read the book, “The Family” by Ed Sanders in the bibliography.
    • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

    Thunder's Mouth Press. rev. update edition 2002. ISBN 1-56025-396-7.
  • Watkins, Paul with Guillermo Soledad. .My Life with Charles Manson.^ Unlike the reader, or the people who seem to think Charles Manson was cool, I can’t think about it for an hour or so and then go on with my life.

    ^ In 1967, Charles Manson was released into Los Angeles after spending the last seven years of his life in federal prison.

    ^ Through his minions, and then later in person, Charles Manson told me it would be “better for everyone,” including myself and my son if I recanted my Grand Jury testimony.

    Bantam, 1979. ISBN 0-553-12788-8.
  • Watson, Charles. Will you die for me?. F. H. Revell, 1978. ISBN 0-8007-0912-8.

Further reading

  • George, Edward and Dary Matera. .Taming the Beast: Charles Manson's Life Behind Bars.^ I've been collecting video footage for a project, and I'm calling it Life in a World Behind Bars.
    • mmsecondsint 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC www.beausoleil.net [Source type: Original source]

    ^ Although many life-term prisoners havecome and gone from behind bars while Atkins has been incarcerated, none of the Manson killers has been paroled.
    • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

    ^ Unlike the reader, or the people who seem to think Charles Manson was cool, I can’t think about it for an hour or so and then go on with my life.

    St. Martin's Press, 1999. ISBN 0-312-20970-3.
  • Gilmore, John. .Manson: The Unholy Trail of Charlie and the Family.^ The members of the Manson family allowed themselves to be used by Charlie.
    • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

    ^ Charlie Manson also considered himself an artist, a musician, who used his music to help attract his “family” of believers… .
    • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

    ^ There were many people in these groups that were friends of the Manson Family then and a similar group of people that still have a fascination for Charlie Manson and his philosophy still exists today.
    • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

    Amok Books, 2000. ISBN 1-878923-13-7.
  • Gilmore, John. The Garbage People. Omega Press, 1971.
  • LeBlanc, Jerry and Ivor Davis. 5 to Die. .Holloway House Publishing, 1971. ISBN 0-87067-306-8.
  • Pellowski, Michael J. The Charles Manson Murder Trial: A Headline Court Case.^ By Denise Nix Staff writer Daily Breeze He was a key prosecutor in the Charles Manson family murder trials.
    • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

    ^ [Editor’s Note: Bernard Crowe was not murdered, but Charles Manson didn't know this until after the beginning of the trial.

    ^ (AP, 8/24/01) 1971 Aug 27, Bennett Cerf (b.1898), publisher and co-founder of Random House, died.
    • Timeline 1971 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC timelines.ws [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

    Enslow Publishers, 2004. ISBN 0-7660-2167-X.
  • Rowlett, Curt. .Labyrinth13: True Tales of the Occult, Crime & Conspiracy, Chapter 10, Charles Manson, Son of Sam and the Process Church of the Final Judgment: Exploring the Alleged Connections.^ (It seems unlikely that, ten years after the fact, Charles Manson’s memory of the crimes would touch on the very same several moments that Susan or Charles Watson’s memory did.

    ^ Also, MM is uniting opposites in his name, which is probably an allusion to the principle of the satanic Process Church of the Final Judgement, whose theory was to unite opposites (good and evil, Satan and Jesus) .
    • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

    ^ Juanita donated over $10,000 and her van, turning it all over to Charles Manson.

    Lulu Press, 2006. ISBN 1-4116-6083-8.
  • Schreck, Nikolas. The Manson File Amok Press. 1988. ISBN 0-941693-04-X.
  • Udo, Tommy. .Charles Manson: Music, Mayhem, Murder.^ By Denise Nix Staff writer Daily Breeze He was a key prosecutor in the Charles Manson family murder trials.
    • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

    ^ [Editor’s Note: Bernard Crowe was not murdered, but Charles Manson didn't know this until after the beginning of the trial.

    ^ He shamed Bobby Beausoliel into committing the Hinman murder by pointing out that he, Charles Manson, had already shot Bernard Crowe (ostensibly for the Family).

    Sanctuary Records, 2002. ISBN 1-86074-388-9.

External links

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  • Art by Charles Manson
  • Bardsley, Marilyn.^ Himmler, Hitler, Goebbels, Goering, Charles Manson, Marilyn Manson?!!
    • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

    ^ However the “make-believe” Marilyn Manson also has several real, if indirect, connections to the real mass murderer, Charles Manson via close personal associates.
    • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

    ^ So, we have to notice that Rice’s protégé Marilyn Manson is named after Charlie Manson and is promoting many elements of the Charles Manson Philosophy in the media on a grand scale.
    • Marilyn Manson’s Satanic Nazism « Dancing with Nazis 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC raumfahrer.wordpress.com [Source type: General]

    .Crime Library - Charles Manson.^ I wrote them back explaining that nothing that happened back when I was with Charles Manson was “cool.” Not the drug use, not the physical abuse, and certainly not the crimes.

    ^ This is a fundamental difference between Charles Manson and all the other co-defendants related to these crimes.

    ^ As thirty-five years come and go, in some circles it is actually debated whether Charles Manson participated in the crimes at all.

    Crime Library. Courtroom Television Network, LLC. April 7, 2006.
  • Dalton, David. If Christ Came Back as a Con Man. .1998 article by coauthor of 1970 Rolling Stone story on Manson.^ Revisit the Juiciest Marilyn Manson Rumors Ever : Rolling Stone : Rock and Roll Daily Rolling Stone ALL .
    • Revisit the Juiciest Marilyn Manson Rumors Ever : Rolling Stone : Rock and Roll Daily 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.rollingstone.com [Source type: General]

    gadflyonline.com
  • Noe, Denise. ."The Manson Myth" CrimeMagazine.com December 2004
  • Prosecution's closing argument in trial of Charles Manson 2Violent.com
  • Horrific past haunts former cult members San Francisco Chronicle August 12, 2009
  • Linder, Douglas.^ [Editor’s Note: Bernard Crowe was not murdered, but Charles Manson didn't know this until after the beginning of the trial.

    ^ Manson got a gun and took one of the early members of the Family, a young man named T.J. Walleman, and he went down into the San Fernando Valley .

    ^ None-the-less, there has been some evidence in the past years that even he is starting to accept that Helter Skelter was only a con to get people to do what Charles Manson wanted them to do.

    .Famous Trials - The Trial of Charles Manson.^ [Editor’s Note: Bernard Crowe was not murdered, but Charles Manson didn't know this until after the beginning of the trial.

    ^ By Denise Nix Staff writer Daily Breeze He was a key prosecutor in the Charles Manson family murder trials.
    • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2007 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

    ^ Kanarek was a California lawyer who became famous years ago as Charles Manson's defense attorney.
    • Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: January 2006 16 September 2009 13:55 UTC tatelabianca.blogspot.com [Source type: Original source]

    University of Missouri at Kansas City Law School. .2002.
  • Decision in appeal by Manson from Hinman-Shea conviction People v.^ Of all the Manson people convicted of murder, who is the only one who has been released, and has not since run afoul of the law?
    • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

    ^ "Manson was also convicted of the earlier murder of musician Gary Hinman in his Topanga Canyon home, and the slaying of former stuntman Donald "Shorty" Shea at the Spahn movie ranch in Chatsworth, where Manson had his commune."
    • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

    ^ As for Manson, he was tried and convicted for the murder of Gary Hinman and received an additional death sentence.

    Manson
    , 71 Cal. App. .3d 1 (California Court of Appeal, Second District, Division One, June 23, 1977)
  • Decision in appeal by Manson, Atkins, Krenwinkel, and Van Houten from Tate-LaBianca convictions People v.^ And he had properly decided that his client was not Charles Manson but Leslie Van Houten.

    ^ Of all the Manson people convicted of murder, who is the only one who has been released, and has not since run afoul of the law?
    • FARK.com: (4276566) Ever wonder what America's favorite nutball, Charles Manson, is looking like these days? Here's a prison photo taken yesterday 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.fark.com [Source type: Original source]

    ^ She stands convicted of the seven Tate-LaBianca murders, one of the most notorious mass murders in California history.
    • Charles Manson - The Family [Archive] - The Black Hole -//- Universal Community 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC blackhole.xerces.com [Source type: General]

    Manson
    , 61 Cal. App. 3d 102 (California Court of Appeal, Second District, Division One, August 13, 1976)

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.Charles Milles Manson (born 12 November 1934) is a convict who led the "Manson Family," a quasi-commune that arose in the U.S. state of California in the later 1960s.^ The Manson family is the story of Charles Manson's followers.
  • The Manson Family - Movie Reviews, Photos & Videos, Layouts & Wallpapers, Fan Club 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC www.flixster.com [Source type: FILTERED WITH BAYES]

^ CHARLES MANSON AND THE MANSON FAMILY CHARLES MANSON & THE MANSON FAMILY : Charles Milles Manson (born November 12, 1934) was convicted of murder in what became known as the Tate/La Bianca case, after the names of the JESSICA SEINFELD .
  • MANSON FAMILY 15 September 2009 4:59 UTC nutriweb.org.my [Source type: General]

^ C harles M illes M anson was born on November 12, 1934.

.He was found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder in the cases which became known as the Tate-LaBianca murders, which members of the group carried out at his instruction.^ Leslie was found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and two counts of murder in the fist degree.

^ Manson got them to carry out mass murders.
  • Charles Manson follower ends her silence 40 years after night of slaughter | World news | The Observer 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.guardian.co.uk [Source type: News]
  • Charles Manson follower ends her silence - Mail & Guardian Online: The smart news source 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC www.mg.co.za [Source type: General]

^ He was found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder in the cases which became known as the Tate - LaBianca murders, which members of the group carried out at his instruction.
  • Charles Manson - Wikiquote 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC en.wikiquote.org [Source type: Original source]
  • Charles Manson - Wikiquote 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC en.wikiquote.org [Source type: Original source]

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  • Anything you see in me is in you.^ Anything you see in me is in you.
    • Charles Manson - Wikiquote 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC en.wikiquote.org [Source type: Original source]
    • Charles Manson - Wikiquote 19 January 2010 9:49 UTC en.wikiquote.org [Source type: Original source]

    ^ Anything you see in me is in you….
    • The American Meaning of Charley Manson « The Manson “Family” Blog 3 February 2010 18:17 UTC fromspahnranch.wordpress.com [Source type: Original source]

    ^ It was just like Charlie had told us, "Anything you see in me is in you.

    .If you want to see a vicious killer, that's who you'll see, do you understand that?^&nbs